Appreciate DL taking accountability for his past actions instead of saying ‘others’ were the problem. Allowing people to grow and change their views is part of life, seems like that’s left out of the discussion way to much nowadays
Biodaddy memes were real.. wow. Glad he is happier now. Back on TSM DL said Bio had more fangirls than any of them and he was not quite comfortable with it... makes sense now.
Well put, accountability is a big thing and I appreciate DL owning up to his actions and admitting he made a mistake. The community should learn just like DL has and accept everyone
I dont even understand Why he is apologizing, like these are normal questions. How is this toxic in any way, i mean sure Maybe he did feel uncomfortable but thats on him then.
@@okCool51 he asked those questions in an environment where people joked a lot about being gay and shit like that. In a perfectly welcoming environment where being gay is acceptable, asking those questions are completely valid, but if you're in environment where people may say slurs or "that's so gay dude", you're not allowing someone like bio to be truthful when answering said questions.
@@okCool51 It's called be considerate. Yes it's obvious these are innoncent questions but it's also nice to let the person know that you didn't mean to make them feel uncomofortable and you apologize for that. Nothing wrong with being apologetic for your past behavior regardless if you were aware or not
@@okCool51 You're not Peter or Vincent, you can't speak on their behalf. If he did or didn't want to apologize, that's on him. Making someone uncomfortable is definitely a reason to apologize to someone though. If someone isn't comfortable answering a question or being around certain things/you then don't push the issue or THAT'S ON YOU. Come on, it's common sense. Respect others if you want respect.
Really impressed with Bio but also with DL for being so self-critical and reflect on his words and actions of the past. A lot of people would think that they did nothing wrong if they didn’t use slurs, but as Bio said, oftentimes it is just about creating a certain atmosphere.
He’s has been nothing but a problem since he’s retired someone needs to put doublelift in check. From constantly flaming everyone ever, and normalizing being rude, the only thing he’s done right is put TSM into light for being cruel. Double has a lot to attest for too. I’m not impressed, he’s doing what everyone should be doing, respecting LGBTQ community. Edit: i have nothing against people righting their wrongs . I just don’t think creating a trash talk podcast and being a pessimist is the way to fix other players/orgs. I’ve followed double since CLG and find a lot of his content funny (i mean I’m following his “more doublelift youtube”) but the way he’s talked about other pros/lcs since his retirement is not it.
@@hesaphantom6862 "What everyone SHOULD be doing" SHOULD is the key word here man. Should =/= IS. I would say the fact that DL is taking accountability of his past actions is better than most people already. Like you said, he is doing what everyone SHOULD be doing. Implying that not EVERYONE DOES IT, not everyone admits their wrongdoings because of their ego and pride. I respect DL for admitting his questionable past actions and reflecting himself upon it. Especially with someone who is kinda cocky and big ego as him take action is pretty admirable, just goes to show DL's development. But if you hate him you hate him I can't do anything about that
Brings a whole new meaning to Biodaddy! Nothing but love for Bio. Hope he has a good circle around him to remind him that he's just another person who deserves love and friends who build him up.
I love Biofrost and I always will. This doesn't change in any way how I view or see Biofrost, He is such a nice, caring and amazing human! Good luck to him and I know the community will accept him for who he is!
@@Teddy-se8qb obviously not, but from the your comment it seems like you are trying to use "gay" as an insult, but it's not working, ur just stating the obvious
really proud of biofrost but i just gained a lot of respect for doublelift. for him to take accountability for past actions especially with such a big following and fear of repercussion takes a good man
Biofrost for me is the kindest player. I was happy for him that he made it back on pro play and now I am more happy for him to express his self to the whole community. what a Chad, is Chad the correct term lol idk
Im personally not a fan of DL, but for real, this is really nice to hear. Im really proud if Bio for coming out, and the way he stated everything was soo eloquent and well thought out. I can only imagine there are probably people who have made him feel uncomfortable now praising him for coming out, without apologizing to him. Im really impressed by DL for owning his shit and being a good friend.
You do realize he was considered straight when the homophobia occurred? I'm pretty sure he won't receive much of it anymore now that he came out as gay... He will receive some backlash in comments but most of them will be from Marxist people that will want to trigger other brainwashed Marxists on how anti gay is the society they live in. No normal people will bother him unless they deplly religious or just not from the West.
holy shit a streamer took accountability for past actions, world is ending we are all doomed. meme aside this is the best response ive seen and i love seeing the accountability
Let's be honest. Any LCS fan that doesn't like Vincent, whether or not he's openly gay, just has bad taste. And if your opinion of him changes negatively when you find out he's gay, you're probably an asshole. Dude is a complete sweetheart, as everybody who's ever played on a team with him agrees, and he deserves to be accepted for who he is. There are probably a fair few more LGBTQ+ people hiding within the pro League scene, and they too deserve to be allowed to be themselves without fear, so let's show them by example that we don't shun people for their differences.
@@hanson2331 i guess i've never really been an org fan, my favourite players were bjergsen and doublelift ever since i got into the league scene, so those tsm days kind of fell into place perfectly for me. the personalities of the rest of the team also made it so easy to support tsm as a whole, i'll always treasure those memories :)
Maybe it’s just cuz I’m a lil 💅🏼 myself, but seeing doublelift, a Cis-straight male, not only take accountability for what he had done, but to also encourage others to love and support bio and every other individual apart of the community and he’s genuinely (seemingly) so appreciative of his relationship with bio. It’s just nice to see that, especially in the gaming community.
Doublelift has always been pro lgbtq. My dear friend ex league pro Maria aka remi (rest in peace) always said that of the pro players she interacted with doublelift was always one of the kindest and most supportive. I’ll always be thankful to him for that. I love you maria.
She fully deserved to play in LCS she earnt her spot fair and square through relegations. To date shes the only female pro player at least in the major regions.
