“Ed Davey Has Made A FOOL Of Himself” | Post Office Horizon Scandal
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- Опубликовано: 12 янв 2024
- Leader of the Liberal Democrats Sir Ed Davey, refused to apologise for his part in the Post Office Horizon scandal during an interview after an ITV show pushed the attention of the story into the mainstream. He was asked 10 times if he wanted to apologise but chose not to.
In the interview, Davey, who was the Post Office minister from May 2010 to February 2012, said he was sorry for what happened but didn't take any responsibility which led to further criticism because he turned down a meeting with campaigner Alan Bates in 2010.
Nick De Bois speaks with House Of Commons leader of the Alba Party, Neale Hanvey.
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He's not making a fool of himself, he is making a fool of us ,just resign and go
I can't see how the tories are completely innocent in this considering they have been in power for 14 years
@petersmith2522 totally agree ,but they haven't run around like ed the duck asking everyone to resign ,when at best he was incompetent, more totally useless
When we elect someone that demonstrates that he or she thinks they are above morality and the rest of the ordinary people, it's time to show them where they stand and deslect them.
ED DAVEY AND STAMER have shown they are such people.
@joffey1212 so just forget all the things they have done and just focus on Ed davey I think this is just a desperate attempt by the tories to try win back votes but they are dreaming really they have destroyed our nation and lives and are still doing so they want to be re elected to continue doing what they are
@apiscator444 they all think that what we need as the public is regulation putting in place to control there blatant devious ways
This is why we need a completely new govt, and I don’t mean Labour; we need people that hear the general public and take them seriously, and not just when an election is coming up.
We need a REFORM, your right we all need to think a lot more about who we have been voting for in the past.
We need a Government that respects the people and not themselves
@@apiscator444 Tice is as electable as a cardboard box - he's empty. Shame screeming lord Sutch is dead, he probably would have done a better job than all of them - maybe lord Buckethead can rise to the challenge!
@@adamskyj69Your post is a classic example of the paucity of political intelligence within the UK's voting public. Can you disprove my opinion and give me any Reform pledges they would implement if they were in power? You are perfectly entitled to hold your views but just to trash someone without explanation is just childish. "Empty", empty of what?
Britain needs a new constitution before it can change the present undemocratic party system. Its time to abandon feudalism. The Horizon Scandle is nothing new as it highlights the inequalities in the dysfunctional legal system and conduct of the Judiciary, the Courts, Barristers, Solicitors who imprisoned these people because they were all complicite with the Post Office which is also a Bank. There is no efficient legal aid to help individuals who are victims of False accounting by Banks.
It’s wrong to say Ed Davey has made a fool of himself. He hasn’t made a fool of himself.. He was born that way.
Lolol I love your observation
Ed Davy he is guilty of gross negligence apiology or not, he was not able to cope he should have resigned but he accepted a knighthood for it what a slap IN THE FACE FOR ALL HIS VICTIMS
As a Scot, I have little time for the SNP, but Steven Flynn hit the nail on the head, regarding the responsiveness and effectiveness of our government - alas the SNP government is worse.
Your not suggesting that Scotgov should interfere with copfs independence??
Why not blame those who had both operational and actual governance of staff.
I will have to ask Alex Salmond about that one.@@alanbrown5593
He spoit it by blaming the Sunak Government, which is farcical.
Ed Davey hasn't made a fool of himself. He has always been a fool?
No Post Office director will be prosecuted, no MP - past or present- will lose anything over the scandal. Lessons will be learnt, carry on and pretend nothing happened, await next scandal, will be the usual outcome.
The civil servants and many ministers are in the hands of big companies and the leaders of our organisations.
Don't forget the WEF as well.
All those in Post Office who conspired to this fraudulent should be charged and prison including their lawyers too.
Because that's what would happen to anyone else who did it.
No, only his critics have made a fool of Ed Davey. The Post Office and Fujitsu are the ones to blame.
Sir Absloute Fool aka Ed Davey
He sat back and took the Post Office lies at face value, that was not his job as minister. He would resign if he had one ounce of decency.
He's a politician and his lips are moving . . . ergo he's lying. A minister, in post at the time, who refuses to take responsibility for what happened on his watch. Typical pond life.
