No one actually survived the trenches. He was right. My great uncle was in WW1. My grandmother once said,"his body came home alive, but the brother I had died in France" It's why he was so ready to accept it.
a great example is gefreiter Adolf Hitler of the 16th bavarian reserve regiment. Before Hitler would become a regimental runner he fought in the first battle of Ypres as infantry. His regiment went from 3,600 men to 611 and hitlers own company went from 250 to 42. 16% survived out of his company. And this obviously did great toll on his mental health. This isnt trying to jsutify his actions by reasons of mental health but to rather show how such disturbed inviduals may come to be.
@@medievalarmorexptert6827 There is wonderful photographic evidence of the change in uncle Ellwood. I have three pictures of him, and my niece a fourth. The first two are official US Army identification pictures. One a graduation from basic picture and the third was taken May 17 1917, entitled "Flowers for Spring" It was taken at the Canonsburg Pennsylvania railroad station. He gifted my grandmother a bouquet of spring flowers he picked himself. They were about as close as a 19 year old and his 6 year old sister could be.Uncle Ellwood was leaving for Quantico Virginia for further training before shipping out overseas from Norfolk Virginia. The fourth picture tells the tale. Taken Aug 29 1920. It's a family portrait. He is standing away from the rest of his family, hollow eyes, distant expression. My grandmother was never able to get the closeness of her brother again. He didn't connect with the family in real meaningful way. He even moved away to eastern Pennsylvania. Ellwood Cushnie Canonsburg Pennsylvania, US Army, April 1917-may 1919 Muese-Argonne offensive, Field Artillery. Also US "bonus army " protestor.
Imagine what happened to people who fought in both world wars. I know there were plenty of examples in Russia/USSR and I guess the same was in other countries, too.
@@user-kc5lv2oj1y I knew someone who fought in four wars. He first enlisted in 1917, went through WW2 as an officer went through the Korean war at colonel and was a brigadier general for the early part of Vietnam. He was forced to retire during that war. Nearly 50 years of service in conflict. He was not right in the head.
@stevenbaker8184 One of my relatives fought in 3 - WW1, then Russia's civil war and WW2 in low ranks. I haven't seen him young of course, but even as an old man he was quite a special person.
The only reason he was killed off was because of how difficult the actor was to work with. Notoriously late, hungover, not knowing lines, fought with cast and crew constantly, and just made shooting scenes with him incredibly difficult. Even his agent got rid of him after this. I think the writers did the best they could.
Only the dead have seen the end of war. He's free from it now, he was lifted up from the mud....or maybe he was left to stay there for everything he did.
@@purplerider2362 Wishing infinite punishment on someone for something finite. Only humans could come up with a concept so evil. Even the devil couldn't punish someone forever.
Jimmy's end where he is back in the trenches of WW1 is quite the contrast to Richard's end where he is welcomed back by his sister. As Jimmy said, he died in the trenches, so he didn't really have anything afterwards. Richard thinks he died in the trenches too, but found a purpose after he came back. Something that gave him worth as a man rather than a killer.
"You'll get through it. All you gotta worry about is when you run outta booze and your run outta company and the only person left to judge you is you." Some real shit right there.
@@carclain123 I mean, he didn't die irl and the director literally wrote that line in the script so, the chanes are, no, he was actually meant to say the line that was said.
I wish Jimmy and Richard could’ve gotta an episode about themselves in WW1. Like it could’ve been half about Jimmy- half about Richard. Would’ve been cool to see their experience and how Richard’s face was injured etc
Cool to see a man lose his sanity and cool to see a man lose half his face - you see their experiences reflected through who they are, you dont really need to see it on screen to know it happened. Besides theres not much plot development in a frontline setting, its just ppl getting torn to pieces, and this shows very plot driven
It'd be interesting? Maybe a little hamfisted, sometimes it's best to let you wonder but people would obviously interested enough to want an episode like that v much so
@@lemonsqweezy9532 explain how it's dumb mr genius, i detailed what i meant to say. Youre just calling me something and not really saying jack so unless you do stfu
He’s also not in the best spot when knucky shoots the guy too. I’ve noticed there’s a lot of scenes in this show where the shooters goons are always standing right behind the target.
Being that Eli, the one with the shotgun, is the one who started the play to have Nucky killed and then went turncoat again as soon as things went against him? Probably intentional.
"I died in the trench, years back" that's so brutal that even Jimmy himself knows how broken he is. I wonder how different his life would have been if he hadn't joined the army on a whim.
It wasn't in a whim, His most revered teacher tried to rape his mom after taking her for a prostitute, which she was, and he beat him to a pulp. I guess that could provoke his expulsion and most likely he preempted the move.
@@rubenoteiza9261 Nucky would have paid the teacher off to drop the charges, or just moved Jimmy to a different school. Joining the army ruined his life
@@spencermcbride3881 When I was at the university something like that would have meant immediate expulsion, that is why I find it hard to believe that but what do I know. In any case Jimmy preempted any move in his favor.
@@ronaldlymm7248 Were you allowed to physically attack your teacher at the university and beat him into a pulp without any consequence in the U.S. in the 1960s...?
Just rewatched the show. Such a great scene. When you re-watch it you really understand why Nucky did it. Jimmy did nothing but betray his trust from the very start - robbing that shipment near day one, then conspiring with his father and Eli to take over. Then plotting Nuckys assassination… you can’t possibly wipe the slate clean and trust someone like that again. Jimmy left him no choice. It would only have been a matter of time before he got greedy again, and forgot who gave him the opportunity.. again. Liability. But it’s a sad scene and Jimmy was an amazing character.
