Regular, Double & Standard 8mm Film | EVERYTHING You Need To Know
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An excellent lecture on the differences between the formats. I cut my teeth on Reg. 8mm in the 1960's finally winning an Honorable Mention in the 1968 Kodak Teenage Movie Awards for my 22 minute science fiction film, full of animation, miniature sets, slow-motion, etc. So many things could be done with Reg. 8mm in special effects than couldn't be accomplished with Super 8, double exposure being an important one. By DE you could mix miniatures with people by masking off a part of the frame, then backwinding and running through a 2nd time. I stubbornly stuck with Reg. 8mm till 1971 when I finally got my first Super 8 camera. In the transition period from Reg. to Super, there were some fantastic Reg.8mm cameras sold (brand new) for huge discounts and you could get exceptional ones for half-price or less. As you stated the Reg. 8mm cameras were far better built than most Super 8 cams and some of the standard lenses were among the finest in the world, a German-built Bauer I had was a magnificent piece of machinery, sadly stolen in Mexico City while on a vacation. Decades later, still having all my editing equipment and some projectors, I transferred both Reg. & Super to VHS and later DVD for customers. I ended up doing literally over 1,000,000 feet of film and found the picture quality invariably always better with Reg. 8mm. These were other peoples' films, remember but the Standard 8 looked head and shoulders better than the Super, almost like Kodak had cheapened or degraded the film stock. I still have all my equipment, the nicest piece being a Bolex Reg. 8mm camera with 3-lens turret, slow-motion (64 fps), single-frame, backwind capability with frame counter, and more. Nobody now will ever understand the thrill of many hours of work animating miniatures, then sending the film off to be processed, and anticipating seeing your stop-motion work come to life when you got the processed film back and projected it for the first time. Heady days.
Such an awesome story, im really excited to get into my Reg. 8mm with the Brownie 8mm Movie Camera. Its really interesting how you can shape the film for special effects like you explained. Thanks for sharing :)
I recommend loading it in the darkness after practice so you get a few extra seconds for a title card or something
That's exactly what I do, I 've always preferred to use every single frame.
But is its boxed in the dark? You're not sure how much they let hit the light in the factory. Especially because the film photography project is a small company who, I believe, does it all by hand...
@@NickG123 I’ve been shooting/developing 2x8 for years now, factories load the reels in the dark now, I’ve only shot film photography project’s color positive a few times and I load in full darkness for all my film I’ve never seen any “load burn” in the first few feet of both sides also I doubt that a small company would load even in low light
Finally! An 8mm video! I have a bell & Howell with an automatic exposure and a turret lense (very similar to the middle camera at 10:08), and despite having only shot one successful roll with it, mainly because of the prize, I absolutely love it!
I bought the same one more than 20 years ago in a yard sale. Has some film in it.
This is one of the best summaries of Double 8 I've seen. Thank you for producing it! One important point you missed, though: the exposure guides on most Double 8mm cameras are calibrated for the original Kodachrome, produced from 1936-61, ISO 10. The slowest film made today (offered by Film Photography Project) is ISO 40, which means that if you use the exposure guide on the camera your film will be severely overexposed. Instead use a phone app such as Lightmeter to get the correct exposure reading (16fps is about equal to 1/30 of a second). If your camera has a built-in meter, make sure it has a manual override. Use the override and set the aperture yourself. Meters of that era usually don't age well over time and often give unreliable results.
In the late 1960s, I had a late-model 8mm camera which had electric drive, auto exposure, and a zoom lens with reflex viewing... made by Ansco. (The same company that brought us ASA (ISO) 500 color slide Anscochrome, and a $2 chemical kit for home processing). I "won" the camera from a camera store because Super-8 had made it already obsolete! I also figured you could put the batteries in backwards and it would run backwards for special effects!
Cine Kodak is a beautiful piece of art. I use it regularly and I absolutely love it!
Suddenly got curious about 8mm film reel filming, because of being a fan of old doctor who and its missing episodes and I found film fascinating.
