I respectfully disagree with the horcrux destruction critiques. It works for me. Seeing it play out immediately reminded me of what was happening plot-wise and there’s something engaging about the juxtaposition of the Hermione and Ron’s love blossoming and Voldemort breaking the protection spell. The deconstruction of the set up, pattern, and pay off helped me see why it works for me.
12:00 ... Honestly, as an editor and filmmaker myself, and someone who thinks Deathly Hallows Part 2 had some of the best action and filmmaking of the series... I have no problem with this edit. In fact, I've always loved it. It's meant to be juxtaposition of the romantic moment with a jarring moment that slams us back into the action. I admit Voldemort's noise is kinda funny, as it usually is, and especially right after whole "NYAAA!" repetition from the trailer, it seems especially comical... But the edit itself is well-done, IMO, and it works in the context of the movie. The jarring-ness of it is the point. We're lulled into a momentary sense of comfort and romance with Ron and Hermione... and then BANG! We're right back into the action of Voldemort reacting to the horcrux being destroyed. I love the silence being broken by the sudden impact of Voldemort and his spell. Great moment of sound design. It's always been a memorable cut for me, in a totally positive way. I don't really get why you'd think it's bad, aside from it being jarring. Jarring cuts aren't bad when it's intentional and used well, and this was totally effective, IMO. The romantic moment with Ron and Hermione kissing is very much intentionally a surprising exceptional moment in the middle of an otherwise intense sequence of action and danger, etc... and this edit highlights that for juxpositional dramatic effect. I'd argue it's actually a positive example of exactly how something like this should be done. I agree with the other examples from Harry Potter, but you guys are dead wrong about that one, IMO.
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Actual projector, or just motivating lighting? Regardless, really clever way of framing up the reaction. Pretty surprised this isn't already a Corridor react segment lol, love that you're trying out this format.
This was a great watch! Love hearing you two discuss techniques of editing and figuring out motivations of cuts. Very well done and would love more like this!
I feel overwhelmed how the algorithm all this time has NOT shown me your channel! With reference to trailers, have you spoken to trailer editors because that too can make or break a film, especially interesting concepts and trends *Inception foghorn* plays ...
I disagree with the idea that Shakey cam was the problem with action movies. Shakey cam is used to amazing effect in movies like The Raid and borne (like you said). the real problem is when you pair it with quick cutting, especially when most of the shots are close ups so the audience never is able to understand the geography of the scene. it makes the action just feel like really high energy but without tension.
Shaky cam can get overly shaky and problematic on its own... but yeah, that Taken scene of him jumping over the fence, it's weird that they introduced it on the premise of shaky cam, because the problem wasn't the shakiness of the camera, it was the over-editing. Two completely different things. The camera was actually pretty stable in the shots themselves.
I think I might have an idea where the weird insert shots of Voldemort came from, and why they may be so overexposed and out of place. If these were a really late addition to the edit (likely from studio notes or test screening), it was probably too difficult/costly to bring in Ralph Fiennes to shoot pickups in full makeup as he was likely on to other projects and they were strapped for time. I'm willing to bet that these were from a marketing photo shoot where they have the actors in full makeup doing various poses for ads, toy packaging, posters, etc. and they just happened to have shot video of it. Since they tend to shoot those things against a grey or white backdrop it would be really fast/easy to composite especially if they were coming down to the wire for release date. The weird sounds were maybe just the noises Fiennes made while shooting those in order to help him get into the poses cause they couldn't get him into a sound booth in time to do ADR.
Here’s another weird cut from a major movie: I remember watching Captain America: The First Avenger in theaters, and around an hour 38 minutes into the film there’s a cut that was so jarring it completely took me out of the movie. Cap is swinging on a chain, and when they cut he’s already running on the ground. In theory the cut should work, ‘cause he leaves frame in the shot leading into the cut, but in practice it still feels very weird. The cut was jarring enough that I still remember it today, lol.
You stick with the "Voldy noises" instead of the important "bad editing"part like where in each scene or "cut" people have different clothes, hairstyles, switching sides. :D
I think the problem with the second Harry Potter clip is that it looks like Voldemort is reacting to Ron and Hermione kissing instead of him reacting to the horocrux and I think if they showed his last reaction before they showed the kissing, it would have been a better juxtaposition of what is happening on both sides of the story
dude!! you have voiced every single editing problem I've had with harry potter!! when people say that the fifth film is their favourite i'm like huh?? the one with the hilariously bad green screen shot of voldemort??
Ah the "RESIDENT EVIL: THE FINAL CHAPTER" comes to mind when bad ediding is discussed.. the whole movie is just a dissaster of an edit... they go fast at roughly 1 cut per second for pretty much most of the movie xD
You should do a podcast on AI it’s not because I’m interested in using it but more because as someone whose sole goal is to make RUclips videos will AI takeover how powerful is it I feel AI hasn’t been really shown to us at its current potential.
