The Cut KOTOR Ending You've LIKELY Never Heard of
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
- In today's video, I talk about the third potential ending of Star Wars: Knights of The Old Republc that was cut from the game's final release back in 2003!
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You can save Bastilla not only as a lover but also as a friend. A freind/familly even it's "found Familly" saving you is part of starwars charm.
That end would be a good 1st step into KotoR 2 also... good deeds can have terrible repercurtion, bad even can in the long run have good consequences, even the most insignificant act can set great thing in motion.
For once, only FemRevan.
Well I think it should’ve been kept imo, K.O.T.O.R.2 could’ve still worked even if they have to delay the game (I don’t think they could’ve) so the player’s story could’ve comtinued, idk that’s my opinion.
It could NOT be available for a male Revan, and to be honest, this ending should not be in a KotOR II remake, if the team decides to follow up the remake of the first game. However, if it does end up in the KotOR remake, I would not mind it. I intend to play it when it comes out, hoping to have the same experience I did last last year and thirteen years before that, the last two times I played this game. Knights of the Old Republic is one of my favorite games of all time, and Revan is my favorite Star Wars character outside the movies and my second-favorite overall, eclipsed only by Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader.
I wish we would get SW Kotor 3.
You forgot one ending that’s still in the game. You have the light side ending, the dark side ending, and the secret ending wherein revan uses his mastery of the force to turn Malak into a Dancing twi’lek girl and proceeds to dance with her.
That's the true cannon ending
wtf?
dancedancemalak lets GO!
Brings to mind Jolee's words about love redeeming.
Indeed.
I believe the specific word was save rather than redeem.
Jolee is top 5 and no one can say otherwise
@@WeezerFan505 Jolee is the GOAT. The redemption arc and the aspect of hope is a big reason why kotor 1 will always be my fav!
4:03 I don't know, Bastila seems to be on board with the plan of killing her, given how she keeps chopping her own head off with her lightsaber.
Lmao
Characters are so careless with lightsabres. Lol
I've played a mod that restored this cut content. There's actually multiple choices here.
* One had Revan killing Carth.
* Revan orders Bastila to kill Carth.
* Bastila kills Carth when Revan hesitates.
* And the option you showed here.
Can you send me this mod, pls?
What’s the mod?
Mod it up
What's the name of the mod :D
That makes it awkward since Carth is an admiral in KOTOR 2.
Should've been kept in. Seeing as there is only ONE cannon ending and the others are legends, what does it matter if there is a jack knife ending like that? It's still an interesting ending that follows the "tell your own story" concept.
Agreed.
Technically it's all legends so none of it matters at this point. With that said there are the valid points that Carth appears in KOTOR 2 and the story for KOTOR 2 would exclude this ending alienating anyone wishing to continue with this ending. A better ending would have been saving Carth and escaping the Forge just in time for it to blow up as your flying away. Then in 2 the Carth clip can have more meaning as he is now trying to use the pc to find Revan.
@@joshuatayloe8616
Carth only appears in some endings of KotOR 2. A dark-side female Revan ending could simply have the alternate Republic admiral in place of Carth and mention the ending as "rumors of Revan's death" instead of the "disappeared from the galaxy" mentions in the game. Wouldn't actually change much of KotOR 2.
I would be so happy if the remake included this ending. As you said, it would bring something more to the player's and Carth's romance. I agree that his and Juhani's romance should be expanded. Bastila is such an integral part of the story even without romancing her but Carth stays in the sidelines even if you choose to romance him imo. And you hardly had a romance option for Juhani...... It would be super cool if the female Revan could have a proper ending with Juhani.
I have a feeling Juhani's will be expanded upon.
I don't think Juhani would fall in love with a male Revan though. Incompatible orientations and all that.
Still, they better restore the cut content involving her... we've come a long way since 2003.
@Taru L ugh an ending of *dying* with carth??I can barely stand him which is why in ME1 Ashley survives and Kaidan dies.
Killing her IS the proper ending. :)
I always thought brining back Carth for a bit in K2 really added to his romance with the player.
Super secret 4th ending - the HK-47 romance.