Nucky was the worst POS of the entire series. He started betraying an innocent and trusting young girl. Gillian and he delivered to the hands of the pedophile monster they called the Commodore. Tommy finally did what in a just world would have been done at the start of the series.
@@rubenoteiza9261 I’m not saying Nucky was a good guy. The whole point of the show is he is absolutely a nasty pos. But strategically, he had no choice but to kill Jimmy. It was kill or be killed with that guy.
@@MarshallDice That is right. They were both POSs and their relationship was toxic. In any case Jimmy was right on one thing, he was an empty shell of a man as the saying goes so when facing death, finally, his reaction was simply a shrug of shoulders. Bof, as the French say.
BTW, did you notice the one thing that shows better than anything else that Nucky was a bastard living in a sterile spiritual desert...? He is the only one among the baddies that got the loyalty of no one, something that even gangsters like Al Capone, Luciano and Meyer Lansky didn't have to say of themselves. Capone had the undying loyalty of his two bros and probably of many others, Meyer and Luciano were totally loyal to each other. Even Van Alden and Rossetti had the loyalty of someone until they showed they were crazy killers. Van Alden's second was willing to kill a fed for him. But no one stood for Nucky, no one even loved him, no even liked him, he was hated by his own father and his own brother betrayed him twice and even the people he helped were ready to stab him in the back like Margaret and Jimmy. In the end he had the worst life of all them.
I love when shows hark back to ww1. Its a largely forgotten war for the most part by many and while WW2 had more victims and the holocaust, in terms of the soldiers life WW1 was arguably worse.
WW1 is worse than probably any war in history. You aren't dying for glorious conquest, or the honor of battle, you aren't fighting for anything. Nothing tangible, nothing real. The soldier lived and died in those trenches purely because the politicians were too stubborn and prideful to do otherwise. Their aristocratic and traditional lens of the world caused the suffering of millions. 12 Battles of the Isonzo, all largely fought exactly the same way, with minimal wins and major losses on both sides. Not only that, those same aristocratic fools would ultimately set the stage for the next war 20 years later, causing another round of destruction and trauma. They essentially paved the way for Socialism to hypnotize the minds of the traumatized people. Germany, Italy (more Syndicalist than Socialist), Russia, China, Spain, almost France. While Europe has recovered economically, Europe still hasn't recovered socially from the WWs, and they probably wont for another century. They are so traumatized by the horrors the Nazis brought onto them they've completely flipped to do everything the complete opposite of the Nazis, which that in itself causes problems because now Europe has a major issue with Migrants, with the majority of them being good upstanding people thankfully, and is basically broken as a culture. They were too scared to do anything in Yugoslavia and now Ukraine because the trauma from the WWs still linger. Ok anyways rant over this is why I disagree with unabomber on that it wasn't the industrial revolution that ruined everything but that WW1 and it's consequences have been a diaster for the human race.
@@bobafett979 no, the mindset of people who were still stuck of times before the industrial revolution caused WW1. There would be no WW1 if the politicians weren't dumb aristocrats.
@@bobafett979 not directly, but rather the scale of the slaughter. Trains and timetables allowed mass mobilisation, machine guns and heavy artillery cut thousands to pieces in what would have taken a Napoleonic era Army days if not weeks.
I liked Jimmy. Was sorry he had to meet such an inglorious end. But I like how they ended that scene.... showing how he was as much a man - if not more - than those who killed him. And we all know how what goes around comes around in the Series finale.
Do not forget the build up to this scene. Jimmy had days to decide how to handle this situation. Right before he left, Richard asked if Jimmy wanted him to come with him and Jimmy said no. Jimmy could have avoided this. He could have saved himself but he accepted it. This is some Tommy Shelby shit right here.
@Agentshadling Fuck off, that was some Tommy Shelby level shit. That was some Clint Eastwood, Gary Cooper level shit. The strong are silent because they know 2 things intimately: 1. They're aware of just how much death is actively coming for them. 2. They know that a man's true power comes from deciding how he would like to die. "Know your enemy and yourself and you need not fear the result of a thousand battles." - Some Tommy Shelby shit
The greatest representation we have of the experience of world war 1 is a painting called L'Enfer (Hell) by Georges Laroux. Two soliders living in a shell hole filled with rotting corpses and green water while the world burns around them. Look it up. These people lived this way for years... you never come back from that.
the trenches scarred America, imagine Europe...many would later wish they died in those trenches, the Spanish flue, the war, the Great Depression, a Second World War, fighting again, their sons dying in WWII, the destruction of their continent, collapse of everything they knew, their entire world - the countless tragedies the lost generation had to endure are astounding and so terribly sad
I was the same way. I almost completely abandoned the show because of how bad Jimmy's death hurt me, but I was too invested at that point and didn't regret pressing on. Truly an amazing story all around. I've never seen another show with so many great "main characters".
Same man, I was so angry about this that I thought id just take a break until I can manage to watch again. that was 5 years ago and I still have not watched the rest of the series. I more or less just forgot about it...
i dont know why people dont talk about how shitty of a person eli is. wanted his own brother to be killed, called the shot where jimmy was pressured into taking it to action. then when eli was confronted by nucky he pinned it all on jimmy. wish jimmy didnt go out like that but in the end his ambitions got him killed, he wasnt built for being a boss, he should have stuck by nucky.
@@redemption882 that whole thing with Jimmy dying and Eli, the one who made the biggest deal about killing Nucky, got off scott free...I stop watching the show after that...
What no one seems to realizes is that actually isn’t nucky first kill but it’s the first kill he thinks about. He was a officer before this and I’m pretty sure they said he never actually pulled his weapon but it’s implied that nucky did and killed people as shieff to fuel his empire til Eli comes into power. That’s why jimmy is laughing cuz it’s fitting if another lackey of nucky takes him out aka the original one but in the end it’s the man himself .