@@mechboltxl4591 Yeah cause he's stupid enough to know that this second-worth clout's consequences include loss of his already few fanbase, more damage to his mental, physical security, being prone to lesser pay and value etc. Speaking of relevance, you up there buddy?
its great to hear doublelift admit he probably created an unsafe environment for bio to come out, glad that they've both grown past that now, and i hope bio continues to live his truth
So happy to hear your mature comments. Please keep this kind of thing in your mind and heart as you talk to people in the industry tomorrow, next week, next year and beyond
So proud of vincent. Its a huge step for this community and i hope people stay civilised and dont treat him different. DL u got my biggest respect for admitting your mistake and apologising. Too many people how too much ego to admit they were wrong !
@@mechboltxl4591 troll, give it up kid. Bios a great fella and that’s all that should matter! What difference does his sexual preference make? Absolutely none, I support good people, therefore bio will always have my support.
@@mechboltxl4591 so true bestie we should instead remove any group from society that has members that commit any sort of crime. Just put the whole country behind bars actually while we're at it, right? 🤦🤦🤦
Remember when Doublelift suprised vincent with an egirl in voice comm? Vincent wasn't ready to come out so he had to act along the whole time? Image how how awkward and scared vincent must have felt at the time. I'm not blaming doublelift or anything because he had no idea and had no malicious intent... in his mind, he is probably thinking he is helping Vincent to get a girl.
Good for doublelift for supporting his friend. Dont agree with the 1/100 person being homophobic in the gaming community, the number is definitely way higher than that, but i get what he was trying to say.
naw theres definetely a lot of people who say things like thats gay or whatever but only like 1/100 or less actually say from a homophobic viewpoint. Unfortunately gay and fag just became synonymy's with bad or some negative connotation but almost no one who says it is referring to actual gay people at all. But obviously if ur gay and hear that shit its definitely gonna feel that way. Just unfortunate, but over time i think more and more people are realizing that using those words can hurt people without you realizing and using them less, gonna be a while before thats the mainstream in the gaming community tho.
@@karljones7976 I don't think people should stop using words because they're afraid of offending somebody that they don't know. Can't really hate on people for that the use of the word should not be removed it would be similar to calling someone a "bitch", or "retard", stupid, but there is no hate or malice behind it. At that point you might as well not use any words because it can offend someone. Let somebody know and most people will accept and be respectful to you. No need to remove the word or sayings out of a community because of offending people that is not within peoples knowledge.
@@PureGaming1845its not about not trying to offend someone its about not putting your own convenience over other peoples feelings. Like im not saying that people shouldnt be able to say it im just saying that it is objectively wrong to do so in a public setting. Im all for free speech but just cuase you want to call someone a fag or retard doesn't mean its right. Not that im judging cause i love those words and dont use them to put down actual people with mental disabilities or gay people but if im being honest with myself there is no need to use them and I would be a better person not to do so in a public setting. Again not to not offend someone or because my speech should be limited, just so i can become a better person and care about others more, but yea its hard cause those words are so engrained in our culture
@mcchickenz yea americans are very sensitive in general when it comes to insults and anything like that which is really stupid but its how it is here, as much as I don't like it is is the reality, like I wouldn't say we have tons of flamboyant gay people who are just extra sensitive its really just the whole culture in general. Its a recent thing though cod lobbies back in the day were brutal
Does anyone remember that TSM House Tour Vid where DBL was the host? Remember when he got to Vincent's room? That particular exchange between the 2 was really awkward. Looks like Vincent was really uncomfortable & now I know why. Could only struggling wanting to be yourself but couldn't.
He is so damm brave, it so freaking hard to admit it and it might be even harder for him has a public figure in such a toxic environment. He have all my respect
All the people in chat acting like Bio is the first openly LGBTQ player in the LCS completely forgetting Remi, the trans girl that played support for Renegades half a decade ago.
@@david15136 Which is also uncool of LS to do. As a gay guy, LS should know better than to tease, hint, or joke like that about someone else that isn't open to everyone. If Danny is, then it is his story to tell, not LS.
@@david15136 Being black is a visible thing. Being gay isn't. There's a difference there. Nobody "comes out as black" because it's a thing that can't be kept secret. People come out as gay because it's something often invisible. By teasing Danny like that it just creates an awkward situation of making him feel like he's forced to come out earlier or that people are making assumptions about him. It is Danny's choice alone to come our or not, and LS shouldn't try to force it either way.
Doublelift literally says in this video that he “supports him no matter what”, which is pretty much exactly what Leena wrote. There’s nothing wrong with her tweet.
If you're 30yo or so, you were raised to think and say gay is weird. If you're 30 or so and you're not over that and don't realize life is life and love is love, you're a fkn monster. Be like DL and grow up and say sorry.
The thing I always struggle with is that, 1. I think that ofcourse Vincent deserves all the love and support and is very brave for this and this should get all the attention so we show other people who struggle that we do accept them and we do care about them. 2. But on the other hand, I wish this wasn't seen as brave, because it should be something normal if that makes sense. Like I do think Vincent is brave, but I wish he wouldn't have to be, like a message like this shouldn't be important because it should be normal to all of us. I hope I phrased this in an understandable way.
@@thebrathusproject true and that's sad to think about. I don't want to feel like it's special when someone comes out because I feel like it isn't but I feel like I need to emphasize the importance to help raise the awareness if that makes sense
Notice how along with saying we, DL said “I”. He said “I was apart of making him uncomfortable and I was directly responsible for making him uncomfortable.” THATS accountability.
I remember when dl tweeted a pic of Vincent and said “he’s single ladies hit him up” looking back at it, it was wrong, but it came from a good place in his heart. A lot of what DL said in this video resonated with me
@@HonorViego If DL did something that made Bio feel uncomfortable, then it's normal to say he is wrong and apologize regardless of your intentions. One person says sorry for making you uncomfortable. The other person says hey its okay i know you didn't mean to, I appreciate the apology. This is how two normal functioning people will interact and is probably what happened here since they are good friends.
@@Glazierstar Exactly. Something people need to learn is sometimes you make people feel bad on accident when you were trying to be nice. If you actually have a good relationship and care about this person you should want to resolve that. Idk how so many people struggle to understand this.
