Software Slavery, Vendor Lock In, Redundant, Clear Sky Strategy - 1334

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  • Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
  • This video is about,, how I have experienced, that you have need to run a redundant system setup on software solutions. To be able to negotiate fair prices, on large business critical.
    If you use spicial vendor lock solutions, that makes it close to impossible to move over to another vendor,, you have put yourself in a terrible negotiation situation.
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Комментарии • 118

  • @truckerallikatuk
    @truckerallikatuk 9 месяцев назад +17

    I agree with your position Morten. Not allowing the vendors to treat you or your company as a cash cow is a very good idea.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +5

      Need to keep your options open.

  • @MR-vj8dn
    @MR-vj8dn 9 месяцев назад +8

    I totally agree with having your own IT department and data centre should you be dependent on IT. The last four years I’ve been maintaining my employers data centre. Sadly, my employer is moving away from using what I have created and what is already paid for. Our entire IT is moving to a cloud which cost us multiple times my salary each month. I can admit that maybe it is myself that don’t understand the economics of 2023. There’s just so much money going to waste each and every hour, and I don’t understand how that is more profitable than owning things yourself.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +2

      And when there is no going back,, and all the IT people has gone,,, the prices will go up..

  • @SwiatLinuksa
    @SwiatLinuksa 9 месяцев назад +2

    setting up large companies, giving them for half-free, getting people used to them, raising prices and milking them, it's the same on the computer games market.. thx for video!

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      and the drugs market :-/

  • @peetsplcchannelnice6912
    @peetsplcchannelnice6912 9 месяцев назад +2

    I completely agree with you, six months ago we wanted to replace part of the server park. We received an offer from Dell and HP. After negotiations the price could be reduced by another 30%.
    We couldn't reach an agreement with VMware, the new part now runs on Proxmox. 90% of the VMs could be easily converted with OVF.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      "easily converted with OVF" How do you do that?

  • @GrishTech
    @GrishTech 9 месяцев назад +2

    Every company IT Policy should state that vendor lock-in should be avoided where possible. I agree with your stance on this issue.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @davidgrishko1893
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @spacecadet4876
    @spacecadet4876 9 месяцев назад +1

    Plus, when dispositioning donated hardware for a nonprofit I ran across a network product from a well known vendor where half of the soldered on memory was a "feature" that could be licensed...wth, not to mention it's software "features" licenses.
    At the end of the day it became recycled and landfill fodder.
    Seems related to your rant.
    Thanks for hanging in there all these years. Great content.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @spacecadet4876
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @LuminousWatcher
    @LuminousWatcher 9 месяцев назад +1

    When I studied IT datalogi we called it "Distributed Computing". Suddenly it was "The Cloud"

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Distributed Computing, is when you have a task that you can get solved on many servers,, and that can very well be many of your own servers.

    • @LuminousWatcher
      @LuminousWatcher 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse Exactly - you can easily run k8s and autoscaling on your own network - hey you could even "rent out" any extra capacity as a cloud solution! 😉😉

  • @UnkyjoesPlayhouse
    @UnkyjoesPlayhouse 9 месяцев назад +4

    Preach, your now officially an "old fart" in the IT community, welcome to the club, I could not agree with you more :)

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Not getting any Younger!! Thank You!! :-)

  • @furionn
    @furionn 9 месяцев назад +1

    Great video Morten, I think you've nailed the problem. This is the main reason my company decided do completely ditch in house data center and move EVERYTHING to AWS. Is it cheaper? hell no, but not having to deal with this ever changing sales tactics from VMware, HPe and Lenovo made it worth. Plus, we now have a level of redundancy we could never have achieved on our DC, and I dont have to worry about updating VMware / Veeam clusters every 2 years or so (such a pain in the *ss). I'm old school hardware tech, love maintaining servers, storages, SAN networks, etc... but as for myself, I'm going all in with AWS certifications.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Well If you cant move your stuff, to another provider, with in a few month,, they will mess with you at some point.

  • @gamtax
    @gamtax 9 месяцев назад +5

    Clear Skies. Words to live by. My IT colleagues find me odd because I'm the only IT guy who hates cloud services in my circles. I had that reasons when I was asked why I hate cloud services. We're never know how much they charged in the future.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @gamtax
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @uwepolifka4583
    @uwepolifka4583 9 месяцев назад +8

    Extortion seems to be a good working buisiness modell. Especially if it is not illegal

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Well,, here the EU is doing a lot to prevent Extortion on IT,,, but hard to keep up.

