Understanding The SUPER 8 Camera Filter | DAYLIGHT & TUNGSTEN
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- Опубликовано: 24 июл 2024
- One of the MOST common features of a Super 8 camera, is the built in filter that can be used in order to shoot Tungsten film outside. Knowing exactly when to use this filter and exactly how it works is important to getting good color with your Super 8 cartridges.
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I literally looked at my super 8 yesterday and thought "uhhh do I have the filter right?" this video came at the perfect time!
this was such a great and informative video, as always! keep up the excellent work!
You are wonderful and that made perfect sense to me. Thank you for clarifying it all for us!
This is a good and comprehensive explanation of this topic. The best I have been able to find so far on youtube, website or forums.
This may be one of the most useful Super 8 videos I've seen. Thanks so much!
Thank you so much for such a clear informative video! Super helpful!
perfect video. absolutely thorough!
Superbly explained Noah 👍🏼
Thank you,very helpful.I use in my camera 50 D and don‘t use any filter-Results is great.
Very informative! Thanks dude!
Best video explaining it on the internet!
first time super 8 shooter here. wow this was incredibly helpful! You are a life saver!
Wow thanks, just what I needed right now! Just bought a random colleciton of super8 cameras and just started shooting some film, but that filter really had me wondering. I was sort of assuming the cameras had both an orange and blue filter, or if not, then just an orange filter because it steals way less light than the blue... But then considering the target consumer of super8 film, I get why they prioritized a tungsten workflow, seeing as one typically has enough light outdoors :p
Thanks so much. I am a complete beginner and it all made great sense.
very useful, thank you!
This was a really clear video. I don’t use the filter in the camera even when I’m shooting T film outside. I’ve found that I can easily colour correct in FCP afterwards, and I appreciate having a slightly faster film to shoot with.
What does it look like when you use T without the filter in daylight? Is it useable for a different kind of effect?
@@cdowling23 It will look like shooting with a videocamera who's Whitebalance is still set to indoor / tungsten light. When shooting outside everything will be too blue. That is because the film was made for lighting conditions with high Blue-light part in the light spectrum. However this also becomes really important when you use lamps for shooting or have just lamps around that have a higher colour temperature. like 5000K or 7200K (Daylight white or Cold White). The LEDs in modern day Flatscreens for exaple have a high colour temperature and are basically perfect for daylight Film like the Kodak Vision 3 50D or the Ektachrome 100D. For 200T and 500T you would have to use the 85 Filter again because of the high blue-light parts in the lightsprectrum of these flatscreen LEDs. That is by the way also the reason why the high blue-light from flatscreens is causing a lot of health issues which is why you have now apps for your PCs and phones that tint the picture more red, according to the daytime. So it would reduce the high blue-light part in the light sprectrum. Compact Flourescent Lamps (CFLs) are a different kind of beast because these lamps have a really really bad colour spectrum and tend to deliver a pretty greenish blue pale light. Those are very hard to film with properly. No matter if you use Daylight balanced film or Tungsten balanced film.
Thank you! I just shot some footage with by 10 and 514 XL for the first time and thought that I got it wrong because I was shooting daylight film with the filter switched to the daylight simble. From what you’re saying, it won’t matter because the camera won’t let me mess that up 🤞
Nice job! I've been repairing and servicing S8 cameras since you were born. But I've never heard such a good explanation of the correction filter.
I remove most orange filters from S8 cams due to degraded orange filters. And I will supply an orange filter to the user.
This is such a good explanation for what's actually happening
my regular 8 camera came with a daylight filter on it, and I've just been using it as is cause It makes everything look more vintage and warm especially at the beach/boardwalk
Thanks!!
Ahh this is so helpful! I was wondering why my super 8 film came back with great colours outside despite shooting on 200T outside!
What a notchy Video :)
Great info. What kind of film would you recommend for shooting indoors in low light situations. I have some Pro08/07 ASA 250 film for my Braun Pro camera, but I'm wondering if I should use a different kind of film to compensate for the low light indoors. Maybe a 500T would work better for indoor low light?
Thanks for the informative video! I'm still a little confused by your explanation of filter key use. I have a Canon Auto Zoom 518SV with filter slot and key at the top. When should and shouldnt I leave the filter key in? Cheers!
Hey Noah quick question i was wondering what orange filter you were using for the yashica super 800 electro? Im trying to find one for mine that i just recently purchased and dont know where to start. Great video!
Quick question, would the orange filter you show next to the yashica super 800 electro be a 85 filter lens? Also, where would you get these orange filters? btw great vid!
If I’m shooting at night urban city lights NYC, would i still use the orange filter since I’m outdoors? Thank you for your insight
Hey Noah so I just picked up the Canon Autozoom 814 electronic and I’m a bit new to the super 8 world. I’m planning on shooting at night in the city with all the pretty city lights, cars, business signs, stoplights, and some shots indoors at night on Kodak Vision 500T. My question is do I engage that red CCA filter at the top of the camera? What about the one on the bottom as well? I am still a bit confused about the cancellation filters in general.