It’s wild to lose the ability to care about living anymore. If fearless but in a way cowardice because we know there’s still some people that need us alive
You are born and die alone. The idea that you need to live or die is just a dream, something most people tell themselves. I know not if that's a gift or curse.
WW1 was truly a catastrophic event for all involved. I'd encourage everyone interested to check out the remake of All Quiet on the Western Front. Great and heartbreaking movie
Rather than a straight adaptation of the much less 'exciting', but IMHO thought provoking, book - the All Quiet done by Netflix seems to take inspiration from a range of sources (I swear some scenes reminded me of Storm of Steel). It makes for a more conventionally striking film, which explores some areas the other adaptations don't, but it also commits the sin of being occasionally exciting - and robs the final scene, and some of the books themes, of their depressing energy.
@@bruceedwards539 I assume you are referring to the Ernst Junger's Storm of Steel. That's a good book. That guy seemed a little crazy TBH or just had a death wish.
They Shall Not Grow Old captures the absolute horrors of WW1. Should be seen by everyone. Absolutely incredible how Peter Jackson brought that old footage to life.
The last season of peaky blinders shouldve been a crossover with boardwalk empire, michael shoulda joined them and they coulda had a international gang war. Both in the same time period and both traumatised WW1 vets
Haven't been legitimately sad to see a character die in a show in a really long time. This one got to me. That's how you know your watching a great piece of work. RIP Jimmy and Richard
Never got to meet my great grandpa but my great grandma told me that after fighting for Italian in ww1 he came back a quiet and confused man. Not the funny and outspoken man that left, but a shallow hull. Empty husk. “No one behind the eyes” as she would say. He died from an aneurysm at 44
That sentiment connects the generations, my grandfather was in the German army, only came back from Stalingrad cuz of a serious wound, but never really came home
I agree they made the show stick out way more than it would have & it definitely made the first two seasons far more interesting than they would have been & I might have lost quite a bit of interest but it still would have been a amazing show altogether regardless because of how many exciting real life based characters were in it. Actually Jimmy & Richard were almost the only two made up characters in the show other than all the females & Eli a few other made up side role gangsters but almost all of the mobbsters we're based on real ppl & they didn't even change they're names either other than Nucky's full name but yeah , the two "brothers in arms" definitely give it more of a different added feel & a more intense & interesting one with the soldier turned gangster/mob leader & the other soldier turned thug/assassin that decided join the criminal underworld & become eternal badasses!!!!!!
Yeah the show tanked at this point. It was so obviously a case of "nobody is worth that much effort". Cept this character and the actor absolutely was.
This scene made no sense. Nucky never bothered to find out what really happened. Nucky is not a man who would believe anyone but himself. Nucky would have not killed James without giving him a chance. This scene really dumbed down the series.
I think it didn't matter because Nucky needed Manny more than he needed Jimmy. Jimmy had been disloyal and Nuck only knew the lies Eli told him. I also think this scene shows that Jimmy knew what was coming. The only way it makes sense is Jimmy had a death wish so he didn't bring a weapon, he didn't tell Harrow to post up near the meeting. So partly it was unavoidable business.
@@JTheTeach but Nucky's not wanting to find out what really happened doesn't match his persona. He's a man who doesn't kill unless it's absolutely warranted or necessary. Jimmy is not just a random guy Nucky can toss away. That said, Nucky probably wanted to believe his brother so that may have been more important, you're right. I guess the dramatization of this particular scene didn't ring true for me. Still, it's a great series.
It was the first time on the show anyway. His real life person which the show was based on is Nucky Johnson who was the Atlantic City politician and somewhat mob guy who ran the city back in the 20s….although there was never any proof that the real Nucky ever killed anyone, at least that’s what historians have written. Still what a show, love how they wove real life people into the story with fictional characters, one of the best shows on tv after the Sopranos
Just noticed now: after Nucky says he's not seeking forgiveness and finishes James off he immediately looks at his brother and goons like he wants their approval
@@Dickiemiller179 Which is the same understanding that two enemies on the battlefield would have. Kill or be killed. Even if they were enemies, they'd be able to look each other in the eyes and understand what it meant to be "dead inside" due to their experiences in the same war.
Jimmy wanted to die. Meyer, on the other hand, not only wanted to live, but he also had ambition..in their business, there's only one guy who's worth not killing.
Jimmy wanted to die. He was a soldier who'd seen and done enough. Meyer was pure gangster ambition with the smarts and vision to appeal to what people wanted most and cast blame where they could easily suspect. Outlived everyone on the show IRL.
Well Jimmy is a fictional character. Yeah he is based on a real guy but that guy was way different and never was in ww1. In fact he was only 12 when ww1 ended
My grandfather’s uncle served in the Great War. My grandmother gave me a bottle opener he always used to carry with him. She told me that at family gatherings, he always sat alone in silence in a chair next to a refrigerator, drinking alcohol, just spacing out. He never married, never had kids, and rarely spoke a word. She simply chalked it up to him being a strange loner, as if it was just an inherent personality defect of his. I said “Grandma... he probably had post-traumatic stress. He was probably struggling with some real demons.” It wasn’t a personality defect, but a very normal and human response to the horrific war that generation experienced. They didn’t understand these things back then. Even my grandmother in the 21st century looked genuinely confused at the notion that witnessing an entire generation of Frenchmen, Germans and Bretons reduced to a red mist floating over the barbed wire fences of no-man’s land might have negative psychological effects. I often wonder who that man was before the war.