🤣
Super super secret ending - Zaalbar romance
All you have to do for that is make a kneeshot from 120m away, then he'll love you lol
This is why KOTOR is so SO good and lasts, Drew Kryp and his writing team spend so damn long writing every possible thing you’d reasonably consider and allows you to truly make the adventure your own. Great video as always, love the thumbnail.
Bruh. I didn't realize this was a Drew Karpyshyn story... that explains so much! He is the reason Mass Effect was pure gold. What an amazing writer!
Seeing how Raven was characterized in later instalments and lore it's kinda glaring that Kotor didn't have a neutral ending imo. I hope the remake adds more endings ranging from a pure light, several shades of light into neutral into dark and a pure dark ending.
Bioware's morality systems then were more blatant and extreme. Either glaringly (literally) good or overtly evil.
Revan was mischaracterised in later installments by ravenous cult followers. That you think the revanites had a better take on who Revan was than the Revan who was actually in the Kotor game, is rather silly. Not to mention all of SWTOR functions on a canonical light side male Revan who romanced Bastila, as is necessary for Satele to exist, and for Revan himself to show as a character
I mean, I kinda get your point...but what exactly would be a 'neutral' ending to this? Just...turn around and go home after the Lost Planet? You either STOP the baddies, making yourself a goodie....or you take over the baddies, making yourself the baddie. I fail to see the neutral option available honestly
@@moscanaveia I think he thinks about kotor II
@@gandhiusz233 Nah, in K2 you pick good or evil ending. Only in SWTOR do they theorize about grey revan
>have no time to get off the star forge
>ebon hawk is right behind them during the many minutes they spend talking
Since the pre-production for Kotor 2 started before the release of the first game, one can understand why this ending was cut. If Revan dies then a chunk of the sequel's lore gets derrailed almost completly, specially Canderous whos mission to restore the Mandalorians revolves around the events right after Kotor 1.
However if instead they left the ending in as a "make your own story" arc, that would annihilate completly everyone who choose it, and I'm damn sure those people would still to this day ask Obsidian for the lore implementation of such ending into Kotor 2.
That said... I do like that ending, specially it's relation to what Jolee told about love and it's missconceptions on the eyes of the Jedi Enclave, not to mention is a tragic finale, Carth's "everything will be over soon" as both await death at the top of the Rakata technological terror is a scene for the history books.
Also, development for Kotor 2 already started before the release of Kotor 1, so it can be that Obsidian asked Bioware to not kill off Revan.
The removal of this ending makes sense, though I agree that it is an interesting scene. Luckily, there are mods that allow to have it in the game.
Possibly.
That doesnt matter. Cus they self pick 1 ending that is canon.
@@Robin...222 It's not about what is canon. Although Revan didn't appear in Kotor 2, him being still alive was important for both the light side and dark side playthrough. Also, Obisidian wouldn't have had the time to make a third storyline in which Revan died.
@@starlighter930617 no it does matter, the republic and carth wouldnt existed in kotor 2 if revan chose the dark side
@@mr.fantastic6568 No, it doesn't matter. Kotor 2 literally gives you the option in the beginning to have the dark side ending have happened and has scenes change to reflect that choice since Carth being alive wasn't important to Kotor 2's story and the republic is fractured and on the brink either way. Revan being alive however was important for the story of Kotor 2.
Carth is the epitome of “its ok, i can fix you 🥺🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞”
I don't really see it as selfish love, I see it as love making Revan see her faults, and that power doesn't really matter if you don't have love.
I love KotOR for many things, and in them, for one especially, the consistency of the story. Your choices matters, your choices are shaping countries, planets, and even galaxy itself. In that aspect KotOR is almost one of a kind, and truly unique.
It'd be interesting to see how much of the cut content the remake will touch upon if at all. Maybe introduce more endings. More side quests are a safe bet. (Personally still hoping for a Kotor 2 remake after the kotor 1 remake). I am also interested in what some of the earlier story ideas of kotor 1 were, how some characters differed in their concept stage compared to the final product (HK originally being a mute assassin instead of the talaktive meatbag hating droid that we know and love).
We can dream for the KOTOR 2 remake uff
Recruit Juhani while she’s dark side instead of killing/redeeming her to the Jedi
I have no faith in a remake
@@inarithekitsune9988 you can do that???how ???
