Dwarven Strongholds of the Elder Days (Years of the Trees & First Age)
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2021
- The Dwarves of the Elder Days of Tolkien’s Middle-earth had different strongholds than those we see in later ages, as they themselves were from different Dwarven clans in the Silmarillion. Today, we look at those different strongholds, their settlers and their histories, as well as what became of them. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts on these different Dwarven strongholds in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Thanks to The Dispenzas for catching a mistake! I meant to say, "Far off to the west" at 3:19! Please let me know if there are any other mistakes, as always, I will attempt to correct them here in the comments!
Beleriad Far of to the east. LMAO at this point Arda was a flat world, made circular later. When the immortal realms were removed from mortal sight, IE the present world...
In the Now the site of Beleriad could approached from the far East.
Hey men of the west, I wonder did the dwarf take back khazad dum again in fourth age?
@@verel8531 indeed, my friend! Durin VII reclaimed it with his folk!
thank you
I have a quick question; in your history of middle earth video and the timeline of arda video; where did you get your information. Is it the silmarillion and the complete history of middle earth; or do you use the one wiki to rule them all for more I formation?
There is one dwarf yet in Moria who still draws breath.
The Dwarves were created to endure hardship and deprivation. I don't mean to be cynical, but perhaps if Melkor would have marred some of them instead of Elves into his servants, he may have created more dangerous creatures than orcs 🤫
That's a damn good idea! I think the fact that they were not Immortal or magical plus they were adopted somto speak is why I would say he did not do as you mentioned! But as you said I think it was his mistake! I wonder why the orks lost there immortality because they were made from elves!
@@BJETNT I feel flattered, thank you
@@BJETNT I like to think they lost there immortality because their souls got corrupted and as such lost their grace. Melkor is a corruptor and he taints more than he creates. Melkor did make immortal beings in the balrogs but they were spirits that turned to my knowledge.
@Hlord1109 Good argument. However, it seems they can be misled/persuaded to do evil.
And now it seems strange that Elves and Men were not blessed with the same gift. Perhaps it is a trade-off, e.g. the Dwarven resistance comes at the price of lessened control over magic?
You'd think Sauron would've tried too, since he was a Maiar of Aule.
One of the most emotionally resonant moments for me in the film trilogy is when the fellowship enters the Halls of Durin in the Dwarrowdelf and Howard Shore's score swells as the camera pans out. The only time I think in the series where the majesty of the dwarves is fully on display. I can feel it in my gut every time. Loved this episode and your channel, best thing to fall asleep to ❤
For me, it was Erebor. With Khazad-dum I had a vague idea, but Erebor really shows the kind of majesty the Dwarves could build
In most games and such, the dwarves are always portrayed as in the twilight of their age, with many of their greatest halls and delvings in ruin. I love exploring the ruins of dwarven kingdoms in video games (like LOTRO), but I would love to play a game that let you see a dwarven delving at its height, and then explore it again hundreds of years later when it has fallen to ruin
Nobody knows how to make a proper dwarven dwelling at the height of its glory. If some does figure it out it'll take 100s of dwarves 100s of years to create the game. We just don't have the resources!!
alejeron, the game you're asking for is Dwarf Fortress, it is a hard game to learn, but once you do it can give you those majestic Dwarven halls many stories high carved into the side of a natural cavern that is teaming with it's own micro ecology, in your imagination at least.
They're putting an updated version on Steam sometime in the near future that'll hopefully have a better UI so more people can enjoy the game.
Biggest tease of this for me is the dragon age series
Erebor did look pretty beautiful in the Hobbit, at the start. But, very much agreed.
In Lotro the dwarven places are always my favorites.Moria,Grey mountains,ered luin,Erebor.and Gundabad
I’m really fascinated by the dwarven masks. How terrifying is it to look upon those masks? I wish I had one
In the fan art it looks like they resemble the Sutton Hoo Helmet, but in my mind I see the stylized and fictionalized helmets of samurai.
The Tolkien Bestiary has a few nice pics of dwarven masks
Yeah they had to be pretty tough too to handle that dragon's fire that could melt rings. I want to know how Morgoth made the dragons
Great note adding that Nogrod and Belegost did in some form survive into the third age if only mostly in ruins, as Tolkien does indeed indicate this in the UT and it is often overlooked or not known by the majority of readers. 🙂
So much about the Dwarves are unknown. I wonder why the 4 other clans of the Dwarves are all to the East, and none in the South? Also, while the Elves are fading away at the end of the Third Age and early Fourth Age, I don't think the Dwarves are... I wonder how they did throughout the Fourth Age. Lastly, I wonder what physical or cultural characteristics might set the clans of Dwarves apart?