Ps. Thought that I might get into it in the future, and I thought that I would film one of my favourite doctor who stories, to have as an actual film. But I also thought that I might film my own doctor who, or just science fiction/horror films, but how do I get film that's long enough to say film several minutes, 26 minutes per episode in the case of classic doctor who, and several hours of home film, including cockups and bloopers.
Did you hear pro8mm starts manufacturing Double Super 8 film?! That's absolutely GREAT news! www.pro8mm.com/blogs/blog/introducing-the-new-ektachrome-in-double-super-8-film
Discovered Bolex double-run 8mm movie cameras almost accidentally. Gottan H8REX. Was my late Pop’s. After getting it CLA’d, I’m having fun accessorising it. Found out the REX is picky 4 lenses so hadta source the RX primes Stateside. Now looking 4 tripod 2 mount on dolly. Thinking of experimenting with animation. I like the betta film economy of 8 over 16mm. Unsure if spring-wound 8mm is catching on here🇦🇺.
I have a sad story about 8 mm film, as I april of the year 2000 had a roll of Kodachrome double 8mm that someone gave me, which had stayed in the freezer, still fresh, even though it was discontinued many years ago already. An as rare event as tearing down a high rise building with explosives was going to happen in my town (Oslo of Norway) and I also had an old pre WWII2 16 mm camera with film cassettes which you could load film into. I realised that double 8 would work like 16mm film and thought - well then I can film the demolition with the camera, in highspeed 64 fps to see the building collapse in slow motion. There was some excitement about if I managed to get the exposure correct - but sure enough, it got completely correct.
However - even though I clearly stated in the prepaid Kodak yellow film envelope, that the film was used as 16mm film, DO NOT SPLIT, both in english and german (The lab was in Lausanne, Switzerland) - they ruined the film by splitting it. I admit that there was a risk to take but figured that not many double 8 Kodachrome films would be developed maybe 10 years after its discontinuation and that there thus would be some manual handling of my film, but no - Kodak disregarded my instructions and my film adventure was gone. 😢
I took a very few short runs of 16 mm film with that camera btw as I once got to buy some Kodak VNF (Video news film) and since, the 16mm camera had a 1.5f lens, it actually was able to record in fairly poor light. The VNF film though, gave very bleak colors, still though it was interesting. From time to time though, there was some trouble with having super 8 mailed in an developed, it happened that it got lost in the mail so I really missed the option to film with (highspeed) E6 film and just have it developed locally. It could take 3-4 weeks to mail in the film to Kodak and have it developed as it had to get all the way to Switzerland.
I had some more regular 8 film, too and it worked nicely to film with it though the sharoness wasn’t too great. Miss to use real film, oddly enough I had more money left for this hobby when I was young, than today where everything had astronomical prices and it would be expensive just to mail the film to a foreign lab or try to get the chemicals which probably are forbidden in my country due to environmental laws.
I would love to find something about cleaning/restoring old regular 8 cameras. Can you share any resources?
Been shooting exclusively on R8 all year!
I found a Quarz 5 8mm film camera in the attic house I just moved into. Would Double 8mm film work in that or do I need to split it first?
Amazingly helpful video for a complete novice btw. Thank you so much for making this 😁
I just shot a video on this format 2 weeks ago! I just started my vintage tech channel and I'm hoping I can get around 500 subscribers by 2021.
Thanks for making great content AND inspiring me to share my interests!
This video is amazing. Just out of the blue I was watching Pumping Iron, and noticed one of the guys using an old camera to video Arnold. For some reason I was interested in old film video at that point. Been getting that warm feeling in the gut when you get excited about using things of old. Found your video and now feel empowered to take on this hobby. Thanks man
Most of my channel is shot in standard 8.
I can confirm that the Bolex P1 is probably of the highest quality 8mm cameras you can get. Been running FPP 8mm film on it for awhile now and the lens is sharp enough to rival most super 8 cameras.
