Phoenix and Seventh Heaven both sounded great, as well as Pro-R. Very natural, all three. Cinematic Rooms sounded the most three-dimensional, it had a little something the others lacked as far as depth but I’m not sure what is going on there. Valhalla sounded more like something you’d reach for to add color than to sound like a room.
I appreciate the time you put into this video. It really allows the viewer to make their own choice into what they prefer. I like seventh heaven, but was surprised in it’s cpu usage. Great cpu chart. Thank you.
I’ve always loved the Phoenix. I recently picked up the cinematic rooms and am liking that. I use the Valhalla vintage mostly for lush effects, washing out guitar and piano etc. but right now on my orchestral sections it’s between the Phoenix, cinematic rooms and the Lexicon. Thanks for your video, the CPU metering was enlightening. Cheers!
Interesting. I suffer GAS during Black Friday, but your video helped me decide from buying another reverb at least! I already have Valhalla Vintage, and more importantly R4 which should compare favorably to Phoenix, so hard to justify buying Seventh Heaven or Cinematic Rooms.. Thanks!
Thank you for the great feedback. Glad that I could help you. Vintage Verb and R4 are a great combination. I guess Phoenix additional is not necessary.
Cinematic Rooms seems to have more weight and depth than the others, I own Cinematic Rooms, 7th Heaven and Fab Filter Pro R. Cinematic Rooms is by far the best.
Great sale on today. For orchestral music perhaps 7H is richer but I feel there's a move towards clarity in mixes even in orchestral ones so I went with CRP. (rest don't compare sorry even though I use FabFilter other products)
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes. So worth the money. 7th heaven is rich but I can't help feeling the tails on CRP is cleaner. Thank you for your great work.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes professional, and if you are a teacher you can stack the two discounts for perhaps the greatest reverb value available atm.
I honestly like Seventh Heaven the most. I find it to be the most warm and realistic sounding. Even better than Cinematic Rooms according to me. But Cinematic Rooms is a little brighter. But I find that a bit negative, makes my ears a bit fatigue quickly. I rather just put some Slate Digital Fresh Air on Seventh Heaven if I want it to sound brighter.
Yes, I love the Seventh Heaven, too. At Black Friday I will update to the pro version, including surround and atmos. For me the difference is not very big. Great idea with Fresh Air.
Just run some tests, myself, and what is interesting. If you’re playing audio while testing, the CPU load is how hard ASIO on certain reverbs. Symphony is really high.
I recommend getting a strings or any instrument VST that has reverb included in it because instruments with their own reverb, decay, compression, etc, have a better prepared algorithm for each particular instrument that are better calibrated manually. Cinematic Rooms is the best of these because they have more features and real good surround sound 5.1, 7.1 and more. The best reverb VST to me is called Altiverb. But, it is very expensive. I actually acheive a decent sound on my piano songs using a reverb called Endless Smile (that only has one knob and cost about 40 dollars) together with another reverb on the same track which is free called Oril River Reverb (that has a lot of great calibration knobs to really fine tune the reverb).
@@andrewqualls For rooms I love altiverb (convolution reverb). For reverbs I love algortihmic reverbs, because they are much diversified, you can change a lot of parameters... But there are a lot of great impulse responses of Bricasti M7 or Lexicon 480 and they sound all good, too. Your mix will not sound bad with convolution. Just my taste :-)
Good comparison, to my ear Cinematic Rooms was the best because it didn't change the character of sound so much as compared to Phoenix which I thought was a little boomy , oh well this was not about quality anyway .
"Don't like the end of VVV"... well, VVV can make many different reverb tail types based on the mode and colors settings that using just one setting barely represents the nature of the reverb. Anyway, thank you for the video.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Oh, you tried to match it. Ok. I think Chamber, Room and Smooth Room on NOW can give quite non-modulated tails. But in the end, it's "Vintage" verb, so maybe even the cleanest modes won't be as clean as other reverbs. Thank you for the reply, cheers!