@@nicholasmorgan7609 my wish for a "remake" actually is hmmmmm give us everything we had and put back the droid factory and other cut stuff to make it an improvement over the first version.
The guy that made the philosophy of Kreia video made one on Jolee and the inability for Carth to save you is essential to make it work, so it's interesting to see that there was in fact an alternative ending for it.
It might actually be the video you mentioned about 6 mins in
He may indeed be the one!
I had to disengage from that guy’s channel as soon as I saw a video he made called “In Defense of Lolicon and Loli Art” 🤢 Papito Quinn’s Kreia’s Conundrums are superior to the person who made the philosophy of Kreia videos anyway.
Big up Papi Qinn.
@@Loganjlr Yeahh it was super weird seeing that on his channel when I went to check out other videos after only knowing of the Kreia video for a long time. There's a thread out there of him being shown as a creep so it's a shame that a video as in-depth such as that one has the voice of a weirdo, who, unlike what he tried to disprove in that crazy loli art video, has the potential to be a criminal irl
I think it would've been a cool idea to have kept it in. Imagine if they would've done what they did with the Witcher games and the sequel game can detect save data, and the choices you made in kotor 1 affects some story elements in kotor 2.
Also I like the mod with a Dark Side ending where you Force "persuade" Carth to join you after you've killed Malak.
Uff, that would've been great.
I played this on my first playthrough of Kotor1 with the restoration mod and it stuck with me until this day, what a wonderfully tragic and cathartic way to end the dark side path.
maybe a... carth-artic way to end it? 🤣
This ending could have been removed for KOTOR 2 story to make sense with this ending.
Kotor 2 story works with both dark and light side ending in kotor 1. But neutral option would be harder to adapt without Revan in story.
Also, personally i want a neutral ending with Revan surviving, (grey jedi ending).
Ex. Balancing both dark and light side of force, dark side enough to kill Malak, Light enough to destroy star forge.
Isn't that just... the light side ending?
No, you're wrong. Light side was conon for KOTOR 2
@@100StarWars Yes, but Light side ending spins the Jedi council's deception in positive way, which make the Kotor 2's council decision of banishing the exile more towards the light side. (Which actually is the cause put forth to push exile to dark side)
@@lomborg4876 Yes, Light side is cannon. This point was, if there was a neutral ending planned in Kotor 1.
There's no such thing as balancing light and dark. The Light Side is the Force. The Dark Side is an unnatural corruption of that. The Jedi Council are jerks and stubborn fools but that doesn't mean the Light Side is bad.
I like the ending where Carth just says fuck it and turn dark with Female Revan and Bastila, funny asf
I wouldn't complain lol
Didn't Darth Vader turn back to the light right at the end. I know it is a little different but that's what it reminded me of.
The best ending is where you turn Malak into a Twi’lek dancer.
true
I honestly hope in the remake they include new endings, maybe even one where Revan still loves Carth but knowing she can't have him maybe enslaves him or makes a clone that is made to love her, probably won't happen but would be cool.
first. i am stil wating for kotor 3 tho
Aren't we all :(
Me too I hope obsidian makes it one day though with SWTOR existing for a decade now I sadly doubt it
Totally knew about it and it was an early discovery by modders who put it back in the game. (All you need to do is remove one bugged line of code in a dialogue file) I will also say that Raphael Sbarge earned every cent of that paycheck because he sold the whole thing on just his voice acting. For a time, it was a favored AU scenario for fanfic/fanart on kotorfanmedia (seriously, if you want to know much of anything about kotor fanfic, I will totally infodump. I also know a bit about modding history)
I think I also recall David Gaider (Bioware writer and the guy who wrote the dialogue files for Carth and Bastila) saying it would have been his preferred ending, but that the lack of sequel potential was why it got vetoed. Gaider being one of the head writers on Dragon Age...well, this kind of ending totally fits with the Dragon Age "every option is a bad one" running theme. It certainly would be an *unusual* ending as far as Star Wars goes because it rejects the binary and it isn't the whole agape ideal, but also very fitting with Star Wars because Star Wars is all over how the small, personal dramas can have galaxy-spanning consequences.
