RW, I fully agree with you, the 25-06 and 257 Weatherby are the only viable 25's. So everybody needs to ship me their 250 Savage and 257 Robert's ammo immediately. Actually I would like to see a 25, just so 25 bullets would become more available. I personally think a 35 Prc on the bigger case would be a sweet rig. Unfortunately America seems to favor the 35 and 32 caliber about as well as the proverbial redheaded step child. The 33 bracket is already crowed for what it is. So how about a 23, 29, 31, 36 PRCs. Hornady could invent the calibers and bullets. Then just publish whatever ballistics they want. Who cares if the published ballistics match reality? Hornady doesn't. Cheers, Jeff
That's the exact reason the PRC is an improvement over legacy cartridges. You'll have to basically do custom rifle to get where you want to go with that route, whereas with a PRC cartridge you're set up to shoot modern bullets per saami spec. No need for custom twist rates or custom throats, none of that.
Off topic but ....Just a 270 WSM quick note, I have had excellent results just resizing 300 WSM brass, if you haven't tried it yet, go for it. No change in group sizes or pressure. Good luck
25-6.5 PRC and 25-7mm PRC have been out in wildcat form for a while, the former being the more popular of the two but the 25-7mm PRC really fancy’s my interest. The data that’s out there s really impressive
Get a wildcat made. It's not that tough. It's only money. I doubt you will see anything in the market anytime soon. It's really a small bullet and the versatility isn't there.
One thing that is very interesting is I watch Erick Cortina Podcasts. This individual is probably the world's greatest long-range shooter. His bullet of choice that he won his last tournament with is the 6.5 PRCW. This is a 6.5 prc necked up to 7mm. Now I would think that should be the next released PRC. That caliber is ruling F class and is very popular in long range shooting. I do like 7mm bullets for hunting (280). Check out Eric Cortina awesome long range shooter.
It's hard to say what the next PRC cartridge would actually be, but I personally would want a 338 PRC - the 300 PRC case necked up. But as you pointed out, it wouldn't push the heaviest high bc bullets super fast, and it also wouldn't compare favorably to the Lapua and Norma, however it would have less recoil than those two and brass would be much more affordable. It would be an awesome cartridge for hunting and it wouldn't be far behind the 340 WBY - it would probably push 250 grain bullets 2800 to 2850 fps or so in a 26" bbl. It would also be compatible with a lot more rifle actions than the Lapua or Norma. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to make it.
Good video. I have a 25 PRC custom built on a Solus action, 27 inch Shilen 1 in 7 barrel, Cortina tuner break in a MDT oryx chassis. Was going to test it and continue trsting my 25 Creedmoor build, but broke a couple of ribs, so no shooting for me for several months. With adg brass for the 6.8 W coming out early next year, I’ll have a new custom rifle very shortly thereafter.
😁 I Agree With Your Assessment That The 25 Caliber is the Right Space To Fill and Made That Suggestion to Horneday Myself! I Don't See Hoeneday Choosing the 338 Caliber, Due to 338 Demand! The Redesign of the 7mm prc to "Get it Right" With the 270 Caliber Would Be Funny (Hilarious to See 7mm fans Melt Down) - But, I'll Happily Stick With the 30-06 Family of Cartridges! 🤑
What about 6mm PRC....there are a ton of 6mm bullet options I mean compared to the 25s they are about double. Now with that said. It will be a dragster necked down to 6mm with normal light bullets. However with heavy 6mm bullets it could be in the 3200 range
I don’t think they are going to make 6.8 western ammo. I also don’t think they will make a 277 to try to kill it because then they would be making a bullet(s) that would contribute to help keep the 6.8 alive.
I like the idea of necking up the 6 5 prc to 7mm. If the 7mm 08 is great this would be a tad better and with a faster twist it would push the heavies. I'm telling you right now the 25 cal you want is on the creedmoor case. You can push the heavy 133s etc to 3k (I've done it) . And the 101lrx from Barnes is 💰 money.
If you match sectional densitys instead of bullet weights when comparing different caliber bullets on a comparable powder column you will get much closer to the actual with your projected hypothetical velocitys so, I agree with your hypothesis and would definitely consider the purchase of your proposed 25 prc
I think 25 and 270 would be great additions considering the theme of the prc family. Anything above the 300 I don't know that the trend of high bc is maintainable without considerable diminishing returns in performance and increases in recoil.
257 and 270 Piss RC , two more cartridges we don’t need !……. We already have the 270 WIN 6.8 western 270 WSM and 270 WBY, also 25 06 and 257 WBY ! We already have better And worse , we don’t need another !!!… It’s all marketing hype to sell new rifles ! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD !………
@@thomasdaum1927 its less so about performance, and more so about how as technology progresses, the manufacturing progress becomes capable of tighter tolerances with these new case designs and chamberings. So while you're correct, there are cartridges that are nearly ubiquitous, you miss the point of the new offerings if your thought process stops at ballistic performance.
@@Legitonion The last thing you want is a tight chamber in a hunting rifle when the bear is charging you ! Every chambering reamer is slightly different . They go through 100s of reamers when making rifles , it’s mostly advertising ( hype ) B.S. to sell new rifles, don’t buy into it ! Tight chambers are for target rifles not hunting rifles !
The 25 Creedmoor makes more sense to me. But I like the idea of a 338 prc but make the cast longer so get more powder in it to complete with the 340 and the 33 Nosler. I would prefer my cases not to be belted so that is interesting. 👍
In 2010 time frame a gunsmith shop I was working at we were building rifles based the 375 Ruger case. We were doing 338,308, 7mm, and 6.5 all based on the full length Ruger case ie: 300 PRC case. We did one 358 and one 458 based on the Ruger case. Hornady should have kept all their PRC cases the full length.