I just bought a Cine Perfex doubled 8 camera, do you have a guide for use
I'm using my old grandparents 8 mm Bolex for years now. Prefer it over my other Super8 stuff
THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU. This video just changed my life.
One of the bigger unmentioned benefits of 8mm film is that the splicing is easier and the final edits are much cleaner . Kodak made projectors that you could overdub magnetically striped film on after development.
I have 3 Revere 8mm cameras that my Grandfather had in the !950s. They still seem to function mechanically. One is a Revere Eye-Matic. The second is a Revere Brownie. The third is a Revere Model Seventy (takes a magazine cartridge).
omg. this was so informative. I never knew all of this! Thanks so much.
And if you want a format unifying the advantages of both Super8 and Standard8: Double Super 8. As the video also explains, Super8 has inherently better image quality. If you purchase a "semi-pro" (100ft) camera like the Canon DS8 or a Bolex H8 Rex, the footage will be absolutely stable, unlike with consumer 25/30feet-only models like the Quartz DS8-3. The latter produce somewhat "jumpy" footage.
Ha! I have that same Bell & Howell 8mm camera that I bought cheaply on eBay two or three years ago and I also have that same or similar Minolta Super 8mm camera that my father bought in the early 80's to make home movies of family trips. Ah, nostalgia...and I'm glad film is still available for shooting and processing. :)
Been shooting super 8 on the Sankyo CME 880, but recently got a Quarz 2x8 and ordered some Fomapan double 8mm. Excited to see how it goes, thanks for the many videos! Been developing at home with some DIY gear, cafenol, etc.. Might switch to dektol, we'll see how it goes!
If you want to slit 16 to 8 use a table saw. It’s super hipster 😆
Very informative!! You're the only go to dude for all my filmmaking information :)
Agh my gosh. Film Photography Project has Regular 8mm and Double 8mm under separate pages on thier website... WHY?
I’m trying to 3-D print a slitter for 8mm film. I sent a few models I found online and one I designed off to a 3D printing service. (3D printers are expensive as hell) Once I get the models back I’ll let you know how they turned out.
Any news on it?
I love my Ciné-Kodak Eight Model 20 from 1932! It is he size of two slices of bread. I look forward to shooting on it in the future.
Brilliant video. I learned more from watching this than from hours of web research. Well planned produced, presented. That's great work. Thanks big time.
I have like 7 different cameras that take regular 8 film, this video has inspired me to shoot some film on them.
How’s it going
Oh man. I recently had a Bell and Howell 414PD go bad on me. I was winding the thing up and didn’t overwind it and ZING! The spring must have disconnected and the handle spun backwards really fast and that’s all she wrote for that camera. I only had it for 1 day and it broke! Atleast I got a case and a handle trigger for my non electric eye B&H 414P model. Murphy’s Law can’t keep away from anything I do. Ever had a camera who’s spring gave out just like that?
Great video! I just bought a tuned-up 1930s Keystone K-8 and am looking at everything I can find. Thanks!
Hello, thanks, what a great video. Thanks a lot for this wonderful work, especially the graphics, very helpful. I took a few rolls of super 8 in a Braun Nizo Professional in 1981, they were perfect, but it was a borrowed camera from a friend, not mine. I changed to video until ten years ago, when I started to collect Canon movie Cameras, about 30 models from Cine Eight of 1957 to Scoopic MN 16mm of 1977 I presume. Now my question: in two of the Standard Eight cameras, produced between 1960 and 1965, there is still some half exposed film inside. I want to expose the second halves. Do you know, what was the most often used film speed and kind of film in those days? I want to guess, what ISO and way of developing might be succesful. On Super 8 its no problem to read it on the cartridge but in case of 8 mm spools it seems to be impossible to find out. Kind regards from Europe, Thomas.
You skipped Double Super 8
It's like regular 8 (16mm wide with sprockets on both sides) but is has Super 8 sprockets and the same image size as Super 8. So once slit you're left with a Super 8 film. There weren't many cameras released but look up the Quarz DS8-3. You can buy them cheap and Fomapan B&W R100 DS8 film is still available.
