Broad Street Subway Fantrip 1994 great horn/whistle
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- Short clip. The battery died, and/or I just wasn't in the mood to record much. This is all I have from that day. Perhaps another video will surface. This may have been the last or nearly last fantrip with the three museum cars.
The REAL Broad Street Sub. Brill Cars 1928-1936. Grimey but mad character; The 1970's & early 80's mirrored our trains in Philadelphia back then. Childhood memories.
Hello to all the nice ladies and fine gentlemen in Philadelphia! Someday this New Yorker (who now lives in Southern Nevada) hopes to visit what looks like a really neat city you've got there. These subway cars remind me of the classic BMT Standards that served the B-Division of the New York Subway between 1915 and 1971. I only wish I could've been on this fan trip with you!
You weren't the Flushing kid who rode the entire system way back when the fare was a fair fifteen cents?
The last BMT Standards were retired in August 1969. I am a New Yorker who grew up in NYC during the Mad Men era.
@@judyfreed4555 Oh, no, but I wish I were, LOL!
I remember that train as a little boy! It had a distinctive sound as it left every station...
I grew up in Mt.Airy and saw these on the Broad St line back in the early 70's. I loved the sound of them pulling out of the station GGrrrrrrrrrrrr and the unique sound of the air compressor that could be heard when the train was standing still at the station DupaDupaDupaDupa. Sorry people for the sound effects, I just have such fond memories of the Broad St line. Old school Philly is where my heart is!
I grew up in Philly in the 50's and 60's and loved the sounds of the BSL. This clip included that great whistle, but unfortunately not the "GGrrrrr" that you mentioned---to me, it was a low, vibrating hum that increased in pitch as the train pulled out. I've been searching for that sound, and this came close...but no cigar. Cheers!
That sounds a lot like NYC's R9s - same acceleration, same air compressor. It's a shame SEPTA just let these cars sit and rot, though.
@@jeff91199 The bad news is that all of the maintenance mechanics that worked on these trains either died or retired and the younger mechanics weren't interested in maintaining these trains. The good news is that SEPTA still has 4 of these cars: two of the original 1928 Brill cars (one of which are boarded up, the other in its original red, yellow and green paint scheme), one 1936 Brill Bridge Line (now part of PATCO) car (PATCO also has a 1936 car, but in its original blue, silver and white paint scheme) and one 1938 Pressed Steel car. While they may not either run again on their own (a 1982 Kawasaki car can be on each end to pull these four cars), but they can at least be restored cosmetically to their original look, both inside and outside and be displayed year round. Since there seems to be no color photos of the 1938 cars in their original paint scheme, I'm guessing that they were either red or orange with a white roof and either a black, blue or brown stripe with "BROAD STREET SUBWAY SYSTEM" and the car no. in white lettering.
@Zymeer Boulden we don't gave a fuck
This was indeed their very last trip. I rode in the Bridge car for most, if not all of the trip, as I was partial to their more comfortable seats. Going to my favorites.
ah, i loved those old septa subway cars. loved the cushion seats, (although many times they were ripped and torn) some times you got the car with wicker seats, loved the poles and straps or grab bars in the middle of the cars and along the ceiling edges to support yourself while in motion. loved the heat these cars cranked out in the winter, loved the colors inside, brick red with that unique green, loved every time the train would start up it had a unique noise through the gears, and you heard the wheels make that grinding noise, and when the train was up to speed and tripped the third rail, all the lights go out and the emergency little 15watt bulbs in by the doors would come on. loved the windows that opened that allowed for the deafening noise inside the cars, and above all else, l LOVED THE ONE HEADLIGHT ON THE LEAD CAR, AND THAT HAUNTED DROWN OF THE WHISTLE TRAVELING THROUGH THE TUNNELS.
then in 1982/83 we were introduced to the new fancy kawasaki cars with the hard orange seats and impersonal stainless cars. no windows that could go up, and a list of things you were no permitted to do or carry onto the train. a loud speaker to announce your next stops, as if those that have been riding the rails for a lifetime would have already know.
there was a charm and uniquely philadelphia about the old cars. it would be nice to have these cars maybe run the tracks just a few times a year on special events. my memories of all the sporting events, going to temple, going to work, and everything else in between is tied to the subway and these old cars. tasker morris was my main starting point. for as much as the subway has its smells, goof balls, rats, and trash, you come to love all of it after a while. anyway the price of the fare was for me anther adventure on the rails. my most memorable exchange on these classic cars came in the late 70's when I was going to work and and elderly black man and I just struck up a conversation. at the end, he said you will always remember two complete strangers talking. i left at my stop and never saw that kind man again, but i love him and remember that time on these cars........
thanks for uploading this clip it brought back some great memories.
