I'm Italian, and it is already the third tm that I buy. I recently purchased the 144 2020 and I did a lot of tests with aftermarket parts .. The best current compromise is Hgs (tm up to 2018), with PC 304 silencer (slightly longer than the original). the bike gained in the gear change and in the highs compared to the standard scalvini (in my opinion lower). Beyond this I have adapted / connected a boyesen Rad valve of a cr 125 2002, the bike has taken more torque in revving up but was losing a bit in high revs, so I put a Vforce 4r that holds much more gear than the boyesen . I also put a more compressed Vhm and the bike is really going strong.I use map 1 with 13/51 ratios. I have videos on my channel if you are interested .. for the slopes that I attend it is a good setting.
fun to see that after some mods on my 300 (supermoto) i ended with an HGS enduro pipe with pc304 silencer too 😄 i understoud the 300cc isn't made to gain more HP but much torque and the complete 304 isn't Perfect. you loose so much torque just for an increase of 1000t/mn and a littler more hp at mid/hight rev. the HGS is soooooo much fun at low/mid on the road.
I drool over the TM 144MX every year when they are released! I'd like to roll one of these into Pro Circuit and tell Mitch to give me the good stuff.....
Yamaha copied TM's blue rims - TM has been running blue rims for the better part of two decades now, and will never have the same swag as a TM as well...I've had both 2016+ era, and the TM's are so much more refined, and the ergos are top notch resulting in comfortable, smooth, and accurate riding and maneuvering. Love this brand and my new TM Racing EN300ES - I don't believe I will be riding anything other than Italian designed engines like TM, Beta, SWM, or AJP for the rest of my life. Next bike will be a big bore four stroke and my choices are gonna be a TM Racing MX450Fi - Twin Pipe, Beta 480RR - Race Edition, SWM RS500R, AJP PR7 - Race, or last but not least the beautiful AJP SPR 510R EN. They all have a different character, high performance, and a solid and dependable reliability. Time to start "nickel-and-diming" my way back to another new bike - it will take awhile, but I now need a 2 and 4 stroke so I can ride about ANYTHING at anytime! ;)
Je viens d'acheter cette moto ( 144 TM 2020 ) , c'est ma premiere TM . J'ai eu des KTM , Honda et Kawa avant . Je peu juste dire que cette 144 TM c'est la meilleur moto que j'ai jamais eu ! Je me suis sentis trop bien dessus dés les premiers tours de roues , et en plus mon dernier 2 temps c'était un 125 SX en 2001 ! Ma moto précédente était un 250 kxf 2018 . Cette 144 TM c'est un vélo hyper maniable et super stable en même temps . Les suspentions b'ai juste réglé la précharge , j'ai même pas essayé de touché un clic elles sont juste au top pour moi d'origine ( 80 kg ) . Le moteur reprend bien , be pilote cette moto comme mon 250 F sans toucher l'embrayage ! Peut être sur les circuit sinueux avec des relances de 0 avec gros saut derrière ( style super cross ) il faudrait avoir une demultiplication plus courte . Par contre il faut utiliser la moto en map 2 la map 1 c'est hyper creux je comprends pas que dans le test ils ne parlent pas de ça la moto est vraiment différente ! Pour les hauts régimes là ça watt !!! La puissance elle est là ! Reste la qualité d'usinage / assemblage de la moto qui est juste magnifique à mes yeux . Non vraiment je suis conquis par cette moto . J'ai roulé 8h avec et je roule déjà bien mieu avec cette TM que mon 250 kxf . A oui j'oublié de dire que c'est une moto trés facile et qui ne fatigue pas , moi qui est 35 ans la différence avec mon kxf est flagrante sur ce point . Cette moto peu largement rivaliser avec des 250 F c'est sur et certain ! Et quel bruit ! Ou son plus tôt , ça craque grave ! Franchement lorsque je changerai cette moto ce sera pour la même !