  • @hesselkeegstra4286
    @hesselkeegstra4286 9 месяцев назад +2

    Excellent rant. I fully concur. Thanks!

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @hesselkeegstra4286
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @Yandarval
    @Yandarval 9 месяцев назад +4

    That was not a rant. Morton. It was a good business strategy. My workplace does exactly what you suggested. We have two servers running each of the competing Hypervisers going just to say we have them and to test against. I do like the Clear Skies buzzword.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Keep the skies clear!! :-)

  • @juleklO
    @juleklO 9 месяцев назад +2

    An incredible look into the experience of modern IT specialist issues, absolutely love it!

  • @leo_craft1
    @leo_craft1 6 месяцев назад +1

    I think this man just predicted the future

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  6 месяцев назад

      Pick your software with great care!! :-)

  • @adlerweb
    @adlerweb 9 месяцев назад +1

    Another idea worth keeping in mind: Open APIs and splitting systems. Who cares which cloud is used if both speak OpenStack? Is management really such a pain if most stuff is just SNMP/SMTP/…? Who cares about downtimes if your're not using a vendor SAN api, but got something like Ceph in between? At least for server stuff you can build a stack that doesn't really care which hardware you're using.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Yes open standards,,, is great for keeping the prices down.

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 9 месяцев назад +1

    I like the Clear Sky phrase, going to start using it. I'm anti-cloud.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      The Clear Sky's days are way better then the clouded ones.. :-)

  • @bostjanko
    @bostjanko 9 месяцев назад +2

    Morten, as an former "big IT company employee" I can, and at the same time cannot agree with you. If big companies (customers) squeeze all they can out of an vendor, just because they are so big that vendor needs the revenue (and 0 or somethimes even negative margin) you can guess where big IT vendor get's his margin on HW. On small "run rate" deals done with small companies buying a few servers in a year. So smaller companies and individuals pay premium pricing to help support "your" bigger earnings achieved by saving a few bucks. There is a wery thin line between an ok deal and a bad one in hardware and when you are pushed to cross it, it is a win, but a sour one. For software and cloud this is another story. Development cost is gone already, now the only cost of a SW product is licence paper and of course support and development of new versions. But margins are with bigger vendors always set at 99%.
    BTW i really like your Clear Sky Strategy... will sell your idea onwards.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Just with everything else, you need volume to get good prices,, I am also not able to make as good deals if i need 4 servers.
      My job is to get the best deal for my company,, there is no doubt in my mind that they are still making good money on the stuff I buy.

  • @sybreeder86
    @sybreeder86 9 месяцев назад +4

    I have such thing in my company. I went with Supermicro and now i'm inbetween Dell, Lenovo Epyc servers.
    i will never go with HPE again.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hope you can negotiate some good prices.

  • @galen__
    @galen__ 9 месяцев назад +1

    Totally agree with everything you said here 👍

  • @onurjp
    @onurjp 9 месяцев назад +2

    Thank you for sharing your precious experience and advices. That was so helpful.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Hi @onurjp
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @fusedglass01
    @fusedglass01 9 месяцев назад +2

    Watch out for the politics. I've seen it where Big Vendor gives the executive of the company you work for a large kick back under the table.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Yep have seen that as well,,, when they can't win a fight,, they will play dirty, and get personal.

  • @matiasm.3124
    @matiasm.3124 9 месяцев назад +2

    That's is why always recommend first open source solutions

    • @user-jg1gk5pt5z
      @user-jg1gk5pt5z 9 месяцев назад +1

      Totally agree, but for some reason the corporate world is too brainwashed so when you suggest open source software they perceive it as a downgrade even if some are much better than their closed contreparts. Big players like sap and vmware are unbeatable when it comes to their salesmens and sales pitch...

    • @SakuraChan00
      @SakuraChan00 9 месяцев назад

      @@user-jg1gk5pt5z also if businesses help fund said open source projects and ask for features they tend to get them and help both parties grow

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @matiasm.3124
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @TantissTheEmperor
    @TantissTheEmperor 9 месяцев назад +3

    yup, this is becoming crazy out there with DLC solutions and cloud based billing stuff increasing each renewal. I totally agree with your position. Mixing stuff is a really good way to have leverage in negotiations. Until you need a mainframe, then IBM is your only reasonable choice, but you should have the deep pocket then :D

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Than you need to be able to run what ever you want to run on a mainframe,,, on linux,, as well.