Talk TV. Stop gaslighting. This is mere distraction.
All politician's are out to line their own pockets and do very little work for it and we are the daft buggers who pay them the whole system needs an overhaul 😠
UK what a joke
The public can only be outraged about these things when they know about it! Should British journalists do more journalism? I know that some members of the press wrote some articles on the Post Office scandal. If they had been more consistent & the media had been louder in their outrage would action have been taken earlier?
Back in time thirty/forty years ago there were dozens of investigative journalists in both TV and print who would dig into public sector organisations and find/expose scandals. But nowadays there are so few,
Two matters.
My wife and I had the fight of our lives to get paperwork concerned with the birth of our last daughter in which she received some nasty and long lasting health problems. To say it was like getting blood out of a stone would insult the stone. 5 years to get anything out of them. Please don;t tell me the NHS puts their hand up when things go wrong. That's just another politician's lie.
Oh, and the second matter. It says something of our time that an MP cannot see the difference between tax avoidance (legal) and tax evasion (illegal). Got an ISA?
Just more mealy mouthed nonsense from another snake oil salesman who would change his mind at the drop of a hat.
Our little 3 year old granddaughter died on the first day of Lockdown due to the covid hysteria that was in place in the hospital which denied her being taken to the cardiac ward where she was known … despite her mum and dad begging for her to be admitted to the proper ward she was left for 13 hours when eventually she died…..3 years later and the hospital are still continuing their investigations…. I believe it’s dragged out deliberately to exhaust the victims from seeking justice for their cruel behaviour.
There can be no excuse for Ed Davey failing to do his duty. His flippancy and indifference, in spite of that duty, puts him at the top of the list of those now accountable.
And people will still vote for him
Only the dumb vote for the Lib Dummies
Alan Bates should have an OBE.
He should have a seat in the House of Lords. Far more deserving of a peerage than most of the party hacks who get made lords for 'brown-nosing' their party leaders.
Not a great look for the UK legal system. Perception from the other side of the pond [US]. Considering the portrayed attitude / culture of those in positions of authority, in the UK, I'm not surprised at how this played out. Based only on what I've seen in videos & read in comments, coming from people in the UK, it seems that those in authoritative positions, regardless of the insignificance of their office, they function as if they have been given absolute, infallible powers from some all-powerful deity or royal source. Do not question me, I am the law. Regrettably, I see the same behaviors in many business owners over here in the US.
I agree with you but also believe that if it had happened in your country, it still wouldn’t have been uncovered.
There is one rule for the rich and powerful and a totally different one for the rest of us!
Uk is utterly flawed with a sinister underbelly. It's superficially democratic etc.
who was in charge of the post office for the last 13 years ? hint, it wasn't the lib dems
We vote these people in to look after the country look after it's people not set up a bloody private toff institute.they need to get there act together they forget who they work for and that's the problem.
Yes he's a fool but a rich fool even took money from the law firm that was prosecuting Postmasters how low can you get but I suppose a MP most do anything for money.
One has to ask the question as to why some politicians or head of NHS go and work for big corporations soon after. 🇬🇧
The man was a liability to start with. How on earth did he ever get a knighthood?
We need a tea party... EVERYTHING else is pointless as there is no accountability...Why do we have to fund those that actively ignore their duty.
where is the justice for the waspi women.
'Accessible democratic system?' you say.For who? It's accessible to those who want to abuse that system within the Establishment,government and public sector institutions,but it isn't accessible for the 'little' people in society seeking redress or restitution for the wrongs and iniquities they innocently suffer.The Post Office scandal highlights perfectly the imbalance of power and lack of responsibility and accountability of this 'accessible democratic system' and the general public.
Well said!
What about the victims of Scottish Water and its billing agents such as Business Stream. They are charging the public and businesses for the collection and treatment of property water where the service is not performed as such water is being discharged untreated in adjacent water courses?