Carth always bothered me when you do the dark side. Having sworn to defeat the Sith and save the Republic, he looks at Mission and the rest and says "see ya!" and runs off to never be seen again.
I love how they claim they don't have enough time to get away while I'm staring at the Ebon Hawk right behind them. 🙄
It would be cool to have a mass effect style of old republic game, where each decision we make impacts the story in some way. It would make it feel like our actions in the game had more consequences, particularly if we choose the dark side path.
I would change this ending a little, since the Eben Hawk is right there I would have had Carth convince Reven that the Path she is on will only lead to death, hers included, and that Bastila has to die. You kill her and jump on the Eben Hawk, and Carth makes a jump to somewhere they can hide from everyone, convincing you to abandon the force entirely so you can both live out our lives in peace together.
This would make it the true romance ending and tie into the fact you start KoToR II disconnected from the force, and keeps Carth alive.
Your player character in KOTOR 2 is not Revan, but yes, it doesn't make sense that you have to die in this third ending when the Ebon Hawk is RIGHT THERE.
I remember seeing this years ago and thinking oh yeah that's neat, hopefully the remake will include some more cut content like this!
I'm assuming it all has to do with battle meditation. Light or dark, Bastilla uses it to turn the tide. If you're dark side, then it was already to late for the republic to turn it around. She wasn't using it in that moment anyway so it affects nothing if she lives or dies.
Everyone: dies
Sith Empire: its free real estate
I've played so much of this game on the Xbox Original, I used to love this ending as one of my faves.
Sucks though I can never convince Carth to turn evil- at least none that I can remember.
This ending is very interesting and I would love to see it in the remake. Carth was always my favorite character and I would die with him.
Interesting. I had never heard of this ending. One issue might also be, the Ebon Hawk is parked behind them in that ending, and so would also be destroyed if it was there with them when the station was destroyed.
Correct it is because of the Ebon Hawk still on the station and that Carth was still alive if chose a Redemption ending and would again have to be re-edited.
I love it. I always hated what happened to Carth in the dark side ending, and I hope they reinstate it
Ooh, heard of this a long time back, but honestly interesting.
Yep, here's hoping it gets restored in the remake, regardless of whether or not it'll be in the game's story proper or bonus content. (Canon be damned, too! Multiverse Theory for life!)
Edit: How kind of the Republic to send a rescue force for Carth in this ending though.
Addendum: Really hate sequels that streamline their predecessors' branches, if not cut them outright (something the Baldur's Gate: Bhaalspawn Saga, the Witcher trilogy, and the Mass Effect trilogy succeed on via the old save bonus, and where the Fallout games, the Dishonored duology, the Fable games, and, in a lesser degree, the Hitman games fail on).
Yeah I’m really hoping they go all out on the remake storywise with what if scenarios to just let the player have fun.
They’ve already said it isn’t canon so there doesn’t need to be a set path the player must choose.
Personally the big change I’d make would be that the male player and female player are totally separate characters so that I get to feel like I’m actually the main heroine of the story for once, not Bastila. It’s why as a woman I didn’t enjoy this game nearly as much as the sequel, it was very clear to me that Revan was supposed to be a man and hardly any changes were made to accommodate that if the player wasn’t.
Unfortunately it looks like the new team has writers who will put their own beliefs ahead of telling a fun, satisfying story and actually making a good game but let’s see what happens.
Very thoughtful of them haha
I'll be honest. The fact there is a Canon ending pisses me off 15 years later. Revsn is male, female, good and bad
But jo he's a male baddy. F off
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Or rather, for 3 years, until Nihilis goes all Thanos mode on the Jedi.
I wish we got to see the Jedi purge during that time. Just having entire enclaves disappearing off the map, entire councils wiped out in hours, with no traces left behind except corpses drained if the force, and left as husks.
Thatd be awesome.
Honestly kotor1 is amazing. I especially loved the cutscenes where it breaks from the usual character animation. Why we didn't get that in kotor2 is beyond me but I wish we had it
Lack of time likely.
Rushed development. They ended even cutting things they already had because they could not mesh everything together.
KOTOR2 was set for "Winter 2004", and a lot of content got cut. A team of modders, over the course of a few years, pieced together a giant mod for TSL, that in their own words, 'to the best of (their) abilities...", implement the content as close as possible to what they believe was the developers' original vision for the game.
