It has to be #2. You don’t want to try to intervene in unknown situations. Your “morals” could have you saving a murderer by killing the self defender. Add domestic disputes, people playing ill advised games with toy guns, etc… Good luck. You need to have a #2 plus mindset. The plus is only the most obvious and extreme scenarios. Even then, you’ll likely be killed by a #3 in the process.
It’s not a “lack of training”. It’s not wanting to get the Daniel Penny treatment. Do everything right and go to jail which in turn causes my family harm.
I’d say I’m a #2 unless I’m by myself, then I’m a #3. Reason being, if my family is with me or friends, my priority is getting them out of harms way asap.
That’s exactly how I feel about it, if my family is with me, my priority is their safety. I’d only use my weapon if the threat is directly to my family or using my weapon won’t endanger them i.e. they are already to cover or away from the threat and I’m not for whatever reason. But if I’m by myself I hope I would have the courage to defend someone if I could.
There's definitely a type somewhere between 2 and three. I don't necessarily carry to defend myself against a personal attack. If someone is trying to mug me, it's a physical fight until it gets to a point my life is actually on the line. I carry primarily so my family and I can have a higher probability of getting away from a random rampager. Anyone in the vicinity, will benefit from me protecting my family, friends, and self. Am I willing to defend a stranger? Yes; but you bet your bottom dollar, I'm not rushing to judgement to basically "pick a side." If there's an obvious innocent and I see the whole incident from the begining, and have the knowledge to make a good judgement, any life is valuable, and I would defend another, but yes, I'm getting my family and friends to safety, first, as they are my priority. I'm not out looking for people to defend, especially with my firearm. This has nothing to do with ability or confidence, but making sure I have all the information necessary to ensure I'm acting on the side of doing the right and legal thing, in protecting an unknown. I'm not one to allow an innocent to be seriously injured or killed by a rampager but I'm securing the safety of my family and friends, first, and if that means leaving the area to do so, then that's what it is. I know my wife isn't going to leave my side. To protect her, I have to get her out by getting myself out of harm's way with her. The rest comes down to the circumstances and tactics. Is the best way to get away from danger to head away from it, or do we have to go through it, neutralize it, to get to a safe place? Still the philosophy of why I carry, or when I use my firearm isn't as neatly compartmentalized into just three types.
I would have said #3 ... until I had kids. Nowadays, if I go to prison just to be a hero - my family is in big trouble. The other element that wasn't discussed here is the cases of mistaken identity. It can be extremely hard to figure out in a split second who the "good" and "bad" guy is in a situation - you didn't see who started it and you don't know these people. Unless it's crystal fucking clear, I want no part in someone else's fight.
I don't think there's any CCW holders out there that wouldn't do anything for their immediate family. Number one it's just for me I doubt that. My personal opinion is a CCW holder be a number 3. But I just think this whole conversation is sideways
Nee sub and here to help so I have been doing a lot of comments to help and aid and not put down just fyi on your weapons and things I notice. I am a us army veteran and have done full complete and custom builds from scratch was going to make a comment on your light set up but I just did a quad rail so still working on the finesse of the rail basically working on how to get that light tucked in. My Mlok rails I use arisaka on scout lights to tuck it in. Just another FYI building from scratch is a lot cheaper. Nice weapon
In Massachusetts you get arrested if you use your ccw in a lawful defense scenario. Using it to save someone else would probably get me thrown in jail. Hell, the person I save would probably press charges on me because everyone in mass is terrified of firearms.
I didn’t get my ccw to go play hero. If there’s a mass shooter situation, I’m getting myself and my family, if they’re with me, out of there and I’m only pulling my gun if I see the shooter. Getting mistaken for the shooter is a high possibility during a mass shooter scenario. Hell I also have to make sure I can correctly identify the shooter and not shoot another ccw holder because that person decided to play hero. Then if I have to draw my gun, now I gotta make sure I don’t look like the mass shooter. The odds are greatly against ccw holders. Not worth it. As an adult your safety and the safety of your family is your responsibility. If you’re an adult and you don’t have a ccw and also don’t train with it to protect yourself and your family, that is completely your fault not mine and it’s not my moral responsibility to protect you and your family because you decided not to do it yourself.