Wow, watching you break down those edits was both hilarious and insightful! It's like peeking behind the curtain of movie magic, but instead finding some pretty wild bloopers. Thanks for the laughs and the behind-the-scenes look! 🤣👏
Very helpful..... I'm tempted to say I owe you a ton for the knowledge...but should people stumble upon my disasterpieces they could fault you............ So I leave it at " Great video! tHanks "
Notice the very smooth edges of Voldemort's matte, plus the dark outlines in his motion blur and above his ears. It looks like an 11th-hour roto job, probably using an outtake from another sequence.
one of the best action sequences ever put to film? you mean the two guys standing in front of a green screen waving wands at each other while the cgi team took care of the rest? ok then bud
I love this format of roasting bad edits on Hollywood movies. Watching your reactions is priceless.
18:24 I legit thought the cut to the musicbed ad was one of the bad cuts to show XD
I respectfully disagree with the horcrux destruction critiques. It works for me. Seeing it play out immediately reminded me of what was happening plot-wise and there’s something engaging about the juxtaposition of the Hermione and Ron’s love blossoming and Voldemort breaking the protection spell. The deconstruction of the set up, pattern, and pay off helped me see why it works for me.
Totally agree. I just left my own comment about how wrong they are on that one.
12:00 ... Honestly, as an editor and filmmaker myself, and someone who thinks Deathly Hallows Part 2 had some of the best action and filmmaking of the series... I have no problem with this edit. In fact, I've always loved it. It's meant to be juxtaposition of the romantic moment with a jarring moment that slams us back into the action. I admit Voldemort's noise is kinda funny, as it usually is, and especially right after whole "NYAAA!" repetition from the trailer, it seems especially comical... But the edit itself is well-done, IMO, and it works in the context of the movie.
The jarring-ness of it is the point. We're lulled into a momentary sense of comfort and romance with Ron and Hermione... and then BANG! We're right back into the action of Voldemort reacting to the horcrux being destroyed. I love the silence being broken by the sudden impact of Voldemort and his spell. Great moment of sound design. It's always been a memorable cut for me, in a totally positive way. I don't really get why you'd think it's bad, aside from it being jarring. Jarring cuts aren't bad when it's intentional and used well, and this was totally effective, IMO. The romantic moment with Ron and Hermione kissing is very much intentionally a surprising exceptional moment in the middle of an otherwise intense sequence of action and danger, etc... and this edit highlights that for juxpositional dramatic effect. I'd argue it's actually a positive example of exactly how something like this should be done.
I agree with the other examples from Harry Potter, but you guys are dead wrong about that one, IMO.
How did that glass not fall off the chair?
my thoughts exactly
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Continuity.
You "The Room"ed yourself with that J cut at 16:13
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Just wait for the critique of "The Cube", "Cube 2: Hypercube", and "Cube Zero"
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We had to cut out half of the video to optimise it for the algorithm, and we hate doing that.
If you want the full version, which has an extra 30 minutes of us reacting to the worst edits, you can get it here
So good. You should keep this up. Even like a “editors react to bad and good cuts” like corridor where you could bring editor guests on!
No one, Voldemort- AHHHHHH
Actual projector, or just motivating lighting? Regardless, really clever way of framing up the reaction.
Pretty surprised this isn't already a Corridor react segment lol, love that you're trying out this format.
Real projector!
@@EditingPodcast I dig it! A lot nicer than putting the back of a TV / laptop in the shot.
This was a great watch! Love hearing you two discuss techniques of editing and figuring out motivations of cuts. Very well done and would love more like this!
I hate going back to my uni projects too (or even worse, pre university)
I feel overwhelmed how the algorithm all this time has NOT shown me your channel! With reference to trailers, have you spoken to trailer editors because that too can make or break a film, especially interesting concepts and trends *Inception foghorn* plays ...
this is awesome! We need PART 2
Fun format, would definitely watch again! Thanks gents.
I disagree with the idea that Shakey cam was the problem with action movies. Shakey cam is used to amazing effect in movies like The Raid and borne (like you said). the real problem is when you pair it with quick cutting, especially when most of the shots are close ups so the audience never is able to understand the geography of the scene. it makes the action just feel like really high energy but without tension.
Shaky cam can get overly shaky and problematic on its own... but yeah, that Taken scene of him jumping over the fence, it's weird that they introduced it on the premise of shaky cam, because the problem wasn't the shakiness of the camera, it was the over-editing. Two completely different things. The camera was actually pretty stable in the shots themselves.
I love that the director of Taken 3, Olivier Megaton, on his IMDB trademark section it says "Intentionally disorienting camerawork and editing."
Love this style of video! :D
Whenever Hayden does an ad read... it kind of sounds like he's about to say "Ask your doctor before trying Riverside"
21:08 That wasn't that bad of a cut. Maybe my bar is low as a regular consumer, but really nothing to be ashamed over as an editor.