@@Lsocs But you shouldn't have to feel bad about something that clearly was with good intentions, that was said because we don't have the information to consider it "wrong to say". Of course once you have that information, its good to apologize to basically "clear the air" and show you know its NOW, not okay, but you shouldn't necessarily feel bad for what you said years before because you were lacking information that someone didnt share with you, and if someone takes it out on you, they're just toxic.
@@PaintbaIl4Fun I agree. I'm just saying in my experience people apologize even if they had good intentions. Of course that person should know you well enough and accept your apology if it was truly unintentional.
It took me 5 seconds of watching Biofrost knewing he was gay, but never paid any attention to it as I look at league player to watch good gameplay not their dating life, hope he feels good after this and respect to Bio coming out is alpha asf!
Isn't this situation comparable to some of the old Regi clips that are used? I've thought from the start that it always just seemed like competitive banter.
I'm Bi myself, I don't act particularly gay , my behavior is odd sometimes as in un-coordinated, but I've had plenty of GFs before , first time I faced homophobia, was when going out on a party with my friends dressed as a Nun(haloween) and a girl on a street said something to the likes of... "LOOK THIS GUY IS BENT" ... in fact Guys have been very supportive in my personal life, I've face more criticism from women ... it felt weird af not gonna lie, but then again I've never felt influenced by anyones opinions If you're gay or bi and think just regular guy behaviour to be toxic I think , you're not being honest with yourself. I talk like that about guys , with my gay friends too , it's not unique to Straight people. The real homophobia is TARGETED and Intentional.
I mean it was from Biofrost own experience, since he was 8. He got in touch with his own sexuality but the environment he was surrounded in really didnt provide a safe, comfortable sense to be open. Thus, it creates a build up and all the toxicity from the community makes it burst. I myself also dont really have a problem with straight guys being a lil too careless to assume. But i do hope that straight guys and girls and actually everyone to not just assume other people always into the opposite gender.
@@senpajishere6203 A lot of worries are hugely exaggerated majority of people are open to the fact once they know , if they don't know they don't simply assume you're gay and treat you "normally". Nobody is a mind reader , the fact that you felt uncomfortable is really unrelated. You have to put aside your own fears and worries and look at people objectively. There is a very distinct difference between peoples behavior when they know and don't know , and vast majority of people are not that "scared" of it. Majority of the Homophobia and bullying comes from people poor backgrounds who are already troublemaker or people that are naturally extremist. Extremist religious , extremist Family values. In League I've been making gay jokes and not once Have I heard anything remotely homophobic , toxic yes , but homophobia is a no-no. Some people not knowing that I'm Myself BI , would even assume I'm being homophobic. When in reality is the opposite. So It's VERY difficult for me to imagine that being gay changes anything for a pro player, it's noting like when I WAS YOUNG ,being gay would automatically exclude you from ALL forms of Social interactions and you could be fired from your job for it. Different times tl;dr'; Your discomfort is not a sign someone is homophobic , it's a sign that you need to say something rather than to keep everyone in the dark and assume they're evil. You need to take personal accountability for keeping it a secret too.
My mother is gay. I hear toxic comments about gay people all the time and then I drop that on them. Shuts them up real fast. We all live in bubbles and often don't consider that the larger world around us doesn't conform to us. Good of you to admit, and better learn from, the pain you caused your friend. That is the best message I have heard in a long time. DL, I respect your honesty and integrity.
Stories like this highlight why we should normalize people just coming out. If Biofrost had felt like he could've walked in day 1 as a pro and said he was gay, I'm sure all the uncomfortable situations between him, DL, and others could've been avoided. I was in a similar position to DL when one of my best friends in hs came out as gay, and he only admitted it to me after I kept teasing him about girls
What we should actually normalize is assuming that anyone you meet could be LGBTQ+ and just assume that any point on the sexuality spectrum could apply to that person until you learn differently. But, yeah, that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Coming out is a very complicated thing and isn't as easy as just doing it. Some people go decades before feeling okay with coming out. Sometimes it is because of financial reasons, or safety reasons, or religious reasons, or, or, or. Even if day 1 as a pro he knew it wouldn't affect his job, that doesn't mean he would feel okay doing it.
@@aprilfools3348 you say that yet we know for a fact stats like "90% of people are straight" have been skewed forever by people not feeling safe and lying. Its like how people say "there are no gay people in the middle east" no they are either dead or hiding the fact they are gay to not get fucked over. Throughout history so many people at the very least participated in "gay" activities.
It's rarely assholes who are homophobic, or racist, or whatever. What usually happens is people like doublelift cause accidental harm. That's super important for people to understand.
Growing up it was just the norm to be homophobic. It’s only in the last 8 years or something that the norm has shifted. When I was a kid we would literally use the word gay as a way to express discontent. Teacher says recess is over and to do some homework, all the kids would say “that’s so gay.” It was just a part of culture. I hope that kids in the US nowadays have a culture of acceptance and understanding instead.
The thing is it’s not homophobia - kids using those terms, etc isn’t because of hatred it’s just a lack of understanding - I know people who are gay now who used to say that stuff. But all of it stems from a lack of understanding of what the words actually mean.
I think people need to stop doing the whole "coming out" thing, like its 2022, nobody actually cares if ur gay, its only the trolls who say anything negative, like people, need to stop being like "dont bully him hes gay" cos thats part of the problem, you are victimizing him for no reason. You are indirectly insinuating that being gay is a reason to be bullied.
People do care though - it's obviously important. Unless you are gay yourself you can't imagine how important a "coming out" moment can be for some people. Don't try to take that away or diminish its importance. Standing up for your friends and spreading the message not to bully people because of their sexuality is an important message, regardless of what year it happens to be.
Good on you, DL. Nobody is perfect, nobody can be perfect. Except me, of course. But admitting to those faults, and making an active effort at improving, that takes courage. I applaud you.