Actually it went on 3 more seasons, all of which are great and demonstrate some amazing character arcs and performances. Van Alden, Richard Harrow, Chalky White, Nucky, Eli all had some badass scenes after season 2. Jimmy was great though and I understand why viewers were upset, but the show was still very good after he was killed.
Nah too is right. Boardwalk was never creatively interesting after the end of season 2. The Michael Pitt situation really flexed it's ugly head he was the main on the show. Sure, Nucky was Nucky and Chalky had an increased role, they brought in Gyp. But it never got higher. This was the peak
Sorry, no trenches left by the time the US joined WW1. Two giant offensives from both sides to try to win it ended the war after the Americans got there.
Not entirely. Some of the early divisions 1st and 26th division for example where the first to arrive and they where in the trenches. I have a photo of a 26th division doughboy in the trenches.
Men from ww1 were just different. They saw just about everything bad humanity was capable of. It's funny if you thought you could of scared this man with death. Hell he probably was glad to finally die.
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No one actually survived the trenches. He was right. My great uncle was in WW1. My grandmother once said,"his body came home alive, but the brother I had died in France" It's why he was so ready to accept it.
a great example is gefreiter Adolf Hitler of the 16th bavarian reserve regiment. Before Hitler would become a regimental runner he fought in the first battle of Ypres as infantry. His regiment went from 3,600 men to 611 and hitlers own company went from 250 to 42. 16% survived out of his company. And this obviously did great toll on his mental health. This isnt trying to jsutify his actions by reasons of mental health but to rather show how such disturbed inviduals may come to be.
@@medievalarmorexptert6827 There is wonderful photographic evidence of the change in uncle Ellwood. I have three pictures of him, and my niece a fourth. The first two are official US Army identification pictures. One a graduation from basic picture and the third was taken May 17 1917, entitled "Flowers for Spring" It was taken at the Canonsburg Pennsylvania railroad station. He gifted my grandmother a bouquet of spring flowers he picked himself. They were about as close as a 19 year old and his 6 year old sister could be.Uncle Ellwood was leaving for Quantico Virginia for further training before shipping out overseas from Norfolk Virginia. The fourth picture tells the tale. Taken Aug 29 1920. It's a family portrait. He is standing away from the rest of his family, hollow eyes, distant expression. My grandmother was never able to get the closeness of her brother again. He didn't connect with the family in real meaningful way. He even moved away to eastern Pennsylvania. Ellwood Cushnie Canonsburg Pennsylvania, US Army, April 1917-may 1919 Muese-Argonne offensive, Field Artillery. Also US "bonus army " protestor.
Imagine what happened to people who fought in both world wars. I know there were plenty of examples in Russia/USSR and I guess the same was in other countries, too.
@@user-kc5lv2oj1y I knew someone who fought in four wars. He first enlisted in 1917, went through WW2 as an officer went through the Korean war at colonel and was a brigadier general for the early part of Vietnam. He was forced to retire during that war. Nearly 50 years of service in conflict. He was not right in the head.
@stevenbaker8184 One of my relatives fought in 3 - WW1, then Russia's civil war and WW2 in low ranks. I haven't seen him young of course, but even as an old man he was quite a special person.
The character he was based on was Jimmy Boyd who outlived Nucky Johnson by 4 years
Always comforted me to know the real Jimmy didn't die by his mentor
Ruined the show tbh. Was so well done until that point. May be a personal opinion only but made it sour for me.
Same for me. It clearly demonstrated nucky was a psychopath, which was way less interesting to me.
The only reason he was killed off was because of how difficult the actor was to work with. Notoriously late, hungover, not knowing lines, fought with cast and crew constantly, and just made shooting scenes with him incredibly difficult. Even his agent got rid of him after this. I think the writers did the best they could.
@@jon00769 ya I heard he's a dick , such a fantastic actor...
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Thinking... Allegedly
Makes sense. No wonder it deviated from the source material
Imagine dying and realize you never left the most horrid moment of Your life
Only the dead have seen the end of war. He's free from it now, he was lifted up from the mud....or maybe he was left to stay there for everything he did.
I think that’s supposed to be his hell
@@purplerider2362 Wishing infinite punishment on someone for something finite. Only humans could come up with a concept so evil. Even the devil couldn't punish someone forever.
@@jamesgray5900Jesus loves you. Repent of your sins.
And he was right...as time went on Nucky’s conscious started to haunt him. Which it should have.
Damn right! Nucky treated Jimmy like shit.
@@paradoxdea jimmy never helped himself like robbing rothsteins shipment ha
yeah almost like foreshadowing
crazy
Nucky died as a direct result of this.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 revenge is a dish best served cold
The guy you're about to kill is coaching you through killing him....WOW.
And Jimmy touched on it when he said he died in the trenches, these earlier seasons were so well written.
@@DynastyLuminous46 ... right but this was so gangster, to be so calm, so cool, telling your killer to be cool, relax and kill me.
War ruins you if you let it
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Should have left it at war ruins you. There's no choice about it, war is ruination that is the purpose.
@Luke DS that would say that me an the thousands of veterans are ruined people with no hope and have few options and opertunities
Jimmy's end where he is back in the trenches of WW1 is quite the contrast to Richard's end where he is welcomed back by his sister. As Jimmy said, he died in the trenches, so he didn't really have anything afterwards. Richard thinks he died in the trenches too, but found a purpose after he came back. Something that gave him worth as a man rather than a killer.
You can't scare a man with no fear.
Can’t fear when you’re already dead inside
I thought Owen was the Man Without Fear?
It's not that he has no fear. It's that he learned to fear something so much worse to the point of getting numb
You can’t kill what’s already dead
no shit
Jimmy knew how to die. And that's important, because you only get a chance at it.