Does the Minister responsible for Post Office affairs have such a massive brief that he or she can’t be on top of it, all over it, asking probing questions?
exactly what i was thinking, does'nt seem the hardest job
There is something very wrong with 'officials' who, for example, urge Kemi Badenoch NOT to meet Keira Bell. What sort of a system is this?😖
I agree more Dramas should be made about everything like the HMRC the people they need to hear our voices
Didn't mention the grooming gangs, no one in authority in prison for that scandal.
To apologise is admitting fault and no politician will ever do that.. its always someone else's fault
They never admit a mistake during their career, then after retirement write a memoir about all the ups and downs and lessons learnt. It’s ironic. I respect someone who apologises a lot more than someone who doesn’t, so it really is shooting themselves in the foot. It’s a matter of simple honesty and truth.
Well said, Neale. 👏👏
If a politician apologises on behalf of the public then the lawyers will line up for the class action lawsuit. That's just the way the system works - does the taxpayer want to fund this?
Not just yesterday that happened to him a long long time ago
We need people in government who are there to serve the people and not to enrich themselves as career politicians.
Davey wouldn't see victims of the Post Office Horizon scandal when he was minister for Post Office affairs.
If he doesn't think that this is an issue for resignation, why would anyone want to vote LibDem while Ed Davey is in charge of them?
If you make a mistake, apologize for it. Ed Davey has been conspicuous by his absence.
He is not the only politician tarnished by association with this scandal.
Fujitsu should pay compensation in full. Why should the British public be forced to pay up for Japanese corporate failure?
Thinking about Fujitsu's role.
Japan made big investments in this country with the Nissan and Toyota factories.
Was the UK government reluctant to challenge Fujitsu because it feared jeopardising Japanese investment in UK car factories?
How he ever got elected let alone have a title and a position in a minor coalition government???🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Parliament is reactive rather than proactive.
I’m intrigued how the Birmingham six are never mentioned in these debates about British injustice.
Fptp is not the way forward
"Ed Davey has made a fool of himself", well, that's not difficult.
We have an unelected PM who has now appointed an unelected Foreign Sec !
We don''t directly elect ministers.
Irrelevant.
You can include the Covid vaccine injuries in this category with Andrew Bridgen playing the role of Alan Bates.
Government is supposed to protect its citizens. Never happens in the UK
Please keep the pressure up till the guilty are brought to justice .May be we need a partition started it seems the only thing that works
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He should talk in Scottish Parliament and give up on Westminster.
He’s right though.
With Ed Davies is more than this...
Can you as journalists look into more deeply about Ed Davey also being hired by the legal firm HSF (the same law firm that did the Post Office prosecutions.) This was as I understand it was a huge pay for only 6 hours a month which amounted for him by 2021 when he left this role to him receiving over £200K in salary for his "work" for the firm. This huge pay out salary by HSF was for "Advice on Government related matters"... This at best seems a massive conflict of interest as trials continued... and at worse something really corrupt and nefarious going on which needs to be investigated.
He won't even say sorry.(itv interview with that Brand fellow") hit the lib dems at the general election.
Lord Arbuthnot & several MPs tried to get Goverment to listen & answer questions.
Alan Bates had little chance to get a meeting.
Shows how poor the system is & shows it does not work
unless you have a powerful 💰lobby.
Fujisu still gets millions in contracts so someone in power is benefiting.
Post office management got huge payouts & pensions.
Hope justice catches up with them 😈🔥🔥🔥
Sunak and the tories are massive fools,still handing 4billionquidsworth of contracts to the same company.
I wonder what it feels like to be a politician that ends up on the wrong side of history!!
Maybe Ed will tell us one day 🤞
Accountability..must be the watchword surly?...Horrendous injustice on an Industrial scale, Some Questions need Answering!!..
Unpleasant politician.
The reason is the civil service. They cause the problem and have decades of experience in covering it up.
The mind set is endemic in the civil service.
Hanvey keep going of the point was not helpful which is why do Government & Politicians not address the serious issues put in front of them, could it be that they become self-important arrogant, Mr Hanvey was a case in point he felt what he had to say was far more important than answering the question & the question is at the heart of what we the people expect from Parliament
It only works when the politicians have no skin in the game
The media, including Talk TV is negligent in this too. You’re all talking about it now. I’ve been following the enquiry online for over a year and spoken to other “ normal people” who’ve been aware of it too and rightly outraged. Where have you guys been ? There’s nothing I can say in any social media outlook that makes any difference. You could have done and banged on about it until someone took notice.
