Who Was The Most NERFED Character In Super Smash Bros. Ultimate?
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- Опубликовано: 18 ноя 2024
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Daisy got nerfed harder than Peach. For the kids who don't know, Daisy used to have unique properties with her turnips that allowed for high percentage combos/kill setups but they took that away from her and made both of their turnips the exact same.
This is also really unfortunate! I wish both PEach & Daisy had prepatch Daisy turnips! That would have been so fun c:
That was cus daisy for some reason had smash 4 numbers and properties for turnip
@@xmalin1 I think it should've stayed, because at least then Daisy wouldn't be a literal reskin of Peach
@@LADYLXCKwhy would you want them to be the exact same…
@@DeepfriedBeans4492 daisy turnips were all around better for them: they had less knock back which made for longer combos (more damage/0-deaths) that Paisy can no longer access. Peach already can't kill so more damaging combos would be nice
Honestly kinda sad pichu got nerfed, I understand why but I wish it wasn’t as much. He adds a unique challenge being so light, but pulling out tons of damage.
So does Fox, Pikachu, Squirtle and G&W
Void at genesis was a magical sight
The self damage was also pretty cool to play around. Made his bs a lot easier to accept.
@@sentoworf Honestly the self damage related to an indirect buff because Ultimate has rage.
TBH, I'd agree with every Pichu nerf he got IF they had left his hitbox alone... It's pretty retarded that he's easier to hit than Pikachu now.. that said, his forward tilt WAS stupid! LOL and I get he was always meant to be a joke character but still, it was kinda cool to see him be actually viable in his own ways and overcome those short comings.
It's sad to see how much they destroyed Pichu cause even though he's a meme character he was still 1 of my favorites 😔
Bruh Pichu was a nightmare, and it was hard to even convince people he was so strong too because "it's a meme character, it's designed to be bad" the hurtbox being bigger than pikachu's is a nonsense nerf, like how did that actually occur to them?
the nerf to Peach’s KO power hit the hardest honestly….she cannot reliably kill until like 150% unless you do offstage shenanigans whilst the inclusion of DLC’s with much more ridiculous kill power and cheese haven’t seen nerfs ever.
right, they nerf the cast so much but then release over-powered characters
Yes, yes! This really hurts. Especially since she is very demanding on a player's hands. You break your hands to get damage w/ combos and once they stop working (around 110-150%) have to play neutral to earn a kill against heavy zoning, DLC & disjoints. Mind you she is much lighter (and weaker KO wise) than a character like NESS! She even *lost a kill throw she's had in every game* ! Really unfortunate how this character has been treated :/
@@sass_king5576 but majority of the base cast are A tier and up?
Cap harder bro, peach doesn't not struggle to kill by any means. Nair, back air, fair, side B, up smash, F smash, strong turnips and counter sometimes.
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I main Pichu. I actually started playing him after the nerf cuz I didn’t read the patch notes and when I found out about it a year ago I was so confused and heartbroken. Pikachu was always better than Pichu no matter what people say. The nerfs to his f-tilt I didn’t really care about, but the fact that his hurtbox is now bigger than pika’s is absurd. That being said I still love him and play him instead of Pika for principle alone.
I main pichu still too
Yeah they overdid his nerf a lot. The F-tilt nerf I understood but why did they make him so much easier to hit?
Looking back at Ultimate's balancing, it's clear the developers based their nerfs on how well a few players utilized them. Now they've left characters like Steve, Kazuya, Terry, and Aegis run amok since they stopped with the patches.
So lame.
One character no one talks about in terms of nerfs is argably the first one to recieve a massive blow to his gameplan: Mega Man. He's perfectly fine now, but when the game launched? He had the potential to be obnoxiously toxic thanks to how special moves worked but specifically Leaf Shield. To put simply, you can shoot out pellets, jump, and during the pellet animation you can cancel it with a special move. What this meant is you can walk up to someone with melon's, and by canceling it to Leaf Sheild, you can shield poke them constnatly or deal insane damage. In other words, he was a better R.O.B.. Having the far range options with said pellets and other projectiles, but insane close range pressure to boot.