I mean they were bunch of guys living together in a gaming house, its normal you would ask those questions. And it's pretty common they would talk shit with each other jokingly. But hats off to DL for apologizing.
This is the right response. It's not about people being sensitive (most of the time), it's about having respect and consideration for the people you care about. I'm personally not super offended by the word f*ggot or derivatives of that word, but friends struggle to realize that using it as a general pejorative doesn't divorce it from it's context/history as a slur. Somehow it's a controversial take among gamers that using an unchangeable aspect of someone's identity as an insult (even towards something unrelated) can ever not be disrespectful. Cause I've told one of my friends it was cool for him to keep using it and like I'm definitely not going to just drop him because I care about him, but I wish this issue didn't get reduced to "PC culture" or censorship. It's just plain and simply about respecting one another.
Good job for Peter on acknowledging his past mistakes. But I don't know if TSM in particular was the right team for Vincent to have begun his eSports career given this news. While many at TSM are great and probably accepting, I just don't see Andy would have...
I think a big problem is also how normal it is for guys to talk like that. If you did something unmanly-like then you would be called gay and some people just say it without really understanding what they are really saying. All because everyone in the environment talks like that so it becomes the norm. I have been guilty of that and thats why I havent called anyone gay since. And if you really think about it, calling someone gay isnt really an insult. like its kinda dumb
Nice to see you own up on your mistakes, but I do think even if he wasn't gay that behavior would still be problematic. I personally had similar experiences with friends before, the difference was I just didn't want to date at the time, but they always tried to pressure me into meeting or hooking up with chicks, because it didn't occur to them that I didn't want to, even tho I was telling them I'm good. I was neither gay or bi, I just had a stressful toxic relationship I came out of and I was just enjoying being by myself the year after. It just feels like especially among extroverted men theres this kind of tone deafness around dating.
I had always kind of had a feeling that Vincent was gay. Like, that's just the kind of vibe I got off of him. I have a lot of friends that are openly gay, but weren't open about it for a long time but I just knew. I'm so happy for him that he was able to gather up the courage in a position like his, to be open about who he is. I will always support him as a person, and a League of Legends player whether he be a pro player, or simply a content creator. We love you BioFrost!!!
Appreciate DL taking accountability for his past actions instead of saying ‘others’ were the problem. Allowing people to grow and change their views is part of life, seems like that’s left out of the discussion way to much nowadays
Biodaddy memes were real.. wow. Glad he is happier now. Back on TSM DL said Bio had more fangirls than any of them and he was not quite comfortable with it... makes sense now.
Well put, accountability is a big thing and I appreciate DL owning up to his actions and admitting he made a mistake. The community should learn just like DL has and accept everyone
@@zachtichelaar7314 No
This did not age well.
It was BIG of Doublelift to admit that he messed up and made Vincent feel uncomfortable. He even apologized 👏🏽
I dont even understand Why he is apologizing, like these are normal questions. How is this toxic in any way, i mean sure Maybe he did feel uncomfortable but thats on him then.
@@okCool51 he asked those questions in an environment where people joked a lot about being gay and shit like that. In a perfectly welcoming environment where being gay is acceptable, asking those questions are completely valid, but if you're in environment where people may say slurs or "that's so gay dude", you're not allowing someone like bio to be truthful when answering said questions.
@@okCool51 It's called be considerate. Yes it's obvious these are innoncent questions but it's also nice to let the person know that you didn't mean to make them feel uncomofortable and you apologize for that. Nothing wrong with being apologetic for your past behavior regardless if you were aware or not
@@okCool51 You're not Peter or Vincent, you can't speak on their behalf. If he did or didn't want to apologize, that's on him. Making someone uncomfortable is definitely a reason to apologize to someone though. If someone isn't comfortable answering a question or being around certain things/you then don't push the issue or THAT'S ON YOU. Come on, it's common sense. Respect others if you want respect.
@@okCool51 just say you're homophobic and move on
Really impressed with Bio but also with DL for being so self-critical and reflect on his words and actions of the past. A lot of people would think that they did nothing wrong if they didn’t use slurs, but as Bio said, oftentimes it is just about creating a certain atmosphere.
He’s has been nothing but a problem since he’s retired someone needs to put doublelift in check. From constantly flaming everyone ever, and normalizing being rude, the only thing he’s done right is put TSM into light for being cruel. Double has a lot to attest for too. I’m not impressed, he’s doing what everyone should be doing, respecting LGBTQ community.
Edit: i have nothing against people righting their wrongs . I just don’t think creating a trash talk podcast and being a pessimist is the way to fix other players/orgs. I’ve followed double since CLG and find a lot of his content funny (i mean I’m following his “more doublelift youtube”) but the way he’s talked about other pros/lcs since his retirement is not it.
lol
@@hesaphantom6862 "What everyone SHOULD be doing" SHOULD is the key word here man. Should =/= IS. I would say the fact that DL is taking accountability of his past actions is better than most people already. Like you said, he is doing what everyone SHOULD be doing. Implying that not EVERYONE DOES IT, not everyone admits their wrongdoings because of their ego and pride. I respect DL for admitting his questionable past actions and reflecting himself upon it. Especially with someone who is kinda cocky and big ego as him take action is pretty admirable, just goes to show DL's development. But if you hate him you hate him I can't do anything about that
@@hesaphantom6862 you reduced my iq by quite a bit, thanks
@@hesaphantom6862 Alright mr perfect
Brings a whole new meaning to Biodaddy!
Nothing but love for Bio. Hope he has a good circle around him to remind him that he's just another person who deserves love and friends who build him up.
Gives a whole new meaning to abigbroomstick
DL has one of the most enjoyable character development arcs
underated lmao
Such a goat 🐐
Factz
From “everyone is trash” to “I love Vincent no matter what”
Jaime Lannister :D
I love Biofrost and I always will. This doesn't change in any way how I view or see Biofrost, He is such a nice, caring and amazing human! Good luck to him and I know the community will accept him for who he is!
lol gay
@@Teddy-se8qb cry lol
@@kolefxnemanjak.1361 you get offended? is there something wrong with gay?
