Peacemaker talks about Batman! | S1E4 HD Clip
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"because he's a pussy!"
"he's a dark creature of the night"
the old man's delivery of this last sentence just gets me. It's hilarious.
Honestly, I think it's because Batman is a pussy that he doesn't kill people. Guy has the balls to go toe to toe with Superman and Darkseid, but can't put down psychos like the Joker where it really matters.
@@taiall If he did, he'll turn into the Grim Knight.
He’s definitely got be Bat-Mite xD
@@taiall The moment you accept vigilantes meting out lethal justice, the same moment you accept police killing people.
Additionally, characters like Peacemaker are much less skilled in non-lethal suppression than the police.
I love how offended he sounds, like "how does he dare insult Batman"
Casting john Cena as peacemaker is like casting ryan reynolds as deadpool. Perfection.
1000% agreed!
John Cena as Peacemaker
Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool
Tom Hardy as Bane
Robert Downey Jr as Iron Man
Chris Pratt as Star-Lord
Chris Hemsworth as Thor
Tom Hiddleston as Loki
Cate Blanchett as Hela
all are perfection!!
edit:
Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier
Ian McKellan as Magneto
@@jamesdick2580Hugh Jackman as Wolverine!!
@@bestofdbest934 very true! oh, Patrick Stewart as Charles Xavier, Ian McKellan as Magneto
@@jamesdick2580Tom Hardy is not a perfect casting for Bane he's not even latino.
@@ultimatespider-man5170 neither was Bane. depending on what version we're talking about, because some sources say that he's Hispanic. other versions say that he's half-British and half-Carribbean with some degree of Moroccan. another source says that in the 2004 animated series The Batman, Bane is explicitly a South American mercenary, and in his first appearance he is played by Portuguese actor Joaquim de Almeida. In Young Justice, Bane's connection to the Latin American nation of Santa Prisca is fully realized.
When he says “how many people has Batman indirectly killed” Batman literally acknowledges this in the dark knight returns when he fights joker “all the people I’ve murdered…by letting you live.”
So why didn't he just waste the chump and been done with his retarded shenanigans then and there?
Funny enough that's a Batman who realizes the mistake of letting irredeemable psychopaths live, therefore proving the point that the no kill rule is stupid
@@shiggydiggy8308 BAtman is just dumb about it. HE could just cripple them, break their backs, or lobotomiese them. Multiple solutions
@@northernsupernova1 loop
@@shiggydiggy8308
It depends of how you enforced.
jason todd: exactly,couldnt agree more
Punisher: I agree
You know Jason stopped killing right? He mostly uses non lethal methods now.
@@kha30s22rubber bullets my ass
@@Albert_YTC Fun fact, I'm pretty sure they're confirmed to be ceramic, so at any point he could just decide to make a few rounds hotter than normal, and suddenly its just a gun that leaves a bunch of ceramic shards inside the target.
Batman to jason: "You don't understand. I don't think you've ever understood"
Who said John Cena cant act? He nailed Peacemaker perfectly.
Actors gotta find the character that fit them, I suppose.
Like Ryan Reynold's Deadpool, right? In every other role he's just Ryan Reynolds, but with Deadpool he's that character. Maybe it's because Deadpool acts like Ryan Reynolds or vice versa. Either way, the shoe fits perfectly.
Nobody said that..he has been acting since his WWE days... strong aggresive muscular character type
@@Saukingalpha Aggresive? I would say its more of the tough-looking-oblivious-teddybear-muscular type
only character he can nail
wait john cena is peace maker?
Funny thing is peacemaker makes an absolute point about Batman and his villains
Yup! Nothing he says is wrong. I remember reading a comic book and even Wonder Woman criticizes Superman and Batman because they let their enemies live and continue to destroy people's lives lol
@@peacemakerburner8749 yeah because Wonder Woman is a warrior that has been taught to kill so she knows what it’s like to do it. Batman and Superman haven’t lived as long as she has because they have rarely done it
@@peacemakerburner8749 BATMAN doesn't kill because he knows that if he do so then there will be no difference between him and the monsters
@@peacemakerburner8749 Then why is Cheetah still alive?
@@abhishekgupta4497 That still doesn’t change the fact that the joker is still running around torturing and killing people
Despite being a HUGE Batman fan, Peacemaker does have a valid point.
Hard disagree, if batman killed he'll just become like peacemaker, killing people for jaywalking or parking in disability zones lol. If something works here is batman as the only way a police force would consider working with a vigilante is if he at least didnt kill.
Yup, Batman want's to be a good guy in a world of evil people that don't care about how many people they kill. Peacemaker kinda kills it here, again lol.
People want to give batman shit for not killing his enemies? The heroes of the MCU does more of the opposite kill off more villains than DC does and people give the MCU shit for having the guts to get job done and people beg for villains like Gorr the god Butcher, Kingpin, Scarlet witch to still be alive so they can kill more people cause they are blinded by love of these villains that clearly need to be slayed for the greater good and for Justice.
He is the same guy that cost hundreds of lives by not killing a bug.
“Dementia-infested f**k” That insult is so messed up but it’s funny at the same time and it never fails to crack me up 😂😂😂
@@kratos5695 why can’t you just google dementia?
@@grosenightcore3599 Got eeem!
I wanna see drump use that on you know who , he wouldn't be lying about that xD
@@cropathfinder Hell yeah, Let's Go Brandon.
if its true is it an insult?
"When you kill 1 murder, the number of killers stays the same".
"Not if you kill 99 of them"
Great logic... I mean Math... Hahaha...
Not really. It's not a set sum. A bunch of new killers are made everyday.
@@EmptyMan000 then maybe he just have to kill 99 killers everyday 😂
@@EmptyMan000 Then we'll kill them too
Batman: How could you do this to me? I trusted you!