The TSL Restored Content Mod adds so much to the game.
where does the background img come from ?
I would love to see a redemption root for dark side players in the remake, even if they don't add back this cut ending. One thing I used to imagine back when I used to play the game way, way back in my childhood, was the possibility to turn Dark, and later redeem myself in an important moment due to companions persuading me to turn back to the light side. Maybe they can add slight ending tweaks or alternative endings (None cannon) into the mix for those who want to stay grey and add even more replayablity. I know Star Wars has always been primarily a binary Light vs Dark story, everything is almost Black and White as what is good and what is bad, but Kotor 2 is a good example of the grey side of things could work in Star Wars.
Don't know about anyone else, but having a grey root, and redemption root in the story sounds awesome to me.
I've always been upset with the two extremes of light and dark. I feel that what Jolee says is quite accurate but it also depends on the individual. I hate how the Jedi always say "balance" but still try to vanquish the dark. Isn't balance an equal amount of good and bad.
Jedi Academy touched on this with Kyle Katarn saying that powers are not good or bad, it's how you use them. Clearly I am not the only person who feels this way and so would love to have some more force neutral choices and consequences for Kotor and many more games.
It's because for Jedi, the light side is the "natural" side of life and the dark side is a kind of misrepresentation of the force.
Like you said the dark side isnt bad it actually had a different name by the je-di order till some decided to stray to close to the dark side and as for good and bad evil will one day be locked away for good
No, in Star Wars, balance is not an equal amount of good and bad. The Force is balance. It's nature. The dark side of the Force is unbalance. It's corruption.
Perhaps, but the "balance" is never explained very well in the movies. And I use those as they are the most accessible to people who don't play the games or read the books and comics. Thus it creates confusion that I thought was going to be explained with the training of Rey. Luke basically mentions that light is life and dark is death but that the death and decay feed new life. This was a better explanation of why balance between both light and dark should be achieved. If there was a misunderstanding with this then these last 3 movies would have been the perfect way to explain this to the audience at large. However, like with most films these days, they wasted the opportunity by simply going for big space and ground combat without the lore and understanding being achieved.
@@grabitt I'm not sure why you thought that anything helpful to Star Wars would be explained in the Sequels. At best they were going to go with something safe and stylish but lacking substance.
Instead we got... Subverted expectations.
I think I saw this from a video once. And another "neutral" ending but for the male Revan. Although I'm pretty sure that was completely mod created and the uploader was trying to make people believe it was real. Although It's kind of messed up that they don't even try to escape. I think Canderous survives on the beach, so I guess they're content with him going down too.
Yeah I know the mod you speak off.
I have a strange memory of getting this ending.
What a cool video thank you for it 😃
You're welcome!
How did you get the exact replica of Darth Revan's robes? When I get them they're missing the cape and mask and a couple other accessories.
nice video, thanks for the info
Glad you enjoyed it!
This kind of ending sounds a lot like the one in Rogue one where they had love but it didn’t save them from death in the end so I think in many ways this ending is totally Star Wars
Rogue One came after the Disney purchase. KOTOR came first, back in 2003. I'm sure the Legends lore has similar scenarios.
That particular ending, mentioned in this video, does do a good job of giving the player the consequences of their actions. If the player had chosen to abandon the dark side earlier on, then they would have survived. However, only at the very last, changing their nature, the player now has consequences for everything up to that point, which in this case mean death.
In that regard, it's totally KOTOR.
I remember seeing this ending on youtube at one point.
Yeah it's around! I linked one version in my description.
So they are in the hanger with the Ebon Hawk yet dont have time to board it and fly away?
What robes are those at 2:50, please?
Very well made points about that ending that made me think and put together why I've always been disappointed with the FemRevan ending. I am hoping that they expand on some of the character arcs and allow more growth of the KOTOR l story as, to be honest, it was a great story when it came out but could be just so much more now if they allowed the game to expand more on the character arcs. Even if it was just the character arcs.
It is also easily forgotten that the Jedi way is not by any means the only force light side based code, and is often stated repeatedly to be inherently flawed.