In 2.0.0, Mega Man only recieved 1 change, but that change was enough to bring him down a lot and stagnate his gameplan, as he can no longer cancel jumping pellets with special attacks.
Chrom also deserves a mention since the "Chromside" was significantly toned down in said patch.
Vars, I think it would be cool to see you try doing a series where you recommend new characters for us to try based on our mains and how we use them. Too many people are too scared to try new characters because they're so convinced no one else could ever work for them!!
I agree, Peach was the top tier I think that was hurt by DLC the most, especially fighting pass 2. Way to many additional losing matchups.
Such a fall from grace. I dont even know if I'd say she's top 10 anymore. I think she's a gatekeeper for it. If Peach *doesnt* make your character sweat, they're probably top 10.
I feel like Peach wins or goes even against most of fp2 if anything, from recent showings. particularly aegis and kazuya match ups feel like she just does her usual stuff with little resistance. She also definitely has the tools to deal with Steve (see, mutace recently)
I understand where the devs were coming from when nerfing each character. At the same time though, because of the nerfs and the added dlc characters, they weren’t future proofed for the inevitable overlooked power of the new inclusions or even a good amount of the power creepers of the late game. I think they do great stuff when they buff characters, but I think they still need to work on nerfing characters carefully.
Definitely an HM to Ivysaur here. While he didn't receive *too* many nerfs overall, each one was laser-focused on a core aspect of the character's gameplan. Razor Leaf receiving more cooldown, Dair becoming significantly weaker on the sourspot, and Vine Whip becoming weaker in general very significantly impacted his neutral, edgeguarding, and throw confirms, respectively.
Was it all deserved? Probably; that character was a menace lmao. But it definitely did hurt his and PT's overall viability as a result.
That's a good point. I do think early Ivysaur's gameplay was over-centralized around those few options, and nowadays PT is better balanced in the uses of all 3 Pokemon. With the rumors of Ivy doing well against Steve, Pokemon Trainer might still be a relevant secondary character to use. I could imagine Ivysaur doing well against other Fighter Pack 2 characters as well.
She*
Mostly all of them won an important torunament before they got nerfed, that makes me thinking about what kind of nerfed would get Kazuya and Steve if we get a new patch.
WFT might count as an honorary. We really don't know how good the character would have been if they hadn't reverted soccer ball, but that change alone had pretty much the entire WFT community ready to throw out MU notes, gameplans, and the general consensus on the best way to play the character because of how drastically it changed all of gameplay states. And then they put out a specific patch to un-DLC her.
I remember at early Smash playing Pichu and Olimar and thinking "Yeah, I can main these guys, they are cool and fun" and after practicing and labbing them for a few months with my friends and alone for a small local tournament, the patch dropped and I was like "no big deal, it shouldn't have changed much anyways"
Then I saw the patch video about Pichu and saw him getting destroyed, Olimar not so much, he needed the nerfs for his size and annoyance, but Pichu didn't deserve the size, kill power and self damage nerfs. One would've been fine, not all.
I still play them for fun but never for serious tournament play
A couple more honorable mentions I would've included are Ivysaur, Min Min, and Inkling.
Ivysaur is still probably the best overall Pokemon in PT's arsenal, but they're no longer as broken as they once were. PT overall is still an amazing character and I'd personally say the trade of nerfing Ivysaur and buffing Charizard was a good thing in the long term. I personally believe they're still top tier, but rather than relying on Ivysaur for everything you now gotta learn all 3 characters to get results.
Min Min is still arguably top tier, but she's nowhere close to being the menace she once was, and she's no longer in the league of being potentially the best character like she was during her early Smash career.
Inkling never really got any major tweaks to their kit, but their nerf is moreso thanks to the Smash community slowly evolving and learning the matchup over time. People finally learned how to deal with roller and ink, and Inkling players started having problems with getting early stocks in a similar vain to characters like Pikachu, Shiek and Peach/Daisy. They had to work HARD or absolutely CHEESE their opponents if they wanted to take away stocks early, which just became too inconsistent. Inkling is still arguably high tier, but they're no longer the top tier threat that they used to be and almost everybody knows how to beat them.