Didn't realise Cena had such brilliant comic timing until he started getting more roles. His interviews are brilliant, comes across really well.
This is his best acting role: ruclips.net/video/z88zeQ25pjQ/видео.htmlsi=miaFx7v1YNH4lc1n
I love how subtly he says 'Riddle me this...'
Feel bad for the old guy, he sounded genuinely hurt after peacemaker told him that 😂
To be fair, he does look like a sharpei
@@chickensoupfordipshits 😂🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@chickensoupfordipshits He looked after Chris (Peacemaker) told him that!😂😂😂
I also felt bad for him
Boomer deserved
I like how this canonically implies that DCEU Riddler and Mad Hatter exist, and also that Batfleck actually did have the "no killing rule", or that he has resumed to it post BvS
He had the no kill rule since the beginning but after Black Zero and Robin's death he gave it up albeit for a couple months. He gained it back after Superman died and became more virtuous
@@theBITW No he isn't. This happens before The Flash takes place
@@theBITW yeah but it didnt happen yet mf + Keaton's batman killed too
@@theBITW My guy, this is before the flash movie so this is definitely talking about batfleck...god why are cbm fans so dunce? Christ man
@@theBITW this is before The Flash movie takes place mate use your head
I loved his reference to Riddler’s favorite phrase.
Peacemaker unleashed all of my emotion about batman
Batman not kiIIng is what makes him interesting thin
@@Go_go_gadget pfft no. The only interesting part in batman if he actually killed someone lol
@@henryford4241 and threats part of what him not kiIIing makes him intertidal because if he kiIIed bad thing would happen
@@Go_go_gadget bad thing? You mean the writer would have a hard time who's the next villain? 😏
@@henryford4241 Batman is more interesting if he doesn't kill because that's also what makes his interaction with Red Hood and other anti-heros interesting.
I love how the old guy said all he was trying to do was start a conversation yet he was the one who instigated it by trying to say Peacemaker isn’t a superhero 😂
Man, people pull that shit all the time. That's old man speak for "it's just a prank bro".
he knew how to press his button he is gaslighting
gaslighting in a nutshell
Old people always starting stuff
Internet trolls in a nutshell.
You know what's great? I think John Cena has finally found HIS role, I think he's a great actor but in every other movie I see him it's like the Rock where you don't see the character, you see John Cena/Dwayne Johnson. Like Ryan Reynolds with Deadpool, when I see this show I don't see John Cena I see Peacemaker, he's genuinely fantastic.
peacemaker is a one time story only though, it won't have season 2 james gunn said.
@@Tragedyval that doesn't mean he didn't get a character he genuinely can fall into, if the show really gets big I doubt it's the last time we see his character
I don't see anything. Where's John Cena?
Yeah I can see that. I Only know peacemaker because of him.
@@Tragedyval Gunn said there's a high possibility that second season is happening
John Cena is Peacemaker. I cant see anyone else taking away that role. He is absolutely hilarious in all these episodes.
What a legend
It would definitely be difficult, Peacemaker isn’t exactly popular before this either, D lister at best ranked among the other rogues
@@DestructoCopter Peacemaker ain’t a rogue though
Le cringe
Well the difference is "Who the fuck is peacemaker?" Like Cena wants to go do somethin else I don't see the world hurting for his replacement. Great example of a nothing character elevated by a stunning performance.
I love how the old guy was just waiting on the front lawn to tell him this 😂
"Batman doesn't kill people!"
"Because hes a pussy!!!"
Best comeback ever...Lol!
The Batman appears peacemaker shits himself
@@aidanwright2643 then peacemaker kills batman because batman has no prep time
Actually It's Like The Batman Won't Kill It's Like The Batman Know Noone Is Worthy Enough To Be Killed Or Worth Killing Or Deserves Killing For Damn Sure!
@@isaiahtyner2742 Batman always has prep time. It’s just a question of what he’s prepared for. Guns? Grenades? Knives? He chases after those on a nightly basis. Flying bulletproof men with heat vision? Different story. He needs different gear for that.
@@JohnSmith-lt1ck sonic boom
peacemaker finally said in canon what everyone knew and didn't want to admit, this show is awesome
Batman doesn't want to become like his parents killers, he's there to bring justice not to become a murderer like the people who killed his parents so he has a fair reason not to kill. He isn't the judge jury or executioner, he doesn't want to decide when people's lives may end. If he kills anyone, then he's lost because the person he killed made Batman kill him and Batman doesn't want to be controlled into killing someone just like joker did in the dark night when he made two face evil and two face pretty much forced Batman to kill him because if Batman didn't then the kid would have died, that's what you call the villains making the choice and controlling Batman and making Batman do things he doesn't want to do such as killing them. Batman doesn't want to be made into killing people, he doesn't want the villains forcing him to kill them because then he's lost because the villains made him make that choice and Batman wants to make his own choices
Why don’t you go step up and make your own justice then. Start putting down criminals and let me know where it gets you
@@badfoody wtf are you talking about
@@badfoody bruh it's just a fictional character
@@badfoody Says who ?
The weirdest part of this is when the older man mentions examples of Batman's villains and brings up Mad Hatter. I know that Peacemaker is going to transition over into the new DCU, but I can't even imagine the DCEU Batman having Mad Hatter as a villain unless he brutally beat him to death. That's honestly what makes the conversation even funnier.
He has a point. Some villains can be rehabilitated. Joker can not, mainly cause the writers won't bother replacing him.