Why do you prefer many instances of reverb over having just a couple reverbs and using sends? If you want to save CPU, and you want the instruments to gel as if they are in the same room, I’d think you want less reverbs running and to send tracks to them. You could still set up a short and a long, just on an effects channel.
What plugin did you use for those ostinato / spicatto strings at 5:25? Sounds awesome. I've been looking forever but the ones I find is always way to soft. Thanks!
@@timheinrichenglish8782 That's nice to hear. And besides, I do use even Spaces II and for the first time even Cinematic Rooms Professional to even trying out about a mashup of Reverb. I do imagine about Newman Scoring Stage Hall Reverb when I use sometimes just 3 Reverb VST for test.
It would be a bit more fair to a) compare the reverbs with exact the same audio material (e.g. a rendered audio or at least the exact same MIDI notes) and b) instead of Valhalla VintageVerb you should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead, since this would go along better with the other verbs, I guess. Like it is in the video now it just seems like the VIntageVerb is a "bad" verb somehow, but in the end it's just supposed to work in other situations, I guess.
Well, I play the same 3 instruments and nearly the same melodies. The result should not be much different. So you can compare it. Sometimes I the VintageVerb sounds more natural to me than the Valhalla Room. Check the tail. So I had to choose of them because the video should not 1 hour long. But both are great. The VintageVerb seems to need less CPU power.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Maybe it might be nitpicky, for surem, but from time to time I am doing detailled reverb tests and to me it always is important to use the exact same audio input in such situations, since slight differences might trick the ears. Regarding VintageVerb vs. Room: interesting. I feel the exact opposite. To me VintageVerb sounds more resonating and sometimes fluttering in the tail. Room just sounds way more like a room to me ... well, hence the name, I guess. While it is true that VintageVerb seems even more CPU friendly, hehe. And I understand that you had to chose one ... that's why I was writing that ValhallaRoom would have been more fitting to next to the other verbs than VintageVerb; at least in my opinion ("should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead"). Nevertheless: thanks for testing, of course! (=
Phoenix and Seventh Heaven both sounded great, as well as Pro-R. Very natural, all three. Cinematic Rooms sounded the most three-dimensional, it had a little something the others lacked as far as depth but I’m not sure what is going on there. Valhalla sounded more like something you’d reach for to add color than to sound like a room.
Thanks for your time. Great conclusion.
I appreciate the time you put into this video. It really allows the viewer to make their own choice into what they prefer. I like seventh heaven, but was surprised in it’s cpu usage. Great cpu chart. Thank you.
Hi Michael, thank you for the nice feedback. I like the seventh heaven, too. Great, that you like the CPU chart.
Phoenix was my favorite, then Seventh Heaven, followed by Pro-R. I was surprised Phoenix sounded this good! Good comparison, thanks!
Thanks, yes I love Phoenix, too. Are there other topics you are interested in?
@@timheinrichenglish8782 maybe compare compressors next time
I’ve always loved the Phoenix. I recently picked up the cinematic rooms and am liking that. I use the Valhalla vintage mostly for lush effects, washing out guitar and piano etc. but right now on my orchestral sections it’s between the Phoenix, cinematic rooms and the Lexicon. Thanks for your video, the CPU metering was enlightening. Cheers!
Thank you for the nice detailed feedback. So we use and love the same Plugins (still have not owned Cinematic Rooms yet).
thanks for the short examples, really easier to hear the difference that way
You are welcome. Thanks for the feedback. Are you interested in other topics?
@@timheinrichenglish8782 I sometimes watch plugins reviews and comparisons, but It seems that you already do that!
@@artemi-music That is a great confirmation. Thanks!
Interesting. I suffer GAS during Black Friday, but your video helped me decide from buying another reverb at least! I already have Valhalla Vintage, and more importantly R4 which should compare favorably to Phoenix, so hard to justify buying Seventh Heaven or Cinematic Rooms.. Thanks!
Thank you for the great feedback. Glad that I could help you. Vintage Verb and R4 are a great combination. I guess Phoenix additional is not necessary.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Wait, so which one is Exponential Audio's best reverb , R4 or Phoenix?
