Quick suggestion before you put that juggernaut away forever: try it for forehand rollers. Often when you get a blunt-nosed super OS disc, you can snap them down pretty much vertical on a forehand roller and they will just go dead straight until they slow down. Takes the need for estimated cut angle completed out of the equation. You just lay it down standing straight up and it goes. Might work well with that monstrosity.
@@dockslinger3187 I do it with an Innova star Monster. Every time I do it I can hear my cardmates say that it's not enough cut, and then the disbelief kicks in as that thing just goes laser beam straight the whole way, followed by the inevitable "hey what did you throw there?"
FYI - Those TD's are so money on longer holes at elevation up here in CO. Fan grip on a little hyzer and they GO! They're actually pretty tricky to find right now.
i really long to see more reviews over 15 minutes of the discraft z flick. if you want to compare the juggernaut to the flick in an ‘’overstable showdown’’, i would love to watch it!
I throw a nuke os forehand quite a bit for shots I need to flex hard, or dog legs that go right. I've got a pretty string forehand though. The only time I've ever thrown it backhand was in a 25 mph headwind. Great disc for specific wooded shots though!
Juggernaut reminds me of the Millennium Tachyon 4.1, which was the most overstable disc ever made when it came out. Very deep rim and very thick nose like that Juggy, just more like an 8 or 9 speed by today's standards.
That TD lookes like a disc for me when they come out with the new version, unless ya'll know what mold Innova have comparable? Since that oldie is theirs and they have used several molds already since DM left. ;D
Byt positive number they want to tell that it doesn't want to fly even straight but starts to fade almost as soon as you throw it and disc don't want to stay in anhyzer angle at all. Having 0 means that disc doesn't turn over but flies straight for some time, but +1 doesn't want to fly straight. I suppose that is what they try to tell with it. Many thinks that high fade number that disc fades farther to the left or right, but high fade number means that disc wants to come down fast and doesn't move much sideways.
I made the mistake of buying a Jeremy Koling halo boss last year (supposedly a "workable" boss for lower arm speeds). It's an absolute meat hook, more overstable than my champion firebird.
You have a strange Octane. Normally those are a lot less stable than Juggernaut. For example Simon doesn't like those because those flip over too much. If you throw 250 ft, then normal Octane is very overstable.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 Yeah I thought it would be a destroyer type disc but it more like a tilt lol , I do get my fission photon out to 350ft on average but my os driver is a anax and I can get it to flip up a little and push it out to 300ft on a flex line.
Excited for the new DM PD2 next year! But you should try out a Axiom Panic! That’s my go to wind fighter when I know my Destroyer won’t cut it. Also DM is bringing back the TD in a new mold next year!
Wait, you haven't heard of the STD? I guess DM realized what they'd done before you started playing. Nice disc though. EDIT: I would be interested to see how the Westside Adder compares.
My 2020 heimburg destroyer is more overstable than any 2021 that ive thrown, but on a forehand it still gets a little turn from flat and flies like 475 pretty easily and like 525 on perfect drives. Moral of the story, they probably fly better with forehands.
Quick suggestion before you put that juggernaut away forever: try it for forehand rollers. Often when you get a blunt-nosed super OS disc, you can snap them down pretty much vertical on a forehand roller and they will just go dead straight until they slow down. Takes the need for estimated cut angle completed out of the equation. You just lay it down standing straight up and it goes. Might work well with that monstrosity.
My cousin throws a splice like that
@@dockslinger3187 I do it with an Innova star Monster. Every time I do it I can hear my cardmates say that it's not enough cut, and then the disbelief kicks in as that thing just goes laser beam straight the whole way, followed by the inevitable "hey what did you throw there?"
literally all i did throwing the venom i found recently, Venoommm!
FYI - Those TD's are so money on longer holes at elevation up here in CO. Fan grip on a little hyzer and they GO! They're actually pretty tricky to find right now.
That td is worth some money. Hopefully it has a name on it
I feel like you got the most neutral/understable Venom I've seen yet. I throw a First Run in ESP and it is SO beefy.
I have 7 Innova Apes that's my go to. Primarily forehand. The discs you're throwing here are for forehand power throwers.
You gotta try a K1 Rask sometime
i really long to see more reviews over 15 minutes of the discraft z flick. if you want to compare the juggernaut to the flick in an ‘’overstable showdown’’, i would love to watch it!
I bag a couple of Ricky lucid enforcers, that's about as OS as I'm willing to get. They're not as beef as the numbers suggest.
Lat64 Stiletto
just bought one of these lets go
try out Westside discs Warhorse. It's easily my most overstable disc.
I have a stiletto for the 40-50 mph headwinds. Nothing else will eat wind like that. I wonder how the juggernaut compares.
I throw a nuke os forehand quite a bit for shots I need to flex hard, or dog legs that go right. I've got a pretty string forehand though. The only time I've ever thrown it backhand was in a 25 mph headwind. Great disc for specific wooded shots though!