It seems my prediction of Pichu and Olimar being the top 2 most nerfed Ultimate characters came true, but this shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone if they paid attention to the Ultimate scene during the early days. I'm also not surprised that Wario made it on this list, but I thought he'd be lower on the rankings. I was pleasantly surprised to see Peach/Daisy on the list, but in hindsight they're an obvious pick for being a candidate of the most nerfed Ultimate character. I'm also surprised to see ZSS, but I think they should've been in the honorable mentions rather the actual list. I would've personally replaced her with either Inkling or Ivysaur.
Pichu nerf was dumb, he already dose damage to himself and is light weight, he wasn't that hard to deal with. Un-nerf my boy, if you gonna give Pikachu a pancake hurt box then give Pichu should get one too
I still main Pichu to this day but god man those launch Pichu days were the golden days. So sad to see Pichu get nerfed THAT hard. Hes still the cutest little lightning rat in my eyes though.
Poor Pichu. He was steam rolled
Watching Pichu die hurt the most I'm not going to lie I fucking love that character.
Mega Man to me is the most nerfed character. When he was nerfed, he lost his macro cancel tech which allowed him to cancel any of his grounded pellets into anything he wanted, an easy leaf shield cancel that only required him to skid forward after running and throw metal blade, and leaf shield got 2 frames of startup and end lag added.
I wanna point out that saying zss’s nair was completely unpunishable is true on paper but never in practice: short hop multiplier, staling, spacing and height of hitbox landing all play a huge part in how safe a move is
Sure, there WERE cases where you could get the perfect unpunishable nair, but most of the time it would have been a -3/-4 move, contrary to the now consistent -5/-6 (-4 on paper)
Was still an amazing move though, -4 for a disjoint kill confirm/combo tool is incredible
Rip my boy Pichu. We had a good run early on 😭
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“All you’re doing is making your life harder”
Ouch
Pichu and maybe Olimar were the only ones who really solidly dropped a tier cause of their nerfs. (They're still good)
Everyone else got off easy, especially compared to how overnerf characters can get between Smash games.
I miss the shield damage my axes and crosses used to do.
Pleasantly surprised people still think ab Belmont!
Thank god because the Belmonts are extremely annoying to fight
@@LADYLXCK I've wanted a Belmont since the Brawl days. I still main Simon! There are literally dozens of us!
@@mschmalfeldt there are 2 at my locals somehow, to be fair there are also 2 little macs, 2 Ridleys, a villager, and Isabelle, a dedede, a metaknight, and a hero who all frequently top 8
Rip Pichu the true glass canon
10:41 I remember that shit- it was SDR pichu and that pichu was busted fun- its too evident though- SDR pichu damages itself far less.
In my honest opinion, I don't think Pichu was ever that strong to begin with. Even before the nerfs, Pichu representation and results where starting to fall off, with VoiD's 2nd placement at Genesis, only one month after the game released, still being to this day the character's peak, and Pichu players as a whole was getting more inconsistent results. VoiD expressed concerns on staying with the character due to how risky the character is, fully dropping the character afterwards due to the nerfs.
The character benefitted heavily from the early Ultimate meta where we were still figuring out the game, and due to new-toy syndrome (Pichu might as well have not existed in Melee) the character was developed super early on as a result. Players eventually figured out how to deal with Pichu's tricks and gameplan (such as with ftilt spam at the ledge). However, more importantly, more characters got their punish games optimized with time and even further buffed from game updates, exploiting Pichu's poor defenses more and making Pichu's own merits less attractive at the same. Why play Pichu, when you can play characters with similar punish games that isn't made out of paper, doesn't have stubby range, or doesn't hurt itself with every move?
tl:Dr, Pichu's drastic fall from the meta was inevitable and expected. The nerfs simply accelerated the process. Even with the a lot of the recoil changes reverted (Agility actually deals less recoil damage than vanilla Pichu does), it didn't really change anything about the character's standing in the meta.
Losing his side tilt made him lose top tier l, his side tilt was his best kill move
@@Joh-o1r I disagree, it was his best ledge tool for sure. His best kill move with actual practice is Dair.