Bro that's Grandma's secret recipe death bed talk right there. THAT SHIT U JUST SPOKE SENT CHILLS UP MY SPINE BRO💯💯💯💯
That is a fact. Often we don't get to choose how we go out. If you do, make it good!
You only get one chance to live too
@@cccspwn and most of the time dying seems a better route. Who wants to live in the TikTok Biden supporting world anyways
@@cccspwnno, you get another chance too live every day
"You'll get through it. All you gotta worry about is when you run outta booze and your run outta company and the only person left to judge you is you."
Some real shit right there.
Not to be pendantic but I think he was gonna say "...judge you is yourself."
@@carclain123 I mean, he didn't die irl and the director literally wrote that line in the script so, the chanes are, no, he was actually meant to say the line that was said.
@sloht4061 don't know if you noticed but he got cutoff before he could finish
@@brendanmarriott661 No he wasn't lol
yea man right on.
I wish Jimmy and Richard could’ve gotta an episode about themselves in WW1. Like it could’ve been half about Jimmy- half about Richard. Would’ve been cool to see their experience and how Richard’s face was injured etc
Cool to see a man lose his sanity and cool to see a man lose half his face - you see their experiences reflected through who they are, you dont really need to see it on screen to know it happened. Besides theres not much plot development in a frontline setting, its just ppl getting torn to pieces, and this shows very plot driven
It'd be interesting? Maybe a little hamfisted, sometimes it's best to let you wonder but people would obviously interested enough to want an episode like that v much so
@@Jemi08 that's about the dumbest thing you could've said.
@@lemonsqweezy9532 explain how it's dumb mr genius, i detailed what i meant to say. Youre just calling me something and not really saying jack so unless you do stfu
@@Jemi08 yeah you’re right, all quiet in the western front wasnt cool and had no plot. Thats why its easily one of the best movies of the year🤡
Layering The National over this scene elevates it so much.
Great timing of lyrics, great addition.
Gotta love how shotgun man is covering in a way where he's likely to hit his mates by accident! Powerful scene, though, truly.
he was eli
Improper gun safety
He’s also not in the best spot when knucky shoots the guy too. I’ve noticed there’s a lot of scenes in this show where the shooters goons are always standing right behind the target.
Yeah, horrible crossfire going on there. That spread from that range might fucking hit the other two guys lmao
Being that Eli, the one with the shotgun, is the one who started the play to have Nucky killed and then went turncoat again as soon as things went against him? Probably intentional.
"I died in the trench, years back" that's so brutal that even Jimmy himself knows how broken he is. I wonder how different his life would have been if he hadn't joined the army on a whim.
It wasn't in a whim, His most revered teacher tried to rape his mom after taking her for a prostitute, which she was, and he beat him to a pulp. I guess that could provoke his expulsion and most likely he preempted the move.
@@rubenoteiza9261 Nucky would have paid the teacher off to drop the charges, or just moved Jimmy to a different school. Joining the army ruined his life
@@spencermcbride3881 When I was at the university something like that would have meant immediate expulsion, that is why I find it hard to believe that but what do I know. In any case Jimmy preempted any move in his favor.
@@rubenoteiza9261was u at uni in 1910 ish?
@@ronaldlymm7248 Were you allowed to physically attack your teacher at the university and beat him into a pulp without any consequence in the U.S. in the 1960s...?
His last charge into no man's land, and he braved it straight until the end
Man the end of this is so heavy, makes me well up with tears every time
The end of the show itself is quite ironic and just as heavy. If you haven’t watched it yet, I highly recommend it.
Some people want death badly but won't do it themselves this is legit it
This defines "you can't kill me I'm already dead"
Just rewatched the show. Such a great scene.
When you re-watch it you really understand why Nucky did it. Jimmy did nothing but betray his trust from the very start - robbing that shipment near day one, then conspiring with his father and Eli to take over. Then plotting Nuckys assassination… you can’t possibly wipe the slate clean and trust someone like that again.
Jimmy left him no choice. It would only have been a matter of time before he got greedy again, and forgot who gave him the opportunity.. again. Liability.
But it’s a sad scene and Jimmy was an amazing character.
I was happy at the end of the series when tommy killed Nucky as revenge
Nucky was the worst POS of the entire series. He started betraying an innocent and trusting young girl. Gillian and he delivered to the hands of the pedophile monster they called the Commodore. Tommy finally did what in a just world would have been done at the start of the series.
@@rubenoteiza9261 I’m not saying Nucky was a good guy. The whole point of the show is he is absolutely a nasty pos. But strategically, he had no choice but to kill Jimmy. It was kill or be killed with that guy.
@@MarshallDice That is right. They were both POSs and their relationship was toxic. In any case Jimmy was right on one thing, he was an empty shell of a man as the saying goes so when facing death, finally, his reaction was simply a shrug of shoulders. Bof, as the French say.
BTW, did you notice the one thing that shows better than anything else that Nucky was a bastard living in a sterile spiritual desert...? He is the only one among the baddies that got the loyalty of no one, something that even gangsters like Al Capone, Luciano and Meyer Lansky didn't have to say of themselves. Capone had the undying loyalty of his two bros and probably of many others, Meyer and Luciano were totally loyal to each other. Even Van Alden and Rossetti had the loyalty of someone until they showed they were crazy killers. Van Alden's second was willing to kill a fed for him. But no one stood for Nucky, no one even loved him, no even liked him, he was hated by his own father and his own brother betrayed him twice and even the people he helped were ready to stab him in the back like Margaret and Jimmy. In the end he had the worst life of all them.
That war sent a lot of men home missing parts of their souls.
Translation: "I've ran a bayonet through better men than you".
I love when shows hark back to ww1. Its a largely forgotten war for the most part by many and while WW2 had more victims and the holocaust, in terms of the soldiers life WW1 was arguably worse.