Love can be dark, and it can be good. Just as honor can be good and it can be dark. You can fight someone out of a desire to protect something you love and never tap into the dark side- unless you were fighting hatefully, channeling negative emotion through the force to destroy what is threatening what you love.
Honor, if your honor is based in a sense of morality and trying to do what's right for what's rights sake, it is hard to see it stumbling down the dark. But if your honor is based in pride, and ego, it's easy to see where anger, and frustration can bleed in.
Love is as you said a very grey emotion. It can inspire positive feelings, its just it's risk for the negative that Jedi avoid it. Overbearing attempts to self control instead of just having emotional restraint to begin with. Like bottling, instead of relieving pressure.
It's why it's no wonder when a Jedi falls, they fall hard.
Love the video. Where did you get the armor for Carth? the one with blue higlights?
Pretty sure it’s from the dlc/expansion station where you can get the super lightsaber crystals.
I've known about this ending for years. It's the only way I'll do a DS ending when playing as female. So thankful to JDNoa for the restoration mod.
I agree that this ending was likely cut because it nukes any DS female Revan for K2. However, I could see it as an unlockable ending in K1's remake/remaster.
Edit: I hadn't thought of the parallel of male PC redeeming Bastila through love and Carth redeeming female PC through love. Such a Star Wars thing.
lol, I remember back in my KoTOR modding days coming across the files for this ending and re-enabling it.
That dancing tweilek ending.
I think their is also a third ending. There is a neutral ending where you can save Malak’s life
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You'll love the rest of my channel if you give it a look then ;)
Not sure If it was a mod but I remember the option of having Carth and bastilla in the end stand with darth revan on the darkside ending.
This is a neat ending from a story POV, especially looking in as a member of the audience rather than the player, but I do wonder if it was taken out because Bioware didn't think people would actually choose it.
This is mostly applicable to first-time players, rather than repeat players, but if somebody goes through the puppy-kicking requirements to get to the Dark Side ending, I find it unlikely that most players would choose to go against all of that and snatch at some last minute redemption. Some certainly would, but I suspect they're in a pretty heavy minority. Of course, I imagine a lot more people would end up picking that ending in a subsequent playthrough, so if I'm right it means Bioware wasn't really thinking about repeat play, which would be a little short-sighted on their part. But I do wonder!
It's an interesting choice. However, this ending kind of take away from Revan character and the Malak denouncement. At this point Revan has recovers her memory, and if she pick the dark side, it would likely indicate that she is more the ruthlessly decisive general that would do anything to bring a quick end to war than the good nature recovering amnesiac. If she switch again here it would make her a bit wishy washy and at the same time it would also take away from the weight Malak final thoughts. Malak laments about how Revan is given a 2nd chance and he wasn't. I guess he should thank the Force he is dark side and could not become a force ghost like Obi wan, he would be pretty mad to learn Revan got a 3rd chance, maybe upset enough to see finally see the wisdom in Kreia's belief that the Force should be killed :D
BTW, I am not against adding the choice in the remake. There are ways to write it to avoid the above problem and it would provide a surprise for us who played the first game to death.
huh i actually remember this ending in my many play throughs as a teenager on the original xbox
I love the cut ending but I also understand why it was cut. Though it's not like character death has stopped bioware since (Morrigan, Leliana, Flemeth). They could've just said something stupid like, "Somehow Revan returned."
I'm not sure if this was just a mod, but I'm pretty sure that there was a fourth (similar to this) potential ending in which there was a proper neutral pathway. It could've involved the player and Bastila simply walking away from The Sith and The Republic once Malak had been dealt with. As I say, it may have been just a mod, but that would've been pretty cool, too, regardless if the player had romanced Bastila/ Carth or not (YES I DID WATCH THE VIDEO XD).
That was a mod to my knowledge.
Anyone playing KOTOR on a Macbook? I've been searching how adjust the resolution and haven't been able to find a solution that works. The MB Pro stretches the resolutions to fit the ratio so all the characters are short and fat. The only choices are 4:3 aspect ratio. ie 1024x768, 800x600 etc. There are a few work-arounds for KOTOR 2 but not KOTOR.