I get your point. Personally though, I think what sealed his fate was the self damage increase. It pretty much cut his already low survivability in half :(
You didn't mention Mega Man who was nerfed harder than literally any character
Everyone forgot how broken month 1 Mega Man was
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I knew a guy that loved pre-patch Pichu he avoided the patch at all costs, tried turning off updates and he limited WiFi usage.
Zss didnt deserve the nerfs. That character is so cool to watch even though my character loses hard to her
Pichu was fucking murdered and the f-tilt was gutted in speed too (it deserved)
Ganondorf is a honorable mention
Yes, he was bad but dyk he have *TRUE GANONCIDE* in vanilla Ultimate ?!?
They def nerfed the fuck outta Min Min tho
I agree with this list. Anyone that knows anything about 1.0.0 would know that pichu and olimar were the most heavily nerfed, even though olimar was actually worse off for a while because the bigger hurtbox caused full shield to get poked. Wario and zss are an easy 3 and 4, but I'd personally say that joker is number 5. Although joker went from number 1 to maybe number 1 still, definitely top 5, the nerfs were insane. Losing guns hit boxes was so detrimental and arsene going down quicker is so much worse than what happened to peach imo (even though I think the change was a cool way to do it)
I'm not even sure if Pichu is mid-tier these days. You gotta figure he takes about 15% from self-inflicted damage every stock (maybe more!), and considering that you can kill him 10-15% earlier than most of the cast, it feels like you're playing a handicap mode. Plus his small hitboxes are more of a problem in today's meta than the early meta.
ZSS nerfs were overblown bc people overrated her so much pre patch. Nerfs were bad but only dropped her like 5 spots. She was never top 10, people have always misunderstood how she works.
The people who thought ZSS was top 3 are the same people who thought Sheik was #1 in smash 4. AKA theory crafters who have never competed and don't understand how tournaments work
Most of the nerve to pichu was unnecessary the only one that was necessary was his side tilt
I love pichu with all my heart. What happened to him was a tragedy. He went from arguably the best character in the game to a niche, underrepresented mid-tier. He deserved better.
If they had also nerfed Pikachu, then less people would have abandoned Pichu but they literally gave Pikachu a grab buff the same patch, ugh, ID10T patch developers!
patches always ruin social games. melee is amazing precisely because it can't be patched.
I was surprised chrom or ike wasn't on this list
K rools down throw and the vaccum or windbox for his blunderbuss was a major bad nerf was great for his kit and people online complained about it but seeing it competitive it wouldn't hurt anyone since every started to figure out k rools gimmick don't know why they thought these were great to nerf definitely k rools and banjos down throws deserve to be buffed.
Ike's Nair nerf was compensated by buffs in so many other areas that Ike debatably winds up being buffed overall in spite of it. The removal of the Chromikaze sucks but it just made Chrom slightly less explosive, which isn't saying all that much as he still has the ability to kill you as easily as you can kill him.
I miss pichu :(
Woo a new Vars III Vid! I didn't realize Olimar was so nerfed lol
So many other characters should have gotten nerfs or harder nerfs, but they were way too hesitant.
I would say snake. His grenades got a shadow nerf and have been worse since day 1. There is a window when you can hit grenades like actually MAKE CONTACT with them and they dont explode. Ik alot of swordie mains have experienced this but ACTUALLY NOBODY EVER MENTIONS THIS!!!
Funny enough, I still main pichu even with the painful nerfs
Same
sigh. Poor Pichu. I always wanted to just go all out with this one rodent in order to not go along the more popular mascot of Pokemon.
But alas, I only wanted Pichu to be in her prime stats wise but keep the expanded hitbox.
pichu was nerfed the hardest and its not close
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LOL
As a fellow Zelda main (I also main others) I don't think she's bad, but when she struggles she struggles. Lol I do think she's a bit better than most say however. I'd say low mid at best. Since I don't think she quite hits low, but can border on it depending on MU. At least she has utility compared to other Smash games.
Zelda pre-quarantine did actually have a decent place in the meta, thanks to players like ven and Mystearica getting some pretty decent results and wins with her (I'm pretty sure ven took a set off of ESAM at one point).