Far worse. There was no evil, just death and how to cope with that reality.
WW1 is worse than probably any war in history. You aren't dying for glorious conquest, or the honor of battle, you aren't fighting for anything. Nothing tangible, nothing real. The soldier lived and died in those trenches purely because the politicians were too stubborn and prideful to do otherwise.
Their aristocratic and traditional lens of the world caused the suffering of millions. 12 Battles of the Isonzo, all largely fought exactly the same way, with minimal wins and major losses on both sides.
Not only that, those same aristocratic fools would ultimately set the stage for the next war 20 years later, causing another round of destruction and trauma. They essentially paved the way for Socialism to hypnotize the minds of the traumatized people. Germany, Italy (more Syndicalist than Socialist), Russia, China, Spain, almost France.
While Europe has recovered economically, Europe still hasn't recovered socially from the WWs, and they probably wont for another century. They are so traumatized by the horrors the Nazis brought onto them they've completely flipped to do everything the complete opposite of the Nazis, which that in itself causes problems because now Europe has a major issue with Migrants, with the majority of them being good upstanding people thankfully, and is basically broken as a culture. They were too scared to do anything in Yugoslavia and now Ukraine because the trauma from the WWs still linger.
Ok anyways rant over this is why I disagree with unabomber on that it wasn't the industrial revolution that ruined everything but that WW1 and it's consequences have been a diaster for the human race.
@@AnonYmous-gg9oq industrial revolution is what led to WW1 my friend
@@bobafett979 no, the mindset of people who were still stuck of times before the industrial revolution caused WW1. There would be no WW1 if the politicians weren't dumb aristocrats.
@@bobafett979 not directly, but rather the scale of the slaughter.
Trains and timetables allowed mass mobilisation, machine guns and heavy artillery cut thousands to pieces in what would have taken a Napoleonic era Army days if not weeks.
This made me cry. Just a flood of memories. I haven’t cried like this in a long time.
a man of the trenches i see
It was the song wasn't it
@@Lugh444Yes. It was.
@@thejediknight203 Crybaby 😂😂
I liked Jimmy. Was sorry he had to meet such an inglorious end. But I like how they ended that scene.... showing how he was as much a man - if not more - than those who killed him. And we all know how what goes around comes around in the Series finale.
Live by the sword die by the sword. He wasn’t a good person
@@darraghkelly1744 None of them were. LOL! Gotta take the lesser of the evils.
They all died besides Eli lol
I love how relaxed Jimmy is.
probably all that heroin the actor was on.
Great choice using The National for this scene. Also, his last words are very accurate.
Thats just the way it is, when you have allready died on the inside you dont really care about dying once more
Do not forget the build up to this scene. Jimmy had days to decide how to handle this situation. Right before he left, Richard asked if Jimmy wanted him to come with him and Jimmy said no. Jimmy could have avoided this. He could have saved himself but he accepted it. This is some Tommy Shelby shit right here.
Ruined it by bringing up that show
@Agentshadling Fuck off, that was some Tommy Shelby level shit. That was some Clint Eastwood, Gary Cooper level shit. The strong are silent because they know 2 things intimately:
1. They're aware of just how much death is actively coming for them.
2. They know that a man's true power comes from deciding how he would like to die.
"Know your enemy and yourself and you need not fear the result of a thousand battles." - Some Tommy Shelby shit
By the order of @@Agentshadling
Jimmy a hundred times better than Tommy cheeselby
this is really well done mate, love the national
I thought that voice sounded familiar. Admittedly, I stopped listening to The National after Boxer though.
That song adds a lot to an already memorable scene.
Jimmy isso alpha he's calming down his killer telling him to breath, what a guy lmao
The greatest representation we have of the experience of world war 1 is a painting called L'Enfer (Hell) by Georges Laroux. Two soliders living in a shell hole filled with rotting corpses and green water while the world burns around them. Look it up. These people lived this way for years... you never come back from that.
This song goes perfect with this scene
What song is it?
@@legatusmaximus7432 the National-About Today
@@petergriffin6260 cheers
Honestly. The show should have used it!
I'm happy his son gave Nuck the fate he deserved. James was the best character, second only to Richard.
Hmm, Lucky and Capone were my favorites after James.
James deserved what he got too. He practically forced Nucky to have to kill him with his antics and he knew it.
@@22steve5150 yeahh, but Nucky us like the most unlikable dick there is.
Those gangsters will never know what it feels like to be in those trenches💯 That's all I'ma say!!!!!!
Besides Capone but that's it
@@azothdarktube he’s a fraud lol. stolen valor
Subhumans of the lowest in society. Gangsters are pests
@@azothdarktube I'm quite sure Capone never served
the trenches scarred America, imagine Europe...many would later wish they died in those trenches, the Spanish flue, the war, the Great Depression, a Second World War, fighting again, their sons dying in WWII, the destruction of their continent, collapse of everything they knew, their entire world - the countless tragedies the lost generation had to endure are astounding and so terribly sad
This edit is brilliant.
All of his fear died in France.
Killing a veteran must be one of the most shamefull and pity thing
I'm pretty sure this was the last episode I watched. My heart just wasn't in it anymore.
I was the same way. I almost completely abandoned the show because of how bad Jimmy's death hurt me, but I was too invested at that point and didn't regret pressing on. Truly an amazing story all around. I've never seen another show with so many great "main characters".
Same man, I was so angry about this that I thought id just take a break until I can manage to watch again. that was 5 years ago and I still have not watched the rest of the series. I more or less just forgot about it...
I hung on with the series until Richard's death..after that, it just wasn't worth it.