You can get away with using Joker. He problem is ever since Killing Joke, the writers just keep trying to one-up his brutality and shock value. Modern Joker is just shock value and nothing else. No one ever brings up the “No-killing” with Riddler, Two-Face, Bane, or even Ra’s Al Ghul, who’s an immortal terrorist constantly trying to kill 90% of the Earth’s population. It’s just with Joker, cause they keep doing such horrific things with him it’s hard to justify his existence anymore. Joker doesn’t need to revert back to Caesar Romero, but he does need to be toned down a bit.
@@Linklex7You have a great point! And what makes it even worse is that the writers make other characters wanting Joker dead, and Batman refusing, sometimes Batman even saves Joker from other people. This makes Batman look bad.
I agree with you, if Joker was just a normal villain like the others we wouldn't have this stupid debate among fans.
Wow, Cena's acting is much better than anything I've seen him in before. The character he played in Psyche was great but his acting was brutal.
Yeah, Ewan O'Hara
It’s funny he’s just straight up acting like his wrestling personality, not a bad thing in this role at all though
When is season 2? I’ve binged all six episodes so far 47 times.
blame the director of his past movies, they just can't cast him properly.
@@123evilwolf I hope you ain't talking about The Marine, cuz that movie was dope.
I gotta say, this is probably John Cena's best performance ever. Bravo
I can’t see him?
His Best performance is disappearing himself
@LOCALFREEK my childhood. I remember watching those movies back in elementary school
Worthy of an Emmy nomination?
I prefer the one where he was apologizing to the CCP.
This scene explains James Gunn feelings about Batman perfectly after being exposed for calling Keatons Batman trash.
Which doesn’t make a whole lot of sense, because we all know Keaton’s Batman wasn’t really a saint when it came to criminals. If he were talking about the Batman from the Injustice storyline, Under the Red Hood, or even the Arkham games, that would make a lot more sense.
He’s speaking facts tho ngl😂 John is nailing this character
Batman makes it a point that he's not the Judge, Jury and Executioner. He puts trust in the system and wants proper due process instead of committing mass murder. The villains escaping from Arkham Asylum isn't his fault. And the villains aren't escaping every other week. It's a meme. There's time in between unless they're incarcerated in the middle of a story/arc.
And also Batman knows he's unhinged. He knows if he kills one man, he'll start to compromise and kill another and another and another and he won't stop. Hence why fans hate it when Bats straight up kills a bunch of dudes in the films. Keaton included.
He trusts the system but he is a vigilante. What an oxymoron...
Why doesn't Wayne Enterprises spend some money developing a prison that actually works.
@@benitokamelas7758 He trusts the system to judge those he apprehends fairly and deal apt punishment/rehabilitation.
He still fights against the corruption present in both the police force and the judicial system. That's why his nickname is the Caped Crusader.
Which inevitably fails, they escape, and kill more people.
After about the 100th time it happens, Batman just looks like a self righteous idiot (and I say that as a Batman fan).
@@icyrazor Well... Then why was he going to kill Superman?
Love how Jason Todd’s entire morals and ethics are explained in the DCEU by peacemaker of all people lol
Can you explain?
@@mesus3701 Jason Todd has similar morals and ethics to Peacemaker
@@TheGrassperson So Jason is a third-rate loser like Peacemaker? Gotcha.
@@Ares99999 Jeez, what's your problem?
The difference between Jason and Peacemaker is Jason doesn't kill women and kids where as Peacemaker does
"ALL THE PEOPLE I'VE MURDERED BY LETTING YOU LIVE!" -Batman
John Cena saying the word "wrestling" in anything that's not WWE related just makes me smile
I died when Peacemaker said "Riddle me this" not him referencing The Riddler
Now that’s good riddle for Robert Pattinson Batman
It's like the conversation Daredevil had with Punisher on the roof.
Yeah
"You're just one bad day from becoming me." Frank Castle
@@IoiniEverson and with your old neighbor
But this one is funnier and better
@@tvalokibatman6563 funnier yes not better
Rumor is that old guy might be bat mite. Thats why he gives peace maker a hard time about batman. And why he only played such a small part but is in the theme song. Even the janitor showed up a couple of times.
Batman doesn't kill people
Batfleck: 😶
Superman and only Superman damn batfleck is racist 😂 he didn't kill lex Luther
Reboot
Wait, if he's talking about BatFleck, he definitely killed people.
All except the joker
Well as per the Flash leaks the new Batman is Keaton although even that is a bit flimsy cause Keaton killed his Joker in the 80s yet somehow WB wants to put him in this continuity
If that's not proof that WB doesn't have a single idea how to handle a universe, I don't know what is
@@anshulkarkera8911 The Flush
Yeah he is, the new suicide squad is still a 'sequel' to the 2016 one, making it DCEU property
@@anshulkarkera8911 WB is just now trying to get away from shadow of Zack Snyder, in the process they are killing DC that's for sure
To be fair, that’s more the government being incompetent and the writers being lazy and wanting to recycle villains being at fault than Batman. If a criminal gets caught by a police officer and escapes later, we don’t blame the police officer for not killing the criminal previously.
Except government is doing all this on purpose
Exactly
Exactly. People say a lot about Batman's no kill rule and how it would endanger more lives when the villains escape like they always do, but forget about how realistically without writer BS, those criminals would get the death penalty easily or at the very least escape from life sentence and THEN get a worse sentence and Batman wouldn't have to worry about escapees. I highly recommend Batfeed's Batman 1919 and 1889 videos for a more realistic (and gothic) take on Batman and his villains where they pretty much stay locked up most of the time
@@logicaltips4107 It does. Having a no kill rule is fine but not in gotham. Batman is a jackass
Just extradite the Joker to Texas.
Woah Peacemaker calm down buddy, calm down💀💀💀😂😂😂😂
This show was so hilarious that sometimes I wish I could get the whole thing out of my head and rewatch it again
Let’s be real here, if Batman started killing off his villains, the writers would have to either bring them back from the dead and repeat the process again, which they’ve already done, or make entirely new villains that may never be as recognizable as the old ones. That’s the REAL truth about why Batman and other heroes barely kill off these monsters.