I once tried to do the light side story the fewest possible number of companions without falling to the dark side. Turns out, you can kind of be bad at your job. You can 1. kill Juhani, 2. leave Zaalbar on Kashyyk and just find the star map without running into his dad, 3. do the story on Tatooine without buying HK-47, and 4. Kill Bastilla before you fight Malak. Makes the light side's end cutscene a little different, because there's only like four companions with you. It's just you, Mission, Canderous, Jolee, and T3 lol. And Carth, forgot about him.
Kotor was the first game I was ever given as a gift. I have played it every which way you can. I never understood. I had just assumed the developers wanted you to kill Carth to cement you into "I am evil and must kill the man I love." Kind of how you can choose to kill Bastila for betraying you. Thank you for the answer to a question I didn't remember I had.
Good point with your argument about that particular endings and the fact that it should still be a part of the game. However I wanted to take it one step further.. been thinking for a long time they should do a complete reboot of both the first and second Kotor. And regardless of what gender character you choose beginning of the game; whether you choose male or female white or black or something in between there should be other options as well you should be able to choose different alien races as your primary player character it literally be able to choose any one of your crew members or companions regardless of their gender or species as the romantic interest. Like for example if you wanted to choose a female revan that's human have a romantic relationship with a twi'lek female. Or Johanni the Cathar female with the Russian accent.
Or a male-male, let's say you choose a Devaronian or a Zabrack or a Twi'lek or a Wookie for that matter. As your lead male character choose one is the male crew members or companions as a romantic partner. If we're going to be all inclusive then let's be all inclusive.
I think they limit the game a whole lot. Video game technology, for graphics and gameplay OS storylines have come a long way since the first Kotor was made. We live in a more progressive society than what we did then and the technology that we have is significantly more advanced than what we had then. They could reboot both the first and second games and make them so much better than the originals. Even adding additional abilities or dialogue options. And because it's based on a storyline iconic among Star wars fans and gamers alike like that would be very very popular in the company who makes it would make probably 4 or 5 times more than they did from the first two.
So from this perspective there's really not a good enough reason to NOT create the reboot of each one. WEIGHING THE PROS AND THE CONS. There's no adequate argument against rebooting both games.
Yeah we all know you're just trying to bang HK-47 but nice try man.
Jokes aside I agree.
Wasnt there a cut out ending where you redeem Malak and he jumps to hyperspace just before the Star Forge is destroyed?
Or was it a mod?
Wait, the third ending I found was one where I brought Malak back to the light side, is this a 4th ending? :O
You can still save Bastila if you don’t romance her but I guess it could be argued as platonic love.
You definitely can! What it does take, however, is a high Persuade and just the right dialogue options. Kinda like getting the best ending for the Sandral-Matale quest. However, I really think it's great playing it on my F!Revan because Star Wars is sadly lacking in good female-female interaction, much less friendships. Having this close, platonic bond between two women is something we definitely don't get much in Star Wars now, much less in 2003
I'm curious. What graphics mod(s) are you using?
This Neutral cut ending you are referring to is actually pretty parallel to Return of the Jedi. Anakin during all his training as a Jedi, was cited and feared for his attachment, which was said to be his biggest flaw, and the reason he turned to the dark side, but it was also his greatest strength in the end and his love for his son is what drove him to toss the emperor down the shaft of the Death Star. Also, many people misinterpret the title as the Jedi as an order or Luke being now a full fledged Jedi and returning to finish the fight. This is incorrect, it is actually a reference to Anakin/Vader returning to the light BECAUSE of his love for Luke. As the All-Father has said; "Star Wars is about one character and one character ONLY, Anakin Skywalker". I always wondered if Star Wars at some point would basically adopt "The Last Airbender" motif, and say that "the chosen one" will be reborn time and time again when the galaxy needs to be rebalanced. Making Revan and Anakin reiterations of the same spirit.
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If they added this subversive layer in a remake, they'd have to address other fortified ideas as well, to the point it would feel either kinda patch work-esque, or different. I guess it could work. 🤷
To me, K1 lacked some of the nuance of K2, but that's fine to me. Sometimes the archetypal story is good as a foundation to build more complex sequals on top. 👍
I'm trying to remember why K1 worked. That game had one major subversive plot point that blew my socks off. I still remember that experience, I was with my bestfriend. Our jaws fell to the floor. I think it worked because I never anticipated it. I bet that was what Return of the Jedi felt like when it aired on cinema.