@@TODinWY I understand why they did what they did, marketing/sales. The RCM cases were all but dead and 6.5 PRC brought that case dimension back to life. The 7mm should had been the full length case, the 7 PRC is a beltless rem mag with a proper throat, lead, and faster twist. The Remington 700 long action has the same mag box length regardless of case head diameter ie: 06, standard length mag, and H&H mag. The RUM mag box is same length and the follower is different for the RUM. So a person would be able to use the heavy bc projo’s and not limit themselves to case capacity.
27 prc in short action will be a great overall hunting cartridge (modern 270 win). They’ll have high BC copper bullets, too. There is 6.8 western but it’s dead because of damn Hornady!
Possibly the most useful version, at least in Big Bear Country, would be the rebirth of the 338 RCM, which supplied the parent case for the 6.5 PRC. It is also a legit 500 yard elk cartridge.
An interesting bullet for the hypothetical 25 prc would be something like a 130 gr. CX or 130 gr. Barnes LRX. Speed, expansion weight retention and penetration. I'd attempt a Mule deer with that. Not quite sure Elk though.
I'd like to see what could be done with the 25 "grendel"? 80 grain barnes. Build some micro mausers like a cz 527? The 100 grain barnes would probably fly well in that too.
I don’t think a 270 PRC would automatically kill the 6.8W bc more and more shooters are wising up to Hornady’s deceitful marketing tactics. Plus, it seems like more folks are turning their attention to the 6.8W. As an aside I developed a 6.8 load with Reloader 26 and the 170 Berger. I’m getting 3035 FPS from my 24” X-Bolt.
@@ReloadingWeatherby I don't think Hornady would ever do a .27 PRC tbh - that means they'd have to make more high BC bullets in .277, which means they help the 6.8 Western again lol. Personally I think they'll go to a .338 and make a larger case to get optimal velocities like they've done with the rest
@@marcmoore4115 Fine with me really. I have a reamer and make my own. I don't need Hornady bullets with Berger and Nosler and others around. And, now that ADG is making 270WSM and 6.8 Western brass, more companies will likely make heavier bullets in 0.277. I've hunted 40 years without using a Hornady bullet until this past season so I reckon I can continue on in this chambering I have with what's available.
I’d guess they wouldn’t do a straight neck down for the 25. They can see that the 6.5 PRC was treated as a long action because of that ridiculous COL and lower the capacity on the 25 enough to get that COL to be an actually short action cartridge. You don’t get to market shit as a short action when basically only custom rifles will be chambered that way and I feel like they really walked that back over the years. A straight neck down would make for a longer COL and make an even more overbore cartridge. I don’t think the 338 gets made: they don’t any angle of attack over the Lapua or Norma. It’s too niche to be applicable to hunters, who drive the bulk of the PRC sales. Very few people want to deal with that level of recoil for a hunting gun.
Hornady needs to produce 6.8 Western ammo More gun manufacturers need to produce rifles in 6.8 Western There’s nothing wrong with the cartridge, it’s the marketing driven by Hornady against a cartridge better than one of theirs 😢🇦🇺
@@peterluttgens3364 Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!! You sir, are absolutely correct. So I am boycotting Hornady till they pull their heads out of their ass and give the consumer what they want.
I am just not that interested anymore in the PRC. I have a few rifles in 6.5 PRC they are accurate however owning WBYS I know I will never take them hunting. Again for hunting the 300 WBY well is does not get any better. Owning a 257 WBY Mag, I know I would just yawn if a 257 PRC was released. Roy Weatherby was a smart guy, people are still trying to change what they do and manufactures are still trying to make something better. My thoughts , Regards
All the hornady cases if I design them they would be the same length but the width would match the norma cases with 590 boltface. That would give them just a little more kick in the ass as far as power.
I think 338 would be interesting especially if they changed up the parent case. Either way they go smaller or larger than the 3 current offerings I think they would want to change up the parent case. 1 parent case of all calibers just doesn't make sense.
Hornady will probably go with a bigger case in 338. If they wanted my money they need to move away from long range focus. We have great choices for that. I’m starting to look at pure efficiency in powder consumption. At $50 a pound for some powders, rounds like 6.5 Grendel, or 6x47 start getting more interesting. Can Hornady improve on the PPC case family, and give is peak energy per grains of powder in medium game rounds.
Hornady can never kill 6.8 western. That cartridge was designed so darn well, and unless hornady copies it exactly, the short action following would never trade 6.8 western for some weird long-action/medium action hybrid cartridge. Say what you want about how the 6.8 western is “already dead,” but it’s not. It is growing. That’s why some good brass companies are producing it this year (finally!).
Surely you could get a 25cal in a 6.5prc case up to 3200fps and that would bring muzzle energy up to 3000 and it would smoke the 6.5prc Ive been talking about this for years to my mates 25cal for hunting in Australia is what we need
Here's the thing, how many of these PRC cartridges are actually "better" than some of the stuff that's been around for more than 60 years? How about rifle manufacturers just release older cartridges with faster twist rates to accept longer bullets? That'll save them a ton of money on tooling and design. No need to re-invent the wheel. Take the 25-06 for example. Build it in a 1:7.5 twist barrel and you have an ELR shooter. Take a .270 and give it a 1:8 twist and it'll stabilize 175gr bullets.