Hello Jeremy, j'hésite entre un 150sx et cette 144tm, tu as fait ton achat en concession ou livraison ? J'aimerai bien la voir en vrai avant de sauter le pas...
stop imagine and try it you will be surprised 😉 never had any issus to find pieces for mine. except my 2003 perimetrical braking systeme cause it was limited edition blackdream
If the TM came with a 92 tooth rear sprocket, MXA would say they put a 93 on and it made it so much better . Is that written in your contract somewhere? Every bike MXA tested since 1979 somehow needed one tooth bigger on the rear sprocket
currently saving for this bike, the fact there hand made and not mass made by machines interests me, i wish they had a max yearly output but not sure there giving one lol
Nice bike, nice test, nice 125 Pro. I miss those daze, bring them back. 4T are no longer overweight POS, let's race engine size regardless of strokes. 250cc vs 250cc. Bring back the 125 class for new pros, and NO FACTORY BIKES or riders. Allow 360-400cc 2T to race against the 450F. News Flash. A 450 IS AN OPEN CLASS BIKE... DUHHH some when are 250cc bikes supposed to race against THAT? Pure foolishness is what that is. KTM WE LOVE YOU for not giving up on the team two stroke, braaaap. They already have a lot that punches a 250 just to 300, and I'm sure with 1 dinner if yesterday could have a 400cc just in place. The chassis of all modern bikes are exceptional and minor changes to Staunton l suspension would make that work. Braaaap on to TM, KTM, Husqvarna, and Yamaha for not letting the premix crowd die a graceless death.
"...because we are Americans...." 🤔 , ummmm ok, I'm not going to get into the genetics of Northern Europeans vs. Southern Europeans , but I get your point. Hey, Italians have their quirks, and those bikes used to be weirdly set-up. Still WFO powerbands at TM, but what the heck - it's an exotic! BTW - that FXR color combo and SIDI boots really rocks! Nice! Thanks for the test, really enjoyed it.
Bought a ten ten 140 r ten times cheaper and all the torque ...but shocks are no good other than that quick start loads of power ...ten ten all the way
Loads off power think a 140 makes like 16hp these 144 will make 40 ish totally different game jump youre pit bike like these ride that thing it will snap in half
why would Tm be dumb and ktm smart ?? ktm make just a big 125 and you call it smart ? i call it lazy and disrespectfull to customers. Tm make a good job to match everything on the bike. its the same for every other CC they build a new engine
Everyone except MXA literally says KTM's issue with the 150 is that it's just a big bore. MXA says it's smart. But there own magazine test says it isn't lol
Nah, not necessarily. I'm disabled and own a new TM EN300...I got it for a STEAL man, and am so happy I pulled the trigger. Turned down the new Husqvarna TX300i for this and I'm not dissapointed - especially since I am already used to KYBs from my yamaha's beforehand. Just need to find a dealership and get leftovers, and SAVE for something you love.
You don't see them so much simply because they don't make many of them. More than half the bikes they build are the street legal 125 supermotos that sell very well here in Italy and the 450 supermoto for the track. It's kinda rare to see a Tm Mx on the track even here in italy
We got a full tm dealer a hour north of us he been in business for a long time an we have lots of local tracks close to him an everyone here says they r way over priced even left overs
Ya, I almost made the mistake of buying one back in early 90's. It's just too " EXOTIC " now as it was then. Save your money. After owning it the charm wears off.
I get parts for my TM shipped from CA to NY within 3 to 5 days typically...they are far easier to score than backordered parts for my KTMs and there are a few dealerships within a couple hours drive of most spots. These bikes are beyond legit and the charm of having the closest thing to a factory 2-stroke bike never wears off.
@@oldasdirtracingproductions5983 thanks for the info. A friend of mine bought a TM 144MX 2021 in NY, and the dealership there will change fork and shock springs, gearing and other parts for him. The suspension was on the stiff side so a friend revalved both ends and we will test it this weekend. I guess there is a more support for TM in the US nowadays. If I like it, I'll trade my KTM 150 for one.
I'm Italian, and it is already the third tm that I buy. I recently purchased the 144 2020 and I did a lot of tests with aftermarket parts ..