Many of the Eastern dwarves' refugees went to Khazad Dum during the destructions of the First Age and the final War Of Wrath destroyed whole areas where dwarves had lived. Many spread out in the Third Age after the awakening of Durin's Bane. Even in Moria the Clans would have kept together. Do not forget the War of the Dwarves and Orcs cost many dwarven lives as well. As one Clan Head said after the final battle that it was a war of vengeance, but if this is victory are hands are too small to hold it. It also wasn't just Durin's Folk who had holdings in the Blue Mountains. Tolkien didn't write about other clans other than Durin's Folk as much outside the First Age.
Then there is the dwarves that killed Fram leader of what would become the Rohirrim for insulting them after killing the dragon that had taken their treasure. He wouldn't give them a penny back and sent them dragon's teeth instead saying that they don't have gems that are harder to come by. The dwarves who did not attack him to get their treasure back did attack and kill him for insulting them. Only the dragon is named, Scatha the Worm, but the dwarves were not named. It definitely would have been a Northern Clan as the Horse Men lived at the Northern end of Wilderland between the Misty Mts. and Mirkwood.
@@MountainFisher The Eastern dwarfs they are talking about that went to Khazad-Dum are the dwarfs of the Blue mountain (Broadbeams and Firebeards), which would be the westernmost part of Middle Earth in the Second and Third Age. The Durin's folk, the Longbeards, didn't live in the Blue mountains, but rather in the Misty mountains. Not much is written about them in the First age. They were joined by the Broadbeams and Firebeards from the Blue mountains, the mountain range separating Beleriland from Eriador.
@@Paal2005 the long beards did live in the blue mountains for a time after erebor was occupied by smaug
"Soon master elf you will experience the fabled hospitality of the dwarves!"
Hobbits may know how to party
The elves know how to sing
And men know how to conquer
But man can dwarves build amazing things :)
Makes me wonder if they would have made machines before any other culture in middle earth
Lifelong dream is to see Kazad dum in its heyday
you are probably going to see it in the new LOTR amazon series.
@@possemis I hope we get to see Khazad-dum
@@possemis heres hoping 🤞🏻
I agree with your assessment and believe you are correct that the Dwarves would be the race that could mechanize beyond any other race’s capabilities.
But I also think Tolkien sees the industrial revolution as a mostly negative event, that lead to some of the “magic” leaving the real world and potentially his Middle Earth.
In the movie when Saruman says “ The old world will burn in the fires of industry. The forests will fall. A new order will rise. We will drive the machinery of war with the sword and the spear and the iron fist of the Orc”, he was speaking to industrialization in the real world. At least that’s how I’ve always looked at that.
@@jbjgibbons : In the real world, industrialisation began with the creation of war industries. The first items to be mass produced in factories were weapons. The first chemical to be created was gunpowder.
So in Middle Earth, the Orcs would take the first steps toward industrialisation in the effort to create more deadly weapons.
As a guy who loves architecture and engineering, this is MUCH better than the Ungoliant video. I can at least WATCH the thing!
Amen Emperor. Spiders suck
It's sad to think that because of Dragons, Orcs and Trolls the Dwarves are forever destined to lose the fruits of their labors.
It's an analogy, hard work is often inherited by degenerate parasites.
But wait, there’s more! Balrogs!
Gundabad, Grey Mountains, Erebor and Khazad-Dûm.
@@robinthehood9720 No, he didn't. He tried to, but only Eru can create life.
@@yashabreslove8276 Ik 1 year old comment but balrogs didn’t come after their loot. It’s just that the Moria fellas digged too deep and awakened it. Then went hog wild
I wonder if the Dwarves might have had some early strongholds on the outskirts of Mordor in the First Age, in the Mountains of Shadow? Before Sauron or Shelob came it would have been a grim land, but not evil per se, and potentially rich in minerals.
Watch the rings of power. Mordor was once green and fertile, a kingdom of middle men called the southlands. Sauron tricked/bought the southlanders, to their doom. Rings of power really fails the story but overall the events are given. Sauron uses magic to make mount doom go off and turns their entire country into Mordor.
There's so much richness in Tolkien's works. And so many unanswered questions. I'd love to know how these cultures differed.
A small mention might have been made of Thorin's short-lived "kingdom" in the Blue Mountains, between the destruction of Erebor and the events of "The Hobbit."
thank you for making all the videos. Last year I tried to read the ' Silmarillion' didn't get past Ainulindale. After watching all the history explained, I just finished the book. And what an epic tale.
Man dwarves are just the best and I've waited on this video for the longest time, thank youuuuuu so much you best.
It’s fun to hear about the red mountains especially now that they have some red mountain Dwarven units in Rise of Mordor
This appears to be the most interesting topic you have ever made for the early months of 2021 so far, Yoystan. Good job! 😊👍🏻❤
I had never stopped to ponder the fact that dwarves were awake and already building Khazad Dum in the years of the trees.
