I love that cover with the shark in the sky, so badass. It seems like the name of this game is a play an "Tora! Tora! Tora!" (Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!), which is the name of a war movie and also the code-word that was used to signal the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor during WW2.
Toaplan said they thought Tiger (in 'Kyuukyoku Tiger') "sounded strong" and they got Same! Same! Same! by thinking "what other animal sounds strong"? They hit upon shark.
For those who like the fast bullets but prefer something a bit more forgiving, I would recommend trap15's hack. It makes checkpoints more forgiving by giving you maximum movement speed from the start (no speed powerups) and making every powerup upgrade the weapon rather than every third powerup. Additionally, powerups stay on the screen for less time, making powerup dodging less annoying. It also includes built-in autofire. I've still never gotten past stage 5 or 6, but at least it feels less like the game actively hates me.
I actually wondered if this great game had a more "playable" edition. Toaplan themselves say they regretted succumbing to pressure from arcade operators and the resultant overall difficulty of Same! Same! Same! I dislike Speed-Ups in any shooter personally too, just because the game has to be balanced around them. And when you can't pick enough up at certain recovery positions, you're screwed.
When even Jaimers, the shmup master himself, said that this is the hardest arcade shmup ever made... *You know you better stay away from this game, if you value your sanity*
We played it in a competition with over 120 people for an entire month a few months ago, no one beat it (someone did make it to the final stage and clear the day after it ended though) Best I could do was barely making it in to Stage 4 Best Jaimers could do was making it to Stage 9 which was good enough for 2nd place
Managed to 10 loop the European version on Player 2 side which is easier. The Bullet hell was never this crazy until around the 6th loop. What I don't get with shumps fans is that Tatsujin/Truxton came out after this game and players were rating it's difficulty with the bullet hell above this game. Truxton was difficult for its time but no where near as intense as this game.
Just watched this again and noticed a mistake in the captions. The clear bonus doesn't double with each loop, it increases by 1m, eventually maxing out at 10m.
@@God-ch8lq - No, Toaplan forever! I love that you love CAVE though. I despise the backlash against their awesome games just because they're contemporary...
Gotta dig all the little visual flourishes like the enemy planes spiralling to the ground and all the little hijinks happening around the airfields. Nice WW1 motif too which the design sticks to fairly faithfully - love the big warships with the janky ass hexagonal turret configuration, which was an actual thing until naval engineers and tacticians worked out just having superfiring sets fore and aft was the optimal way to go. It's probably here because, as _World of Warships_ players will be only too aware, the IJN's like first dreadnought-pattern battleship (and many other designs of the period) used it.
It may not look like it but this game comes close to being as hard as an LNN of a Touhou game. post-my own sam3 1p clear edit: probably ufo lnbnv tier actually
I remember he did a save-state clear attempt stream of the latter a couple years back, took 2h30 to beat. The video's still there, with chat reaction. Its description is enough to guess how he felt about ithe thing. Wonder if he's ever gonna go back to it.
Are you using semi-auto for this or are you the fastest Track and Field player on Earth? This is one of the only shooters I personally have to "cheat" and use semi-auto fire. I knacker my trigger arm in all the others but there's no way I can do enough damage quickly enough without in this.
@@handlessuck589 I just realized it's not "Same" like two objects being identical, but "Som-ay" because no shit, Japanese. Now it sounds MUCH better in my head. lol
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33:33 The most amazing part starts at this point.
12:12
Jaimers: Bullets will start to get really fast at this point.
Me: OH, THEY WEREN'T ALREADY?
The terms “limping” and “bleeding out” very accurately describe what happens after the first death...
58:26 *GAME OVER, MAN!*
I love that cover with the shark in the sky, so badass.
It seems like the name of this game is a play an "Tora! Tora! Tora!" (Tiger! Tiger! Tiger!), which is the name of a war movie and also the code-word that was used to signal the surprise attack on Pearl Harbor during WW2.
manuel approves
Toaplan said they thought Tiger (in 'Kyuukyoku Tiger') "sounded strong" and they got Same! Same! Same! by thinking "what other animal sounds strong"? They hit upon shark.
Ah yes, the deadliest enemy of them all - the powerups
For those who like the fast bullets but prefer something a bit more forgiving, I would recommend trap15's hack. It makes checkpoints more forgiving by giving you maximum movement speed from the start (no speed powerups) and making every powerup upgrade the weapon rather than every third powerup. Additionally, powerups stay on the screen for less time, making powerup dodging less annoying. It also includes built-in autofire. I've still never gotten past stage 5 or 6, but at least it feels less like the game actively hates me.
Same!Same!Same! The Good Edition
I'd much prefer 2P version with side-screen scrolling hack
I actually wondered if this great game had a more "playable" edition. Toaplan themselves say they regretted succumbing to pressure from arcade operators and the resultant overall difficulty of Same! Same! Same!
