At the beginning of WW II, my father, staff sergeant, was a drill instructor. He had a clever way of spreading the rumor that he took a certain sadistic joy from putting men on report. How he did this is a story for another day. But the con worked. He had all but complete compliance. One day he was called to appear before the camp commander. My father said he was sweating. Colonels did not usually call sergeants to their offices and when they did it almost always meant trouble. He arrived and was sent into the colonel's office. The one-way conversation went something like this: "Sergeant, I have been looking over the MP reports for the last several months, and I have noticed that your platoon has far fewer on report than the other platoons. (doubtless suspecting a con or worse) Sergeant, I don't know what you are doing. I DON"T want to know what you are doing. Keep it up." In view of the grim tasks before them, my father did not want to be distracted, nor his men for that matter. I don't know what kind of sergeant he would be called, but he always had his men's best interest at heart.
I always tried to let my subordinate soldiers do things the way they felt was the best way. I would check on them and insure they completed the task. I also highly encouraged them to further their education by attending classes or taking correspondence courses. One thing I also did is carry $1.00 bills in my pocket, and things were done, and I hate busy work. I would ask them to go buy me a soda and make sure I got it after morning formation. I was a firm believer in counseling statements, but not just for negative things. I gave counseling statements for positive actions, because I wanted backup for when I put them in for excellent EERs and awards. I continued the practice even when I made warrant officer, I let my senior NCO do the running of the troops and allowed him or her develop their leadership skills. When I was ready to retire after 23 years I refused to accept an award because I had submitted paperwork for two of my soldiers for awards and they were “loss” and I would not accept an award of any kind if my soldiers couldn’t get one. Loyalty is a two way street and I know how I felt about self servicing “bosses”.
I like your counseling statements when soldiers did something right. I had a boss once and he always said, "catch 'em doing something right and let 'em know about it."
Absolutely. I have been in leadership before. One job I was taught to be a chameleon. It had results. But I hated the fact I had to yell and cuss at certain people to get the job done. Though it did get results. Talking down to a grown adult is one of my biggest pet peeves. Others I could talk to like a normal human being and have it be respected and the job done efficiently. It's one of the major drawbacks of your work force being one hundred percent staffing agencies.
@@aewhatever Even worse is when I had several higher ups from different departments telling me how to do my job and none of them were on the same page (including the ones from my own department).
I got my E5 quicker than a few battle buddies at our unit and we went to the bar off post. My buddy asked me if I wanted a beer...in parade rest. Smart a$$ lol
AS an NCO I always explained the task to be accomplished what was expected to be done to accomplish the task. never micro manage and make the correction as needed, Train you your soldiers do you job and every others job within the platoon or section. We had a Colonel who always told the our section if I leave you in charge even if you are a private, I will not scutinize you for a bad decision, but I will you scrutinize you for indecision.
I always see some sergeants ask a specialist, under them, when you are going to the promotion board. And the specialist replied, when I ETS. I also had a cut you some slack sergeant. This sergeant have us knock out the majority of the work before lunch time. Some of the soldiers are then told to hide out for the rest of the day or just given some time off. BTW I like the RUclips belt in the background
I once had a sergeant that you saw always with a coffee cup in hand and he had no purpose aside from hassling privates and specialists in the section. He was a bully, but he backed off if you gave him respect but told him politely to buzz off so you could get to work.
My last squad leader, an E-6, was chill as hell. Still fairly young but one of the most competent E-6s we had even though we had many who were older and had been in the rank longer. If you're an E-6 and already know your retirement date, you are way too old to be an E-6.
As a former SSG, I was both a friendly and a strict NCO. I found this way to work for me. Every team I had was tight knit. Listen to your soldiers, take care of them and they will take care of you. However, you will get some shitbags now and then.
Latino female NCOs, old e5, or any junior NCOs are easy to get along. They are pretty much relaxing unless you did something bad. They can help you in little detail but don’t rely too much on them. Finally, You gotta stay away from being too friendly with any NCOs, it’s riding on a lion lol
The kind that tell you to better yourself and go to college, but never lets you go (insert excuse here). The one that tells to take the initiative and charge, but you have to ask for permission, or they get butthurt because you didn’t do it “their way.” etc etc
These types apply in every large organisation. Same across industries, instead of sergeant, they are called "team leaders" or "manager". Lower middle level people with a bit of power...hazardous mix.
I'm a retired 1SG and can't comment on my own style objectively. But I absolutely WILL comment on SFC Kirk Van Der Bogart aka "SFC V". Consummate professional! Knew his job COLD. Mentored subordinates as if they were his own kids. If it was cold and raining outside and you were standing a post at the far end of the base, don't be surprised to have him out there with you asking if your grandma is out of the hospital, yet. As a young SGT, newly assigned to his platoon, he sat me down across from him at his desk. He took out a dogtag chain and laid it out in a straight line between him and me with the clasp facing me. He told me, "Take the clasp and push the chain towards me in a straight line." Of course, the chain kinked and folded and was a complete mess. He straightened it out and said, "Now pull the chain towards me". I pulled it towards myself and made a U-turn bringing the chain in a straight line towards him. "Questions?" he asked?
I was always chill until soldiers didn't want to do their jobs. Work hard no stupid shit get the job done and go. I never had soldiers stay around if there was nothing to do. I would stay late if it meant my team didn't have too. Hated NCOs who didn't have a life and makes everyone miserable. I always worked with senior ranking Officers and NCOs.
I was never a Sergeant... I was a Petty Officer and then Chief. I think I've been 7 of your types at different times with different sailors. In my opinion, there is no "one" or best style of leadership. In fact, I think that the entire idea of leadership is that one tailor the approach individually in order to get the best result. What I never became was a leader who didn't put my people first. I may have been a dick at times but I was a dick that cared about my people.