@@Teddy-se8qb obviously not, but from the your comment it seems like you are trying to use "gay" as an insult, but it's not working, ur just stating the obvious
@@kolefxnemanjak.1361 how am i using it as a insult?
you clearly get offended by the word gay.
really proud of biofrost but i just gained a lot of respect for doublelift. for him to take accountability for past actions especially with such a big following and fear of repercussion takes a good man
Biofrost for me is the kindest player. I was happy for him that he made it back on pro play and now I am more happy for him to express his self to the whole community. what a Chad, is Chad the correct term lol idk
Don't see why we can't have a Giga-gay-Chad lmao
Yeah Biofrost is a Chad, full stop. Don't forget C9 Kindboy!
He's also a groomer too.
Hes a chad that likes brads nbd
Im personally not a fan of DL, but for real, this is really nice to hear. Im really proud if Bio for coming out, and the way he stated everything was soo eloquent and well thought out. I can only imagine there are probably people who have made him feel uncomfortable now praising him for coming out, without apologizing to him. Im really impressed by DL for owning his shit and being a good friend.
I'm glad Bio finally felt comfortable enough to come out publicly like this, sucks that he had to go through so much shit. Homophobia sucks man.
U know who else sUcKs? 🤣😂
@@mechboltxl4591 lmao savage af
@@mechboltxl4591 what is wrong with you?
@@pietrofattorello Islam is right about gays.
You do realize he was considered straight when the homophobia occurred? I'm pretty sure he won't receive much of it anymore now that he came out as gay... He will receive some backlash in comments but most of them will be from Marxist people that will want to trigger other brainwashed Marxists on how anti gay is the society they live in. No normal people will bother him unless they deplly religious or just not from the West.
holy shit a streamer took accountability for past actions, world is ending we are all doomed.
meme aside this is the best response ive seen and i love seeing the accountability
Let's be honest. Any LCS fan that doesn't like Vincent, whether or not he's openly gay, just has bad taste. And if your opinion of him changes negatively when you find out he's gay, you're probably an asshole. Dude is a complete sweetheart, as everybody who's ever played on a team with him agrees, and he deserves to be accepted for who he is. There are probably a fair few more LGBTQ+ people hiding within the pro League scene, and they too deserve to be allowed to be themselves without fear, so let's show them by example that we don't shun people for their differences.
I can think of 2 off the top of my head just in the LCS that are probably LGBTQ+, much less other regions.
Idc about Biofrosr before, I dont care about him now
Bio is my fav support ever in LCS. I started watching league just as Jhin was released.
@@aprilfools3348 he's doing this to stay relevant. He's washed up and a garbage support.
If you are a man and youre into men you have bad taste
biolift, a duo we will never forget. and personally, tsm legends: season 3 will forever be my favourite time in esports history.
honestly its those times that I'm still a tsm fan despite all the shit going on
@@hanson2331 i guess i've never really been an org fan, my favourite players were bjergsen and doublelift ever since i got into the league scene, so those tsm days kind of fell into place perfectly for me. the personalities of the rest of the team also made it so easy to support tsm as a whole, i'll always treasure those memories :)
Maybe it’s just cuz I’m a lil 💅🏼 myself, but seeing doublelift, a Cis-straight male, not only take accountability for what he had done, but to also encourage others to love and support bio and every other individual apart of the community and he’s genuinely (seemingly) so appreciative of his relationship with bio. It’s just nice to see that, especially in the gaming community.
Cis-straight male? Just gtfo of here already.
@@iwantlee9510cry about it
Doublelift isnt Cis, he's normal. Stop pathologizing normal people.
@@voidscreaming1012 so you DONT know what cis means? LOL
@@voidscreaming1012 ur insecurities are showing
really appreciate DL's response here. Exactly the kind of sentiments i wish my friends would have understood when i came out
Doublelift has always been pro lgbtq.
My dear friend ex league pro Maria aka remi (rest in peace) always said that of the pro players she interacted with doublelift was always one of the kindest and most supportive. I’ll always be thankful to him for that. I love you maria.
She fully deserved to play in LCS she earnt her spot fair and square through relegations. To date shes the only female pro player at least in the major regions.
I think maybe because he used to play a lot with aphromoo. The rush hour duo.
Pretty sad she died so suddenly.
If you don't mind me asking, how was it?
Another Trans suicide ? i'm sorry for your loss. This happens all too often rest in peace.
@@BeigeVarsity How is aphro related to this?
This is a W. No doubt.
Simple, true, and understated.
This is a L.
@@mechboltxl4591 you’re an L indeed
@@applesapps4187 how am I a L. He's doing this to stay relevant.
@@mechboltxl4591 Yeah cause he's stupid enough to know that this second-worth clout's consequences include loss of his already few fanbase, more damage to his mental, physical security, being prone to lesser pay and value etc. Speaking of relevance, you up there buddy?
its great to hear doublelift admit he probably created an unsafe environment for bio to come out, glad that they've both grown past that now, and i hope bio continues to live his truth
Glad you're holding yourself accountable DL
So happy to hear your mature comments. Please keep this kind of thing in your mind and heart as you talk to people in the industry tomorrow, next week, next year and beyond
im glad he is happy now
Much love to biofrost. Respect for coming out.
Glad he's taken time to apologize for past wrongdoings and to show support
So happy for Bio!
So proud of vincent. Its a huge step for this community and i hope people stay civilised and dont treat him different. DL u got my biggest respect for admitting your mistake and apologising. Too many people how too much ego to admit they were wrong !
When the carry supports the best support ever. Awesome af. We support you Bio! One thing stays true in league. Legends Never Die...
Shoutout to Doublelift for owning his bullshit and supporting his friend
very proud of bio, he's definitely helping make the league and gaming community more accepting and aware
By grooming more children in the process.
@@mechboltxl4591 troll, give it up kid. Bios a great fella and that’s all that should matter! What difference does his sexual preference make? Absolutely none, I support good people, therefore bio will always have my support.