No
Yep. Lol, no villains, no money
stories without endings all eventually suck.
Not quite--Batman swore off using guns and killing in "Batman" #1. Joker debuted in that issue, but it wasn't until later that he was made a recurring villain.
@@davidfoster8318 No the OP is correct.
The real reason is about the economics of comic books. They need to keep making more stories every month. And the oldest villains tend to be the most popular, so they can’t kill them, or they have to bring them back.
Trying to associate real world stuff with this dynamic, is missing the gorilla in the room. Which is about comic book industry economics.
Now, you can certainly also analyze it from within the conceit of the comic book universe. But you should acknowledge the real world reasons first.
Because I very often nowadays see people trying to demand real life police act like these fictional characters, when it makes no sense in real life. Especially as real life cops don’t have plot armor.
This show truly is a masterpiece, we need to cherish it while it lasts.
Also, its only 4 episodes in(so far) and we`ve peeled so many layers to Peacemaker`s character, played to perfection by John Cena. I love how frustrated he gets explaining to the old guy why Batmans approach, whos obviously loved by many, to crimefighting is totally flawed. Whereas Peacemaker, who is hated by nearly everybody, really does have good intensions of ridding the world of evil. He just had the rotten luck of having such a shitty mentor in his abusive father
I think it's because the world needs both kinds of men. Peacemaker has the flaw of not understanding why it's important to have men who refuse to kill, who have a line in the sand they draw and say, "I won't cross this line no matter what." Peacemaker will cross that line. He has no issues with it. And thats why he becomes the villain in suicide squad. Because he not only allows compromise, but has built it into his very essence as a person.
Batman would never become the villain, because he does not compromise.
But likewise, ever tried accomplishing something in a group setting without being willing to compromise? You'll get about as much accomplished as a chick with Parkinsons trying to give a handjob with her left hand, and pour a glass of wine with her right; theres gonna be a big mess, and either no one's happy, or only one guy is.
Also I think in the future he needs more screen time together with vigilante. Other characters just take too much screen time for no reason.
@@mr.doctorcaptain1124 That is a surprisingly good analogy lol
I mean yeah marvels version is basically the punisher, with daredevil being their version of Batman (not killing anyone)
father who is also a nazi*
Well he has a valid point
What I like about the series is despite Peacemaker acting like a idiot he is actually very competent and smart at times. He isn't just a meathead, I actually consider him the smartest one in the room in pretty much every scene.
This is actually true. We think he's an idiot but he's actually pretty smart.
Being stupid and being an idiot are two very different things. One implies lack of intelligence while the other implies lack of thought.
Yes, Peacemaker is smart. What makes him an idiot is that he doesn't really think about what he's doing until after he's done it. It is entirely possible to be smart and an idiot at the same time.
@@MrCrunchytime I argue that you can *indeed* be smart and an idiot at the same time. There are scientists building robots and inserting humanlike AI into them, friendo. 😏
@@-Trauma. Dunno what you're arguing, yours is the point I was making, though I guess I didn't outright say it.
Anyway, yes indeed. One can be smart and an idiot at the same time.
@@MrCrunchytime See? I proved to you people reading these here comments, that one can be smart and an idiot/stupid at the same time.
Peacemaker does make a point, but Batman has a reason, too. They're both right.
What's the reason again?
@@noahanders7605 he's made a point before that if he killed someone he would do it again somewhere in the comics, I can't remember which one tho, like if he killed someone he would end up doing it again and wouldn't be able to stop
@@noahanders7605 if he kill one he will never stop.
@@Nick_MG pretty much batman who laughs
@@Nick_MG that kinda Stoopid, and dint batman turns into batman who laughs because of the joker gas after he chokes joker to death?
Man the guy..... The level of acting..... My god❤️
Peacemaker is the Punisher of DC.
This show is a freaking gift
At first I thought it was gonna be shit tbh, I started watching because I was looking for something light and funny to see on tv, and now I'm actually loving it
@@yasnaynavarrete7411 Your first mistake was thinking Gunn could produce anything other than gold.
@@accepthisname LOL 😆 I don't even know this producer but now that you've mentioned it I gotta search what else this genius has done 👍
@@accepthisname well John cena isn’t the best of actors but he’s come into his own with the character
@@yasnaynavarrete7411 HE DID THE SUICIDE SQUAD AND GUARDIANS OF THE GALAXY (sorry for yelling).
The most canonical reason Batman doesn’t kill is because he knows he’s unhinged af, & he knows if he starts killing he’ll never stop. This especially displayed in the Dark Nights Metal series, where there are several alternate versions of Batman that started out killing villains, but took it too far & became evil versions of themselves, such as The Grim Knight.
That’s the Dark Multiverse. It doesn’t mean shit LOL.
Same things happened in Main Universes and none of the shit happened. Batman Earth 0 was sprayed with the same toxins and he tried to kill Batman Who Laughs instead and still kept his head together. Batman was a fear lantern several times and didn’t kill. He got Superman and WW powers several times and at worst was him trying to kill villains.
@@cunnyman
The Batman Who Laughs nor the toxin has absolutely anything to do with what I said, & I in fact never even mentioned that. Not sure where you are rabbit trailing off to 🤷♂️ .
I was saying most if not all versions of Batman that started killing people ended up becoming evil, which is in fact true in comic lore.
But why do he have to protect those villains? 😂😂😂. He doesn't want to be killer? Then stay the fuck off from others way. Jason tried to kill joker, then there is joker's girlfriend batman to protect him. And put him in jail and even the court doesn't immediately kill off a serial killer like joker. Then he breaks out and kills more the loop happens.