My preparedness is for myself and my family, everyone else has the same opportunity to prepare and defend themselves. Why would anyone go to prison for protection of a lazy person that didnt take their defense seriously?
What about the court thing so if your family or yourself will die if you dont pull gun and use thats easier to defend yourself in court .i wouldn't just go to jail if i was in danger of being killed because in Oregon you would get arrested.its not self defense if you have to run toward a attack better to let the person protect themselves unless its full blown chaos.
I am the first guy at work only because if something happens and i defend someone at work i will immediately get fired and i gurantee no one will support me or my family after getting fired. Outside of work i am number 2
My feeling is unless I clearly understand whats going on I will not intervene. Clearly. If I understand the situation clearly I still may choose not to intervene. I understand legal liability. I understand that if I am in jail I lose my social security and that family income while I am in there and I will not get any needed medical care and likely be raped and beaten. So if the intervention ends up with a trial and I can’t make bail its going to be bad. Therefore other than protection of me and mine use of deadly force is going to be unlikely to save someone else but not impossible. I may use tactics and force less than deadly to interrupt or disrupt an event.
Bodymore Murderland gun laws get law abiding citizens even if you are or not protecting others or your self charged placed and jail ad or killed so drawing to late well that's the other part that gets you done it's not the ccw that's the problem its the laws in place that protect the criminals because there going home to do it again the next day😢
It has to be #2. You don’t want to try to intervene in unknown situations. Your “morals” could have you saving a murderer by killing the self defender. Add domestic disputes, people playing ill advised games with toy guns, etc… Good luck.
You need to have a #2 plus mindset. The plus is only the most obvious and extreme scenarios. Even then, you’ll likely be killed by a #3 in the process.
It’s not a “lack of training”.
It’s not wanting to get the Daniel Penny treatment.
Do everything right and go to jail which in turn causes my family harm.
I’d say I’m a #2 unless I’m by myself, then I’m a #3. Reason being, if my family is with me or friends, my priority is getting them out of harms way asap.
That’s exactly how I feel about it, if my family is with me, my priority is their safety. I’d only use my weapon if the threat is directly to my family or using my weapon won’t endanger them i.e. they are already to cover or away from the threat and I’m not for whatever reason. But if I’m by myself I hope I would have the courage to defend someone if I could.
Definitely #2 , maybe #3 . #3 is so dangerous even saving a cop can get you killed by arriving cops.
Great job! Where can people take scenario classes in New York, New Jersey or PA?
As a Catholic CCW holder.....this is moral duty....as an US Army Veteran WV4GAA OEF.....it's still my duty....fml.
There's definitely a type somewhere between 2 and three.
I don't necessarily carry to defend myself against a personal attack. If someone is trying to mug me, it's a physical fight until it gets to a point my life is actually on the line. I carry primarily so my family and I can have a higher probability of getting away from a random rampager. Anyone in the vicinity, will benefit from me protecting my family, friends, and self.
Am I willing to defend a stranger? Yes; but you bet your bottom dollar, I'm not rushing to judgement to basically "pick a side." If there's an obvious innocent and I see the whole incident from the begining, and have the knowledge to make a good judgement, any life is valuable, and I would defend another, but yes, I'm getting my family and friends to safety, first, as they are my priority. I'm not out looking for people to defend, especially with my firearm. This has nothing to do with ability or confidence, but making sure I have all the information necessary to ensure I'm acting on the side of doing the right and legal thing, in protecting an unknown.
I'm not one to allow an innocent to be seriously injured or killed by a rampager but I'm securing the safety of my family and friends, first, and if that means leaving the area to do so, then that's what it is. I know my wife isn't going to leave my side. To protect her, I have to get her out by getting myself out of harm's way with her. The rest comes down to the circumstances and tactics. Is the best way to get away from danger to head away from it, or do we have to go through it, neutralize it, to get to a safe place? Still the philosophy of why I carry, or when I use my firearm isn't as neatly compartmentalized into just three types.