I found an Olympic k-35 Keystone Turet 8 yesterday. It seems to work. Thanks for the information.
ive been waiting for this!! been finding sweet little 8 cameras at local antique stores and didnt know if shooting on them was a possibility. im definitely more drawn to these over super 8 due to their more rugged mechanical aspect. im gonna have to go pick one up now!! rip my bank account lol
Single 8, and fuji? Haven’t heard that before! Very interested
It was the same format as Super 8 as to frame size and sprocket-hole size but the film, as best I can recall was much thinner and fashioned from a different material than Kodak. By thinner I mean you might be able to get 75 feet of Fuji film on a 50 foot reel, for example. It's been a long time and I never had occasion to use it. It will be interesting to see Noah's presentation on Single 8. I'm looking forward to it.
The Great Depression or the vary sad times seem like the golden age of film tech
I have a Canon Motor Zoom 8 EE E at home and it is working very well, It has the instruction manual with it and the carry case. Do you know anywhere in the UK that sells standard 8 film?
I might be close to getting my maternal grandfather’s Bolex B8L camera which is a “Double 8” one. Will try to calibrate it with a stroboscope to find the sweet spot for true 24 fps.
Are you familiar with the Wittnauer Cine-Twin system! A regular 8mm camera that is also a projector, when set on it’s special base unit. Circa 1958…… they made a 4 turret model, and a Zoom Auto light meter version. The 4th turret lens, was a projector lens. Very nicely made and works well…. Although it doesn’t throw a very big image……
Hello! I have a question, I have a Bell & Howell 323, but I don't have the empty spool, do you know where can I get one?
Loved the video. I purchased a Bell & Howell One Nine camera this summer and shot some footage on it using some expired Kodachrome 25 Double 8mm color film. I'm struggling to find a place that will develop this film, and I was wondering if anyone has any pointers as to where I should send the film to be developed?
you have to do your reseach again because super 8 mm film exist without the cartriges exactly like standart 8 mm as a 16 mm and you had to cut film in half with two super 8 mm perforation of course smaller then standart 8 mm. So not only cartriges film was super 8 it exactly like standard 8 mm and you have to open camera turn film and continue filming on other side. And cameras for this kind of film super 8 mm wthout cartridges was on batteries as well not only for spring. I filmed on this type of format super 8 mm without cartridges double sized myself as teenager
I have Ricoh super 8 410z what film i can use to make it runing. It was supose to be using Kodachrome 40 Type A
Is there anywhere I can find 10 or 16 ASA 8mm film? My Bell & Howell only has those two settings. Unless there's a way to shoot different speed film?
I have a 8mm camera that appears to not exist, everything works on it but when I look it up I get zero results- ZERO. It's called a bell and Howell two thirty
Film rookie here.... my 8mm Keystone K26 has a switch by the aputure that goes between "A" and "N". What is the difference between these two? the "A" appears to put a sepia film behind the lens, and "N" seems to take it away
Don’t ignore 8MM magazines just yet 😎
Hi... Can I record only 2 minutes with double 8 mm film without reversing the reels? I have an 8mm camera and just wanted to test if it works.
I'm waiting for your answer.
If you’re in the UK there’s a company called the Old Film Company that seem to supply standard 8mm film. I haven’t used them myself yet but plan to in the future.
Fam kreidler still shooting 8 mm with canon 318 m and soon with the eumig c3m,best regards!
Thanks so much for this! Just purchased my first 8mm camera and this helped a ton!
Thanks for this video!
Those Bolex 8mm cameras look lovely, maybe I'll get one someday with 100 feet of film...
But in the meantime I'll just have to get a 25 foot reel for my little Revere :P
Another thing that's cool about those 100 foot Bolex cameras is that you can use 25 foot or 50 foot reels as well!