Thanks Chief ! I EAOSed as an Operations Specialist 2nd Class after eight years sea duty on a DDG and a CG and two years shore duty as an MP . As a Quad S ( Surface SubSurface Supervisor) who was trained on the SPY1A radar and Aegis Combat System I was in command of a watch team in CIC underway . While Inport the job of maintaining good order and discipline of the E4s and below was the duty of the OI Division LPO . But when we were underway they were my men . I decided when they rotated from one watch station to another and kept them alert to their duties . I saw a failure by one of my men as a failure on my part .
I was that NCO that always wanted my soldiers to live the core values. We were cool until you lost your bearing, then we had a problem. I always trusted my platoon to get the job done, and would be a teacher when things didnt look right. We werent always friends, but there was a level or respect and morale that came with the territory. I was that way because i almost fought my platoon sergeant when I was overseas after finding him in the same place I was at and knowing he shouldnt have been there.
I had a SGT that blamed his failures on me. It was always something I did lol. He was my Crewman 2 in my drills when I was a private and I would perform my tasks well, but he would always safety or barely pass his. I sound off my locations and made sure I was where he needed me.. but he was always looking lost. He shoved me over to RSOP because he said I slowed him down and he still was just as bad when I was gone.
I had an NCO that turned everything into a competition. Hurry hurry hurry we have to get such and such done before second section . We always had to be done first. It actually made things very interesting 🤔
I can definitely relate to this video. The SNCO’s are the ones who were usually invisible in a way because they were always in their office and seemed like they never left. We would sometimes forget they were even in the building. Everything you listed as far as NCO’s is beyond relatable for the USAF version of 88M which is 2T1X1. Saw my fair share of all types of these NCO’s and then there was Andrew’s AFB v-ops flight that had all of the above that you talked about.
I was probably the most laid back, nicest NCO Soldiers would know. I was that shoulder they could "cry" on, figuratively speaking. That said I remember one tried to use my good nature to his advantage because I was "understanding" compared to the others. I promptly said "no" and man...the butt hurt in his eyes, he went back to work sulking. Like good grief people, I'll be a sympathetic ear, but I'm not your friend.
How about the sergeant that’s getting a divorce so he takes his stress out on the lower enlisted of the shop making their life hell. Manipulated and blackmailed the whole shop, had people thinking other people were saying things about other people all for his entertainment. Real piece of work.
In ait, I had a drill sergeant that was always pissed off the minute she showed up in the morning. No matter what we did good or bad we always got smoked for some stupid reason. She is a jump master so every pt was airborne style even though we were a bunch of mechanics in ait. For example we would often run with boots and IOTVs. She would almost never be in boots or wearing a plate carrier though, most of us hated her for this, she wasn't leading by example.
So? You guys are soldiers, you suppose to train like ones. And yes she got privilege because she earned it. Jump up in rank if you want to do things your way 👍
The Know it all Sergeant. The type that will spout out his 2 sense at everything and anything even if he is completely wrong and when you counter his point he takes it as an offense. I've had two Sergeants an E5 squad leader and E6 drill sergeant like that. I think the Drill Sergeant rubbed off on me because I kinda became a know it all in personality.
Many of the Sr. N.C.Os. I had experience with 53 years ago in the Army saw extensive combat in WW2 and Korea, Vietnam, some all three, and they were crispy. They were both respected and feared, mostly feared.
I was in Seoul Korea at Yongsan!!!! We did town patrol in Itewon! Limelight club.. bald eagle... we used to get egg and cheese with ketchup egg cheese wrapped in foil when i was off duty i had fun off duty there. Meet some cool Russian girl also. JUICY GIRLS.. they used to call me their kid. Lol i was really young bro. Peace good Video man
Okay, Chris. You finally got my attention with your post about "different types" of Sergeants. Perhaps you should change that to "different types" of individual personalities. Everyone has to start "somewhere", and each one of the "different personalities" that you mentioned has made mistakes and, hopefully, became a better NCO because of them. Let us not forget that an NCO is a leader of men and should never ask his/her subordinates to do something that they have not (or would not) do themselves. We lead by example. 👍
Let's empty out the connex, wait around until 16:00. Have the Commander show up to count a bunch of things we've never used, then put it all back. One of the main reasons I would disappear...
Don't know if you ever came across this type of NCO. The functional alcoholic. My very first Plt Sgt was one. Boy that's a nightmare just waiting to happen. 6Bn, 32nd Armor. Ft. Carson. My very first stateside permanent duty station. You always hoped he was drunk when you fell out for morning formation. On the rare times he wasn't drunk all hell would break loose. It would last until the NCO club opened for lunch, he'd disappear for a couple hours and when he came back everything returned to normal.
How about the "do as I say not as I do sergeant"? I had an E5 squad leader who would critique every little thing on our uniforms and hygiene during morning work formation. But he always looked like a rag bag. And when we would mention he hadn't shaved or shined his boots that day, he would say something like "I'm not inspecting me. I'm inspecting you". Demotivating.
I would like to add the "reluctant sergeant". These are those guys who had no real interest in making e5 and just wanted to ride out their time in the army, but because they hit that secondary zone and had points, their leadership decided to force them to go to the board to gobble up those NCOER/OER bullets. And of course, because it would cause less friction in the long term, they got through and passed the board and so now here they are as a sergeant. They don't think of their place in the army as any different, and most likely they're not reenlisting.