I would have said #3 ... until I had kids. Nowadays, if I go to prison just to be a hero - my family is in big trouble. The other element that wasn't discussed here is the cases of mistaken identity. It can be extremely hard to figure out in a split second who the "good" and "bad" guy is in a situation - you didn't see who started it and you don't know these people. Unless it's crystal fucking clear, I want no part in someone else's fight.
I don't think there's any CCW holders out there that wouldn't do anything for their immediate family. Number one it's just for me I doubt that. My personal opinion is a CCW holder be a number 3. But I just think this whole conversation is sideways
People afraid of lawsuits and jail/court
Nee sub and here to help so I have been doing a lot of comments to help and aid and not put down just fyi on your weapons and things I notice. I am a us army veteran and have done full complete and custom builds from scratch was going to make a comment on your light set up but I just did a quad rail so still working on the finesse of the rail basically working on how to get that light tucked in. My Mlok rails I use arisaka on scout lights to tuck it in. Just another FYI building from scratch is a lot cheaper. Nice weapon
In Massachusetts you get arrested if you use your ccw in a lawful defense scenario. Using it to save someone else would probably get me thrown in jail. Hell, the person I save would probably press charges on me because everyone in mass is terrified of firearms.
@@seanmccullough3863 I'm here in MA with you. You're not alone.
so glad im in guntucky most people carry here no permit required if you pass the nics check you get it the same day and can carry it
I didn’t get my ccw to go play hero. If there’s a mass shooter situation, I’m getting myself and my family, if they’re with me, out of there and I’m only pulling my gun if I see the shooter. Getting mistaken for the shooter is a high possibility during a mass shooter scenario. Hell I also have to make sure I can correctly identify the shooter and not shoot another ccw holder because that person decided to play hero. Then if I have to draw my gun, now I gotta make sure I don’t look like the mass shooter. The odds are greatly against ccw holders. Not worth it. As an adult your safety and the safety of your family is your responsibility. If you’re an adult and you don’t have a ccw and also don’t train with it to protect yourself and your family, that is completely your fault not mine and it’s not my moral responsibility to protect you and your family because you decided not to do it yourself.
I just don't want to get shot by a cop for getting involved.
My preparedness is for myself and my family, everyone else has the same opportunity to prepare and defend themselves. Why would anyone go to prison for protection of a lazy person that didnt take their defense seriously?
You had me until you mentioned USCCA.
What about the court thing so if your family or yourself will die if you dont pull gun and use thats easier to defend yourself in court .i wouldn't just go to jail if i was in danger of being killed because in Oregon you would get arrested.its not self defense if you have to run toward a attack better to let the person protect themselves unless its full blown chaos.
USCCA has to many loopholes to get out of backing you and if you are truly the moral person you claim to be you all shouldn’t be backing that company.
Good luck in comyfornia
I am the first guy at work only because if something happens and i defend someone at work i will immediately get fired and i gurantee no one will support me or my family after getting fired. Outside of work i am number 2
Charles Dickens?! You mean Eli.
My feeling is unless I clearly understand whats going on I will not intervene. Clearly. If I understand the situation clearly I still may choose not to intervene. I understand legal liability. I understand that if I am in jail I lose my social security and that family income while I am in there and I will not get any needed medical care and likely be raped and beaten. So if the intervention ends up with a trial and I can’t make bail its going to be bad. Therefore other than protection of me and mine use of deadly force is going to be unlikely to save someone else but not impossible. I may use tactics and force less than deadly to interrupt or disrupt an event.
Bodymore Murderland gun laws get law abiding citizens even if you are or not protecting others or your self charged placed and jail ad or killed so drawing to late well that's the other part that gets you done it's not the ccw that's the problem its the laws in place that protect the criminals because there going home to do it again the next day😢
Brandon looks so serious LOL
USCCA????! 😂 Good luck