  • @JerryScroggin
    @JerryScroggin 9 месяцев назад +1

    Wise words.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @JerryScroggin
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @moow950
    @moow950 9 месяцев назад +1

    Adobe is really champion in this!!! Pay or lose access to your tools

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I made a active decision to not use Adobe,, years back,,, when they started that. Still happy with that. (my video editing software)

  • @dave24-73
    @dave24-73 9 месяцев назад +1

    I had a similar issue with Adobe they tried to double my subscription after a year, I advised them to cancel all services, and in return they advised they would allow me to retain the original price. This just shows they don’t need to increase their prices but will try it on to increase revenue.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      You can do that if you have negotiation power,, if they know it will cost you to much. You would not get that deal.

  • @Sansui350A
    @Sansui350A 9 месяцев назад +2

    So I dumped this comment earlier, but basically this is what I was trying to say, which was misinterpreted. VMWare has had nasty business practices long before the Broadcrap buyout. Support issues, parasitic product packaging/sales, etc etc. It "works" just fine. Mostly. This cloud crap is just bad news all around.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Hi @Sansui350A
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      They are just greedy... :-/

  • @matthiaslange392
    @matthiaslange392 9 месяцев назад +1

    There's no cloud. Just other person's computer. And also a buzzword to hide all the rubbish they made to get the control over your data.
    My strategy: two own self hosted local datacenters with mirroring or replication. And backup-storage at a seperated place (other building) and additional offline-backups on external storage (only connected at backup-time).
    And from time to time i restore backups of the live machines on isolated VMs and leave them powered down until the next restore. And for sure I test to migrate VMs or bare-metal installations to different hypervisors and/or hardware.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @matthiaslange392
      I have been thinking about making a comparansens with transportations,,, where all public transport is the cloud,, so if you want to use cloud,,, take the bus.
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @kennethbudts105
    @kennethbudts105 9 месяцев назад +1

    I loved this (valid) rant 😂

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @kennethbudts105
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @bertblankenstein3738
    @bertblankenstein3738 9 месяцев назад +2

    The cloud is still a buzzword I guess, but I view it differently. I view the cloud as a means for big tech to arbitrarily changes the terms and conditions, and perhaps even use your data for their analytics. I have my own storage operated by me. Cloud connected devices are just things you paid for but soon have to pay subscription fees to continue to use them for the safety of the children.
    I like how you went on this rant. There is a lot to be angry about.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Clear Sky,, is the way to go!

  • @snowdog993
    @snowdog993 9 месяцев назад +1

    Synology LOL! Yeah I can relate! They think they can use their devices for enterprise networks! TY for agreeing with me!

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I did not talk about Synology,, did I ??

    • @snowdog993
      @snowdog993 9 месяцев назад

      Maybe I was thinking about sales people always pushing their products... my mistake.

  • @KeithHeinrich
    @KeithHeinrich 9 месяцев назад +1

    The hardware OES/OEL model forcing hardware upgrades every four years whether you want or need to or not. I see car manufacturers are moving into the subscription model for unlocking "features" now also.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I do not like that,, I do like to get new subscribers,, but that is different..

  • @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse
    @Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 9 месяцев назад +1

    09:06 if they are both going back to the same supplier then its just their profit margin your bargaining over.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      It is a bit more complicated than that,, not all companies will get the same prices from the producer, and they also get a yearly kickback for the producer,,, and they might share some of that with me.

  • @minigpracing3068
    @minigpracing3068 9 месяцев назад +1

    XCP-NG now has a vmware to xen migration method, it's supposed to be easy but I have no experience with the process. I've only done VHD imports into XCP-NG.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @minigpracing3068
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @user-mg4wi1zl5p
    @user-mg4wi1zl5p 9 месяцев назад +1

    Hi, thanks for the video, super helpful.
    I want to apologize, I tried to report an ad (which is phishing), but I accidentally reported the video. I can't find a way to remove the report :(

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      humm and for onces I am not trying to sell you anything :-)

    • @user-mg4wi1zl5p
      @user-mg4wi1zl5p 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse I'm sorry. I really like you and I like your channel. I can give you the ID of the report so you can tell them it's a mistake.