I heard that czechoslovakian meopta cameras are preety good. Many of them have cds lightmeter and electric motor. And they look really good, I love futuristic design of adastra.
So regular 8 is the cheapest motion picture film?
Depends on your location and whether you're ready to put up with shooting in black-and-white only. If you're in Europe and b/w is OK for you, Fomapan's Standard8 will be MUCH cheaper than anything Super8. I myself shoot Fomapan's stock (the 100-feet Double Super 8 variant).
hi～great video～may i ask what is the crop factor of 8mm and super 8mm film to full frame 35mm film？ths～
Finally, I have a bolex H8 and I used your videos on the h16 as a guide, THANK YOU!
Just purchased a Kodak Cine 25. Cant wait to give it a go!!
man I love your channel! thanks to you I am becoming an analog expert. Thank you for real :)
Terrific compilation video of regular and Super 8 film. I'm glad you are curating this medium
Wait, so is regular 8mm a cheaper format then super 8?
Today? I don't think so.
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Why?
Super 8 costs $30-40 for a 50 foot roll while regular 8mm costs $20-30.
And development costs about the same as far as I can see.
Depends on the location and whether you're ready to put up with shooting in black-and-white only. If you're in Europe and b/w is OK for you, Fomapan's Standard8 will be MUCH cheaper than anything Super8. I myself shoot Fomapan's stock (the 100-feet Double Super 8 variant).
@@Toad_Hugger Color negative 8mm cost $10.00 more than Super 8, color reversal costs $20 more than Super 8, B/W reversal and negative can be had for $9 less than Super 8.
Thank you for posting!! I recently picked up a Canon 8mm camera as well as a roll of standard 8mm film from Film Photography Project. I have never filmed on this format before, so it's very exciting. Definitely looking forward to more videos on filming 8mm, especially on how to properly load, because that's what I'd be most worried about when filming.
My camera works only when I have the back door open where the casette goes in.. would that be a problem?
1:25 So funny
There is also double super eight film (ds8 for short) that uses the same aspect ratio and sprocket holes as super 8 but is on a 16mm reel like double 8 and it can only be used in some cameras
this is the video i needed to find. I just picked up a Bolex S1 at an estate sale and i had NO clue what film it was using lol. it does take batteries but i have no idea what type. shes a hefty beast tho
Is it just me or does the old intro beat sound like battle against a machine from earthbound?
I’m curious who processes 8mm now or how I may do so at home on my own (b&w)
The reason we never saw 4 mm was because video-cassette came along when it did.
If it had come along a year later we would have seen 4e mm
I recently found a yashica u-matic at a thrift store for $10 and i really got lucky it runs off batteries and has a great lens! Just need to figure out how to use it
Have you filmed on this camera?
I wanna watch this video all day
Io ho diverse cineprese 8mm anni 60 70 80 e proiettori funzionanti per chi interessa mi contatti
I just found a Kodak escort 8mm for $5 in the box I want to shoot at least one roll
Bravo,thanks a lot for your excellent job
Nice video and keep up the good work! :) I always wondered what the differences were with the different 8mm film types
So is a fugi 8mm film different then everything else?
Very well done video. Thanks!
I suggest the Bell & Howell 414 Director Series....the regular 8mm camera that captured the JFK assassination aka as “The Zapruder Film”
I’ve got a revere model b-61
But can’t see how to load it or if it’s just 8mm or super 8 ?
That model is a regular 8mm camera, but I believe it takes older 8mm magazines. So the film would be inside of a metal casing instead of on a roll. (I mention this at 14:14 ). New 8mm magazines are hard to come by now, but the Film Photography Project offers a solution: filmphotographystore.com/collections/movie-film/products/double-8-film-magazine-8-bundle-film-develop-scan-color-negative-40-iso
wow so helpful! just bought a 8mm camera and a super8 as well! Think i'll start with the super8 for now and maybe try my hand at 8mm down the road!