@@mechboltxl4591 your issue is thinking anyone decides to feel a certain way
@@davidthemax2942 and now they are coming for our children. Look up the SF gay chorus.
@@mechboltxl4591 so true bestie we should instead remove any group from society that has members that commit any sort of crime. Just put the whole country behind bars actually while we're at it, right? 🤦🤦🤦
Remember when Doublelift suprised vincent with an egirl in voice comm? Vincent wasn't ready to come out so he had to act along the whole time? Image how how awkward and scared vincent must have felt at the time. I'm not blaming doublelift or anything because he had no idea and had no malicious intent... in his mind, he is probably thinking he is helping Vincent to get a girl.
great take / opinion. now this is what maturity looks like
Good for doublelift for supporting his friend. Dont agree with the 1/100 person being homophobic in the gaming community, the number is definitely way higher than that, but i get what he was trying to say.
naw theres definetely a lot of people who say things like thats gay or whatever but only like 1/100 or less actually say from a homophobic viewpoint. Unfortunately gay and fag just became synonymy's with bad or some negative connotation but almost no one who says it is referring to actual gay people at all. But obviously if ur gay and hear that shit its definitely gonna feel that way. Just unfortunate, but over time i think more and more people are realizing that using those words can hurt people without you realizing and using them less, gonna be a while before thats the mainstream in the gaming community tho.
@@karljones7976 I don't think people should stop using words because they're afraid of offending somebody that they don't know. Can't really hate on people for that the use of the word should not be removed it would be similar to calling someone a "bitch", or "retard", stupid, but there is no hate or malice behind it.
At that point you might as well not use any words because it can offend someone. Let somebody know and most people will accept and be respectful to you. No need to remove the word or sayings out of a community because of offending people that is not within peoples knowledge.
@mcchickenz yea i know a gay guy like that too but thats the minority not the majority, like what are you even saying
@@PureGaming1845its not about not trying to offend someone its about not putting your own convenience over other peoples feelings. Like im not saying that people shouldnt be able to say it im just saying that it is objectively wrong to do so in a public setting. Im all for free speech but just cuase you want to call someone a fag or retard doesn't mean its right. Not that im judging cause i love those words and dont use them to put down actual people with mental disabilities or gay people but if im being honest with myself there is no need to use them and I would be a better person not to do so in a public setting. Again not to not offend someone or because my speech should be limited, just so i can become a better person and care about others more, but yea its hard cause those words are so engrained in our culture
@mcchickenz yea americans are very sensitive in general when it comes to insults and anything like that which is really stupid but its how it is here, as much as I don't like it is is the reality, like I wouldn't say we have tons of flamboyant gay people who are just extra sensitive its really just the whole culture in general. Its a recent thing though cod lobbies back in the day were brutal
Thank you for being real Peter. As always. You dont talk shit, you dont make excuses. Ty
I mean. He do be talking shit tho. But not for real I guess xD
@@WoolTecMc banter doesnt count xd
The first thing I thought of was the canto Mando video haha.. the Caitlyn plan actually had no effect on biodaddy. Jokes aside, respect to Vincent.
Always cheer on biodaddy, nothing changes
We appreciate bio
Does anyone remember that TSM House Tour Vid where DBL was the host? Remember when he got to Vincent's room? That particular exchange between the 2 was really awkward. Looks like Vincent was really uncomfortable & now I know why. Could only struggling wanting to be yourself but couldn't.
I'm glad Bio came out. Good for him. Thats a tough thing to do at any age or career but in his community its extra tough.
Double is Lifting the curtain. Appreciate your perseverance in this game of life.
W biogod for being comfortable enough to come out, and bring awareness, all the best for one of my favorite supports
He is so damm brave, it so freaking hard to admit it and it might be even harder for him has a public figure in such a toxic environment. He have all my respect
I almost shed a tear when DL took accountability for his past. I’ve never respected an influencer more than right now.
Being truthful and letting others know how you feel is definitely for the best but, it does make you feel quite vulnerable.
Good on you for admitting you were wrong and open to change to support your friend.
All the people in chat acting like Bio is the first openly LGBTQ player in the LCS completely forgetting Remi, the trans girl that played support for Renegades half a decade ago.
danny is openly gay too i think? anyways prob just uninformed people we should support them all
@@luisg317 I don't think Danny has ever said he's gay. But iirc LS memes about his gaydar going off
@@david15136 Which is also uncool of LS to do. As a gay guy, LS should know better than to tease, hint, or joke like that about someone else that isn't open to everyone. If Danny is, then it is his story to tell, not LS.
@@connix69 If LS says aphromoo makes his blackdar go off is that also wrong? Quit treating people like children and treat them equally
@@david15136 Being black is a visible thing. Being gay isn't. There's a difference there. Nobody "comes out as black" because it's a thing that can't be kept secret. People come out as gay because it's something often invisible. By teasing Danny like that it just creates an awkward situation of making him feel like he's forced to come out earlier or that people are making assumptions about him. It is Danny's choice alone to come our or not, and LS shouldn't try to force it either way.
Respect to DL for this. Leena’s tweet was worded a bit awkwardly but I’m sure Vincent appreciates her good intentions
Doublelift literally says in this video that he “supports him no matter what”, which is pretty much exactly what Leena wrote. There’s nothing wrong with her tweet.
Nothing but love for Bio
If you're 30yo or so, you were raised to think and say gay is weird. If you're 30 or so and you're not over that and don't realize life is life and love is love, you're a fkn monster. Be like DL and grow up and say sorry.
Your comment support pedophiles by the way. May want to amend that statement of yours.
Not people saying
"Of course it's a support main"
Love Biofrost.
im a newer DL fan just started following this year, but i can say im here to stay. def one of the most genuine content creators around keep it up bro
The thing I always struggle with is that, 1. I think that ofcourse Vincent deserves all the love and support and is very brave for this and this should get all the attention so we show other people who struggle that we do accept them and we do care about them.