However despite her reputation as an online warrior, she made very little impact during the quarantine era, and post-quarantine era, Zelda players have struggled to obtain the same success. ven started to complete in less major events and doesn't perform very well in them. Mystearica mostly moved on from Zelda, now maining Palutena.
Despite this being easily the best version of Zelda in the series, she still possess as a lot of the same issues that plagued her in the previous games, which unfortunately mostly comes down to how her moveset is designed.
+1 Would watch
@@Surgemaster2012 she definitely has some noticable weaknesses, the biggest that immediately come to my mind are the loads of starting/ending lag on her moves and inconsistent sweet spot hits with many of her kill options. But personally I feel she more than compensates with crazy kill power, top tier recovery, and her ability to take control of a stage and constantly force your opponent to play rock, paper, scissors with you! She has several ways you can play her viably and so many mix-up options. I can't help feeling like her lack of top level player representation is the main reason people believe she's only good online LOL. And when you get the displaced phantom tech committed to muscle memory (which really isn't too hard with a little practice) it removes one of the biggest weaknesses on an already broken move LOL. Now, if only I could consistently land her teleport cancel tech, she'd be God tier IMHO.
Basically, I really liked her to Sephiroth in a lot of ways (except better recovery options), basically: stage control, trap setups, and a high-risk/high-reward style character. Played correctly (patiently) and she's one of the scariest opponents to face...
As an Olimar main idk why but i barely noticed the changes...
'Nairo retired '
*a trigger Technicals appeared*
As a casual ZSS main, the nerfs have made her incredibly hard to play.
N Air is really hard to space, especially online.
Paralyzer, D Smash, and bury really hurt with online play too. I can't react to a hit, I have to guess whether I'll connect or not.
Up B was one reliable thing to get people off.
Now I feel like I get punished all the time, have very poor OOS options, and SD a lot because of controller/buffer/online jank and flip kick
I agree
Mega Man got nerfed allot right?
they took away sonics best mix up shield out of spin dash lots of people forget he used to do that..
Bro Mega Man got gutted leaf shield was safe and pellet up tilt was a thing if I'm correct
How can you forget about ike? They gutted him. My boi was top 10 before the nerfs, now he's a low tier.😥
As I palu and zss this video was a great confirmation bias boost for my johns. Regarding palu allow me to spare no expense in time sharing that I would trade just about anything to get her grab range and forward air safety back. To this day I still whiff grabs and look like an idiot cause I was spoiled.
Remember when meta knight in brawl and smash 4 bayo was a thing,
Yeah me neither
calling out Marss frame one is hilarious
Why is nobody talking about Inkling? Anybody remember how common she was at the beginning of Ultimate?
Nerfs aren't what dropped her on the tier list tho, people just realized her kill options are super situational so you can play around them really well
Vars III did a video on why no one plays Inkling that goes into detail.
@@SmokesOnMe Fair, but nerfs didn't really drop Peach either.
@@IRocaNox Okay
Remember the early days when hero was considered to be either a high top tier or among the worst in the game? Good times.
For your next episode of Why No One Plays, you should talk about Little Mac
Omg YES someone else finally noticed how overnerfed Peach is! Yall wonder why you dont see her top 8 in competitive play? It's because she's *very* hard technically on your hands (arthritis is a real thing Peach WILL give you) her only kill move b4 150% is sweetspot Upsmash or an offstage gimp, and all of DLC pack 2 was practically made to counter her. It's really unfortunate watching players who are def top 10 like Mute Ace suffer and struggle with an over nerfed character :/ I think Smash was perfect around when Byleth released, truly a perfect game.
It's extra hard because nobody believes you when they say she's too technically demanding. FGCs do a few stick movements and attack and get a KO, Peach has to do them WITH jump to do... decent combo damage?? WTF The only people that can KO with this character are those who have been maining her since Brawl...
As a pikmin lover
I could never forgive nintendo for this...