Awesome! Thanks Noah! Shot Super8 back in the day, but 8mm was my dad's format -- although I now have a few various Kodak Brownie 8mm cameras and two Bell & Howell One-Nine cameras (very similar to the one that you were showing) -- want to get a few different types of double-8 film and shoot it in these cameras and see what I get.
From shopgoodwill *dot* com I also have collected a batch of home movies -- reg 8 and Super 8 -- old home movies and old family photos actually seem to sell really well. I even have some old projectors and 8mm/Super8 editors that I can use to preview the home movies -- it feels sort of like voyeurism, since these are not my families home movies -- I would never post them online if I had them scanned, but who knows what interesting and vintage stuff I might find. And with my current 8mm (not Super 8) equipment I think that I will do the same thing -- shoot "old home movies" -- my kids, grandson -- just family stuff -- get it developed and scanned. So that not only will they look like old home movie content, but they will be on the same medium -- very different than getting digital video of the family. Now with Super 8 I want to shoot "b-roll" for actual video projects -- I think that the format lends itself to that. But 8mm just feels like "home movies" -- you know -- the family vacations -- Grand Canyon, Niagara Falls, the 4th of July parade down mainstreet.
@@aengusmacnaughton1375 Why not post them online? Most likely the people involved are long since gone. There is scholarly value in those images. Can you image how amazing it would be if we could glimpse the goings on in other centuries. To be able to see what was important to those people, and how they lived?
Somewhere in the dissertation archives of Temple University is a thesis on the type of events and subjects chosen by people making (amateur) home videos. I believe I read about that in the 1980s. Unlike todays virtually unlimited (digital) ability to record visual events, back then, one had to be circumspect about when to break out the camera. For Super 8, there was only 3+ minutes on a roll of film.
Is there a place where I can buy 8mm film. Been looking.
the film photography project is the only place that really sells it!
I have/had Alpha and Omega 8mm movie cameras. The Alpha is a Siemens 8R. www.vintagecameras.fr/siemens/type-8r
The Omega was a Beaulieu MAR-8G. www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/vintage-french-beaulieu-8mm-mar8g-1868331551
These were spring motor-driven "built like a tank" cameras and needed little more than CLA to keep going "until they stop making film."
I found out that I'm not a "movie/video maker," since I preferred a great image to a "series of sequential images."
YAY I've been waiting for this video to come out!
regular 8 always loads in the left side and super 8 allways on the right or backside. looking over the camera with the back to yourself. the only camera that loaded 8mm different was the Zeiss Ikon movinette cameras. as for formats, there where experiments with 3,5mm film but that never took off
My Dads 1958 Camera Lives Again The One Held Is Exactly the same one! I really enjoyed the video this is so well explained even if the subject is one I experienced to film friends and family with back in the day using all three 8mm formats explained. Interesting and informative and good fun to watch.
I found a yashica up 1963 for $7 at good will yesterday. There’s a camera repair place near me and a developing place. All in my own neighborhood! There was also a vhs camera I bought for $10!
Anyone know how long it takes to get a roll of super 8 back from pro8 mm....? I sent my first roll in for development weeks ago...... and have heard nothing....I’m starting to get concerned...
Reversal film is the best!
Far superior to S8 IMHO.
Thank you!!!!! I shot some 8mm on a brownie camera and it was fun! But I was confused bc the empty roll said "film on this roll is only half exposed". The film was also labeled as reversal film, but then I was told that was making a positive instead of a negative, and wasn't sure about what the empty roll was saying anymore. This clarifies that!
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this is such a good guide for regular 8mm!
Very helpful! I've just picked up a Bolex S1 Automatic on eBay to take apart and learn about. I didn't realise what the difference was between Super8 and 8mm. I'm learning a lot!
When I heard you talk about avoiding the cartridge models I was so surprised! I have a Kodak cartridge model but the cartridges are literally just a place to put the same reels of film as if it was a normal camera, it’s not that smaller version where you have to completely despoil it. The cartridges you showed seemed like a real pain!