2. But on the other hand, I wish this wasn't seen as brave, because it should be something normal if that makes sense. Like I do think Vincent is brave, but I wish he wouldn't have to be, like a message like this shouldn't be important because it should be normal to all of us. I hope I phrased this in an understandable way.
maybe 2) will happen in like, a 2122 utopia - definitely not now or the near future
I understand what you mean and I agree, unfortunately homophobia is still a big thing in the world and certainly in esports.
@@thebrathusproject true and that's sad to think about. I don't want to feel like it's special when someone comes out because I feel like it isn't but I feel like I need to emphasize the importance to help raise the awareness if that makes sense
Notice how along with saying we, DL said “I”. He said “I was apart of making him uncomfortable and I was directly responsible for making him uncomfortable.” THATS accountability.
I remember when dl tweeted a pic of Vincent and said “he’s single ladies hit him up” looking back at it, it was wrong, but it came from a good place in his heart.
A lot of what DL said in this video resonated with me
Assuming he’s not gay, how is that a wrong thing to do
@@HonorViego If DL did something that made Bio feel uncomfortable, then it's normal to say he is wrong and apologize regardless of your intentions. One person says sorry for making you uncomfortable. The other person says hey its okay i know you didn't mean to, I appreciate the apology. This is how two normal functioning people will interact and is probably what happened here since they are good friends.
@@Glazierstar Exactly. Something people need to learn is sometimes you make people feel bad on accident when you were trying to be nice. If you actually have a good relationship and care about this person you should want to resolve that. Idk how so many people struggle to understand this.
@@Lsocs But you shouldn't have to feel bad about something that clearly was with good intentions, that was said because we don't have the information to consider it "wrong to say". Of course once you have that information, its good to apologize to basically "clear the air" and show you know its NOW, not okay, but you shouldn't necessarily feel bad for what you said years before because you were lacking information that someone didnt share with you, and if someone takes it out on you, they're just toxic.
@@PaintbaIl4Fun I agree. I'm just saying in my experience people apologize even if they had good intentions. Of course that person should know you well enough and accept your apology if it was truly unintentional.
It took me 5 seconds of watching Biofrost knewing he was gay, but never paid any attention to it as I look at league player to watch good gameplay not their dating life, hope he feels good after this and respect to Bio coming out is alpha asf!
Isn't this situation comparable to some of the old Regi clips that are used? I've thought from the start that it always just seemed like competitive banter.
BIOFROST!!!!!Congrats, dude. Welcome to the community!
Dl, Soren, Sven, Hauntzer, Parth... one major name missing in his list of people who'd accept Bio Daddy.
LOL
Oof
I'm Bi myself, I don't act particularly gay , my behavior is odd sometimes as in un-coordinated, but I've had plenty of GFs before , first time I faced homophobia, was when
going out on a party with my friends dressed as a Nun(haloween) and a girl on a street said something to the likes of...
"LOOK THIS GUY IS BENT" ... in fact Guys have been very supportive in my personal life, I've face more criticism from women
... it felt weird af not gonna lie, but then again I've never felt influenced by anyones opinions
If you're gay or bi and think just regular guy behaviour to be toxic I think , you're not being honest with yourself.
I talk like that about guys , with my gay friends too , it's not unique to Straight people.
The real homophobia is TARGETED and Intentional.
I mean it was from Biofrost own experience, since he was 8. He got in touch with his own sexuality but the environment he was surrounded in really didnt provide a safe, comfortable sense to be open. Thus, it creates a build up and all the toxicity from the community makes it burst.
I myself also dont really have a problem with straight guys being a lil too careless to assume. But i do hope that straight guys and girls and actually everyone to not just assume other people always into the opposite gender.
@@senpajishere6203 A lot of worries are hugely exaggerated majority of people are open to the fact once they know , if they don't know they don't simply assume you're gay and treat you "normally". Nobody is a mind reader , the fact that you felt uncomfortable is really unrelated. You have to put aside your own fears and worries and look at people objectively.
There is a very distinct difference between peoples behavior when they know and don't know , and vast majority of people are not that "scared" of it.
Majority of the Homophobia and bullying comes from people poor backgrounds who are already troublemaker or people that are naturally extremist. Extremist religious , extremist Family values.
In League I've been making gay jokes and not once Have I heard anything remotely homophobic , toxic yes , but homophobia is a no-no. Some people not knowing that I'm Myself BI , would even assume I'm being homophobic. When in reality is the opposite.
So It's VERY difficult for me to imagine that being gay changes anything for a pro player, it's noting like when I WAS YOUNG ,being gay would automatically exclude you from ALL forms of Social interactions and you could be fired from your job for it. Different times
tl;dr'; Your discomfort is not a sign someone is homophobic , it's a sign that you need to say something rather than to keep everyone in the dark and assume they're evil.
You need to take personal accountability for keeping it a secret too.
Now bio is one of us >: )
One of us. One of us. ONE OF US.
i appreciate DL taking the accountabilty for his actions. amazing self awareness
Respect DL for this, respect to bio and all the best for the future!
You know Bio is a good guy, and I will continue to support him!
What a legend!! one of my best members in the community right here.
My mother is gay. I hear toxic comments about gay people all the time and then I drop that on them. Shuts them up real fast. We all live in bubbles and often don't consider that the larger world around us doesn't conform to us. Good of you to admit, and better learn from, the pain you caused your friend. That is the best message I have heard in a long time. DL, I respect your honesty and integrity.
Does your mom have blue hair?
So happy for BioDaddy! So much courage and bravery! Hopefully we can be proud of him.