@@drdes9609 absolutely! I've been saying for a long time the 6.5-06 should be a factory build. It's borderline overbore, but it gives the shooter versatility. IMO, I think the 6.5-06 with a 1.8 twist would be the ultimate deer/ elk cartridge with a 150gr bullet doing 2800 ft/s
@@drdes9609 my point exactly. Makes life so much easier. Neck up or down if brass is in short supply. That's why I'm looking for my second calibre in a 30-06 parent case for that exact reason. Thinking .25-06 or .270. Got the ol' 30-06 for big game like Kudu, Wildebeest and Eland. Need something smaller for the lighter game like springbuck, impala and blesbuck. Something flat shooting with low recoil, but enough punch to put a Kudu down if it pops up in my crosshair. Any takes?
@@ruanschmidt6207 25-06 it’s an absolute laser beam with little to no recoil. If you reload 95g hammer can get that thing up to 3500fps. I would neck down 270 brass I just bought 250 of 30-06 and 250 of 270 so I’ll be good for a very long time.
The cartridge concept that piques my interest is a 6.8W necked up to 0.284” This would effectively be a short action 280AI. Why?… the 280AI is a common choice for back country mountain elk hunters in ultra light rifles. A short action is beneficial in this regard. The 7SAUM and the 7WSM are dead so there is presently a gap in the short action cartridge space that is well suited for Elk and Moose with moderate recoil and high BC bullets. The benefit of a 7 Western over a 6.8 Western would be comprised of all of the reasons why people choose the 280AI to begin with plus better barrel life and more robust selection of bullets. Cheers!
Just neck up a 6.5 PRC to 7mm. It’s already being done in the F-Class and PRS circles. Almost the same case capacity as a 280AI, and AFAIK, 6.5 PRC brass is more available than 6.8W
I think the reason they don’t is because if you stick to short action magazine lengths you can’t get the really nice high bc 7 mm bullets to have enough horse power to give a good advantage. The 277 caliber is easier to get higher bc bullets in a shorter length for short action magazines
I would say the 25 PRC is the most likely, but I also don't see them making one. I think wider spread adoption of the 25 Creedmoor is more likely. Making a 25 PRC goes a little against Hornady's whole cartridge design ethos. They are always interested in well balanced cartridge's and modest to somewhat high velocities. They are not in the business of the fastest or the most powerful but balance. I could see 25 Creedmoor being their next big push as I do believe the 25 is having a bit of a comeback and is an excellent choice. A 25 PRC would be likely be too fast for them given their philosophy with ELD-x. A short range hit with a 130gr 25 cal ELD-x out of a 25 PRC would probably just grenade it. They currently dont have a good 25 cal option for their CX bullets. For hornady a 120gr CX in 25 cal would work well in a 25 PRC. Both of the bullets theorized here dont exist yet though. 25 PRC also has no match applications or varmint applications. It would probably just be too niche. From what I see the 7-6.5 PRC is the best wildcat of the current PRC lineup. This has gained a lot of ground in competition and hunting circles because it is very well balanced and efficient. It fills a different niche than the 7mm PRC and the 6.5 PRC, but it could really harm 6.5 PRC sales and 7mm PRC sales. Given how things have been going for Hornady I think they arent going to mess with the PRC lineup anytime soon. It is very well balanced at the moment.
Id like to see a 338 that's successful somewhere near the 338-06 or 338 federal area we have enough long range paper punches I don't see the need for more . Those that would see a 25 prc ish CAL be a need or want are already wildcatting it.
I'd much prefer a .338 PRC. I see all the shortcomings and the limited market. But it would close the gap in Hornady's line up between the 300 PRC and the 375 Ruger. Why shoot a 338 Win Mag if you can shoot a 300 Win Mag? The .338 Win Mag has still been a very popular cartridge up in Alaska, so why should the 338 PRC not take over that spot? It is also more affordable and easier to produce .338 rifles with a .532 bolt diameter compared to the 338 Lapua and the 338 Norma. The PRC wouldn't be the ultimate .338 out there but again a pretty decent "affordable" option for non-handloading shooters and off the shelf rifle users. That's what made the other PRCs so popular so why not a .338?
I think a 338 that can outperform a Lapua Mag. 300 PRC runs very close but if they developed a 338 that outperforms the Lapua Mag shooting 300 gr I would be inline to purchase one.
I think they've made enough. I see no reason for more prc's. But, they probably will, but at some point they probably will. The only cartridge I would recommend would be a necked up 6.5 prc to 308 caliber, and it would be a great 30-06 ballistic twin for more compact hunting rifles. And, advertise it as such so the idiots amongst us would expect it to be anything more than that.
I've thought about a wildcat. What if you take a 28nosler cartridge, shorten to a 7mm PRC length, neck it down to 6mm & AI it, & make a new 6mm 125-150gr. 6mm? Maybe not ideal for hunting but for comp could be good?
6.5 prc has my interest. I do not enjoy 300 win mag. 7mm mag is great,but kicks like a hot 06.. What gets the most from the least? Hand loader speaking. I will Not load up 70gr load when I can get nearly the same from say 44gr load
270x 300 PRC would compete well with 27 nosler and use the high bc stuff but really how bout just maximum point blank range for us on the East coast I think it can do 3400 to 3500fps with a 130 no need to adjust knobs or turrets
That Berger bullet is not .65 G1 BC, it is .334 G7 BC. It is a g7 projectile and it is just nonsense that it is even given a g1. It's marketing gimmicks. Is it a big deal? No. It's simply given an equivalence value on a scale that it doesn't belong to. Point is simply call it what it is. There is a difference and there is a reason that that difference exists. My guess would be that may go 6mm or 8mm if they choose to extend the lineup.