The best current compromise is Hgs (tm up to 2018), with PC 304 silencer (slightly longer than the original).
the bike gained in the gear change and in the highs compared to the standard scalvini (in my opinion lower).
Beyond this I have adapted / connected a boyesen Rad valve of a cr 125 2002, the bike has taken more torque in revving up but was losing a bit in high revs, so I put a Vforce 4r that holds much more gear than the boyesen .
I also put a more compressed Vhm and the bike is really going strong.I use map 1 with 13/51 ratios.
I have videos on my channel if you are interested .. for the slopes that I attend it is a good setting.
fun to see that after some mods on my 300 (supermoto) i ended with an HGS enduro pipe with pc304 silencer too 😄 i understoud the 300cc isn't made to gain more HP but much torque and the complete 304 isn't Perfect. you loose so much torque just for an increase of 1000t/mn and a littler more hp at mid/hight rev. the HGS is soooooo much fun at low/mid on the road.
Beautiful bike, amazing sound!! LONG LIVE THE 2STOKES!!!!!!!!
Always always always always a bunch of chodes that just HAVE to comment on two strokes being so wonderful. We fucking get it bro, Jesus Christ.
@@Evander42117 booooooooooo boooooooooooo boooooooooooo
I drool over the TM 144MX every year when they are released! I'd like to roll one of these into Pro Circuit and tell Mitch to give me the good stuff.....
Pro Circus
I love those blue rims they look so good !
Yz does them blue now
Yamaha copied TM's blue rims - TM has been running blue rims for the better part of two decades now, and will never have the same swag as a TM as well...I've had both 2016+ era, and the TM's are so much more refined, and the ergos are top notch resulting in comfortable, smooth, and accurate riding and maneuvering. Love this brand and my new TM Racing EN300ES - I don't believe I will be riding anything other than Italian designed engines like TM, Beta, SWM, or AJP for the rest of my life. Next bike will be a big bore four stroke and my choices are gonna be a TM Racing MX450Fi - Twin Pipe, Beta 480RR - Race Edition, SWM RS500R, AJP PR7 - Race, or last but not least the beautiful AJP SPR 510R EN. They all have a different character, high performance, and a solid and dependable reliability. Time to start "nickel-and-diming" my way back to another new bike - it will take awhile, but I now need a 2 and 4 stroke so I can ride about ANYTHING at anytime! ;)
You are American right you can't never ever understand TM 🇮🇹 Forza Italia buddy 💪
Je viens d'acheter cette moto ( 144 TM 2020 ) , c'est ma premiere TM .
J'ai eu des KTM , Honda et Kawa avant .
Je peu juste dire que cette 144 TM c'est la meilleur moto que j'ai jamais eu ! Je me suis sentis trop bien dessus dés les premiers tours de roues , et en plus mon dernier 2 temps c'était un 125 SX en 2001 ! Ma moto précédente était un 250 kxf 2018 . Cette 144 TM c'est un vélo hyper maniable et super stable en même temps . Les suspentions b'ai juste réglé la précharge , j'ai même pas essayé de touché un clic elles sont juste au top pour moi d'origine ( 80 kg ) . Le moteur reprend bien , be pilote cette moto comme mon 250 F sans toucher l'embrayage ! Peut être sur les circuit sinueux avec des relances de 0 avec gros saut derrière ( style super cross ) il faudrait avoir une demultiplication plus courte .
Par contre il faut utiliser la moto en map 2 la map 1 c'est hyper creux je comprends pas que dans le test ils ne parlent pas de ça la moto est vraiment différente ! Pour les hauts régimes là ça watt !!! La puissance elle est là !
Reste la qualité d'usinage / assemblage de la moto qui est juste magnifique à mes yeux .
Non vraiment je suis conquis par cette moto . J'ai roulé 8h avec et je roule déjà bien mieu avec cette TM que mon 250 kxf .