Tommy Darmondy abruptly brought this moment around full circle in the shows finale
i dont know why people dont talk about how shitty of a person eli is. wanted his own brother to be killed, called the shot where jimmy was pressured into taking it to action. then when eli was confronted by nucky he pinned it all on jimmy. wish jimmy didnt go out like that but in the end his ambitions got him killed, he wasnt built for being a boss, he should have stuck by nucky.
Word...I don't know how many times I wished it was eli who was killed that night...what a crappy character....
Real shit I was pissed when Jimmy died,eli like a fucking coward denied everything when nucky confronted him about if he had any part of it.
@@redemption882 that whole thing with Jimmy dying and Eli, the one who made the biggest deal about killing Nucky, got off scott free...I stop watching the show after that...
@@bceaser1 so did I! Pisses me off
Jimmy was my favorite character along with Richard but Jimmy was just too broken. There was no hope
What no one seems to realizes is that actually isn’t nucky first kill but it’s the first kill he thinks about. He was a officer before this and I’m pretty sure they said he never actually pulled his weapon but it’s implied that nucky did and killed people as shieff to fuel his empire til Eli comes into power. That’s why jimmy is laughing cuz it’s fitting if another lackey of nucky takes him out aka the original one but in the end it’s the man himself .
It’s wild to lose the ability to care about living anymore. If fearless but in a way cowardice because we know there’s still some people that need us alive
You are born and die alone. The idea that you need to live or die is just a dream, something most people tell themselves. I know not if that's a gift or curse.
Jimmy: I died in that trench blah blah sad sad war stuff
Nucky: “…so anyway, I started blasting”
😂😂
Fight a war to be a hero, come back home to be a criminal
And guys like Nucky will never get forgiveness either.....and their conscience will torment them forever
Pretty sure that’s an unfinished war memorial too. Fitting place for Jimmy to find peace.
WW1 was truly a catastrophic event for all involved. I'd encourage everyone interested to check out the remake of All Quiet on the Western Front. Great and heartbreaking movie
That remake is trash. It’s just gore porn. Everyone do yourselves a favor and watch the original. Better yet read the book.
Rather than a straight adaptation of the much less 'exciting', but IMHO thought provoking, book - the All Quiet done by Netflix seems to take inspiration from a range of sources (I swear some scenes reminded me of Storm of Steel). It makes for a more conventionally striking film, which explores some areas the other adaptations don't, but it also commits the sin of being occasionally exciting - and robs the final scene, and some of the books themes, of their depressing energy.
@@bruceedwards539 I assume you are referring to the Ernst Junger's Storm of Steel. That's a good book. That guy seemed a little crazy TBH or just had a death wish.
They Shall Not Grow Old captures the absolute horrors of WW1. Should be seen by everyone. Absolutely incredible how Peter Jackson brought that old footage to life.
or the colorized Documentary " They Shall Never Grow Old"
I miss Jimmy!!!!!!
Poor Jimmy
R.i.p. jimmy darmody
The last season of peaky blinders shouldve been a crossover with boardwalk empire, michael shoulda joined them and they coulda had a international gang war. Both in the same time period and both traumatised WW1 vets
I died in the trenches,man that killed me,
The beginning of the end for Nucky, in more ways than one.
Haven't been legitimately sad to see a character die in a show in a really long time. This one got to me. That's how you know your watching a great piece of work. RIP Jimmy and Richard
Omar Little
Never got to meet my great grandpa but my great grandma told me that after fighting for Italian in ww1 he came back a quiet and confused man. Not the funny and outspoken man that left, but a shallow hull. Empty husk. “No one behind the eyes” as she would say. He died from an aneurysm at 44
This scene was such a gut punch
Best scene in the entire series
You come home physically but never mentally
That sentiment connects the generations, my grandfather was in the German army, only came back from Stalingrad cuz of a serious wound, but never really came home
If harrow wasn't left after Jimmy I would have lost interest in this show
I wanted Harrow to avenge jimmy but then there would be no show
I agree they made the show stick out way more than it would have & it definitely made the first two seasons far more interesting than they would have been & I might have lost quite a bit of interest but it still would have been a amazing show altogether regardless because of how many exciting real life based characters were in it. Actually Jimmy & Richard were almost the only two made up characters in the show other than all the females & Eli a few other made up side role gangsters but almost all of the mobbsters we're based on real ppl & they didn't even change they're names either other than Nucky's full name but yeah , the two "brothers in arms" definitely give it more of a different added feel & a more intense & interesting one with the soldier turned gangster/mob leader & the other soldier turned thug/assassin that decided join the criminal underworld & become eternal badasses!!!!!!
Yeah the show tanked at this point. It was so obviously a case of "nobody is worth that much effort". Cept this character and the actor absolutely was.
I almost completely abandoned this show after this scene, but I was too hooked and picked it back up. One of those rare shows that has stuck with me.
I did lose interest...I'm thinking about buying the other seasons only because so many people asked me watch it.
This song takes away from the scene
The exact moment I turned against Nuky
This scene made no sense. Nucky never bothered to find out what really happened. Nucky is not a man who would believe anyone but himself. Nucky would have not killed James without giving him a chance. This scene really dumbed down the series.
I think it didn't matter because Nucky needed Manny more than he needed Jimmy. Jimmy had been disloyal and Nuck only knew the lies Eli told him. I also think this scene shows that Jimmy knew what was coming. The only way it makes sense is Jimmy had a death wish so he didn't bring a weapon, he didn't tell Harrow to post up near the meeting. So partly it was unavoidable business.
@@JTheTeach but Nucky's not wanting to find out what really happened doesn't match his persona. He's a man who doesn't kill unless it's absolutely warranted or necessary. Jimmy is not just a random guy Nucky can toss away. That said, Nucky probably wanted to believe his brother so that may have been more important, you're right. I guess the dramatization of this particular scene didn't ring true for me. Still, it's a great series.