@@cynicanarchist4923 That's because of how the legal system works. The majority of Batman's Rogues Gallery suffer from some degree of insanity, and that's especially true for The Joker, and with how the legal system works, if a lawyer can prove that a certain criminal qualifies as "insane" in legal terms, then it becomes much harder to give them a sentence like the Death Penalty, and instead they have to be sent to a psychiatric facility for treatment until they are deemed to be "competent" to stand trial.
The most important factor, legally, is whether the criminal in question was sane enough to understand that what they were doing was wrong at the time of the crime (this is why a "crime of passion" is something that can figure into such cases, it can sometimes be considered a form of temporary insanity), and if there was any premeditation involved. Now, in Joker's case, even in spite of his obvious insanity, he likely would still be deemed to be mentally competent enough to stand trial (or that any attempts to reform him with psychiatric care would be futile), and thus be eligible for the death penalty, at least in real life. But since Joker is Batman's arch-nemesis, DC can't exactly just kill off Joker and keep him dead. Joker's interactions with Batman are part of what makes Batman such a popular character.
Also, one of Bruce's most important character traits is how much respect he has for the value of human life. That's why he never kills. He refuses to become Judge, Jury, and Executioner. And that's exactly why he also tried to stop Jason from killing Joker, because he doesn't want Jason to start down that same slippery slope either. He wants Jason to be "better" than the villains he goes after (and even Bruce himself), rather than stooping to their level, which is what Jason actually does. And I suspect that in part, Bruce is also afraid that Jason may someday cross the line and turn into a Villain himself.
@@cunnyman I mean most of the multiverse batman were he kills he's evil not all but most
He straight up said actual facts. Batman has done more damage by not finishing off Joker or other types of villains. Sure, most of them aren’t that deadly and could definitely change, but Joker is the one person he should have definitely killed off years ago
Batman’s not the executioner 🤦🏻♂️
@@acjnse8258he is not authorized to do anything
That argument does not work
@@acjnse8258 Then he shouldn't be going out as a vigilante either dumbass.
Considering how Peacemaker confirmed Bat-Mite’s existence, I wouldn’t be surprised if the theories of the old man being Bat-Mite are true. Hopefully he’ll show up in season two!
John Cena embraced this role , never knew how funny he actually was , been a great watch so far.
“Batman doesn’t kill people”
Batfleck: “Allow me to introduce myself”
Batman in the DCEU wasn't bataranging thugs in the jugular though, even when it would expedient. If you're a mercenary shooting at a Batman who's now known to be more brutal than ever (if random guy in the street know this the underworld would be buzzing about it) and you die in the scuffle because he's more brutal than ever then no one killed you, you died from your own stupidity.
Not saying Batman hadn't gone down a too dark path but he wasn't the Punisher.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Yeah, you have to be commuting a crime for the punisher to target you. The people Batman killed in BVS were doing legitimate security work and he just wanted to steal what they had.
@@alphanerd7221 _"The people Batman killed in BVS were doing legitimate security work and he just wanted to steal what they had."_
I don't remember that in BvS, when was that?
The only reason why Batman doesn’t kill is because the writers and publishers turned him into a family friendly hero in order to sell more toys to kids, simple.
Batman was created by Bob Kane, the first comic was released in 1939. Batman’s first kill occurred in the same year -1939.
It’s in Batman’s DNA to kill.
If anyone understands the character down to the core it’s the creator.
When I see Batman Kill in a Zack Synder movie I applaud. When I read these immature silly little comments from you puny little fanboys that he doesn’t or shouldn’t kill I cringe.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. Delusions of grandeur is also a common symptom of human denial.
I guess ignorance is bliss after all.
A true batman fan understands that Batman killing is INEVITABLE!
@@master-of-mind5881 Batman doesn’t kill and that’s what made the character the moral dilemma go read the fucking punisher if you want bloodshed
I would like to see Peacemaker say that to Batman’s face.
Batman won't see it coming
Peacemaker would just say Martha
He got a point
"you wrinkly, sharpei-looking , dementia-infested fuck" has been making my stomach hurt for like 3 minutes now and still is 😂😂😂😂
I was dead as hell when I first heard cena say that I was crying 😂😂😂
Sounds like something Deadpool would say
He knew the only way peacemaker would talk to him is if he triggered him lol
@@Wingedmagician YEAH I MEAN OLD PEEPS DO THAT RIGHT? SO REALISTIC 😂😂
It's kinda fucked up when the guy actually looks like one.
The best argument I ever read why Batman doesn't kill was in Under the Red Hood where he outright says that if he killed one criminal, even the Joker, he wouldn't stop. That means he would murder purse snatchers, counterfeiters and even good cops who try to arrest him for committing murder.
So basically batman's saying he is one unhinged mf
Exactly. And that's the one thing Joker wants him to do.
Yep. I'm surprised people wondered why Batman doesn't or can't kill, the dude is a walking armory. He could have, but he chose not to.
well he could always permanently maim em lol
@@walterwhitecookingchannel8912 Yeah, an recurring theme with Batman is that he's as crazy as his villains.
Eliminating crime and heinous evilness is a good motive yet risky. Before I admire superheroes but until anti-heroes came in. These guys do better than heroes, wiping out, literally. That's why I admire anti-heroes. 😌
0:40 He couldn't hold that laugh, but that made the scene 10 times better.
A classic 'He's out of line, but he's right' moment
He’s not right how many times do comics have to show you what happens when Batman and Superman kill they change for the worse
@@Axel-ye8tt True. They literally made a video game series and universe about Superman going off the deep end
@@tekunin5407 Yeah he went off the deep end because Batman was too big of a pussy to kill the Joker himself Joker's his problem he should deal with it oh wait he never does.