It’s another example of the bubble both in Westminster….the biggest culprits…and the London centric press who have no concept of life “ out there “
People that are highly paid with responsibility keep their money even if they cause harm to others and owe money to people less well off. Simple, managers and directors must be fined up to 100% of earnings over the time incharge.
Sorry seems to be the hardest word
Unfortunately they don't even act when they have to , instead they organise an inquiry so that they can use the hoary old adage "I don't want to pre-empt the enquiry, It would be wrong to comment while the inquiry is ongoing or if I comment at this stage it could Jepeordize the outcome of the inquiry. This allows them to dodge questions they find awkward.
Too much paper work .too lazy ,hope it will go ay and ignore it ..who knows . only they know .!
When you ask a question of your MP regarding policies you don't agree with, Net Zero for example, your question is passed on to the department involved who give the standard fob-off answer. You may well get a cut and paste from the party manifesto. What I want is the MP to get off their backside filling in an expenses claim and ask some really difficult questions like "How much will it cost?" and "Will it work?" and most importantly "explain it to me so I can prove it to my constituent".
I don't want the answers read from a script designed to keep the plebs quiet
Sunak should resign over thiz
Maybe we have all become too complacent and as long as it doesn’t affect us we don’t bother.
Absolutely spot on
Criminal charges and sentences!
Nobody mentions Andrew Bridgend who did raise issue and got nowhere
Allison Pearson on the Planet Normal Podcast:
‘This really is the kicker, because Ed Davy when he left government was hired as a political consultant by the top law firm Herbert Smith Freehills which was acting for guess who, the Post Office. The Post Office, and that's State money, that £275 grand is State money. He was paid £833 per hour amassing a grand total of £275,000 using the knowledge about the Post Office that he had gleaned during his time as a minister to USE AGAINST THE ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN whose representative he had chosen not to meet. I must say I don't think the reality of that pay out, from the law firm to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has properly landed in the public consciousness yet and I think, as and when it does, his position, and I don't say this lightly, will actually probably become very precarious maybe even untenable’.
Yes let's get horizon doing more programs like this . people need to know they can go public.Horizon would pull in a massive amount of viewers and the ublic can get their big problems on tv .I for one had no idea this was happening.what else is happening on this scale .😢
Horizon commisioned during John Major's term, rolled out in Tony Blairs' term in 2000 (despite failures been brought to his attention) but somehow Ed Davey was to blame over ten years and numerous failures later. Hmmm, is it an election year per chance?
Is this a Talk TV policy, many gentlemen presenters never wear a tie nor look business like. They all look the same. My comment is about the look, and not the presenters. Just an observation.
Aw pee off
Lets blame Ed, and ignore all the other ministers responsible. Wonder which party they're all in.
Well what party are they in
@@davewilliams1513 same party as the commentator. Conservative.
But this started under bliar
@@davewilliams1513 sort of, he did question Fujitsu competence, if you must blame Labour (out of power since when) look towards Lord Meddlesom.
Bh
Im sure I heard somewhere that this current administration had a minister for "levelling up" ??
Maybe we need another minister and fully staffed Govt. ministry, along with all the uber necessary flash trappings that its imperative to allow it be effective to monitor the ministry for "levelling up@
??
No ?
Allison Pearson on the Planet Normal Podcast:
‘This really is the kicker, because Ed Davy when he left government was hired as a political consultant by the top law firm Herbert Smith Freehills which was acting for guess who, the Post Office. The Post Office, and that's State money, that £275 grand is State money. He was paid £833 per hour amassing a grand total of £275,000 using the knowledge about the Post Office that he had gleaned during his time as a minister to USE AGAINST THE ORDINARY MEN AND WOMEN whose representative he had chosen not to meet. I must say I don't think the reality of that pay out, from the law firm to the leader of the Liberal Democrats, has properly landed in the public consciousness yet and I think, as and when it does, his position, and I don't say this lightly, will actually probably become very precarious maybe even untenable’.