Wow, the song actually matches the scene perfectly; in both timing and emotion. Well done.
In the end, Jimmy wasn't nearly as smart as he thought he was.
I wonder if this was the first time Nucky pulled the trigger on someone? Definitely not the last.
It was the first time on the show anyway. His real life person which the show was based on is Nucky Johnson who was the Atlantic City politician and somewhat mob guy who ran the city back in the 20s….although there was never any proof that the real Nucky ever killed anyone, at least that’s what historians have written.
Still what a show, love how they wove real life people into the story with fictional characters, one of the best shows on tv after the Sopranos
If it wasn't the first person, it was the first person he killed that he loved.
Can't even hear the dialogue over the music.
The same way he killed,..was the same way he died. The series was very circular like that.
i can relate to this had stuff keep happening over and over its like you end up empty inside tired of fighting
When you run out of booze & you run out of company
"I am not seeking forgiveness!"
that is what's wrong with people right there ...
Just noticed now: after Nucky says he's not seeking forgiveness and finishes James off he immediately looks at his brother and goons like he wants their approval
Tommy Shelby and Jimmy Darmody would have been friends, or at least would have had an understanding.
No they wouldn't. They're too similar in their hot headed behaviour, their quest for power, they would have betrayed one another.
@@Dickiemiller179 Which is the same understanding that two enemies on the battlefield would have. Kill or be killed. Even if they were enemies, they'd be able to look each other in the eyes and understand what it meant to be "dead inside" due to their experiences in the same war.
To bad Jimmy wasnt Meyer or Nucky would've let him live for the umpteenth time! Smh
Jimmy wanted to die. Meyer, on the other hand, not only wanted to live, but he also had ambition..in their business, there's only one guy who's worth not killing.
Jimmy wanted to die. He was a soldier who'd seen and done enough. Meyer was pure gangster ambition with the smarts and vision to appeal to what people wanted most and cast blame where they could easily suspect. Outlived everyone on the show IRL.
Well Jimmy is a fictional character. Yeah he is based on a real guy but that guy was way different and never was in ww1. In fact he was only 12 when ww1 ended
Thanks man!
Yeah dude your welcome
This world, this life, is nothing but a pile of shit.
Exactly brother
Young men shoved into a war that turned their hearts to shields their wills a sharp spear and their mind a steel box
Series wasn't the same after season 2. Part of the show died with him.
This show did death scenes so well. Kinda think it should've ended here in season 2, but this is still a great scene.
My grandfather’s uncle served in the Great War. My grandmother gave me a bottle opener he always used to carry with him. She told me that at family gatherings, he always sat alone in silence in a chair next to a refrigerator, drinking alcohol, just spacing out. He never married, never had kids, and rarely spoke a word.
She simply chalked it up to him being a strange loner, as if it was just an inherent personality defect of his. I said “Grandma... he probably had post-traumatic stress. He was probably struggling with some real demons.” It wasn’t a personality defect, but a very normal and human response to the horrific war that generation experienced.
They didn’t understand these things back then. Even my grandmother in the 21st century looked genuinely confused at the notion that witnessing an entire generation of Frenchmen, Germans and Bretons reduced to a red mist floating over the barbed wire fences of no-man’s land might have negative psychological effects.
I often wonder who that man was before the war.
Show was over after this.
Season 3 was dope
Actually it went on 3 more seasons, all of which are great and demonstrate some amazing character arcs and performances. Van Alden, Richard Harrow, Chalky White, Nucky, Eli all had some badass scenes after season 2. Jimmy was great though and I understand why viewers were upset, but the show was still very good after he was killed.
Nah too is right. Boardwalk was never creatively interesting after the end of season 2. The Michael Pitt situation really flexed it's ugly head he was the main on the show. Sure, Nucky was Nucky and Chalky had an increased role, they brought in Gyp. But it never got higher. This was the peak
Can someone tell me who is singing in the background? It's perfect.
About Today by The National
I am reminded every time I watch something from HBO that I'm hearing impaired.
"I told you. You can't be half a Gangster".
Only the Warrior ending deserves this song.
Why is that
@@alexmercer5414
Watch the movie.
@@b.g.3073 yes the movie is good but still this fits with it too thats just my opinion
That movie is awesome
Everyone's end is near.
All death is certain
Coaching your assassin through your own execution is about as cold assed gangster as you can get.
This show was the American Peaky Blinders. I love both of the series.
In the bleak midwinter, I love all this shows.
Never seen the movie/series. But this scene has made it my favorite series already.
Just found out the soundtrack isn’t in the original… glad I saw this one first.
🥺 💔 the song goes so well with this scene
I'm glad it was you...
When he says 'The Trench' I always assumed he was just talking about his mom lol
He looks like john marston when falling over
This scene destroyed me in more ways than one.
Che terrore uscire da quelle trincee😢😢😢😢SENSAZIONI INIMMAGINABILI
its funny nuck says he had everything going for him but he wasn't the one drafted
Sorry, no trenches left by the time the US joined WW1. Two giant offensives from both sides to try to win it ended the war after the Americans got there.
Not entirely. Some of the early divisions 1st and 26th division for example where the first to arrive and they where in the trenches. I have a photo of a 26th division doughboy in the trenches.
When nuck says i am not seeking forgiveness. He knows soon he will
Men from ww1 were just different. They saw just about everything bad humanity was capable of. It's funny if you thought you could of scared this man with death. Hell he probably was glad to finally die.
To survive No Mans Land in WW1...... I can't imagine what he sees in his dream.