6.5 PRC necked up to 7, so you'd push a big enough bullet to feel good about hunting Elk at normal ranges. 1:8 twist, lomger barrel life and less recoil than a PRC. 7mm creedmore, realizing, I'm basically describing.280 a.i. So, maybe the industry just needs to get behind that.
I think it would be overkill. The cartridges they have made are good calibers for long range shooting. The light bullets do not fall in that category at all. There are cartridges out there already that cover those cartridges. The Winchester Short Magnums did not all do well. And that is because of the overkill. If one swamps the market with maybe cartridges they fail in sales and they end up toast. Dream on but I can't see it. Only if some long-range shooters have an appetite for a new cartridge and would support it would it ever happen. I can't see it.
The guys that hate the PRC's have never even owned one much less fired one. I can call the creedmoor guys manbun boys because I have owned 3 6.5x55's. It's their lack of knowledge of the caliber and thinking they have a secret weapon when the ballistics are the same. The creedmoor is the 6.5 American, not the 6.5 Swede. But the PRC's are completely different. They are not duplicating an existing cartridge, they are competition for a caliber one up from them. Take my 6.5 prc. 24 inch barrel factory ammo 143s at 2930 and 130's at 3,100 fps. The 6.5 prc beats the 270 win in every aspect. And last point, the .264 caliber is actually 6.7mm.
9,3 PRC
RW, I fully agree with you, the 25-06 and 257 Weatherby are the only viable 25's. So everybody needs to ship me their 250 Savage and 257 Robert's ammo immediately. Actually I would like to see a 25, just so 25 bullets would become more available.
I personally think a 35 Prc on the bigger case would be a sweet rig. Unfortunately America seems to favor the 35 and 32 caliber about as well as the proverbial redheaded step child. The 33 bracket is already crowed for what it is. So how about a 23, 29, 31, 36 PRCs. Hornady could invent the calibers and bullets. Then just publish whatever ballistics they want. Who cares if the published ballistics match reality? Hornady doesn't.
Cheers, Jeff
*slow clap
Thank you for having the courage to say it, especially that last sentence.
My next rifle build is going to be a 257 weatherby in a 1 in 8 twist. So I can shoot the high BC Berger bullets.
Going to be a single shot rifle. Magazine box too short, if you intend to make the best of available powder capacity.
That's the exact reason the PRC is an improvement over legacy cartridges. You'll have to basically do custom rifle to get where you want to go with that route, whereas with a PRC cartridge you're set up to shoot modern bullets per saami spec. No need for custom twist rates or custom throats, none of that.
That makes me think… short action .257 in 6.5 PRC case.
I'm holding out for the 9.3mm PRC. Cutting Edge and Hammer have some long 25's.
338. Challenge Lapua and Norma magnums.
Yep agree 10000000%
If they use a 532 bolt face there’s just no chance. At best it’s a slightly worse 33 Sherman
@@beavismagnum I change my answer. .45-70 PRC
@@beavismagnum I change my answer. .45-70 PRC
I think the 15 prc will be it.
Off topic but ....Just a 270 WSM quick note, I have had excellent results just resizing 300 WSM brass, if you haven't tried it yet, go for it. No change in group sizes or pressure. Good luck
I am waiting for them to rename the 6.8W the 270 PRC and claim they invented it.
Lol
A 257 weatherby with a 1-8 twist would be the ultimate 25 cal
Weatherby really should get with the times!
7mm in shor action. 6.5 PRC neck up to 7mm but not longer to fit short action. - Modern 7mm08
Already a wildcat, it’s called the 7mm PRCW
33 Sherman is a 300PRC necked up to 338 and with a slightly sharper shoulder.
25-6.5 PRC and 25-7mm PRC have been out in wildcat form for a while, the former being the more popular of the two but the 25-7mm PRC really fancy’s my interest. The data that’s out there s really impressive
I see a lot more 25 creedmoors than PRCs
Facts I’ve also been watching the wildcats.
Get a wildcat made. It's not that tough. It's only money. I doubt you will see anything in the market anytime soon. It's really a small bullet and the versatility isn't there.
@@garrytalley8009 I didn’t say I wanted one. I just said it’s an interesting concept. 25 caliber cartridges have never been known for versatility.
One thing that is very interesting is I watch Erick Cortina Podcasts. This individual is probably the world's greatest long-range shooter. His bullet of choice that he won his last tournament with is the 6.5 PRCW. This is a 6.5 prc necked up to 7mm. Now I would think that should be the next released PRC. That caliber is ruling F class and is very popular in long range shooting. I do like 7mm bullets for hunting (280). Check out Eric Cortina awesome long range shooter.
FYI I decided to clock factory ammo in 2 of my 7PRCs today. I am seeing what most of you see as well. Nothing near advertised velocity.
25" Brux barrel #5 8 twist
Hornady ELDX 175 - 2845, 2895, 2863 (3/8")
Federal ELDX 175 - 2952, 2944, 2965 (1.5")
Hornady CX 160 - 2938, 2931, 2941 (2.75")
Hornady ELDM 180 - 2892, 2852, 2868 (1.5")
24" Benchmark barrel #5 8 twist
Hornady ELDX 175 - 2885, 2871, 2906 (3/4")
Federal ELDX 175 - 2950, 2955, 2977 (2.75")
Hornady CX 160 - 2919, 2926, 2916 (3/4")
Hornady ELDM 180 - 2886, 2867, 2885 (3/4")
Factory Tikka T3x stainless 270 Winchester, Federal 136 TLR (same as terminal ascent?), 59.5 Superformance, federal nickel brass, 210 primer, 3200 fps, 3/4" 5 shot group with new brass.