Never felt much of a need to be a jerk, I’d just PT the hell out of them until they stopped messing up. I was the fastest guy in the company, it wasn’t hard to just run forever… keep screwing up and we just run more tomorrow. I can deal with dumb, can’t deal with lazy.
Thank you for all the videos just enlisted yesterday. I noticed MEPS is designed to be inefficient to wear you Down so the recruiters can take advantage of you almost didn’t get my bonus.
I’ve got an example of very rare type of Senior NCO - the kind with a Diamond and an Officer with a couple connected silver bars…..The VENDETTA 1SG and the Powerless CO….. While assigned to 1CD DIVARTY I was a member of the DIVARTY S3 Ops team and reported to an LTC. 2 x MAJ, 4 x CPT’s, and a SGM. Our assigned HHB was for admin purposes only which meant that while the CO and 1SG legally and technically had authority over us they really wielded no power over us. Well…….we paid for it at every formation we were able to attend. While they were “Buddy Buddy” with most people in the company they treated us much more harshly. If we missed a formation due to our jobs they made darn sure to put it on paper EVERY single time and thankfully those Article 15’s went no where. I think I signed no less than 50 Counseling statements recommending non-judicial punishment over 3 years on the job. It made life difficult because we couldn’t hang out with other soldiers or NCO’s from the Battery. Ultimately we hung out with the Officers, NCO’s, and Soldiers from DIVARTY HQ.
Never was a NCO. I was an E4 who became squad leader many times. Spent one summer as a squad leader and sometimes platoon sgt. I had quite a few dirtbag NCOs. I always made sure my guys ate first before me. I would stay later then my guys on details also. Had the Bat commander notice this and when all of the squad leaders came back from weeks of training. He smoked them and told the NCOs my style of leading and how that should be the norm. Letting your lower enlisted eat first and be treated right. I paid dearly for that for a few months. I did not care.
I'm a former drill Sergeant and a Sergeant First Class.I'm a nice NCO and let my Soldiers act like adults. It's not until they become a problem dont micromanage them. Otherwise I like to be hands off let the Soldiers surprise me with their creativity. I get on to Jr NCOs not Soldiers.
@@christopherchaos Wow! I was NOT expecting a direct reply from you! Let alone less than half a hour after I posted. Besides the obvious, the reason I'm asking is because I'm an army veteran (35F) going to college on the GI Bill and am going back in as an intelligence officer after I get my bachelor's degree. It's worth mentioning that in the army, I had some those of those sergeants you mentioned above, although the closest I came to a micromanagement sergeant was the specialist in charge of our arms room when it came to vehicle inspection. In the army, I had one lieutenant who was eccentric (and friendly with me since we were both from Jersey) and I had a captain who was mostly good, but made a few bad judgement calls that really got on my nerves (obviously, I never expressed them to him). I also had a Lieutenant Colonel who LOVED to hear the sound of his own voice and a butterbar who acted they knew everything and sidelined the junior enlisted.
The officer that was a NCO, been there done that. BUTTT still needs the NCO, to say hey sir, do you remember???? Out of my account that is the winning balance, for all involved.
I came in the army after serving in the navy(4 yrs)came in as an E-4,E-4 in the navy is equal to an E-5 in army,you can give orders,write people up,etc,etc,...first duty station 1st Cav Div-Ft Hood,Tx-HHC-2/8 Cav.Was amazed at how at the way things were run in the army.My sgts were lazy,gutless and pathetic and these were their good points !!! LOL.As an E-4 I was running my platoon,had my 1st Sgt & CO signing off on paper work to help my fellow soldiers,as an E-4 !!! LOL.1st Cav &Ft Hood has a well earned reputation for being 8-up.my 1st Sgt recommended me to be promoted to sgt,I was already doing the work of a platoon sgt !!! LOL.After I left regular army in mid 2001,in 2004 I volunteered to deploy to Iraq 4 times with the Texas National Guard.My first tour was with an infantry unit because I wanted to fight,we did joint ops with the marines,I was at Camp TQ.A marine FOB.I did numerous raids,arrestted/detained numerous insurgents,fire-fights out the wazoo !!! GET-SOME. LOL. Saw fellow soldiers/marines bite the BIG-ONE. SAD.And civilians. SAD TOO.Did 2 deployments back-to back,because I chose to. GO ARMY !!!! LOL. Did 4 tours to Iraq,then did 4yrs as a civilian contracter in Qatar as sercurity forces,wanted to go to Afganistan next,but my mother was deathly sick,so went back home to take care of her.I was the only one who could afford to take off of work to do around the clock health-care of my mother.She got better and is still alive to this day-THANK GOD.Once back in the states,decided to stay.I really wanted Afganistan tho,but my mother comes before ANYTHING !!! SEMPER-FI.
I went back into active duty Army May 2001 after doing 6 years with B trp, 124 Cav TxNG, I went from E-6 to E-5 assigned 1CD 1/7cav Ctrp as a 19D20 first as a Bradley Commander and then the Chain of Command found out after 9/11 that I was also a 13F20 and moved me to HQ plt /supply, I was sent to HHB 1/82 FA May of 2002 as the FiSTeam Chief for C trp 2/8 Cav and before we got the M7 B-FiST, being a gunner and BC for 7 years of and a former JTAC/Colt Chief with a 101st Combat Patch (Shit was like GOLD)! by the time we went to NTC training up for OIF II. 2/8 Cav was not even close to being like it was when you left. We worked with the leaders that were worth saving and got rid of the ones that were dead weight. Moved a lot of the younger guys up the ranks and had a great unit by the time I left. Just letting you know we fixed it! Retired 2012 SFC
I was the NCO everyone hoped would be around and on any days I was off, they wished I could be there, I trained anyone regardless if they were my troopers or not! If and when I was seeing a leader making things tough on the Joes, I would come in with a attitude of "work smarter" and give the other leaders alternative ways to get the missions done. My commanders gave me the High Visibility missions when they needed the Bn, BDE or Div to not Looked F**ked up or if a Mission was turning into a soup sandwich It was handed to me to unf**K it. I stayed busy and made my time in service go by to fast... "that's all I have to say about that" in the voice of Forrest Gump LOL
The dictator…good one, my First Sargeant in boot would always single me out no matter where I was he would make me police everywhere if he saw me. He would wake me up in the middle of the night to transcribe his correspondence, he was a classic racist and one of the most bigoted man I ever met. My CO was non existent Top ran the company. We had a black XO he and Top would go at it periodically, and Top was a pretty ignorant mother…yeah I’ve seen all of them.