But they're giving us pikmin 4 so... I still love em
Min Min definitely should've been honorable mention at least. I would put Min Min over Joker.
lol
I don't understand what the Smash team was thinking with Pichu. Is he supposed to be a meme or an actual fighter and if he is supposed to be a real fighter then he is far too close in design to Pikachu. For being a mascot of the entire Pokemon franchise, they keep finding ways to do Pikachu wrong from making him a middle form rather then a starter form and giving Raichu an evolution or Smash in general. Pichu was was too much cannon and not enough glass at the start and now Pichu is just all glass and no cannon.
While obviously not theist nerfed did you know mii tornado on day 1 could cover the entirety of FD
Can we tag marss? Hell be so happy
Luigi is the most nerfed, he used to have the most consistent 0- death and lost all down air combo if opponents is in the ground
Nah he can still 0 to death you with multiple things. They only took that out because it was way too easy to do
Good, I hate playing against all these characters
Next up: characters who never got nerfed or buffed
Zero suit was widely seen as the best character in the game in Japan before the nerf. Not saying that's necessarily true, but she was absolutely top 5 in my opinion. I actually think before that patch (7.0 I think?) the top 4 was probably Joker, Wario, ZSS and Palu lol. The nerfs may have been deserved, but I do miss old Zero Suit nair lol
Wario was never even top 10, he was just easy but people learned the matchup and he’s really struggling now. People blame the nerfs but the nerfs did pretty much nothing.
@@Clarkbardoone bruh so many games gluto has lost has been because of the waft frame nerfs alone.
This was always absolute cap, ZSS was never top 5. People overrated her insanely after Marss started beating Leo.
Even pre patch she still had bad ledge trapping, bad OOS, low damage output, inconsistent hitboxes, and a high ratio of losing matchups against the top 20
@@Clarkbardoone wario legitimately had so so so many more confirms into waft. There was dair half waft which is absurd out of a multihit mixup on shield that was guaranteed at any percents. He also had fair half waft and up tilt waft was legit free most of the time. All of his nair combos into waft were also a lot more consistent. He even had fucking up throw waft. Dair waft in particular also made falling up air a way better option because it made people hold shield longer than they may have needed to because of the fear of the multihit mix up. I genuinely think Wario was top 1 if his players implemented more of a time out strategy and weren't afraid to waft on stocks one and two. He still might have had some hard matchups like sonic and joker and stuff, and I kinda think that Kazuya for example would have still ended up being a very good counterpick for him in today's meta, but he was legitimately so insanely swingy and explosive prepatch to the point that I do think he was likely best in the game.
@@KodakKid33 Some of this is true, though I would argue that not only was her out of shield game better prepatch because of the nerf to the startup of boost kick, she also is not a character that really needs to shield often. In addition, I do not think her matchup spread back then was particularly bad at all. She had, and still has some of the most insane defense in the game, which is effective against basically every character (with the exception of pyra/mythra prob but they didn't exist then). On top of that defense though, she also was extremely explosive because of how broken nair was. Nair flipkick was legitimately one of the most broken confirms in the game back then because you could get it off of a long ranged minus 2 aerial that also had a shit ton of hit lag so it wasn't even difficult to hit confirm. Nair also was literally safe on parry which was insane. And she also never actually had to nair, she could mix it up with zair and wavebounced paralyzer or side b.
I will concede on the ledgetrapping front, she is bad at that, but back then her corner pressure was so insanely broken and led into kills so so so easily that it didn't really matter. Also yeah her multihits do not work, but that also got worse postpatch because of the boost kick change and that is definitely the worst one to fall out of lol.
They nerfed Peach’s kill power to the point where shes not really broken anymore. More mid-tier. She dies too fast while not being able to kill until extremely high percents.
"Dieing too fast" and not being able to kill until 150% doesnt sound balanced. It sounds over nerfed :/
@@LADYLXCK she can definitely kill before 150, and even if she couldn't she can still combo you up to around 100 off of like half her moves
@@cryguy0000 try playing peach online. All those combos and kill power gone out the window.
You can deal 100% really quickly also she’s still top tier if she was balanced she would be mid tier
@@brandonlinares2093 people have literally made separate tier lists for online because of how trash it is. Saying Peach is worse online is like saying a legless man has a harder time in foot races.