Thanks for sharing
It's hard to say what the next PRC cartridge would actually be, but I personally would want a 338 PRC - the 300 PRC case necked up. But as you pointed out, it wouldn't push the heaviest high bc bullets super fast, and it also wouldn't compare favorably to the Lapua and Norma, however it would have less recoil than those two and brass would be much more affordable. It would be an awesome cartridge for hunting and it wouldn't be far behind the 340 WBY - it would probably push 250 grain bullets 2800 to 2850 fps or so in a 26" bbl. It would also be compatible with a lot more rifle actions than the Lapua or Norma. But I'm not holding my breath waiting for them to make it.
Good video. I have a 25 PRC custom built on a Solus action, 27 inch Shilen 1 in 7 barrel, Cortina tuner break in a MDT oryx chassis. Was going to test it and continue trsting my 25 Creedmoor build, but broke a couple of ribs, so no shooting for me for several months. With adg brass for the 6.8 W coming out early next year, I’ll have a new custom rifle very shortly thereafter.
Did you have custom dies made? I’m also looking at building a 25prc off of the solus action
6mm (6.5 case) PRC if theyd make a 120ish grain eld bullet.
😁 I Agree With Your Assessment That The 25 Caliber is the Right Space To Fill and Made That Suggestion to Horneday Myself! I Don't See Hoeneday Choosing the 338 Caliber, Due to 338 Demand! The Redesign of the 7mm prc to "Get it Right" With the 270 Caliber Would Be Funny (Hilarious to See 7mm fans Melt Down) - But, I'll Happily Stick With the 30-06 Family of Cartridges! 🤑
What about 6mm PRC....there are a ton of 6mm bullet options I mean compared to the 25s they are about double.
Now with that said. It will be a dragster necked down to 6mm with normal light bullets. However with heavy 6mm bullets it could be in the 3200 range
Thats a 240 weatherby or if u want a shorty 6-284
6 ARC
@@dankcincy 6 arc what? Prc is much bigger
@@JosephGraff3 Fair point.
More powder under the same projectiles. Faster, flatter, hits harder.
Trying not to buy Hornady 🇦🇺
Until they make a 6.8 Western 😮
I don’t think they are going to make 6.8 western ammo. I also don’t think they will make a 277 to try to kill it because then they would be making a bullet(s) that would contribute to help keep the 6.8 alive.
Just get a 270… there’s a good reason it’s been used for over a century. You millennials always want to go against the grain.
Hornady be like:
Write that down!
Write that down!!
They don't watch this crap.
I like the idea of necking up the 6 5 prc to 7mm. If the 7mm 08 is great this would be a tad better and with a faster twist it would push the heavies.
I'm telling you right now the 25 cal you want is on the creedmoor case. You can push the heavy 133s etc to 3k (I've done it) . And the 101lrx from Barnes is 💰 money.
6PRC, based off 6.5PRC case but shortened to get 2.8COL. Seems like something Hornady would do.
Seems a bit over bore for their tastes. But it would be sweet
@@ReloadingWeatherby .257 PRC then?
Go bigger, 8PRC.
8mm is kind of dead
@@ReloadingWeatherby only in US
@sinistersilverado965 Nowhere else matters... Hornady sells more ammo in America than the rest if the world combined lol...
If you match sectional densitys instead of bullet weights when comparing different caliber bullets on a comparable powder column you will get much closer to the actual with your projected hypothetical velocitys so, I agree with your hypothesis and would definitely consider the purchase of your proposed 25 prc
I would love to see a 25 prc
338 would fit Hornady to compete w/ the 338 Norma and be a great hunting round
Is your 340 Weatherby back with its new stock?
I think 25 and 270 would be great additions considering the theme of the prc family. Anything above the 300 I don't know that the trend of high bc is maintainable without considerable diminishing returns in performance and increases in recoil.
257 and 270 Piss RC , two more cartridges we don’t need !……. We already have the 270 WIN 6.8 western 270 WSM and 270 WBY, also 25 06 and 257 WBY ! We already have better And worse , we don’t need another !!!… It’s all marketing hype to sell new rifles ! GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEAD !………
@@thomasdaum1927 its less so about performance, and more so about how as technology progresses, the manufacturing progress becomes capable of tighter tolerances with these new case designs and chamberings. So while you're correct, there are cartridges that are nearly ubiquitous, you miss the point of the new offerings if your thought process stops at ballistic performance.
@@Legitonion The last thing you want is a tight chamber in a hunting rifle when the bear is charging you ! Every chambering reamer is slightly different . They go through 100s of reamers when making rifles , it’s mostly advertising ( hype ) B.S. to sell new rifles, don’t buy into it ! Tight chambers are for target rifles not hunting rifles !
Great video, brother. I just released a video on the 6 PRC…. I’d love to see a 25 PRC offering.
The 25 Creedmoor makes more sense to me. But I like the idea of a 338 prc but make the cast longer so get more powder in it to complete with the 340 and the 33 Nosler. I would prefer my cases not to be belted so that is interesting. 👍
I fully expect the 25 Creedmoor will be the next Hornady cartridge
In 2010 time frame a gunsmith shop I was working at we were building rifles based the 375 Ruger case. We were doing 338,308, 7mm, and 6.5 all based on the full length Ruger case ie: 300 PRC case. We did one 358 and one 458 based on the Ruger case.
Hornady should have kept all their PRC cases the full length.
And shut out the short/medium-action afficionados? Not likely.
@@TODinWY I understand why they did what they did, marketing/sales. The RCM cases were all but dead and 6.5 PRC brought that case dimension back to life.