Christopher Chaos: my boy just graduated basic/ait and joined 70th Armor at Ft. Riley. Was curious as to how an Armor unit deploys to say South Korea. Take everything? Is there equipment that stays overseas and is reused? Planes, trains, or ships?
There are already us forces in Korea so they use the equipment there. Sometimes they will ship out some of their equipment but for Korea they would likely not bring the tanks and instead use the tanks that we have in Korea.
I know some of my privates felt I was the Dictator Sargent. I had some real dirty bags. Which honestly was due to the platoon Sargent being a dirt bag. They followed by example. Its very disheartening to be an NCO and the NCO over you is a scum bucket. Meanwhile one Squadleader is the Short timer. I often was unofficially over his squad also. And the other Squad leader was a ghost NCO. Though most of his squad were also ghost. So it really didn't matter. I never did understand why there was only three squad leaders in that platoon. however there was another Sargent in the platoon. And 99% of the three years there. He was TDY or some BS. I know part if it was school. Heck I didn't even know he was in the Platoon for the first 2 years. Never seen him. Until one of my Specialist told me Sargent Gay was there and was in the platoon. He tried taking my Squad. And I kicked him into the third squad. I call him Sargent gay because shortly after we were at NTC. And mechanic were working on one of our truck. And required an operator to be there. So I was asleep in the cab. The door opens. I expect it was the mechanic. So said something like, What's up? before those words are out from my half asleep. His guy is grinding his crouch on my knee. Which I woke up REAL QUICK. Oh why was I doing a privates job? All mine were on the road when we found out about the work order. So I elected to do it. If I had a choose I would have given it to one of mine. Because it was a sham duty. Anyhow after the incident. ( I was steamed) I talked to one of my soldiers that had been there before me. #1 I was shocked. #2 I never should have told her. Anyhow, she always suspected that he was gay. When we returned from NTC he changed platoons. I said something to the platoon Sargent of the matter. But dropped it after. I didn't know if I should beat his ass, or what. I'd came across other gays in the Army. Though none had done this. They did their thing and I ignored it. the whole don't ask don't tell thing. Anyhow, I Think i was more of a NCO creed Sargent. Also you spoke if the micromanage NCO. I hated when I had to play that part. You tell your soldiers to do a job. Then later nothing was done. So you are forced to micro manage the job... Its not like I didn't have other things to do. But again that goes back to the listerbag Platoon Sargent. Never before did I meet such an ate up company, no lets change that to Ate up battion. Since the lesbo Bn CO was also there.
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Sometimes the Invisible Sergeant shows up and becomes the Micro Managing Sergeant and you wish they would disappear again.
I say my Dad is like that with a dash of narcissism. My Dad worked as an MO and a Commando in the Singaporean Army in the 80s and 90s iirc.
At the beginning of WW II, my father, staff sergeant, was a drill instructor. He had a clever way of spreading the rumor that he took a certain sadistic joy from putting men on report. How he did this is a story for another day. But the con worked. He had all but complete compliance.
One day he was called to appear before the camp commander. My father said he was sweating. Colonels did not usually call sergeants to their offices and when they did it almost always meant trouble. He arrived and was sent into the colonel's office. The one-way conversation went something like this:
"Sergeant, I have been looking over the MP reports for the last several months, and I have noticed that your platoon has far fewer on report than the other platoons. (doubtless suspecting a con or worse) Sergeant, I don't know what you are doing. I DON"T want to know what you are doing. Keep it up."
In view of the grim tasks before them, my father did not want to be distracted, nor his men for that matter. I don't know what kind of sergeant he would be called, but he always had his men's best interest at heart.
I always tried to let my subordinate soldiers do things the way they felt was the best way. I would check on them and insure they completed the task. I also highly encouraged them to further their education by attending classes or taking correspondence courses.
One thing I also did is carry $1.00 bills in my pocket, and things were done, and I hate busy work. I would ask them to go buy me a soda and make sure I got it after morning formation. I was a firm believer in counseling statements, but not just for negative things. I gave counseling statements for positive actions, because I wanted backup for when I put them in for excellent EERs and awards.
I continued the practice even when I made warrant officer, I let my senior NCO do the running of the troops and allowed him or her develop their leadership skills. When I was ready to retire after 23 years I refused to accept an award because I had submitted paperwork for two of my soldiers for awards and they were “loss” and I would not accept an award of any kind if my soldiers couldn’t get one. Loyalty is a two way street and I know how I felt about self servicing “bosses”.
I like your counseling statements when soldiers did something right. I had a boss once and he always said, "catch 'em doing something right and let 'em know about it."
This can literally apply to civilian supervisors as well.