@@Axel-ye8tt Naw he 1000% right, if they can't stop killing then they have no control over 1 kill that's sad cause it's batman and superman lmfao
@@andrewcabral963 Nor did the cops or the court systems that have had Joker in custody (because of Batman) multiple times. Every single one of them has blood on their hands but people take the easy way out and blame Batman. They just want him to do their dirty work but there's a reason he's a hero and Peacemaker is a tool used by people like Waller.
He does have a point. I thought Batman would’ve been sick of the loop over and over again. Break out, fight and send to jail.
LOL! Batman love that shit
In a skit from Robot Chicken, Batman said he vowed to let the courts do their work. This is then followed by him giving them a persuasive testimony that allowed them to give the Joker the death penalty. Why can't the courts in DC comics/shows/movies do that because lets face it, when it comes to the Joker, they should've already gotten a testimony that would permit them to do that? Why are the courts in the actual source more incompete than the one in a parody?
yeah but then you would have people crying about it non stop like with BvS. and it was just random henchmen in that movie lmao
Well he has tried to kill Joker at least twice. Death In The Family and Hush for example.
He was willing to let Harley frag his ass in Joker War too.
Are yall stupid? Joker is still classified as mentally ill, why the fuck would they kill him instead of trying rehabilitate the basterd? If they do kill him what happens when the next joker apears just kill that guy to?
He's a dark creature of the night.
This always get me.
This was one my favorite scenes of the series.
This Batman debate will never die down.
It’s not even a debate, peacemaker is right
@@mtdarkbird Then again.. you have the Grim Knight.
and that's exactly the debate punisher and daredevil were having!
@@gaurav7142 and pusher was right
There's a reason Batman has lots of comics and longevity, yes: The villains. The moment you start killing them you run out of stories
And have peace yes
@@logandelaharpe6362 this is a fictional world we don’t want peace that’s boring
Funny how the American Criminal Justice system mimics this model...except it's more interested in revenue than "stories."
@@logandelaharpe6362 yes Batman comics where nothing happens and all is well. Sounds like a fun read 🤡
That is Batman’s end goal is it not
You know, considering how the CW handled their interpretations of Batman in the Crisis crossover & the Batwoman show, he's kinda right in calling him that.
Peacemaker has a point.
Honestly both are right in a way yes batman does do the right thing because he does not go for kill want to be a symbol for gotham but peacemaker does have a point even if batman villains do get sent to Arkham they will hurt more people like joker kill jason Todd made batgirl cripple even two face holding Jim Gordon family hodgtage but being batman isn't easy
@ Damn Joker. You're insane!
@ Congratulations, you live by one of the fundamental reasons why our society is so ass backwards and is rapidly decaying before our eyes 👀 Do you think the people who built this country-hell even the world as we know it-just 'did whatever makes them happy'? "What is right, what is wrong," Europe and America essentially owe their entire existence to Christianity, which influenced (and in many cases directly lead to the birth of) virtually everything, laws/governmental structure/morals/societal norms and human behavior in general/art/literature-story writing and themes/movies and almost countless other facets of life, point being *for the most part* we as humans know "what is right-what is wrong".. That's why (most people) we don't murder people, or constantly steal and lie, or hurt children, it's why we obey and listen to our parents and respect elders, that's why we hold doors open for people or let someone turn at a green light, it's why we take up responsibility and provide for our family, along with an endless sea of other examples.
Now, instead of a system of set-literally tried and true for a few hundred years at least in general (especially in regards to thing's like not murdering people/thieving/art)-moral beliefs, an instilled obligation for responsibility (i.e. having a job/providing for X/starting a family) etc, it's "do whatever makes you happy," and you're far from the only person living by that 'rule'. Your teenage son wants to take hormone blockers and get vehemently unnatural-life altering-surgery to be a "girl"? Fuck it if it makes his undeveloped brain happy 😁 Wanna not have a job and leech unemployment/welfare or 'COVID benefits'? Fuck it if it makes YOU happy 👍 You see a guy drop his wallet in Starbucks, but want the contents of it? Eh fuck it, so long as you're happy 😊
TL;DR So if you're being completely serious, I genuinely can't imagine a more selfish-petulant-childish 'life style' 🥴
@@CommanderLongJohn then in that case, America owes ALL of its problems to, you guessed it, Christians. Why? Because it’s Christians that make laws, follow them when it’s convenient, and then harshly enforce them on those that are beneath them and do not have the means for a meaningful defense in a Court of Law. This country fetishizes crime and punishment to the point where is damn near hate porn on the poor and undesirables, with undesirables being anyone who’s not a cisgender heterosexual white male member of the American bourgeoisie.
@@CommanderLongJohn and now, you’ve grown up and come to the realization that the system you were raised to follow and trusted not only has failed decades ago, but has never existed outside of mere idea of what life was supposed to be outside of those family TV shows you grew up watching.
This is the real world. People whom you were raise to not see as human for whatever unacceptable excuse, they exist, especially outside of kink.
And there’s no amount of red pills that you can take to get the reality you want.
Welcome to the human race.
@@CarbideSix LOL yeah because 2022 America is just so outrageously religious, it's not as if there isn't a fucking elephant stampede anytime someone even says the phrase CHRISTmas in December 🥴 This country was built with Christianity/God in mind, and it wasn't until somewhat recently (i.e. late 1900's/early 2000's) it was thrown out the window entirely, if we had nothing but moral-humble-Christians serving as so-called "public servants" (i.e. politicians/judges etc) do you actually believe what you said would be even somewhat true (which it almost 100% isn't anyway) 🤔?