The 7mm should had been the full length case, the 7 PRC is a beltless rem mag with a proper throat, lead, and faster twist. The Remington 700 long action has the same mag box length regardless of case head diameter ie: 06, standard length mag, and H&H mag. The RUM mag box is same length and the follower is different for the RUM. So a person would be able to use the heavy bc projo’s and not limit themselves to case capacity.
27 prc in short action will be a great overall hunting cartridge (modern 270 win). They’ll have high BC copper bullets, too. There is 6.8 western but it’s dead because of damn Hornady!
I wouldn’t call it dead. ADG is going to be producing quality brass by the end of this year. That should really improve the availability of ammo
We need Hornady to get serious about 22 Creedmoor, but they won't because Hornady is paying someone a royalty for it.....
I think you might be right on the caliber but i hope it's on the .300 case with all copper or brass projectiles so it can go over 4k
I think they should come out with a 6.5mm mag prc and a 7mm mag prc based off of the 300 prc case and overall length.
That already exists from nosler though
Possibly the most useful version, at least in Big Bear Country, would be the rebirth of the 338 RCM, which supplied the parent case for the 6.5 PRC. It is also a legit 500 yard elk cartridge.
An interesting bullet for the hypothetical 25 prc would be something like a 130 gr. CX or 130 gr. Barnes LRX. Speed, expansion weight retention and penetration. I'd attempt a Mule deer with that. Not quite sure Elk though.
To be honest they'd come out with a 25 creedmoore before a prc. A 277 prc in the 6.5 prc case would probably work. 338 🤷
7 PRCW
I've been wandering that myself. My guess has been .25 cal myself. In part because of the 257 Robert's and 257 weatherby mag.
I'd like to see what could be done with the 25 "grendel"? 80 grain barnes.
Build some micro mausers like a cz 527? The 100 grain barnes would probably fly well in that too.
I don’t think a 270 PRC would automatically kill the 6.8W bc more and more shooters are wising up to Hornady’s deceitful marketing tactics. Plus, it seems like more folks are turning their attention to the 6.8W.
As an aside I developed a 6.8 load with Reloader 26 and the 170 Berger. I’m getting 3035 FPS from my 24” X-Bolt.
I think a 270PRC would be a great idea
That's because you have one!
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yes I do! And MORE TO COME. 😃
@@ReloadingWeatherby I don't think Hornady would ever do a .27 PRC tbh - that means they'd have to make more high BC bullets in .277, which means they help the 6.8 Western again lol.
Personally I think they'll go to a .338 and make a larger case to get optimal velocities like they've done with the rest
How’s the 270PRC coming along Derek
@@marcmoore4115 Fine with me really. I have a reamer and make my own. I don't need Hornady bullets with Berger and Nosler and others around. And, now that ADG is making 270WSM and 6.8 Western brass, more companies will likely make heavier bullets in 0.277. I've hunted 40 years without using a Hornady bullet until this past season so I reckon I can continue on in this chambering I have with what's available.
I’d guess they wouldn’t do a straight neck down for the 25. They can see that the 6.5 PRC was treated as a long action because of that ridiculous COL and lower the capacity on the 25 enough to get that COL to be an actually short action cartridge. You don’t get to market shit as a short action when basically only custom rifles will be chambered that way and I feel like they really walked that back over the years. A straight neck down would make for a longer COL and make an even more overbore cartridge. I don’t think the 338 gets made: they don’t any angle of attack over the Lapua or Norma. It’s too niche to be applicable to hunters, who drive the bulk of the PRC sales. Very few people want to deal with that level of recoil for a hunting gun.
Newest PRC should be… 6.8 western!!!
Hornady needs to produce 6.8 Western ammo
More gun manufacturers need to produce rifles in 6.8 Western
There’s nothing wrong with the cartridge, it’s the marketing driven by Hornady against a cartridge better than one of theirs 😢🇦🇺
@@peterluttgens3364
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!!! You sir, are absolutely correct.
So I am boycotting Hornady till they pull their heads out of their ass and give the consumer what they want.
I really don't know, or have much interest, in the PRC cartridges. But a 358 PRC would perk up my interest.
Just get a 358 Norma Mag. About the same. Or a 358 STA. Not likely to be a success
I am just not that interested anymore in the PRC. I have a few rifles in 6.5 PRC they are accurate however owning WBYS I know I will never take them hunting. Again for hunting the 300 WBY well is does not get any better. Owning a 257 WBY Mag, I know I would just yawn if a 257 PRC was released. Roy Weatherby was a smart guy, people are still trying to change what they do and manufactures are still trying to make something better. My thoughts , Regards
I've been talking about building a 25prc for a while now. Run a 1/7.5 twist with the berger 133/135. Would be a great round
All the hornady cases if I design them they would be the same length but the width would match the norma cases with 590 boltface. That would give them just a little more kick in the ass as far as power.
I think 338 would be interesting especially if they changed up the parent case. Either way they go smaller or larger than the 3 current offerings I think they would want to change up the parent case. 1 parent case of all calibers just doesn't make sense.
Hornady will probably go with a bigger case in 338. If they wanted my money they need to move away from long range focus. We have great choices for that. I’m starting to look at pure efficiency in powder consumption. At $50 a pound for some powders, rounds like 6.5 Grendel, or 6x47 start getting more interesting. Can Hornady improve on the PPC case family, and give is peak energy per grains of powder in medium game rounds.