Absolutely. I have been in leadership before. One job I was taught to be a chameleon. It had results. But I hated the fact I had to yell and cuss at certain people to get the job done. Though it did get results. Talking down to a grown adult is one of my biggest pet peeves. Others I could talk to like a normal human being and have it be respected and the job done efficiently. It's one of the major drawbacks of your work force being one hundred percent staffing agencies.
@@aewhatever Even worse is when I had several higher ups from different departments telling me how to do my job and none of them were on the same page (including the ones from my own department).
@@egyptwns89_26 tell me about it. So goes the ol saying " if you can't help, don't him "
Especially if they are not and want to micromanage you on a procdure you introduced
I did CPL before SGT as 11B. I think it should be a requirement for learning that leadership role and it helped me a lot.
That's rarely done. Or to be fair my unit most of us were spc4s in my unit 11B1P
I got my E5 quicker than a few battle buddies at our unit and we went to the bar off post. My buddy asked me if I wanted a beer...in parade rest. Smart a$$ lol
AS an NCO I always explained the task to be accomplished what was expected to be done to accomplish the task. never micro manage and make the correction as needed, Train you your soldiers do you job and every others job within the platoon or section. We had a Colonel who always told the our section if I leave you in charge even if you are a private, I will not scutinize you for a bad decision, but I will you scrutinize you for indecision.
I always see some sergeants ask a specialist, under them, when you are going to the promotion board. And the specialist replied, when I ETS. I also had a cut you some slack sergeant. This sergeant have us knock out the majority of the work before lunch time. Some of the soldiers are then told to hide out for the rest of the day or just given some time off. BTW I like the RUclips belt in the background
I once had a sergeant that you saw always with a coffee cup in hand and he had no purpose aside from hassling privates and specialists in the section. He was a bully, but he backed off if you gave him respect but told him politely to buzz off so you could get to work.
My last squad leader, an E-6, was chill as hell. Still fairly young but one of the most competent E-6s we had even though we had many who were older and had been in the rank longer. If you're an E-6 and already know your retirement date, you are way too old to be an E-6.
I've had plenty of NCO's, who I walked up to at parade rest. They would immediately tell me to relax. It's all about respect, and playing the game.
As a former SSG, I was both a friendly and a strict NCO. I found this way to work for me. Every team I had was tight knit. Listen to your soldiers, take care of them and they will take care of you. However, you will get some shitbags now and then.
Latino female NCOs, old e5, or any junior NCOs are easy to get along. They are pretty much relaxing unless you did something bad. They can help you in little detail but don’t rely too much on them. Finally, You gotta stay away from being too friendly with any NCOs, it’s riding on a lion lol
Some of those sergeants take it way over board but don't want you having a cool relationship with the lieutenant
The kind that tell you to better yourself and go to college, but never lets you go (insert excuse here).
The one that tells to take the initiative and charge, but you have to ask for permission, or they get butthurt because you didn’t do it “their way.”
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These types apply in every large organisation. Same across industries, instead of sergeant, they are called "team leaders" or "manager". Lower middle level people with a bit of power...hazardous mix.
I'm a retired 1SG and can't comment on my own style objectively. But I absolutely WILL comment on SFC Kirk Van Der Bogart aka "SFC V". Consummate professional! Knew his job COLD. Mentored subordinates as if they were his own kids. If it was cold and raining outside and you were standing a post at the far end of the base, don't be surprised to have him out there with you asking if your grandma is out of the hospital, yet. As a young SGT, newly assigned to his platoon, he sat me down across from him at his desk. He took out a dogtag chain and laid it out in a straight line between him and me with the clasp facing me. He told me, "Take the clasp and push the chain towards me in a straight line." Of course, the chain kinked and folded and was a complete mess. He straightened it out and said, "Now pull the chain towards me". I pulled it towards myself and made a U-turn bringing the chain in a straight line towards him. "Questions?" he asked?
I was always chill until soldiers didn't want to do their jobs. Work hard no stupid shit get the job done and go. I never had soldiers stay around if there was nothing to do. I would stay late if it meant my team didn't have too. Hated NCOs who didn't have a life and makes everyone miserable.
I always worked with senior ranking Officers and NCOs.
I was never a Sergeant... I was a Petty Officer and then Chief. I think I've been 7 of your types at different times with different sailors.
In my opinion, there is no "one" or best style of leadership. In fact, I think that the entire idea of leadership is that one tailor the approach individually in order to get the best result.
What I never became was a leader who didn't put my people first. I may have been a dick at times but I was a dick that cared about my people.
Thanks Chief ! I EAOSed as an Operations Specialist 2nd Class after eight years sea duty on a DDG and a CG and two years shore duty as an MP . As a Quad S ( Surface SubSurface Supervisor) who was trained on the SPY1A radar and Aegis Combat System I was in command of a watch team in CIC underway . While Inport the job of maintaining good order and discipline of the E4s and below was the duty of the OI Division LPO . But when we were underway they were my men . I decided when they rotated from one watch station to another and kept them alert to their duties . I saw a failure by one of my men as a failure on my part .
Don’t even pretend navy leadership is on the same level as the real military.
I was that NCO that always wanted my soldiers to live the core values. We were cool until you lost your bearing, then we had a problem. I always trusted my platoon to get the job done, and would be a teacher when things didnt look right. We werent always friends, but there was a level or respect and morale that came with the territory. I was that way because i almost fought my platoon sergeant when I was overseas after finding him in the same place I was at and knowing he shouldnt have been there.
I had a SGT that blamed his failures on me. It was always something I did lol. He was my Crewman 2 in my drills when I was a private and I would perform my tasks well, but he would always safety or barely pass his. I sound off my locations and made sure I was where he needed me.. but he was always looking lost. He shoved me over to RSOP because he said I slowed him down and he still was just as bad when I was gone.