@@SI-mf4jj R4
Revelation is surprisingly good. Phoenix is my favourite too.
Yes, I was surprised, too.
Cinematic Rooms seems to have more weight and depth than the others, I own Cinematic Rooms, 7th Heaven and Fab Filter Pro R. Cinematic Rooms is by far the best.
From the sound I like it very much.
Great sale on today. For orchestral music perhaps 7H is richer but I feel there's a move towards clarity in mixes even in orchestral ones so I went with CRP. (rest don't compare sorry even though I use FabFilter other products)
Thank you. CRP = Cinematic Rooms Professional?
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes. So worth the money. 7th heaven is rich but I can't help feeling the tails on CRP is cleaner. Thank you for your great work.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Yes professional, and if you are a teacher you can stack the two discounts for perhaps the greatest reverb value available atm.
I honestly like Seventh Heaven the most. I find it to be the most warm and realistic sounding. Even better than Cinematic Rooms according to me. But Cinematic Rooms is a little brighter. But I find that a bit negative, makes my ears a bit fatigue quickly. I rather just put some Slate Digital Fresh Air on Seventh Heaven if I want it to sound brighter.
Yes, I love the Seventh Heaven, too. At Black Friday I will update to the pro version, including surround and atmos. For me the difference is not very big. Great idea with Fresh Air.
Just run some tests, myself, and what is interesting. If you’re playing audio while testing, the CPU load is how hard ASIO on certain reverbs. Symphony is really high.
I recommend getting a strings or any instrument VST that has reverb included in it because instruments with their own reverb, decay, compression, etc, have a better prepared algorithm for each particular instrument that are better calibrated manually. Cinematic Rooms is the best of these because they have more features and real good surround sound 5.1, 7.1 and more. The best reverb VST to me is called Altiverb. But, it is very expensive. I actually acheive a decent sound on my piano songs using a reverb called Endless Smile (that only has one knob and cost about 40 dollars) together with another reverb on the same track which is free called Oril River Reverb (that has a lot of great calibration knobs to really fine tune the reverb).
Altiverb is great, btu sometimes I prefer algorithmic reverb instead of convolution reverb.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Why do you prefer Algorithmic reverb than convolution?
@@andrewqualls For rooms I love altiverb (convolution reverb). For reverbs I love algortihmic reverbs, because they are much diversified, you can change a lot of parameters... But there are a lot of great impulse responses of Bricasti M7 or Lexicon 480 and they sound all good, too.
Your mix will not sound bad with convolution. Just my taste :-)
@@timheinrichenglish8782 So you mean that for any other type of reverbs (Plates, Halls, etc.) you like algorithmic?
@@andrewqualls For hall yes. Plates are sometimes good as convolution, sometimes good as algorithmic.
Good comparison, to my ear Cinematic Rooms was the best because it didn't change the character of sound so much as compared to Phoenix which I thought was a little boomy , oh well this was not about quality anyway .
I totally agree. Was about sound AND CPU power.
great video! thank you for detailed review!!
Thank you. What are other topics you like?
Awesome video! Thank you!
Thank you.
Valhalla Vintage Verb was my least favorite. The rest were hard to pick.
Totally hard to decide.
VVV depends entirely on the mode and year. You had it on Random Space. For the piano you should of tried Dirty Hall or Dirty Plate mode in 80s.
@@Byronic19134 Thanks I will do this.
Everyone is good in their own way! 👍
Of course.
"Don't like the end of VVV"... well, VVV can make many different reverb tail types based on the mode and colors settings that using just one setting barely represents the nature of the reverb. Anyway, thank you for the video.
Thank you. You are totally right. I tried to match all reverbs.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Oh, you tried to match it. Ok. I think Chamber, Room and Smooth Room on NOW can give quite non-modulated tails. But in the end, it's "Vintage" verb, so maybe even the cleanest modes won't be as clean as other reverbs. Thank you for the reply, cheers!