I'm not sure about it either way, but thank you for bringing it to light. :)
Oh jeez, for a second I thought you were gonna talk about Twi'lek Malak.
It might have been the time in history that this game was released combined with the age that I was at the time, but I truly do believe that no game will ever feel like this game ever again.
I thought this was going to be about the dancing ending. Pretty interesting
Looks like they had plenty of time to run to the ebon hawk if they hadn't stuck around to talk and Carth prepped the ship while Bastilla was being put down.
Maybe happened, or something: “LFL to Rogue One: We need to recut the film for the KotoR cut ending, as it most reflects the core thematic messaging central to Star Wars.”
I would of loved if this ending was in the game. Fingers crossed it's in the remake.
As someone who loves KOTOR dearly, I don’t think there is much of a point in this ending. Not only it’s strange because you go through the whole thing of being dark side and end it by getting ourselves killed over “love”.
No. If this kind of scene were to be included, it should be BEFORE the events at the Star Forge. This scene should happen when you first encounter Carth and the gang at the unknown planet when you turn to the dark side. THEN, you get THIS where Carth BEGS you to “please, don’t do this. I love you!” Yada yada. And THEN you can even be presented with a choice to either turn your back on Bastila, pull a Kylo Ren as you get close to Carth and stab him with your lightsaber, or just let him run.
That’s what I think. Otherwise this ending would be strange for the reason I mentioned, along with how it wouldn’t make sense for the story in KOTOR 2 to follow up on.
They should have corrected this ending in a way that they both do not die but they take the Ebon Hawk and travel to the Unknown Regions.
Love over power doesn’t go against the light side, the only love the Jedi limit is romantic, but dying for friends and comrades are as much expressions of love. Although I do think star wars (before Disney ruined it) was always about how both sides were wrong and that the real truth was between them both
It goes against the jedi but not the light side. Particularly in kotor, the jedi are generally lambasted for not following the light.
Love options are regularly rewarded with light side points
I think this probably couldve worked for both genders? Like a morally grey, but redemptive conclusion for both bastilla and carth.
Agreed.
This is great! They really should have just left this in the game.
Having more options to play with is always a good thing.
Carth onasi is the goat bro he had an ending just for him alone
I’ve never gotten the ending with Carth waiting for you in the hangar after defeating Malak. Is that a mod only ending?
I managed a neutral ending once out of the dozen or more times I've played this game. Somehow, I made the right sequence of choices so that my light/dark alignment was square in the middle when I fought Malak on the Star Forge (can't remember how, though) and Malak's final speech mentioned something about Revan being neither light nor dark. I overwrote that save game and can't remember the exact dialogue after so long, but a 'neutral' ending does still exist in the base game.
Are you talking about the line where Malak says "Savior, conquer, hero, villain. You are all thing Revan... and yet you are nothing. In the end you belong neither to the light nor the darkness. You will forever be alone."
Because if so he says that if you follow the light side ending
4:57 not ideology of lightside but THE JEDI. So a flawed one at best.
The condemnation of love was an ideology of the Jedi, not necessarily the light.
I like the Darth ending with bastila by ur side and u controlling the starforge and a massive fleet
I’m pretty sure there already is something of a third ending for KOTOR 1 that isn't possible to continue in KOTOR 2-the version of the Light Side ending where the player kills Bastila on the Star Forge. I don’t think it’s possible to pick dialogue options in KOTOR 2 that have Revan alive and Bastila dead, even though it is possible to end KOTOR 1 this way (if I recall correctly, which I might not). If so, then the “Revan dies on the Star Forge” ending, if it had been kept, would not be unique in being impossible to continue in KOTOR 2.
If they do intend to remake both games, I hope they can better implement all the choices you make that lead into KOTOR 2. Similar to how they did with Mass Effect.
Yeah heard about that ending many years ago, sadly it’s actually not just adding depth to KOTOR but starwars in general, fantastic touch in a almost perfect game I say
I wondering is it possible entire game beeing neutral entire game and then got some special ending?