I had an NCO that turned everything into a competition. Hurry hurry hurry we have to get such and such done before second section . We always had to be done first. It actually made things very interesting 🤔
I can definitely relate to this video. The SNCO’s are the ones who were usually invisible in a way because they were always in their office and seemed like they never left. We would sometimes forget they were even in the building. Everything you listed as far as NCO’s is beyond relatable for the USAF version of 88M which is 2T1X1. Saw my fair share of all types of these NCO’s and then there was Andrew’s AFB v-ops flight that had all of the above that you talked about.
I was probably the most laid back, nicest NCO Soldiers would know. I was that shoulder they could "cry" on, figuratively speaking. That said I remember one tried to use my good nature to his advantage because I was "understanding" compared to the others. I promptly said "no" and man...the butt hurt in his eyes, he went back to work sulking. Like good grief people, I'll be a sympathetic ear, but I'm not your friend.
How about the sergeant that’s getting a divorce so he takes his stress out on the lower enlisted of the shop making their life hell. Manipulated and blackmailed the whole shop, had people thinking other people were saying things about other people all for his entertainment. Real piece of work.
Where's the 🧢 ?
I don't see it.
How about his superiors from CSM to company commander who did not reign him in
You should do a video on different types of drills
Huge huge huge congrats on 100K!
In ait, I had a drill sergeant that was always pissed off the minute she showed up in the morning. No matter what we did good or bad we always got smoked for some stupid reason. She is a jump master so every pt was airborne style even though we were a bunch of mechanics in ait. For example we would often run with boots and IOTVs. She would almost never be in boots or wearing a plate carrier though, most of us hated her for this, she wasn't leading by example.
91b ? if so , what company was it ?
So? You guys are soldiers, you suppose to train like ones. And yes she got privilege because she earned it. Jump up in rank if you want to do things your way 👍
@@NgJackal1990:ever heard the axiom "lead by example"?!😒
@@NgJackal1990 refer to the latin phrase “ductus exemplo”.
The Know it all Sergeant. The type that will spout out his 2 sense at everything and anything even if he is completely wrong and when you counter his point he takes it as an offense. I've had two Sergeants an E5 squad leader and E6 drill sergeant like that. I think the Drill Sergeant rubbed off on me because I kinda became a know it all in personality.
Many of the Sr. N.C.Os. I had experience with 53 years ago in the Army saw extensive combat in WW2 and Korea, Vietnam, some all three, and they were crispy. They were both respected and feared, mostly feared.
I was in Seoul Korea at Yongsan!!!! We did town patrol in Itewon! Limelight club.. bald eagle... we used to get egg and cheese with ketchup egg cheese wrapped in foil when i was off duty i had fun off duty there. Meet some cool Russian girl also. JUICY GIRLS.. they used to call me their kid. Lol i was really young bro. Peace good Video man
That champion belt looking real good in the background!
Okay, Chris. You finally got my attention with your post about "different types" of Sergeants. Perhaps you should change that to "different types" of individual personalities. Everyone has to start "somewhere", and each one of the "different personalities" that you mentioned has made mistakes and, hopefully, became a better NCO because of them. Let us not forget that an NCO is a leader of men and should never ask his/her subordinates to do something that they have not (or would not) do themselves. We lead by example. 👍
Interesting how different the definition is between different forces
hey chris I had good and not so good sgts!! most of the good ones I knew were nam vets!!!!
80's
Let's empty out the connex, wait around until 16:00. Have the Commander show up to count a bunch of things we've never used, then put it all back. One of the main reasons I would disappear...
It was worse in a hq’ platoon, because all the office weenies never had to help.
7 days until I ship to bct and ait at fort sill, 94M
Being an MP, we had PT at crazy times. First was at 3am. Lightning struck near by. Well can't do PT now...
This was Sgts talking
I was the invisible, friendly, just another Joe, and “don’t care” NCO. I would only become the “im not your friend” NCO if necessary.
Can you do a list like this but for officers
Eh, that could be a possible video in the future.
I was the invisible guy. One SPC laughed, and said, we're all at the Motor Pool, and right before final formation, here comes Van...
Don't know if you ever came across this type of NCO. The functional alcoholic. My very first Plt Sgt was one. Boy that's a nightmare just waiting to happen. 6Bn, 32nd Armor. Ft. Carson. My very first stateside permanent duty station. You always hoped he was drunk when you fell out for morning formation. On the rare times he wasn't drunk all hell would break loose. It would last until the NCO club opened for lunch, he'd disappear for a couple hours and when he came back everything returned to normal.
when we had to git chow out 2 or 3 times a day in the field in alaska! most s.g.t.s! knew the" mission" 80's!!!
Hey Man good video, I think I have seen most of these kind of guys!
Nearly all the ones I had were dangerously abusive, they were also court martialed because of this. I had a bad experience in the military.
How about the "do as I say not as I do sergeant"? I had an E5 squad leader who would critique every little thing on our uniforms and hygiene during morning work formation. But he always looked like a rag bag. And when we would mention he hadn't shaved or shined his boots that day, he would say something like "I'm not inspecting me. I'm inspecting you". Demotivating.
I would like to add the "reluctant sergeant". These are those guys who had no real interest in making e5 and just wanted to ride out their time in the army, but because they hit that secondary zone and had points, their leadership decided to force them to go to the board to gobble up those NCOER/OER bullets. And of course, because it would cause less friction in the long term, they got through and passed the board and so now here they are as a sergeant. They don't think of their place in the army as any different, and most likely they're not reenlisting.
I always sought the next rank for the junior enlisted under me.