Juggernaut reminds me of the Millennium Tachyon 4.1, which was the most overstable disc ever made when it came out. Very deep rim and very thick nose like that Juggy, just more like an 8 or 9 speed by today's standards.
I barely have the arm speed for a berg but i bag 3 tilts and 2 raptors
3 tilts is insane lol
So you are saying I need to throw a juggernaut in place of my dx leopard.?
No!!!!!!! 3:11
That TD lookes like a disc for me when they come out with the new version, unless ya'll know what mold Innova have comparable? Since that oldie is theirs and they have used several molds already since DM left. ;D
Get an Innova Beast. Same thing.
You should try a Westside discs Nikko Lacastro Tornamanet-X Adder ....its beefy 😅
I found a stiletto one time and I think it may have been the beefiest disc I've tried, threw it once and returned it lol
MVP Energy and Limit are both ABSURDLY overstable
it seems, you hit your forehand puts more easy. 🧐😄
Stiletto?
Did you happen to find my purple scorch on 17? Lol😅
Out of curiosity, why is the turn positive instead of 0 with a higher fade number?
Byt positive number they want to tell that it doesn't want to fly even straight but starts to fade almost as soon as you throw it and disc don't want to stay in anhyzer angle at all. Having 0 means that disc doesn't turn over but flies straight for some time, but +1 doesn't want to fly straight. I suppose that is what they try to tell with it.
Many thinks that high fade number that disc fades farther to the left or right, but high fade number means that disc wants to come down fast and doesn't move much sideways.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 Appreciate the information.
Been playing for a couple years now and still can't throw high speeds. Makes me feel old and/or uncoordinated.
I can proudly say that my first distance driver was a astronaut
Discraft should have sent Flick instead of Venom. I guess they wanted to send something that actually flies.
I made the mistake of buying a Jeremy Koling halo boss last year (supposedly a "workable" boss for lower arm speeds). It's an absolute meat hook, more overstable than my champion firebird.
You have to be able to throw the speed of the disc
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What about the stiletto makes a juggernaut look like a roller
Or Discraft's Flick.
The adder is wildly Overstable also
PD2 doesn’t get enough love 😢 Anthony always be sleeping on Discmania and it’s the best brand
But… he bags multiple Discmania discs AND featured the Cd1 yesterday.
>best brand
>recycles old molds from other manufacturers
>doesn't make own discs
Let’s not forget that innova owns the pd2 mold
Pd2s are super hard to find rn
@@calebdyer6332innova elixir is the same disc just buy those
I have a mvp octane that is the same stable as that juggernaut and idk why lol
You have a strange Octane. Normally those are a lot less stable than Juggernaut. For example Simon doesn't like those because those flip over too much.
If you throw 250 ft, then normal Octane is very overstable.
@@kimmomatikainen1843 Yeah I thought it would be a destroyer type disc but it more like a tilt lol , I do get my fission photon out to 350ft on average but my os driver is a anax and I can get it to flip up a little and push it out to 300ft on a flex line.
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Excited for the new DM PD2 next year! But you should try out a Axiom Panic! That’s my go to wind fighter when I know my Destroyer won’t cut it.
Also DM is bringing back the TD in a new mold next year!
Innova APE .. pure meat hook
SHame the TD you found was D-Line, if it was in Star plastic you would have found an STD!
Legacy rampage
Wait, you haven't heard of the STD? I guess DM realized what they'd done before you started playing. Nice disc though.
EDIT: I would be interested to see how the Westside Adder compares.
My 2020 heimburg destroyer is more overstable than any 2021 that ive thrown, but on a forehand it still gets a little turn from flat and flies like 475 pretty easily and like 525 on perfect drives. Moral of the story, they probably fly better with forehands.
Enforcer? It's crazy to see Ricky use them for turnover shots but new they are super overstable
Try an innova star excaliber. Pure meat
XCal at least flies a bit and is not like Flick, Stiletto and some others that are way more stable than XCal. XCal is meat, but some are just rocks.
Sure wish it was windier!!
12 speed firebird, on steroids
Try out a Lonestar Glow Tombstone if you want serious beef. Very close to a tilt. I have a halo Juggernaut too, and yes it's absurdly OS.
Glow Tombstone is certified beef and a great forehand roller.
My glow tombstone is super beat up not anywhere beef as it used to be. 😢
Try a Discmania TD2 it 10 5 -4 1 crazy flip! Nice for stand still touch or patten pending stretch shots.
Let’s go
Rask
I have a juggernaut, its a very weird throw. i wanted a longer firebird and saw that disc and had to get it because of its name.
I only throw mine on forehand. after throwing it for a while its turned into a firebird. just a bit more over stable, super reliable
yea ive noticed its stupid over stable and reliable. its a fun 1 to use and see how far it fades back
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Venom is an absolute pig that flies more like an 11 speed rather than 13....