Wouldn't ike be a contender for this list? He went from top-high teir to mid.
also after a major tournament win, just like pichu & olimar
Honorable mention to ike
Would you consider something like Leo dropping Joker to be a meta nerf to the characters at top level? While the character is still strong its is no longer as relevant if a matchup at least for the top players who see likely to encounter Leo in bracket. Of course, he has still pulled out the character when he feels he needs it, but the character is less relevant of an encounter, aside from Sharp's use of him, and Marss and Leo's' use of him as a secondary. Of course this really only affects the level of play these players exist at
Well yeah top players don't really have to study the matchup too much anymore cause you don't see him as much besides marss and zackray. But still think about how common the character is at mid level and below and how leo showed the world everything the character can do by the time he dropped him besides gun edgeguards and footstool gun. He's still top 5 on everyone's tier list. So no not really a Meta nerf as he's still broken but takes skill. Wish he got a nerf to back air endlag because that move is completely fucked
@@eddyspaghettiii I agree with what your saying, espically with how Leo paved the way for the character, no doubt the character was strong with or without leo, but he deffinately at least showed mid level players how strong the character could be.
Olimar wasn't nerfed enough, imo
Rip inkling ❤
Only Olimar deserved nerfs, every character here can’t compete with FP2
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@@tidianebath7338 why tf did you mention hero and terry before joker and aegis???
Its just my opinion. You Can think orherwise.
Please make a video on duck hunt duo
Honestly I feel like these nerfs were deserved, but that's just me because I'm not a fan of these characters,also despite Wario being nerfed I feel like he hasn't everytime I face one
Saying Nairo “retired” is a bit… disingenuous lol
where Ike
They need to nerf tf out of Steve and his shenanigans lol
Ike shouldve definitely been on here.
Bayonetta
No honorable mention for Min Min? They nerfed her Nair, f tilt, f smash, laser, up B, up smash, air dodge... she went from top 20, maybe top 15 to a standard high tier that nobody wants to play or talk about
Are you insane? She's still an insane pick
@@crack4184 Have you not seen pre nerf Min Min?
Pichu is pretty ass, probably the most effective nerf, especially compared to Pikachu
no ike?
Immediately liked bc of P5 music 😩
Banjo is the number one nerfed character.
Banjo boys where you at?
Weird to call ZSS a former high tier when she was top five in the community 2019 tier list, a tier list compiled from the ranked players. She wasn't just notable because of Marss and Kuro. ZSS was considered number one by some people at launch, and for good reason, with options like jab, nair, and of course, boost kick, among other things. Loved the video otherwise.
ZSS needed nerfs that character was ridiculous
Bayonetta was the most nerfed.
I mean from 4 to Ultimate sure but she has rose in the meta and is now considered mid-high tier… this vid is describing them through ultimate
She has a stacked Weighted Matchup Chart tho. FP2 buffed her indirectly
No. This video is about characters have been nerfed the most since Ultimate came out. Bayonetta was nerfed to hell in the transition from 4 to Ultimate, but since then she’s gotten nothing but buffs pretty much
Rightfully so.
@@fissilewhistle untilll they nerfed her even harder when she was fine during Invitational.
Me before watching: gotta be MinMin
Me after watching: damn it
Should've been nerfed more.
i STRONGLY believe that ult version 1.0 is a better game. all the normal smash characters are good, the fighting game characters don’t work, pichu is busted, no dlc, it’s a superior game lol
I think I agree, though there are a lot of characters that needed buffs to become viable (Cloud, Captain Falcon, DK, Diddy, Falco...). I think the sweetspot was after DLC Figher Pack 1 and before Fighter Pack 2 upended the meta with all these characters that don't "feel" like they follow the game mechanics of Ultimate.
@@jonathanlgill that’s fine they can stay bad, most of their game plans are brain dead anyways
@@coolshirtkid I'd take it over the FIghter Pack 2 meta, for sure. I miss the days where Olimar was considered the obnoxious character. Good times.
@@jonathanlgill lol i said that the other day, simpler times
You'd have to ban megaman
No one noticed and he got nerfed quick so he never really took off but 1.0.0 he had the dumbest setups and infinites
Dying to chromicide sucked too