Never felt much of a need to be a jerk, I’d just PT the hell out of them until they stopped messing up. I was the fastest guy in the company, it wasn’t hard to just run forever… keep screwing up and we just run more tomorrow.
I can deal with dumb, can’t deal with lazy.
I had an E-5 like that!👿(the main reason I left the Army!)
How many years does it take to get promoted to Private Major of the Army?
About 30 years
Just one article 15.
Command Sergeant Major Specialist. That's my ultimate rank.
my cousins husband retired a CSM in 1999 after 23 years
I hate time wasters or SGMs who never did anything but rose thru the ranks.
Thank you for all the videos just enlisted yesterday. I noticed MEPS is designed to be inefficient to wear you Down so the recruiters can take advantage of you almost didn’t get my bonus.
I’ve got an example of very rare type of Senior NCO - the kind with a Diamond and an Officer with a couple connected silver bars…..The VENDETTA 1SG and the Powerless CO…..
While assigned to 1CD DIVARTY I was a member of the DIVARTY S3 Ops team and reported to an LTC. 2 x MAJ, 4 x CPT’s, and a SGM. Our assigned HHB was for admin purposes only which meant that while the CO and 1SG legally and technically had authority over us they really wielded no power over us. Well…….we paid for it at every formation we were able to attend. While they were “Buddy Buddy” with most people in the company they treated us much more harshly.
If we missed a formation due to our jobs they made darn sure to put it on paper EVERY single time and thankfully those Article 15’s went no where. I think I signed no less than 50 Counseling statements recommending non-judicial punishment over 3 years on the job.
It made life difficult because we couldn’t hang out with other soldiers or NCO’s from the Battery. Ultimately we hung out with the Officers, NCO’s, and Soldiers from DIVARTY HQ.
Never was a NCO. I was an E4 who became squad leader many times. Spent one summer as a squad leader and sometimes platoon sgt. I had quite a few dirtbag NCOs. I always made sure my guys ate first before me. I would stay later then my guys on details also. Had the Bat commander notice this and when all of the squad leaders came back from weeks of training. He smoked them and told the NCOs my style of leading and how that should be the norm. Letting your lower enlisted eat first and be treated right. I paid dearly for that for a few months. I did not care.
Congrats on 100k
I'm a former drill Sergeant and a Sergeant First Class.I'm a nice NCO and let my Soldiers act like adults. It's not until they become a problem dont micromanage them. Otherwise I like to be hands off let the Soldiers surprise me with their creativity. I get on to Jr NCOs not Soldiers.
Can you do a "The different types of officers you might have in the Army"?
I might.
@@christopherchaos Wow! I was NOT expecting a direct reply from you! Let alone less than half a hour after I posted. Besides the obvious, the reason I'm asking is because I'm an army veteran (35F) going to college on the GI Bill and am going back in as an intelligence officer after I get my bachelor's degree.
It's worth mentioning that in the army, I had some those of those sergeants you mentioned above, although the closest I came to a micromanagement sergeant was the specialist in charge of our arms room when it came to vehicle inspection.
In the army, I had one lieutenant who was eccentric (and friendly with me since we were both from Jersey) and I had a captain who was mostly good, but made a few bad judgement calls that really got on my nerves (obviously, I never expressed them to him). I also had a Lieutenant Colonel who LOVED to hear the sound of his own voice and a butterbar who acted they knew everything and sidelined the junior enlisted.
The officer that was a NCO, been there done that.
BUTTT still needs the NCO, to say hey sir, do you remember????
Out of my account that is the winning balance, for all involved.
I came in the army after serving in the navy(4 yrs)came in as an E-4,E-4 in the navy is equal to an E-5 in army,you can give orders,write people up,etc,etc,...first duty station 1st Cav Div-Ft Hood,Tx-HHC-2/8 Cav.Was amazed at how at the way things were run in the army.My sgts were lazy,gutless and pathetic and these were their good points !!! LOL.As an E-4 I was running my platoon,had my 1st Sgt & CO signing off on paper work to help my fellow soldiers,as an E-4 !!! LOL.1st Cav &Ft Hood has a well earned reputation for being 8-up.my 1st Sgt recommended me to be promoted to sgt,I was already doing the work of a platoon sgt !!! LOL.After I left regular army in mid 2001,in 2004 I volunteered to deploy to Iraq 4 times with the Texas National Guard.My first tour was with an infantry unit because I wanted to fight,we did joint ops with the marines,I was at Camp TQ.A marine FOB.I did numerous raids,arrestted/detained numerous insurgents,fire-fights out the wazoo !!! GET-SOME. LOL. Saw fellow soldiers/marines bite the BIG-ONE. SAD.And civilians. SAD TOO.Did 2 deployments back-to back,because I chose to. GO ARMY !!!! LOL. Did 4 tours to Iraq,then did 4yrs as a civilian contracter in Qatar as sercurity forces,wanted to go to Afganistan next,but my mother was deathly sick,so went back home to take care of her.I was the only one who could afford to take off of work to do around the clock health-care of my mother.She got better and is still alive to this day-THANK GOD.Once back in the states,decided to stay.I really wanted Afganistan tho,but my mother comes before ANYTHING !!! SEMPER-FI.