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Honestly, dwarves were my least favorite race in LOTR until I started watching videos like this. The lore behind them is pretty dope.
I do wish there was more info and maps on Arda during the Years of the Lamps, Years of the Trees and especially the far East and South, Apart from a small sketch by Tolkien of Arda I have in one of the History of Middle Earth books just after the Lamps were destroyed and that's just an oval with the ends pulled off for Aman and the Land of the Sun and the two circles for the inland Sea of Heclar and Ringil.
Grant yourself the Atlas of Middle-Earth, it's a piece of art 🥰
@@Crafty_Spirit I did see a copy once. I remember being a little disappointed. The best I have is some very simple maps by Tolkien. And I mean simple just an oval for the Years of the Lamps.
Me don't like dwarves me got hurt bad at the Battle of Helm's Deep I'll still on ladder dwarf hit me with battle axe
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Sometimes I think I am often like those elves, only realizing what else lay beyond my understanding because of you, my Youstan. You open my eyes, and show such a brilliant image in my mind. One of a brilliant face. The one on which your voice falls out
I wonder if dwarves had priests, because if they did I dont think I would ever hear a dwarf preach about gluttony.
Wonder if they had Aule as a god or only as their father?
@@aleksander8497 I think that durin the deathless was there father, whilst Aule is there god. Now here's a question for you, do you think dwarves make gold sacrifices to there god?
The dwarven Smith's were basically their priests, since Aule, the god of labour and hard work, also created the dwarves, and smithed many wonders including the mountains, it would make sense that the dwarven Smith's were the equivalent of priests as they followed Aule in creation and innovation
Lol wish I was a dwarf and I'm the one who forged the first steam engine sending us to a progressive industrial age lol
@@seagull1326 there's one thing about dwarves we definitely know is they know how to run a dam good economy lol
A well made chronicle of the great miners and craftsmen of the mountain halls. It seems that the importance and debt owed by Middle Earth to the children of Aulë is at times overlooked and as such their history forgotten. It's gratifying to see that wrong righted this day.
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From what I know, the halls of Thorin's Gate in the Blue Mountains is called Edennogrod, which basically means "New Nogrod", so ita possible that Thorin rebuilt Nogrod into the halls named after himself.
Thank you for always providing amazing, well-crafted content! It is easy to tell that work and time have been put into your videos, and it truly is heartening!
I've always thought at least one or two of those "eastern" clans may have lived in the Grey Mountains.
I'm pretty sure it was just the longbeards up there
Elves get all the glamor, but, for me, the Dwarves remain the most fascinating and compelling of races.
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I’m a wee bit late but this was a great video as always. The music is fantastic.
This is actually where my LOTR 5e campaign is going to take place! The ruins of Nogrod
Great video. Very interesting. Thank you.
Always so informative and entertaining.
I would love if you made a video about the settlements of elves in middle earth during the time of LOTR
Wonderful summary thank you!
8:03 😱 Thank you SO MUCH for this map with the superimposed positions of the First Age lands - now submerged in the ocean - and Middle Earth. I categorize myself as somewhere between a casual Tolkien fan and a hardcore fan but I have looked intently for this exact artifact several times in the past and never found it.
Finally here it is: ONE MAP TO RULE THEM ALL. 🗺 #hadto #sorrynotsorry
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Always great to have more Dwarf lore. Amazing video!
4:55 that is some familiar folk in there XD
The lineage of Azaghal lives strong
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You forgot to mention that, before the Dwarves killed the king of Doriath, he insulted them and their entire race, to their faces.
Love your videos man.
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That was so funny to me I had to stop the video and make this comment!!!
Amazing video man, nice curious Lore wish we had more but still amazing effort congratz! So by the Third Age only one clan survived..
My favorites, the dwarves.
According to my kinship with elves (body type and general philosophical bent), I should love them the best. But it's the dwarves with whom I am most fascinated. Especially their strongholds. I think of their strongholds and I get goosebumps. The only other structures that have me reacting in this way are old (1920s and 30s) movie theatres. (Yeah, I just had a thrill-shudder.)
Love your videos!
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Loved the artwork in this video.
I did not realize the Dwarves existed during the Year of the Trees.
Actually, I knew they were created before the Elves, but I thought they slept until the 1st Age and after Men!
I am currently rereading the Silmarillion and there it's said that they awoke the same time (or even moment) as the Elves
@@Crafty_Spirit they may have awoke at similar times but the dwarves existed before they were just kept asleep by eru beneath the earth until the elves awoke as he wanted the elves to be the first to awake so they pre date the elves but they werent actively alive as they had yet to awaken
@@jimmyjoyce3554 True, and I already know that 😏 Also worth noting that the design, the idea for Elves and Men and likely also their spirits however predate the design of Dwarves.
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Great video!