@@consonaadversapars You are welcome.
Why do you prefer many instances of reverb over having just a couple reverbs and using sends? If you want to save CPU, and you want the instruments to gel as if they are in the same room, I’d think you want less reverbs running and to send tracks to them. You could still set up a short and a long, just on an effects channel.
I use sends. This was just a performance check setup.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 thanks that makes sense! I wondered if there was a compelling reason I wasn’t aware of 🍻
What plugin did you use for those ostinato / spicatto strings at 5:25? Sounds awesome. I've been looking forever but the ones I find is always way to soft. Thanks!
Sorry, I do not really know. I guess Cinematic Studio Strings.
Sehr guter, interessanter Vergleich!
Danke, gibt es auch auf Deutsch ;-)
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Cool video. Subscribed!
Thank you.
Excellent comparison!
What software did you use to record your screen and sound output?
Thank you very much. There will come a video how I record and edit camera, sound, screen... I am on windows.
Valhalla consumes the less CPU but suffers from huge spikes. See about 9:55. Have you had the chance to compare to R4 and UVI SparkVerb?
No, never had R4 or SparkVerb,
i think cinematic rooms is the best one...at list at the moment...
It sounds great.
Hey great way to test verbs! Strange but to me Seventh heaven sounds 1db louder than Phoenix?
Is the strings CSS?
That is possible. I tried to balance as perfect as possible. Yes, Cinematic Studio Strings.
Nice one , how did the built in verb compare on CPU ? I know it’s three years later just interested
The built-in reverbs have the best latency.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 and best (lowest) CPU Load ? Thx
@@AndyGrayedout Yes
Revelation is algo - Reverence is the convo in Cubase but adds 23 latency in my template...
I think ValHalla VintageVerb could be impressive thing to use.
Yes, it is worth it.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 But somehow, ValHalla Rooms can be good too, just always manage to make sure CPU won't blow.
@@ABE2000 you are right. I use them, too.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 That's nice to hear.
And besides, I do use even Spaces II and for the first time even Cinematic Rooms Professional to even trying out about a mashup of Reverb.
I do imagine about Newman Scoring Stage Hall Reverb when I use sometimes just 3 Reverb VST for test.
Very useful video. 🙂
Thank you very much. What kind of topics are interesting for you?
@@timheinrichenglish8782 pretty much anything related to production music
@@FrancescoPirrone Thanks. There will come a lot making of / walk through videos.
It would be a bit more fair to a) compare the reverbs with exact the same audio material (e.g. a rendered audio or at least the exact same MIDI notes) and b) instead of Valhalla VintageVerb you should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead, since this would go along better with the other verbs, I guess. Like it is in the video now it just seems like the VIntageVerb is a "bad" verb somehow, but in the end it's just supposed to work in other situations, I guess.
Well, I play the same 3 instruments and nearly the same melodies. The result should not be much different. So you can compare it. Sometimes I the VintageVerb sounds more natural to me than the Valhalla Room. Check the tail. So I had to choose of them because the video should not 1 hour long. But both are great. The VintageVerb seems to need less CPU power.
@@timheinrichenglish8782 Maybe it might be nitpicky, for surem, but from time to time I am doing detailled reverb tests and to me it always is important to use the exact same audio input in such situations, since slight differences might trick the ears. Regarding VintageVerb vs. Room: interesting. I feel the exact opposite. To me VintageVerb sounds more resonating and sometimes fluttering in the tail. Room just sounds way more like a room to me ... well, hence the name, I guess. While it is true that VintageVerb seems even more CPU friendly, hehe. And I understand that you had to chose one ... that's why I was writing that ValhallaRoom would have been more fitting to next to the other verbs than VintageVerb; at least in my opinion ("should have chosen ValhallaRoom instead").
Nevertheless: thanks for testing, of course! (=
@@Tagirijus Thank you very much for your time. I will think about this the next time and it is always great to hear another opinion. :-)
Valhalla the worst for me..and best hard decide maybe pro r
The best is really hard to decide.