  • @guywhoknows
    @guywhoknows 9 месяцев назад +1

    AHH a lot of business do this, it's like car insurance, they auto renew, which can make a price adjustment.
    But they trust that people are lazy so won't hunt around.. most internet providers do the same...
    We did office/business software back in 2007 that allowed multi users bla bla, we did it free. I believe it's still available maybe maintained as it was massively popular. Facebook used it.. can't remember what it's called, desk something.. hot desk, multi desk I really don't know,
    But CRM does the same?? Used to..

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Would love to get some more competition going.

    • @guywhoknows
      @guywhoknows 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse the problem is the investment to start up in what's a closed market. There are other companies that makes things with the most obscure names.

  • @bluefoxtv1566
    @bluefoxtv1566 9 месяцев назад +1

    Was never a fan of cloud computing as i don't like having my data held hostage.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      No that can really suck,,, and then the prices goes up.

  • @jk-mm5to
    @jk-mm5to 9 месяцев назад +1

    Kinda like a cpu maker charging premiums to unlock integrated function accelerators.

  • @CarlAlban
    @CarlAlban 9 месяцев назад +1

    Tune in next Tuesday for more Doom & Gloom with 'Mortens Midweek Melancholy Mumblings'
    Now if none of you are using that rope I'd like to borrow it 😢
    😂

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Tune in and enjoy feeling way smarter than the host of My PonnyShow :-)

  • @leonardshand7845
    @leonardshand7845 9 месяцев назад +1

    The cloud is just someone else’s computer which moves your control to them.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      Swamp computing,, just try and get out again.

  • @skynetcybersystem3tech
    @skynetcybersystem3tech 9 месяцев назад +1

    👍

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      Hi @skynetcybersystem3tech
      Thank You very much! glad you liked the video :-)
      Thank you for watching! :-)

  • @wilsmith7173
    @wilsmith7173 9 месяцев назад +1

    Morten's Post Mortem ? 😀

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I do not understand.

    • @wilsmith7173
      @wilsmith7173 9 месяцев назад

      a play on words .. your name and the end game analysis of your perception of buying hardware. the examination of the after effect, so to speak.

  • @wallenstein-dk9468
    @wallenstein-dk9468 9 месяцев назад +1

    hi Morden just so you know the company AMD has closed support for the graphics cards it's Polaris gpu it just killed support for them just so you know

  • @johng.1703
    @johng.1703 9 месяцев назад +2

    oh you don't buy it, you rent it.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I do not rent stuff..

    • @johng.1703
      @johng.1703 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse if you have ever bought a perpetual software license, that is a long term rental paid upfront. You have no ownership rights, you can’t change, modify, and in many cases sell it.
      You can buy and own a license, but you don’t own the software.

  • @rrittenhouse
    @rrittenhouse 9 месяцев назад +1

    Only 3 more to 1337 ;)

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад +1

      why is that a spicial number?

    • @rrittenhouse
      @rrittenhouse 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse it's like spelling "leet" which is short for "elite". Just a funny nerdy thing.

  • @SakuraChan00
    @SakuraChan00 9 месяцев назад +2

    buy Supermicro servers! call it a day

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      I have yet to see a Supermicro server that I felt was enterprise.

  • @Friendroid
    @Friendroid 9 месяцев назад +1

    This is what will happen with cars, it looks like.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      with firmware or ??

    • @Friendroid
      @Friendroid 9 месяцев назад

      @@MyPlayHouse locking/unlocking features for a fee/subscription or a car that wont start because it cant connect to the network or because you have traffic tickets to pay for.

  • @Prime0pt
    @Prime0pt 9 месяцев назад +1

    I thought netapp is biggest storage vendor.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      No Dell EMC is bigger,, not the newest numbers but Q2-2022 Dell EMC was 26.98% and NETAPP 9.93%

  • @ADMEDIA_UK
    @ADMEDIA_UK 9 месяцев назад +1

    Have a look at parallels, ,it is cheaper than citrix. Maybe do a video on it.

    • @MyPlayHouse
      @MyPlayHouse  9 месяцев назад

      :-) We have a lot of users,, Parallels prices is like 3X through negotiations would be needed.