Now you can take your steaming pile of-ciss white male/bourgeoisie-cultural marxist horseshit and go back to your r/circlejerk, or back to your local Starbucks and sit on your two thousand dollar MacBook ranting and raving about the evils of capitalism and white men 👌
Man has a point. After so many hundreds, if not thousands, of deaths at the hands of the Joker, when do you draw the line. He can’t be redeem, rehabilitated or cured in any way. He’s a force of death and chaos. There’s no solving his problem. If Batman, hell if the Gotham court system, had any sense they’d have put down the clown YEARS ago.
There actually was a comic where Martian Manhunter briefly cured Joker with his telepathy so they could get info out of him. He was horrified at what he had done and asked to die, but they didn’t and when Martian Manhunter stopped the telepathy he returned to normal.
@@braedensteele3184 God dammit Martian Manhunter. You had 1 job.
@@jonathanathor117 well in his defense he stated that jokers mind was like a raging storm or something like that. Basically it was hard to keep him sane even for a bit
If you kill all the best villains your comic would be garbage.
i don't get why people say put down like they are really the kings of law, like as if gordon doesn't have to follow the law as well as batman, they still have to follow some laws if they plan on doing good, no matter if they know they'll escape or not, that's the burden the batman has to deal with, but then people like to rub it in his face that he's villains escape again, but that's what he has to deal with i guess too, because the price of peace isn't a overnight thing...but some people want it to be. He knows he's mother and father wouldn't want him to kill criminals because it would corrupt he's soul. He has to endure the system's regulation and become a symbol to keep the peace because if you can't kill, then at least you can help the cops.
he said what everyone was thinking 💀
I knew this would be one of the most rewatched scenes from Peacemaker
He’s out of line
But he’s right
Wrong studio
You're out of line
But you're right
It captures the American Superhero experience.
The profile picture makes this comment so much better haha
Well, you’re not wrong.
To bad redhood didn’t kill joker either when he had the chances
The main problem with Batman is that he always tries to enforce his self righteous code on others, he will literally go out his way to save joker from others who try to kill him
Yeah, the punisher almost killed him but batbitch had to put his ass on the way like always
@@Ashley_J.W punisher ain’t shit
@@Axel-ye8tt yeah that’s cap
Because he didn't want his boyfriend to die that's why
You know why? Killing a human life is hard it will take a toll on you mentally one of the reasons why cops suffer from PTSD. TBH its a double edge sword. Let's say you killed a serial killer in order of self defence at the same time you did good you killed a serial killer that did wrong but it will take a toll on you mentally because you've never killed someone and could stay with you for the rest of your life. I think that's what Batman means its just too difficult taking a human life but sometimes it is necessary for survival so I agree with Peacemaker and the Batman it depends on the situation.
I mean he is not wrong though.
Batman needs to hear this
He said “riddle me this” 😂
Mad Hatter? Wow. We're getting official mentions of some of his best and underrated villains.
Is Mad Hatter under-rated though?
@@bern1223 when do you meet someone and they say something about mad hatter unironically
@@Kylehappy305 Uh, I'm not sure. I don't know when I would meet someone and they would say anything about a batman villian unironically.
Nice for him to get a shout out!
@@bern1223 At a comic book shop?
I love Batman, but honestly ... he is quite right about it
he absolutely right
@@hellatze not really
@@mohanadabdallah7459 yes really
@@WiIlix how is he right
@@mohanadabdallah7459 Batman doesn’t kill his enemies he only imprisons them and they always break out thus allowing them to kill more innocents but that wouldn’t be a problem if Batman would just kill his enemies when he has the chance
Okay but he has a point 💀
What batman does is worse he breaks you
Physically and mentally
Lmao I love John Cena being peacemaker 😂Bringing the peace to his name
I see just a guy talking to himself where is Jhon in this ?
@@dariusalexandru9536 that joke is getting old
@@tonyperez8750 what joke?
@@ironheart9794 "you can't see me" John Cena joke
@@ThisIsntTwitter man i was trying to get him smh come on smh smh
0:45
quote from the dark knight returns
"All the people I've murdered by letting you live." -Batman
"Batman doesn't kill them"
Batman v Superman's Batman: *so anyway i started blasting*
Peacemaker drops the bag, starts speaking facts! 😨
Honestly I find it funny how the old dude is basically people who believe in Batman’s code is honourable while peacemaker is the one who lays it down on why it’s stupid😂😂😂
Yeah
Batman is a different story not every story is the same
@@falconeshield Is it stupid though?
well, to be fair. It's more like Gotham's laws are really fucking stupid to not have given Joker and everyone else in Batman's Rouges gallery the death penalty for the amount of people they killed. Probably why Gotham is such a shit hole to live in with 100% crime everywhere and literally a place called "Crime alley" just to the side of a theatre lol.
See, I agree with more with Wonder Woman, who falls somewhere in the middle of this debate. Her code is:
*“Don’t kill if you can wound, don’t wound if you can subdue, don’t subdue if you can pacify, and don’t raise your hand at all until you’ve first extended it”*
Thus, she doesn't use killing as a first resort, but she isn't afraid to do it if the situation calls for it. Her code isn't straight-up heartless the way Peacemaker's is, but it also isn't as short-sightedly idealistic as Batman's. I'm someone who believes lives aren't ours to take, _but_ I think her code infuses both compassion and realism into a reasonable moral principle that suits a world where aliens and super-powered serial killers exist.
Wonder Woman is super violent and she was trained to kill Batman code is he values human life and his psyche doesn’t allow him to go there
"Don't kill if you can wound" can be taken as only kill on self defense if it's the only option available to you. Which even Batman or Superman would do if the plot allowed it.
No one would ever be mad at them, or another person, for killing someone in defense. The thing is Batman, Superman Wonder Woman don't HAVE TO kill. They can choose to wound or subdue. Their power required more responsibility.