Unfortunately, the mechanics who worked on and maintained them over the years have since either retired, died or both. The younger generations of mechanics had no interest in maintaining them, so they sit isolated in the Fern Rock Train Yard. What SEPTA can do apply waterproof paint to each car in their respective original colors (green, yellow and red for the B I s, blue, white and silver for the B III s and red, white/silver and black for the B II s). They could at least restore the interior of each car to their original colors and material and have the cars on static display, like they have the postwar PCC trolley at SEPTA Headquarters. At least, let the interior lights be on.
@@libertubey2199 thank you so much for the reply after all these years. are these cars still at fern rock station?! it would be a part of philadelphia history to at least salvage many of these cars and restore them to their original beauty as a static display with the lights on. I would imagine train buffs would jump at the opportunity to add one to their collection if they had the space and ability to transport it.
There was just something special about riding those old cars. I remember being on a car (i think #168) on a sunday going to an eagles game and on the very same car the next day going to temple. same car but total different atmosphere.!
@@robertskeets5123 Yes, these cars are still at Fern Rock. I am told that SEPTA is finally starting to let go of the National Lines mindset and are embracing rail transit (they have recently laid down new tracks in Port Richmond for the Route 15 trolley). So, as soon as this current situation we find ourselves in is over, the least we can do is suggest this to them.
I have a piece of history that will weird you out. At Fern Rock when they were putting a train of these to bed,David Ruffin was found ODing in one of the cars. Up to about 1990or so septa used them as fill ins and trippers. Those cars have been so worn out that they are almost to worn for MOW work.
I forgot to mention that Patco has a set of them as work trains at Lindenwold and you can see them from the platform. There is also a couple of them at the Kennebunkport trolley museum and about a dozen lingering around Fern Rock used for training and MOW use.
The middle car of the train resembles the BMT Standard subway car in NYC from 1914 ..1922. Except for the curved
railroad roof it had a Stillwell roof.
My first experience with riding the Subway (any subway, for that matter) was on the Broad Street Line, riding from Walnut-Locust (after transferring from the PATCO train from New Jersey), to Columbia (now Cecil B. Moore) Station. It was in the Spring of 1982, I was living in Cherry Hill and attending Temple University, and decided to take the train to school rather than drive. I remember looking at a mural on the wall at Walnut-Locust which commemorated the 50th anniversary of the Broad Street Subway (so the mural was 4 years old and had the dirt to show it), seeing the old subway cars in the picture, and thinking, "Wow, I would not want to ride some old thing like that!" Then, a minute or two later, I hear a pathetic whistle, then a fingernails-on-the-blackboard screeching noise, and around the bend comes this older-than-dirt train. The doors pop open, I step inside to a filthy car, with lights that were dimming as the air compressor ran, wondering if I would make it to my destination alive. The doors slam shut and then. . .the grinding of the motors as the train started, the screeching of the wheels around the curves, the interior lights flashing off-and-on, the screaming of the traction motors as the train got up to speed, and a clientele that--as an 18-year-old kid from the Jersey Shore--I certainly did not fit in with, made me glad that I used the bathroom before leaving home--otherwise I would have stained my underwear! I was scared ----less!
Boy, was I glad when they got the Kawasaki cars in 1983(?), for that was a breath of fresh air to me.
Many years later, now I miss those old cars, but even if INEPTA would get the few remaining Brill cars back in service to run fan trips, I would not be able to ride them because I live in Chicago now. So thanks for uploading this video--it brings back some memories!
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I remember riding these cars back in the early 70s. I didn’t know it at the time but they were more modern than the rolling stock in NYC!,and the cars in New York were alot newer! I still have a soft spot for them even now!
1994 was when spring garden started to serve express.
Thanks for bringing back the memories! The horn was the best part of the ride! The only downside were the numerous electrical fires that would interrupt service. Though it never occurred when I rode them, I was scared to death until I got to my destination!
The air horn was really a air whistle. The hoot sound was exactly the same as PRR commuter trains from Washington D.C. to NYC on the main line. Also from 1900 till 1966 the Long Island RR was owned by the Pennsy and shared the same air hoot whistle and carbody type. The air compressors controlled the air whistles, brakes and doors which ran uncompressed air. I grew up in NYC 1950s till 1980s NYC by the LIRR main line to Penn station, Manhattan.