I dislike Speed-Ups in any shooter personally too, just because the game has to be balanced around them. And when you can't pick enough up at certain recovery positions, you're screwed.
When even Jaimers, the shmup master himself, said that this is the hardest arcade shmup ever made...
*You know you better stay away from this game, if you value your sanity*
We played it in a competition with over 120 people for an entire month a few months ago, no one beat it (someone did make it to the final stage and clear the day after it ended though)
Best I could do was barely making it in to Stage 4
Best Jaimers could do was making it to Stage 9 which was good enough for 2nd place
There's worse but this is definitely one of the most vicious.
Managed to 10 loop the European version on Player 2 side which is easier. The Bullet hell was never this crazy until around the 6th loop.
What I don't get with shumps fans is that Tatsujin/Truxton came out after this game and players were rating it's difficulty with the bullet hell above this game. Truxton was difficult for its time but no where near as intense as this game.
R R Because Tatsujin Ou came out afterward and was somehow even harder.
@@serraramayfield9230 Just wonder, did Jaimers ever do a playthrough of Tatsujin Ou? I don't think there is a video of it.
the name is the response you get from posting something very relatable
OMG SAME! SAME! SAME!
Just watched this again and noticed a mistake in the captions. The clear bonus doesn't double with each loop, it increases by 1m, eventually maxing out at 10m.
Im playing this on the Mini v now. This game is absolutely BRUTAL its ridiculous, but I love Toaplan games!
Love your work, dude!
Time to study up bois, new M2 port and Mister cores dropping soon
Good run dude
I quite enjoyed this game on the MD even if it's a right bastard later.
Great run and commentary as usual.
I though you were exaggerating about the green powerup, but man, they really try to shove the "focused" shot into your mouth here.
Toaplan forever!
I'm more of a CAVE guy
@@God-ch8lq - No, Toaplan forever! I love that you love CAVE though. I despise the backlash against their awesome games just because they're contemporary...
The bullet visibility is miraculously bad, it only added to the difficulty.
Gotta dig all the little visual flourishes like the enemy planes spiralling to the ground and all the little hijinks happening around the airfields. Nice WW1 motif too which the design sticks to fairly faithfully - love the big warships with the janky ass hexagonal turret configuration, which was an actual thing until naval engineers and tacticians worked out just having superfiring sets fore and aft was the optimal way to go.
It's probably here because, as _World of Warships_ players will be only too aware, the IJN's like first dreadnought-pattern battleship (and many other designs of the period) used it.
Did the musician for this game listen to a lot of Rush?
Quite possibly, Masahiro Yuge loves his prog - shmuplations.com/toaplan-yuge1/
autofire isnt the twin galaxies way
Every time I see Twin Galaxies mentioned my perception of them just gets worse and worse I swear.
Breathing is banned in Twin Galaxies iirc
Every game center in Japan that runs this has autofire boards so they can suck my dick
Mad respect!
This puts my 2CC Striker's 1945 to shame when you talk about fast bullet hell. From Mills@ShumpsForum
Stellar stuff.
Idk what shump is the hardest one between the original 1P version of Same! Same! Same! or the JP version of Gradius III (AC).
It may not look like it but this game comes close to being as hard as an LNN of a Touhou game.
post-my own sam3 1p clear edit: probably ufo lnbnv tier actually
Lol tohou...
It's harder, cuz if you die, recovery is a bitch
Also ur hitbox is the entire sprite, bullets are pc98 levels of fast, and bullet visibility is low
@@God-ch8lq Just the wings are the hitbox but the point still stands
@@ZPS_STG good 2 know
What are your thoughts of Truxton II / Tatsujin Ou? It is said to be one of those very hard games as well.
I remember he did a save-state clear attempt stream of the latter a couple years back, took 2h30 to beat. The video's still there, with chat reaction. Its description is enough to guess how he felt about ithe thing. Wonder if he's ever gonna go back to it.
@@balneor maybe with the M2 ShotTriggers release. But again, it's Truxton II / Tatsujin Ou.
Green weapon is equal to blue balls in stage 4 boss of Salamander arcade
Jaimers i have a question, what do you use to play these shmups? Joystick? Keyboard? Or arcade stick?
Sega Saturn pad.
So…am I in the minority for liking Fire Beam?
Impossible shark game
Can you play 12 straight hours and get to 99,999,990?
Are you using semi-auto for this or are you the fastest Track and Field player on Earth? This is one of the only shooters I personally have to "cheat" and use semi-auto fire. I knacker my trigger arm in all the others but there's no way I can do enough damage quickly enough without in this.
toaplan what cave can't
What a strange name
Oh its supposed to mean
Shark!Shark!Shark! or something along those lines. Some sort of signal in WW2.
@@handlessuck589 I just realized it's not "Same" like two objects being identical, but "Som-ay" because no shit, Japanese. Now it sounds MUCH better in my head. lol
waht the fuck