Hornady can never kill 6.8 western. That cartridge was designed so darn well, and unless hornady copies it exactly, the short action following would never trade 6.8 western for some weird long-action/medium action hybrid cartridge. Say what you want about how the 6.8 western is “already dead,” but it’s not. It is growing. That’s why some good brass companies are producing it this year (finally!).
I agree! It's a great cartridge
Absolutely love it 🇦🇺
Surely you could get a 25cal in a 6.5prc case up to 3200fps and that would bring muzzle energy up to 3000 and it would smoke the 6.5prc
Ive been talking about this for years to my mates
25cal for hunting in Australia is what we need
Here's the thing, how many of these PRC cartridges are actually "better" than some of the stuff that's been around for more than 60 years? How about rifle manufacturers just release older cartridges with faster twist rates to accept longer bullets? That'll save them a ton of money on tooling and design. No need to re-invent the wheel. Take the 25-06 for example. Build it in a 1:7.5 twist barrel and you have an ELR shooter. Take a .270 and give it a 1:8 twist and it'll stabilize 175gr bullets.
Totally agree 6.5-06 is basically a 6.5 prc and it goes on and on.
@@drdes9609 absolutely! I've been saying for a long time the 6.5-06 should be a factory build. It's borderline overbore, but it gives the shooter versatility. IMO, I think the 6.5-06 with a 1.8 twist would be the ultimate deer/ elk cartridge with a 150gr bullet doing 2800 ft/s
@@ruanschmidt6207 35 Whelen, 338-06, 30-06, 280ai, 270 win, 6.5-06 and 25-06 coyotes to brown bear with one parent case.
@@drdes9609 my point exactly. Makes life so much easier. Neck up or down if brass is in short supply. That's why I'm looking for my second calibre in a 30-06 parent case for that exact reason. Thinking .25-06 or .270. Got the ol' 30-06 for big game like Kudu, Wildebeest and Eland. Need something smaller for the lighter game like springbuck, impala and blesbuck. Something flat shooting with low recoil, but enough punch to put a Kudu down if it pops up in my crosshair.
Any takes?
@@ruanschmidt6207 25-06 it’s an absolute laser beam with little to no recoil. If you reload 95g hammer can get that thing up to 3500fps. I would neck down 270 brass I just bought 250 of 30-06 and 250 of 270 so I’ll be good for a very long time.
7prc..378
I miss the 25 WSSM
22 PRC might be something they consider too
22 ARC
@@dankcincy a good one for sure. 22 creedmoor also exists but a 22 PRC would still be a cool concept, even if it is ludicrously overbore
Or .17 prc based on the 300 prc case of course.
25 cal is fenomenal
The cartridge concept that piques my interest is a 6.8W necked up to 0.284”
This would effectively be a short action 280AI.
Why?… the 280AI is a common choice for back country mountain elk hunters in ultra light rifles.
A short action is beneficial in this regard.
The 7SAUM and the 7WSM are dead so there is presently a gap in the short action cartridge space that is well suited for Elk and Moose with moderate recoil and high BC bullets.
The benefit of a 7 Western over a 6.8 Western would be comprised of all of the reasons why people choose the 280AI to begin with plus better barrel life and more robust selection of bullets.
Cheers!
Just neck up a 6.5 PRC to 7mm. It’s already being done in the F-Class and PRS circles. Almost the same case capacity as a 280AI, and AFAIK, 6.5 PRC brass is more available than 6.8W
7 SAUM brass is available. Why reinvent the wheel?
7SAUM is a fantastic cartridge. Absolutely love mine.
@@jonbaniak9097 Yeah, but 7 Saum availability is less than stellar.
I think the reason they don’t is because if you stick to short action magazine lengths you can’t get the really nice high bc 7 mm bullets to have enough horse power to give a good advantage. The 277 caliber is easier to get higher bc bullets in a shorter length for short action magazines
I would say the 25 PRC is the most likely, but I also don't see them making one. I think wider spread adoption of the 25 Creedmoor is more likely. Making a 25 PRC goes a little against Hornady's whole cartridge design ethos. They are always interested in well balanced cartridge's and modest to somewhat high velocities. They are not in the business of the fastest or the most powerful but balance. I could see 25 Creedmoor being their next big push as I do believe the 25 is having a bit of a comeback and is an excellent choice. A 25 PRC would be likely be too fast for them given their philosophy with ELD-x. A short range hit with a 130gr 25 cal ELD-x out of a 25 PRC would probably just grenade it. They currently dont have a good 25 cal option for their CX bullets. For hornady a 120gr CX in 25 cal would work well in a 25 PRC. Both of the bullets theorized here dont exist yet though. 25 PRC also has no match applications or varmint applications. It would probably just be too niche.
From what I see the 7-6.5 PRC is the best wildcat of the current PRC lineup. This has gained a lot of ground in competition and hunting circles because it is very well balanced and efficient. It fills a different niche than the 7mm PRC and the 6.5 PRC, but it could really harm 6.5 PRC sales and 7mm PRC sales. Given how things have been going for Hornady I think they arent going to mess with the PRC lineup anytime soon. It is very well balanced at the moment.
Id like to see a 338 that's successful somewhere near the 338-06 or 338 federal area we have enough long range paper punches I don't see the need for more . Those that would see a 25 prc ish CAL be a need or want are already wildcatting it.
Weatherby 338 RPM
@@MrAjtellier that would be on par with a 338 win mag little bit more than I was talking about but it is a interesting cartridge on its own
@kylecasetta4091 with the 18" barrel its close to the 338-06.