A oui j'oublié de dire que c'est une moto trés facile et qui ne fatigue pas , moi qui est 35 ans la différence avec mon kxf est flagrante sur ce point .
Cette moto peu largement rivaliser avec des 250 F c'est sur et certain !
Et quel bruit ! Ou son plus tôt , ça craque grave !
Franchement lorsque je changerai cette moto ce sera pour la même !
Hello Jeremy, j'hésite entre un 150sx et cette 144tm, tu as fait ton achat en concession ou livraison ? J'aimerai bien la voir en vrai avant de sauter le pas...
used to race a TM 99 125 back in the day..the thing was a rocket!
And TM is the world largest manufacturer of engines for Gocarts!
I heard slower testers had some issues at first
I heard that too. I mean two.
M R two strokes!
slower tester have always issues.
Me two.
You guys also tested a modified version that added 4.2 more horsepower, would love to see some video of that MXA
Sheesh, it’s hard enough finding parts for my 04 yz, can’t imagine breaking something on a bike that has less than 10k models made😬
stop imagine and try it you will be surprised 😉 never had any issus to find pieces for mine. except my 2003 perimetrical braking systeme cause it was limited edition blackdream
witcher 13 nah I’ll stick to my yamis and my kawi
If the TM came with a 92 tooth rear sprocket, MXA would say they put a 93 on and it made it so much better . Is that written in your contract somewhere? Every bike MXA tested since 1979 somehow needed one tooth bigger on the rear sprocket
I bet it does feel like a factory 125, except for Grant Langstons, he liked his power band like a 250 2 stroke
seems like slower testers had some issues twice
No such thing as 'SSS' forks on a TM, that's just a marketing term used by Yamaha using the same basic forks. In reality they are all KYB 'AOS' forks.
Good video, it came together nicely. Good video, it came together nicely.
Great looking bike.
currently saving for this bike, the fact there hand made and not mass made by machines interests me, i wish they had a max yearly output but not sure there giving one lol
I would not recommend buying these bikes there go cart motors😂😘
@@gavinwilliamswilliams4386 The GoKart TM motors and MX motors are completely different and share 0 parts.
@@gavinwilliamswilliams4386 from wat i heard there great bikes
He didn’t even mention yellow.😭 2:00
💔💔💔
Yellow seems to be content with becoming nonexistent.
am i the only 1 who heard him stumble like 7 words of the script
Funny story when you called TM a Ducati of motocross because now ducati have a motocross bike too
Nice bike, nice test, nice 125 Pro. I miss those daze, bring them back. 4T are no longer overweight POS, let's race engine size regardless of strokes. 250cc vs 250cc. Bring back the 125 class for new pros, and NO FACTORY BIKES or riders. Allow 360-400cc 2T to race against the 450F.
News Flash.
A 450 IS AN OPEN CLASS BIKE... DUHHH
some when are 250cc bikes supposed to race against THAT? Pure foolishness is what that is.
KTM WE LOVE YOU for not giving up on the team two stroke, braaaap.
They already have a lot that punches a 250 just to 300, and I'm sure with 1 dinner if yesterday could have a 400cc just in place. The chassis of all modern bikes are exceptional and minor changes to Staunton l suspension would make that work. Braaaap on to TM, KTM, Husqvarna, and Yamaha for not letting the premix crowd die a graceless death.
I'll take the Bubba Stewart 05 Kawi 125 with a Lectron Carb.
Now we need reviews of the new Maico 440, 500, 620 and 700 2-strokes.
Shhhh. The press have been strategically ignoring Maico since 1973. They're not fashionable.
Awesome
post the 250 video asap
The person who disliked the video was a Gas Gas rider
😂
$1200 more than a KTM 150 and dealers are few and far between. Hard to open your wallet on that basis alone.
The suspension is worth it alone over the ktm garbage
Hardly are they? Used ones are way cheaper there is two in my area one 2016 for 3800 and a 2020 for 4500 when a ktm would be way more
I love motocross.... I need help my dream come true.. Thank you
"...because we are Americans...." 🤔 , ummmm ok, I'm not going to get into the genetics of Northern Europeans vs. Southern Europeans , but I get your point. Hey, Italians have their quirks, and those bikes used to be weirdly set-up. Still WFO powerbands at TM, but what the heck - it's an exotic!