I know info on the topic is sparse, but I'd like to see a video on the far east. Those factions have always been my favorite. I wish we had more resources on the region.
You know you hear about the Fathers of the Dwarves, but never a thing about the Mothers of the Dwarves.
In all of Tolkien's Legendarium only Dis, sister of Thorin Oakenshield and mother of Fili and Kili is the only named dwarf female.
I actully want to see how they are these female dwarves
@@haraldalmas9144 in the flashback of the Hobbit to when smaug takes the mountain. You can see them fleeing
@@ruairiodonohoe2533 yes but thats about all we see. I guess it does not matter so much
From what i recall is that there are far fewer female dwarfs than males, maybe 1/3 of the population and they look similair to males (beards aswell) so i would be very hard to distingush them from each other.
But there is a shortage of female characters in lord of the rings to begin with, for every race. The movie had Arwen doing some stuff but even that wasnt in the books.
Amazing Architecture of the dwarves.... Loved it.
Who else’s finds it amazing how deep and detailed that Tolkien’s work is that you can make loads of amazing content. Just like how just listening to your videos creates an image of how epic a battle would be let you picture the highest snowy mountain or be a sprawling forest.
Another great video
I'm running an all dwarves RPG, this is a great resource.
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I just have one question concerning Tolkien's lore. I know the Silmarillion is the main source of information for almost anything concerning the First Age, but in your videos you often cover topics or mention things that aren't included in the Silmarillion. I suppose you find that lore in the History of Middle-earth books, primarily the Books of Lost Tales, Morgoth's Ring and the War of the Jewels, I presume. Can you please tell me how much more info on Tolkien's world do these four books really contain that isn't already mentioned in the Silmarillion? I know the point of the books is to give the reader an impression of how the story evolved over time, but I'm also really interested in getting some more lore about the First Age, since it is definitely my favorite period of Middle-earth's history. And if you want to recommend some other volumes from the History of Middle-earth series, I would only be that more happy!
Am loving the inclusion of the other Dwarven Halls in the newer areas of LOTRo - fascinating
Great video.
Well, it is certainly interesting, what happens to the places in Arda, before we get the 3rd and 4th Ages...
It's almost if the world became round and broke apart... *and that did happen*
Thanks Mellon, telling is the history of the dwarves Homes...Until whatever wins this Poll, Marion Baggins Out Voting!!!
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I was so ready for Yoystan to just say "According to Middle-Earth statistics-" and I don't understand why I have been made so sad by his lack of doing so. I love the video and I love the dwarves. Peace!
i'd like to see the lore of the bowmaster of helm's deep
6:52 I think, if the Dwarves of Belegost were given the task of joining the Silmaril and the Nauglamir, the same thing would have happened, since there is a greater Doom at work.
Great video👍
I wouldn't want to crap on the grandeur that was Khazad-dum, for I feel it was one of the most impressive creations of Tolkien's verse, but with the Dwarves having such a smaller role in the overall presentation of Middle Earth, compared to Men and Elves (opinion), getting to know more about who they were, and what they had, outside of the Hobbit glimpse, is always fun, and since Moria is often seen as their greatest focus, seeing stuff about other Dwarven strongholds is fun. It's a shame they are so diminished by the end of the Third Age, and none of their greatest holdings were still in their possession, save kind of Erebor, but getting to see what they were capable of, and how high they climbed, was great. It does still lead me back to other questions; where were the other Dwarven strongholds based around their Rings of Power? What dragons looted several of these, and what eventually became of them? Could one Balrog really rout the entire population of Khazad-dum, when Gandalf alone killed it, and others were felled in battle, in ancient days, by equally "mortal" beings? Did the Dwarves lack any Heroes of their own, at that time? Still, these two other great Dwarven citadels; created by Dwarves other than Durin's line, at least in part, always intrigue me.
superb vid
Waw! I didn't know that Moria already existed during the time of the two trees and the reforming of the world. Awesome!
neat, can you make a video about the elven cities from the first age?
I don't know from where you are getting this pictures but the videos are pretty awesome
Love that outro music
Good vid.
Ur amazing and so is that voice!!!
So it all makes sense now the Battle of caves and battle of sarn athrad started the war between dwarves and elves thank you I've always wonder what started it😊💥😱😪
Very interesting and rare lore
Nothing stands taller than the might of the dwarves
Splendid.. that's all I can say :)
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Can you make a video about what were the dwarves doing during the last alliance please!!!! I'm a huge Dwarf fan and want too know more.
You gotta love dwarf, with that heavy and strong armory, huge stronghold, and with their gold even thought they are sometimes stingy.
They're the one whole will be living in the progressive industrial age will everyone else is living less lol
Dwarves are so badass
0:10 Reminds me of Ironforge a lot!
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I love this video thanks, did any of the dwarves see the light of the two trees????