I went back into active duty Army May 2001 after doing 6 years with B trp, 124 Cav TxNG, I went from E-6 to E-5 assigned 1CD 1/7cav Ctrp as a 19D20 first as a Bradley Commander and then the Chain of Command found out after 9/11 that I was also a 13F20 and moved me to HQ plt /supply, I was sent to HHB 1/82 FA May of 2002 as the FiSTeam Chief for C trp 2/8 Cav and before we got the M7 B-FiST, being a gunner and BC for 7 years of and a former JTAC/Colt Chief with a 101st Combat Patch (Shit was like GOLD)! by the time we went to NTC training up for OIF II. 2/8 Cav was not even close to being like it was when you left. We worked with the leaders that were worth saving and got rid of the ones that were dead weight. Moved a lot of the younger guys up the ranks and had a great unit by the time I left. Just letting you know we fixed it! Retired 2012 SFC
An e4 in the navy is not the same as an e5 in the army 😂😂😂🤤
Not all sergeants are NCOs. HOOAH!
Did you hang out in the Ville with the Friendly Sergeant?
3:50 Hang out in the Ville 😆🤣
Can you do a video on the Navy’s Gunners Mate rating?
you can't be serious
Go as Nicky, the Navy guy. This is Army talk , dude!
what about the career Sgt the one that's keep looking towards this next promotion and does what he can to get to the next rank?
That's kinda the NCO creed sergeant.
I want to be a backbone sgt
I was the NCO everyone hoped would be around and on any days I was off, they wished I could be there, I trained anyone regardless if they were my troopers or not! If and when I was seeing a leader making things tough on the Joes, I would come in with a attitude of "work smarter" and give the other leaders alternative ways to get the missions done. My commanders gave me the High Visibility missions when they needed the Bn, BDE or Div to not Looked F**ked up or if a Mission was turning into a soup sandwich It was handed to me to unf**K it. I stayed busy and made my time in service go by to fast... "that's all I have to say about that" in the voice of Forrest Gump LOL
The dictator…good one, my First Sargeant in boot would always single me out no matter where I was he would make me police everywhere if he saw me. He would wake me up in the middle of the night to transcribe his correspondence, he was a classic racist and one of the most bigoted man I ever met. My CO was non existent Top ran the company. We had a black XO he and Top would go at it periodically, and Top was a pretty ignorant mother…yeah I’ve seen all of them.
Does the legend respond?
Hi. Is there such as a thing as a infantry engineer command sargent major. Thanks from Australia
I tend to be pretty relaxed with my soldiers and others, as long as everyone does their thing efficiently that way we can get the fuck out asap.
Christopher Chaos: my boy just graduated basic/ait and joined 70th Armor at Ft. Riley. Was curious as to how an Armor unit deploys to say South Korea. Take everything? Is there equipment that stays overseas and is reused? Planes, trains, or ships?
There are already us forces in Korea so they use the equipment there. Sometimes they will ship out some of their equipment but for Korea they would likely not bring the tanks and instead use the tanks that we have in Korea.
i feel i got super duper fkn lucky w my chain of command. I love every single nco in my company, (except one) not that i hate him but don’t like him.
I was the invisible Specilast...
That's my NCO type, "Just another Joe", lol!
I know some of my privates felt I was the Dictator Sargent.
I had some real dirty bags.
Which honestly was due to the platoon Sargent being a dirt bag.
They followed by example.
Its very disheartening to be an NCO and the NCO over you is a scum bucket.
Meanwhile one Squadleader is the Short timer. I often was unofficially over his squad also.
And the other Squad leader was a ghost NCO. Though most of his squad were also ghost. So it really didn't matter.
I never did understand why there was only three squad leaders in that platoon.
however there was another Sargent in the platoon. And 99% of the three years there. He was TDY or some BS. I know part if it was school. Heck I didn't even know he was in the Platoon for the first 2 years. Never seen him.
Until one of my Specialist told me Sargent Gay was there and was in the platoon. He tried taking my Squad. And I kicked him into the third squad.
I call him Sargent gay because shortly after we were at NTC. And mechanic were working on one of our truck. And required an operator to be there. So I was asleep in the cab. The door opens. I expect it was the mechanic. So said something like, What's up?
before those words are out from my half asleep. His guy is grinding his crouch on my knee.
Which I woke up REAL QUICK.
Oh why was I doing a privates job?
All mine were on the road when we found out about the work order. So I elected to do it. If I had a choose I would have given it to one of mine. Because it was a sham duty.
Anyhow after the incident. ( I was steamed) I talked to one of my soldiers that had been there before me.
#1 I was shocked.
#2 I never should have told her.
Anyhow, she always suspected that he was gay.
When we returned from NTC he changed platoons.
I said something to the platoon Sargent of the matter. But dropped it after. I didn't know if I should beat his ass, or what.
I'd came across other gays in the Army. Though none had done this. They did their thing and I ignored it. the whole don't ask don't tell thing.
Anyhow, I Think i was more of a NCO creed Sargent.
Also you spoke if the micromanage NCO.
I hated when I had to play that part.
You tell your soldiers to do a job. Then later nothing was done. So you are forced to micro manage the job... Its not like I didn't have other things to do.
But again that goes back to the listerbag Platoon Sargent.
Never before did I meet such an ate up company, no lets change that to Ate up battion. Since the lesbo Bn CO was also there.
I've got a question Chris i support the troops and the nation I'm currently a civilian if i wear a grunt style will i be called stolen valor?
No. Plenty of people that are not and were not military wear their shirts.
@@christopherchaos oh thanks
No,
Hello y'all
Or the SGM who has a story about everything and can talk you to sleep. The kind that can BS the spots off of a leopard or the stripes off a zebra.
I guess nowadays they also have the kind a Sargeant who's a dude in drag
The dictator sergeant will never mess with that IDGAF soldier that will always speak their mind. But they will mess with everybody else 😆
The high rank sergeant that thinks he is a general of the army
In a joking way.
FIRST....
chaos was definitely the backbone sgt