I knew it long ago. Glad he came out and hope it helps him
Stories like this highlight why we should normalize people just coming out. If Biofrost had felt like he could've walked in day 1 as a pro and said he was gay, I'm sure all the uncomfortable situations between him, DL, and others could've been avoided. I was in a similar position to DL when one of my best friends in hs came out as gay, and he only admitted it to me after I kept teasing him about girls
What we should actually normalize is assuming that anyone you meet could be LGBTQ+ and just assume that any point on the sexuality spectrum could apply to that person until you learn differently. But, yeah, that isn't going to happen anytime soon. Coming out is a very complicated thing and isn't as easy as just doing it. Some people go decades before feeling okay with coming out. Sometimes it is because of financial reasons, or safety reasons, or religious reasons, or, or, or. Even if day 1 as a pro he knew it wouldn't affect his job, that doesn't mean he would feel okay doing it.
@@connix6990% people are straight. There is no wrong assuming people are straight
@@aprilfools3348 you say that yet we know for a fact stats like "90% of people are straight" have been skewed forever by people not feeling safe and lying. Its like how people say "there are no gay people in the middle east" no they are either dead or hiding the fact they are gay to not get fucked over. Throughout history so many people at the very least participated in "gay" activities.
omg that RUclips 2 part of dl trying to wingman for bio will never make me laugh the same again q.q
Lowkey knew from the beginning by his mannerisms but glad he finally came out! Congrats Bio!
Why is this a video on his channel? Monitized
what a fucking legend.
More like a groomer.
Aaaaaaaaa are people actually surprised about this... Glad he's confident enough in himself now to put it out there and be who he is
It's rarely assholes who are homophobic, or racist, or whatever. What usually happens is people like doublelift cause accidental harm. That's super important for people to understand.
Growing up it was just the norm to be homophobic. It’s only in the last 8 years or something that the norm has shifted. When I was a kid we would literally use the word gay as a way to express discontent. Teacher says recess is over and to do some homework, all the kids would say “that’s so gay.” It was just a part of culture. I hope that kids in the US nowadays have a culture of acceptance and understanding instead.
The thing is it’s not homophobia - kids using those terms, etc isn’t because of hatred it’s just a lack of understanding - I know people who are gay now who used to say that stuff. But all of it stems from a lack of understanding of what the words actually mean.
I think people need to stop doing the whole "coming out" thing, like its 2022, nobody actually cares if ur gay, its only the trolls who say anything negative, like people, need to stop being like "dont bully him hes gay" cos thats part of the problem, you are victimizing him for no reason. You are indirectly insinuating that being gay is a reason to be bullied.
People do care though - it's obviously important. Unless you are gay yourself you can't imagine how important a "coming out" moment can be for some people. Don't try to take that away or diminish its importance. Standing up for your friends and spreading the message not to bully people because of their sexuality is an important message, regardless of what year it happens to be.
@@Xeonaa yes but it perpetuates a gay people are victims mentality. They are not any more. Calling them victims attracts people to hate on them.
Yay Bio is apart of the family! Go Bio! Make the change!
We love you no matter what, Biodaddy! Still one of my favorite players in the league community!
Good on you, DL. Nobody is perfect, nobody can be perfect. Except me, of course. But admitting to those faults, and making an active effort at improving, that takes courage. I applaud you.
I mean they were bunch of guys living together in a gaming house, its normal you would ask those questions. And it's pretty common they would talk shit with each other jokingly. But hats off to DL for apologizing.
Thank you for this
much love for Bio ❤️
This is the right response. It's not about people being sensitive (most of the time), it's about having respect and consideration for the people you care about. I'm personally not super offended by the word f*ggot or derivatives of that word, but friends struggle to realize that using it as a general pejorative doesn't divorce it from it's context/history as a slur. Somehow it's a controversial take among gamers that using an unchangeable aspect of someone's identity as an insult (even towards something unrelated) can ever not be disrespectful.
Cause I've told one of my friends it was cool for him to keep using it and like I'm definitely not going to just drop him because I care about him, but I wish this issue didn't get reduced to "PC culture" or censorship. It's just plain and simply about respecting one another.
I hope no one in the Pro Play community, could be so cruel to use homophobia, to mentally take him out of the matches he plays
Representation is needed in e-sports. Good on Biofrost for coming out.
Doublelift is doing so much for the gay gamer community by co-streaming with Sneaky and Meteos, keep up the good work!
Good job for Peter on acknowledging his past mistakes. But I don't know if TSM in particular was the right team for Vincent to have begun his eSports career given this news. While many at TSM are great and probably accepting, I just don't see Andy would have...
I think a big problem is also how normal it is for guys to talk like that. If you did something unmanly-like then you would be called gay and some people just say it without really understanding what they are really saying. All because everyone in the environment talks like that so it becomes the norm. I have been guilty of that and thats why I havent called anyone gay since. And if you really think about it, calling someone gay isnt really an insult. like its kinda dumb
DL is adult enough to admit he acted wrong. Respect.
just a little tip from people especially to queer people don't ever say "we know" or "I was right" or "yeah it was obvious"...
Nice to see you own up on your mistakes, but I do think even if he wasn't gay that behavior would still be problematic. I personally had similar experiences with friends before, the difference was I just didn't want to date at the time, but they always tried to pressure me into meeting or hooking up with chicks, because it didn't occur to them that I didn't want to, even tho I was telling them I'm good.
I was neither gay or bi, I just had a stressful toxic relationship I came out of and I was just enjoying being by myself the year after. It just feels like especially among extroverted men theres this kind of tone deafness around dating.
Not me noticing my tweet in the corner of the video at the beginning LOL
I had always kind of had a feeling that Vincent was gay. Like, that's just the kind of vibe I got off of him. I have a lot of friends that are openly gay, but weren't open about it for a long time but I just knew. I'm so happy for him that he was able to gather up the courage in a position like his, to be open about who he is. I will always support him as a person, and a League of Legends player whether he be a pro player, or simply a content creator. We love you BioFrost!!!
think regi would have treated him the same if he had come out to the team?
it was obvious but kudos for getting the strength to talk about it have a good life vincent
I never regret in my life supporting you.
Takes a lot of courage to come out like that while being part of the gaming community, which can be super fucking toxic. Good for him. ❤️
i remember the yoona setup haha
Lol I can’t wait to rewatch TSM legends with this context
now it's time for Peter to come out
good for vincent!