Also, Aquaman won't hesitate to put his trident through someone's skull if he has to.
except everytime I kept cheating as a last resort for my tests I always ended up using unfair means
I think The Dark Knight did Batman best, he kills Two-Face at the end to save a kid, showing he's not as insanely idealistic as you might think. In my opinion, that's his limit. He won't let a kid die if he can do something about it, even then I don't think he's trying to kill Harvey, it just happens too fast for him to keep up. Sometimes comic writers take him way too far, I recall an issue in Tom King's Batman where Joker takes himself as hostage by putting a gun to his head and demanding Batman do things, and Batman does them. That's way too far, I think he would just call Joker on his bluff and let him shoot if he wanted to. And that's the thing about Batman, different writers have wrote him differently for 80 years, there's no one Batman we can morally debate on, but multiple versions that require multiple debates.
The simple suitcase drop was perfect
I agree. If they're dead they can't comeback and create more havoc. That was an Iron Man vs Batman and Superman conversation in the Hero's Diner at the of an HISHE short.
Character of the DCEU:"Batman doesn't kill people"
Batman of the DCEU:"Ahahahahah"
To be fair he got his no killing rule back after justice league, in the whedon version he didnt killthe thief at the start and in the snyder cut he captured the mutant gang without killing them.
@@brianweyne5723 yeah Superman death change him also when he was first starting out as Batman he didn’t kill.
Batman in the DCEU wasn't bataranging thugs in the jugular though, even when it would expedient. If you're a mercenary shooting at a Batman who's now known to be more brutal than ever (if random guy in the street know this the underworld would be buzzing about it) and you die in the scuffle because he's more brutal than ever then no one killed you, you died from your own stupidity.
Not saying Batman hadn't gone down a too dark path but he wasn't the Punisher.
@@brianweyne5723 He didn't do anything after justice league. He never stopped killing.
The only reason why Batman doesn’t kill is because the writers and publishers turned him into a family friendly hero in order to sell more toys to kids, simple.
Batman was created by Bob Kane, the first comic was released in 1939. Batman’s first kill occurred in the same year -1939.
It’s in Batman’s DNA to kill.
If anyone understands the character down to the core it’s the creator.
When I see Batman Kill in a Zack Synder movie I applaud. When I read these immature silly little comments from you puny little fanboys that he doesn’t or shouldn’t kill I cringe.
Denial is the most predictable of all human responses. Delusions of grandeur is also a common symptom of human denial.
I guess ignorance is bliss after all.
A true batman fan understands that Batman killing is INEVITABLE!
I've always thought the same thing, although I understand from a storytelling perspective why they do it. Whether Batman wants to follow the justice system or not, he has to admit that putting mass murderers in an easily escapable prison is pointless, at best.
it's not easily escapable so much as it is they have superpowers and the writers want to recycle them rather than keep coming up with new ones.
@@TaddiestMason "although I understand from a storytelling perspective why they do it"
The badguys escape Arkham and Blackgate over and over because we the audience _want_ them to escape to be hunted and confronted by Batman over and over. Superhero comics are kind of like a gladiator arena.
Also, it's not Batman putting the badguys anywhere, Bruce Wayne is not a judge in his other identity.
@@Mansplainer2099-jy8ps Batman hands over the captured villains to the authorities, who place them in Arkham or wherever else, then they escape. Basically the same thing.
@@Lokhir100 _"Basically the same thing."_
No, not the same thing. That's like saying cops are putting people in the electri chair or giving them fata l injections.
i love how the dude was just waiting outside
The Punisher💀: damn right...
I mean it sounds harsh, but you gotta admit, peacemaker is making a good point
Love him or hate him,you have to admit,the man has a point.
He doesn’t they already did stories showing why they don’t kill Jesus Christ y’all never give up
Yup country could learn a lot if we stopped letting out all of our repeat offenders and instead just put them all “six fucking feet under”
He has no point what are you talking about. This is a lazy jab at the public perception of Batman and not the actual Batman. If you go at the actual Batman you have to pick a story, which version are you talking about? In no version do the villains constantly come out of prison and escape. It's only a one or 2 time thing in a given story in a big climactic plot point. Peacemaker has no argument. Weak jabs at a caricature of Batman
@@appledough3843 didn't ask
@@jonathankarsh3874
The "i got no counter argument" starter pack lmao
Peacemaker is the superhero we need.
That insult in the end just coming out if nowhere
Peacemaker: "He's a pussy who wrestles criminals dressed like clown and throw them in prison so they can break out of prison and murder more people."
Batman: "...It's a complicated relationship."
LMAO
Yeah it so true
Yeah. Lol cause batmans actually just as crazy as the joker and in his own way He does NEED the joker the joker puts him in check vice versa
he likes to fight around
Never in my life I’ve been offended by something I 100% agree with
LMAO
Lol
i think the neighbor is secretly mr. Mxyzptlk or Batmite and is fucking with peacemaker, that's why he was able to sneak into the dance intro and maybe he's also that kid who asks if he has a coterie of supervillains as well.
I just love this show so much
Love that Peacemaker used the term "candy ass" which is a catchphrase The Rock uses.
Something tells me Peacemaker and The Punisher would be a hell of a team. Their morals are almost identical. Until he pisses Frank off by never shutting up of course😅
Frank Castle, morals? Frank doesn't kill out of some moral obligation, he does it because he likes it. Which would put him in conflict with Peacemaker
Frank does it out of revenge
@@Nzosaba_Matenge I mean he does get the job done.
@@logandelaharpe6362 Frank says he does what he does because he can and he's willing to. But Frank knows he's not a good dude.
@@Nzosaba_Matenge Frank is a much better person than Peacemaker, he has a far stricter code. There was a comic where he was tricked into thinking he killed a child and was straight up prepared to kill himself there and then.