BTW - that FXR color combo and SIDI boots really rocks! Nice!
Thanks for the test, really enjoyed it.
I want one.
TM's have had an electronic powervalve for a decade, wtf are you saying ECU had to get smarter cause now the PV is electronic
What is inside the forks? Air or oil?
you know forks without oil?
Spring forks! Not air👍🏼
These things are nice only if they’re tuned right if not they big like crazy and not even someone who knows two strokes ride these if not
DO THE 250.
Can we test somewhere other then glen helen it’s rubbish
Glen Helen isn't rubbish. It's a great track!
@@Getman43 Love Glen Helen great track to race on.
sick
Bought a ten ten 140 r ten times cheaper and all the torque ...but shocks are no good other than that quick start loads of power ...ten ten all the way
Loads off power think a 140 makes like 16hp these 144 will make 40 ish totally different game jump youre pit bike like these ride that thing it will snap in half
Brapa harganya?
👍
What is made tm 144
Never heard of TM
its rare brand
3:06
did you ever make a mistake before its not cool too make fun of people
How was I making fun of him I was just mentioning it
Marek#15 he isn't making fun of him. He was just saying "hey look at this he said the same thing twice." no need to male a big deal!
Surprised they still even make bikes..they made some average bikes 10 yrs ago..
Beauti
like'two stroke'
"small" Italian company???
1500 bikes every years
why is this guy sweet talking this bike
why would Tm be dumb and ktm smart ?? ktm make just a big 125 and you call it smart ? i call it lazy and disrespectfull to customers. Tm make a good job to match everything on the bike. its the same for every other CC they build a new engine
Everyone except MXA literally says KTM's issue with the 150 is that it's just a big bore. MXA says it's smart. But there own magazine test says it isn't lol
Looks the bollocks
I'm a subscriber
Nice bike but way out of price range! We don’t seem many of these at the track just for that reason, it’s a rich mans bike
Nah, not necessarily. I'm disabled and own a new TM EN300...I got it for a STEAL man, and am so happy I pulled the trigger. Turned down the new Husqvarna TX300i for this and I'm not dissapointed - especially since I am already used to KYBs from my yamaha's beforehand. Just need to find a dealership and get leftovers, and SAVE for something you love.
You don't see them so much simply because they don't make many of them. More than half the bikes they build are the street legal 125 supermotos that sell very well here in Italy and the 450 supermoto for the track. It's kinda rare to see a Tm Mx on the track even here in italy
@@jonathondavis170 Having previously owned a Yamaha that doesn't make you Disabled just stupid.
We got a full tm dealer a hour north of us he been in business for a long time an we have lots of local tracks close to him an everyone here says they r way over priced even left overs
I dont know how it is in Amerika but in europe the KTM and Huskis are brutaly expensive... u save up to 1000€ when u buy a tm
There's no such thing as American handling its called Japanese handling
Ducati of mx bikes ..lol say no more..
It looks terrible
Ya, I almost made the mistake of buying one back in early 90's. It's just too " EXOTIC " now as it was then. Save your money. After owning it the charm wears off.
Well I have three..........
I get parts for my TM shipped from CA to NY within 3 to 5 days typically...they are far easier to score than backordered parts for my KTMs and there are a few dealerships within a couple hours drive of most spots. These bikes are beyond legit and the charm of having the closest thing to a factory 2-stroke bike never wears off.
@@oldasdirtracingproductions5983 thanks for the info. A friend of mine bought a TM 144MX 2021 in NY, and the dealership there will change fork and shock springs, gearing and other parts for him. The suspension was on the stiff side so a friend revalved both ends and we will test it this weekend. I guess there is a more support for TM in the US nowadays. If I like it, I'll trade my KTM 150 for one.
Can you guys please get me a yz125
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