I have a Rollei SL-85 and it has TWO keys. I think I know which one is for the filter but the other one is supposedly for some manual exposure function and I'm not sure how to work it
Hey Noah, great video! Thanks for all the great information. I had a quick question, do you know what size thread is in the NIZO S480 lens? In case I wanted some extra filters. Hope you can help. Thanks!
I'm not 100% sure, but I think it's maybe a 49mm filter thread!
@@AnalogResurgence Great! thanks for getting back to me!
If insert the flat metal into R10 will the filter on nikon r10 activated? If has kodak 200T inside the camera
Seeing that the filter can sometime go to pot, you might as well have it removed and just screw a filter onto the front of your lens. It might be less convenient, but you have far more control over the exposure of your film that way.
Hello, I have a Bell & Howell Autoload 308 (very little info available online on this model). It does have the tungsten filter, however when I engage it, the filter only appears in the upper left corner of the view. Does anybody know if this is right, or is it stuck? Am I supposed to be able to see the whole filter when I look into the view?
Thankyou!
Hi, I just had a quick question. If I wanted to film using 200T during the day outdoors, my camera settings don't need changing right? but if I wanted to film at night, would I need to remove the orange filter? I own a Canon Auto Zoom 318m if that helps too. Thank you for your videos!!
In low light like that you might want to just shoot without the filter so that the most light possible is directly hitting the film!
@@AnalogResurgence Thank you so much for your reply & your videos as well! You're one of the few providing great info on old film & cameras
Hi Noah.
I recently bought a Canon 310XL and shot my first roll of 50D and I'm in love with the results. I would like to try shooting on 500T next month at night during a fireworks display. Would I need the filter switch set to the sun symbol or the lightbulb symbol for this? Love the channel - it's what made me buy a Super 8 camera!
I would set it to the lightbulb so that the filter is removed! That way you aren't losing that little bit of light for your exposure that the filter would take up.
@@AnalogResurgence Thank you! Keep up the good work.
Does all the external filter are universal size ? If not, what would it be for a Canon canosound 312xl-s ? Awesome content btw !
There are different sizes of filters depending on the lens filter thread of your camera. The 312XL will take a 43mm filter
I've looked inside the cartidge compartment on my Bolex 480 Macrozoom, and there doesn't appear to be notch in there to be depressed by daylight stock cartridges.
what if you are shooting tungsten film under floursent lights? Will the floursent lights change the color of the footage, will I need a external filter on the front of the lens? Also great great info in this vid!
Fluorescent lights are different from tungsten and daylight so for optimal results you could try filtering! The Film Photography Project has a nice article that details things little more that might help you out:
filmphotographyproject.com/content/2017/05/color-temperature-blues-what-are-color-correction-filters/
Fancy Nizo you have there sir.
If you didn’t have a filter key and you couldn’t use a coin could you tape a bit of plastic on the cartridge notch to disengage the filter?
yes!
my Carena C-600 has a "MOVIE LIGHT" button at the top that seems to control the pin, but i dont see any difference in the viewfinder at all. does this mean it's broken, and i should buy a warming filter, or does the filter not show in the viewfinder?
The internal filter doesn’t appear in the viewfinder!
Hi Noah! What about tri-x? :) Still a bit confused as to what applies to this stock...
Because Tri-X is a black and white stock the filter doesn't really matter! Tri-X does have different sensitivity to light and color and shooting it indoors under tungsten light will impact the sensitivity of the film. So it's normally 200iso when shot under daylight conditions, but in tungsten lighting it loses some of that sensitivity and becomes 160iso. The box for Tri-X should say this on the front and says "Without Filter". So you don't need to use the filter with Tri-X, and because 160 is only slightly less then 200iso you can probably still keep things the way they are if you switch to inside. If your cameras allows for manual exposure then you can always add a bit of over-exposure if under tungsten lights!
@@AnalogResurgence thank you so much!!! You and your channel are always such a tremendous help :)))
Theoretically, regular lightbulbs are disappearing quickly---replaced by fluorescents and LEDS. How do these impact daylight and tungsten film?
Those lights have different color temperatures that can be converted to a specific one to match your film as well. Different filters beyond orange and blue can be used for working with different lights! The Film Photography Project has a good little article detailing things like fluorescents:
filmphotographyproject.com/content/2017/05/color-temperature-blues-what-are-color-correction-filters/
How does it work with the Canon 512xl electronic?
That model has a socket on the top for the filter, like I describe in the video. The difference is it’s just a socket and not a slot. The manual can be found here:
www.manualslib.com/manual/556785/Canon-Autozoom-Electronic-512xl.html#product-AutoZoom%20Electronic%20512XL
Ope! Forget about the last 2 comments! I did a silly.
Hi, i have a Nizo camera, like the one in your video. so just to clarify, when i'm using tungsten film indoors, i have to make sure the wheel is turned to the lightbulb to deactivate the filter correct? mine seems to be really hard to turn all the way and the little arrow doesn't quite make it all the way to the lightbulb icon. does that mean that the filter might be stuck or something?
You need to stop using terms as indoors and outdoors, you are overcomplicating the whole thing; especially when someone wants to shoot outside at night. Furthermore very good video.