The 338 PRC would be almost identical to the 33 Nosler(which has a bit larger case) And they would have to use a Magnum 3.8" action like the 300PRC
I'd much prefer a .338 PRC. I see all the shortcomings and the limited market. But it would close the gap in Hornady's line up between the 300 PRC and the 375 Ruger.
Why shoot a 338 Win Mag if you can shoot a 300 Win Mag? The .338 Win Mag has still been a very popular cartridge up in Alaska, so why should the 338 PRC not take over that spot?
It is also more affordable and easier to produce .338 rifles with a .532 bolt diameter compared to the 338 Lapua and the 338 Norma. The PRC wouldn't be the ultimate .338 out there but again a pretty decent "affordable" option for non-handloading shooters and off the shelf rifle users. That's what made the other PRCs so popular so why not a .338?
Update on your 340 Weatherby?
Gun is back at Weatherby, just waiting to hear from them
I think a 338 that can outperform a Lapua Mag. 300 PRC runs very close but if they developed a 338 that outperforms the Lapua Mag shooting 300 gr I would be inline to purchase one.
I think they've made enough.
I see no reason for more prc's.
But, they probably will, but at some point they probably will. The only cartridge I would recommend would be a necked up 6.5 prc to 308 caliber, and it would be a great 30-06 ballistic twin for more compact hunting rifles. And, advertise it as such so the idiots amongst us would expect it to be anything more than that.
I want 338 / 06 AI prc!
I've thought about a wildcat. What if you take a 28nosler cartridge, shorten to a 7mm PRC length, neck it down to 6mm & AI it, & make a new 6mm 125-150gr. 6mm? Maybe not ideal for hunting but for comp could be good?
That would be crazy
@@ReloadingWeatherby crazy good? Or crazy, I should spend money lol.
6.5 prc has my interest. I do not enjoy 300 win mag. 7mm mag is great,but kicks like a hot 06.. What gets the most from the least? Hand loader speaking. I will Not load up 70gr load when I can get nearly the same from say 44gr load
6.8 Western 🎉
The biggest question I have is: Are the Hornady factory 300 PRC ammo velocities accurate?
If you have a 26 inch barrel... yes
I’d like to see 8.6 PRC. Not sure if the overall market agrees though.
So 338 PRC?
Yes. Whichever they think markets better
You should take a look at Allen Magnum!
270x 300 PRC would compete well with 27 nosler and use the high bc stuff but really how bout just maximum point blank range for us on the East coast I think it can do 3400 to 3500fps with a 130 no need to adjust knobs or turrets
That Berger bullet is not .65 G1 BC, it is .334 G7 BC. It is a g7 projectile and it is just nonsense that it is even given a g1. It's marketing gimmicks. Is it a big deal? No. It's simply given an equivalence value on a scale that it doesn't belong to. Point is simply call it what it is. There is a difference and there is a reason that that difference exists.
My guess would be that may go 6mm or 8mm if they choose to extend the lineup.
So how come no one makes a .296? A 264 in a 7mm PRC case? A 277 in the 300 PRC case?
25 prc for sure.
Doesn't matter... 270 Win beats them all!
Haha!
The 270 Win is all you need!
@@ReloadingWeatherbyHe is right you know.
Right there officer that’s the one smoking crack
I want a 270 win, just having trouble talking myself into it over the 7 prc
6.5 PRC necked up to 7, so you'd push a big enough bullet to feel good about hunting Elk at normal ranges. 1:8 twist, lomger barrel life and less recoil than a PRC. 7mm creedmore, realizing, I'm basically describing.280 a.i. So, maybe the industry just needs to get behind that.
That's the 7 PRC W
How about the .366 PRC, (9.3 mm)
25 PRC but based on the 7, not the 6.5. Would decimate
That would be fun
.338 prc
Do we want or need another PRC
Just falling into the Hornady honey trap 🥴
While they are at it, they need to make 25 creedmoor an official cartridge as well
~6.3 Eastern . . .
I think the 25prc could be the best coyote and antelope gun ever. Thats just me though
7 dasher
270 PRC
Allready have 6.8 western
Already have ultra modern 270.....6.8 western
Take a much larger case than 300 PRC and create 35 PRC😮
The only great new cartridge I've seen in a while is the 28 Nosler. I'm going to build one this year...
I feel like they will follow nosler on how they released there’s so there will be a 27 but not for awhile
25 creedmore is next so 25 prc will probably be the next prc.
25 prc makes most sense or creedmore
I think it would be overkill. The cartridges they have made are good calibers for long range shooting. The light bullets do not fall in that category at all. There are cartridges out there already that cover those cartridges. The Winchester Short Magnums did not all do well. And that is because of the overkill. If one swamps the market with maybe cartridges they fail in sales and they end up toast. Dream on but I can't see it. Only if some long-range shooters have an appetite for a new cartridge and would support it would it ever happen. I can't see it.
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I think it will be a 6mm prc
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25 prc
I think 270 would be better in 6.5 prc case
Better than a 270 in a 7PRC case? Naaaa.
.257
338 prc....
The guys that hate the PRC's have never even owned one much less fired one. I can call the creedmoor guys manbun boys because I have owned 3 6.5x55's. It's their lack of knowledge of the caliber and thinking they have a secret weapon when the ballistics are the same. The creedmoor is the 6.5 American, not the 6.5 Swede. But the PRC's are completely different. They are not duplicating an existing cartridge, they are competition for a caliber one up from them. Take my 6.5 prc. 24 inch barrel factory ammo 143s at 2930 and 130's at 3,100 fps. The 6.5 prc beats the 270 win in every aspect. And last point, the .264 caliber is actually 6.7mm.
The 6.8 Western beats the 6.5 PRC & 7mmPRC