I was on that fantrip. I had long hair back then. Good thing the City owns the BSL and the cars, otherwise, SEPTA would have scrapped them a long time ago.
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Wow that's pretty awesome love it I wish Toronto had old subway trains like that.
But they have old Toronto trolleys in museums.
this is the train i grew up riding.. WOW!
It's been 50 years ago since i first rode on these trains l got on at City Hall and got off at Olney Those trains bear quite a resemblance to the R1/9 and the Low Vs
Loved the older ones and that humming sounds, as they approached the station. I use to love watching them leave the station and go into darkness, as a kid. I will never forget that sound
We can still see these trains today but it doesn't run anymore
I saw these type of subways at Illinois Railway Museum!
The Kawasaki cars that replaced these were an out of the catalog product,Cleveland has the exact same cars in their subways,except theirs have pantographs instead of third rail shoes.
There seem to be a lot of "big" dudes on that train...
Great footage, these are some cool cars.
@0:53 Is that Newman walking in the jacket?? LOL!!
Awesome. It's too bad the city is letting those three cars, along with another one rot at Fern Rock yard. Hopefully one of these days, that changes.
I'm so old i remember the late George Metz telling me The B-1's and -2's were two-motor cars and that the Bridge cars were foru-motor.
And PTC / SEPTA went to significant lengths to keep bridge cars in their own trains.
The types did not play nice coupled together. Like young kids tussling.
I mean their horns sound pretty amazing.
Why not say 'Their horns sound pretty amazing"?
Yeah, their horns sound pretty amazing.
Whistles.
It is an air whistle with the famous hoot sound like the old Pennsylvania R.R electric commuter trains and the Long Island Railroad electric commuter trains in NYC.
2:53 Harry Pinsker
I wish they did like New York and ran the Train on holidays at least I would love to get a picture on that train or while it's in motion before it rots and decay in the yard
Emory flicklife The problem was that the older maintenance workers who worked on the 1928 North trains, 1936 Bridge trains and 1938 South trains either died or retired. The younger maintenance workers didn't want to learn from the older ones how to maintain them. So now, they sit in the Fern Rock train yard abandoned. If we can write to SEPTA and ask them to at least restore both the interior (with working lights and original local and national advertisements from 1928, 1936 and 1938, respectively) and paint each car in their original colors and have them displayed at, say Penn's Landing, all year long, we will continue to keep the legacies of these cars alive.
Man I wish those old BSS cars still ran
Express service was added to the Broad Street Line in September 1959 using a newly constructed set of express tracks between Erie, and Lombard-South. Allegheny, North Philadelphia, Susquehanna-Dauphin, Cecil B Moore, and Fairmount were bypassed by the new express trains. While additional local trains were added to supplement service. Express services were extended to Olney, later on. Logan, Wyoming, and Hunting Park became local stops.
Express service was revised on the Broad Street Line in 1983, with Broad-Ridge Spur shuttle trains being revised to travel along the express tracks, and skipping all stops besides North Philadelphia.
And express trains being extended to Olney.
I miss these days. Back when you could record in public and people would smile at the camera. No fuss. 9/11 changed everything.
That train ran express to Walnut-Locust.
So now you youngans know what an MP-54 whistle sounds like cause these cars' whistles were identical to those.
good ol B-2s
Nice recording.
Oh, if only they had kept a set of the Almond Joy M-3 cars on the El and did this once in a while...
Sigh.
nice!
If you look at the Kawasaki cars they do pay homage to the classic cars they replaced
0:59 is that Newman?
Why did the lights go out inside the car? Is that common? I rode the Broad Street subway for a few weeks in 1975 when I was taking a class at Temple. I only remember graffiti and filth on the trains and particularly at the stations such as Spring Garden and Race. And I distinctly remember dimming and flickering lights inside the cars.
Yes when both third rail contact shoes are simultaneously out of contact with the third rail, the main interior lights will extinguish.
The order of cars (pulling into the platform) is B-2, B-3, B-1? Thanks
1:10 Holy crap! Was razor wire really necessary?
That lot is a public and employee parking lot, the gate is there to prevent people from jumping on the tracks and heading in the tunnel the barb takes that to the next level
Do they keep that in the yard at fern rock & is it still there????????
Marlo Stanfield yes it is
What cars are these?
B-2s
B-I (North Broad Car), B-II (South Broad Car), B-III (Delaware River Bridge pre-PATCO Cars).
They're being replaced by new Kawasaki B-4s.
Rode them in the 1970s. VERY SLOW acceleration!
Don't say that, Alan.