I think I might have an idea where the weird insert shots of Voldemort came from, and why they may be so overexposed and out of place. If these were a really late addition to the edit (likely from studio notes or test screening), it was probably too difficult/costly to bring in Ralph Fiennes to shoot pickups in full makeup as he was likely on to other projects and they were strapped for time. I'm willing to bet that these were from a marketing photo shoot where they have the actors in full makeup doing various poses for ads, toy packaging, posters, etc. and they just happened to have shot video of it. Since they tend to shoot those things against a grey or white backdrop it would be really fast/easy to composite especially if they were coming down to the wire for release date. The weird sounds were maybe just the noises Fiennes made while shooting those in order to help him get into the poses cause they couldn't get him into a sound booth in time to do ADR.
i always watch the ads on this channel because I need more!! loving all the content fellas as always :))
AMAZING IDEA, there should be more of this, thanks a lot for your work
That Voldemort scream is definitely the new Wilhelm scream.
I’ll be doing the Voldemort scream for the rest of the month at least
More please more podcasts like this! :)
Great episode! Those Voldemort cuts were hilarious
you say the bourne franchise did shaky cam well but theres a fight scene in the first film which is incomprehensible
Do more of this. I love this content. Plus, it's probably easy to do a wholeeee bunch of eps. Like VFX artists react.
At the moment Jordan said "Thunder is happening" I got spooked by a real life lightning flash. Please, Hillier, put that wand down...
Hayden wearing a green jacket during Masters week was not expected
Here’s another weird cut from a major movie: I remember watching Captain America: The First Avenger in theaters, and around an hour 38 minutes into the film there’s a cut that was so jarring it completely took me out of the movie. Cap is swinging on a chain, and when they cut he’s already running on the ground. In theory the cut should work, ‘cause he leaves frame in the shot leading into the cut, but in practice it still feels very weird. The cut was jarring enough that I still remember it today, lol.
I just watched that and oooooff yeah it’s jarring
Nothing from the Academy Award winning editing of Bohemian Rhapsody?
You stick with the "Voldy noises" instead of the important "bad editing"part like where in each scene or "cut" people have different clothes, hairstyles, switching sides. :D
12:04 this looks like Voldemort is using a kamehameha to stop Vegeta from blowing up the earth.
Yes, finaly people who agree with me. That Voldemort insert DID look like an 80's videoclip! It was so weird and out of place. XD
17:11 Hayden. You definitely cast a spell! 🧙♂
5:45 the audio sounds like it was from some mobile game ad 💀
You could make this a "Best and Worst Edits" series similar to corridor crew's VFX show
I think the problem with the second Harry Potter clip is that it looks like Voldemort is reacting to Ron and Hermione kissing instead of him reacting to the horocrux and I think if they showed his last reaction before they showed the kissing, it would have been a better juxtaposition of what is happening on both sides of the story
I actually already watched mr beast hide and seek. And i never thought ai voice would be there
I want to know where you got that premiere pro pin
dude!! you have voiced every single editing problem I've had with harry potter!! when people say that the fifth film is their favourite i'm like huh?? the one with the hilariously bad green screen shot of voldemort??
I mean a half second bad image of Voldemort does not ruin a movie that has 2 and a half hours of other stuff
@@AmazingJoe96 oh that's not my only issue with the fifth movie lol
i cant get over the voldemort scream lol
I really enjoyed viewing this video ❤
Who else is barely surprised Hayden has a wand & less surprised he can use it?
petition for every youtuber to replace the wilhelm scream with voldemort in their edits
Grabbed some popcorn ...Waiting for Jimmy to comment on that one :D
Second harry potter clip, ron and hermione change places in the next cut lol
More content llike this... So much fun
21:59 Adidas product placement
Ah the "RESIDENT EVIL: THE FINAL CHAPTER" comes to mind when bad ediding is discussed.. the whole movie is just a dissaster of an edit... they go fast at roughly 1 cut per second for pretty much most of the movie xD
Voldemort has the new Wilhelm scream
new lore - Hillier can command thunder -
This was great fun, thanks guys!
yo Jordan's music video cuts were actually not bad
You should do a podcast on AI it’s not because I’m interested in using it but more because as someone whose sole goal is to make RUclips videos will AI takeover how powerful is it I feel AI hasn’t been really shown to us at its current potential.
11:48 hermione starts on the right but is on the left for the kiss, wtf
Wow, watching you break down those edits was both hilarious and insightful! It's like peeking behind the curtain of movie magic, but instead finding some pretty wild bloopers. Thanks for the laughs and the behind-the-scenes look! 🤣👏
You have ruined harry potter for me 😂😂😂
nnNYYYAAAAAHHHH
I love that you guys drink bourbon during these reviews, that's what I do with my podcast guests!
She didn't immidiatelly
* pulls out wand* naaaaaaahhhhh
Ron and Hermoine also switched sides xD
Very helpful.....
I'm tempted to say I owe you a ton for the knowledge...but
should people stumble upon my disasterpieces they could fault you............ So I leave it at " Great video! tHanks "
Don't forget the goofy freeze frame at the end of Prisoner of Azkaban
The A.I genuinely isn't that noticeable
Notice the very smooth edges of Voldemort's matte, plus the dark outlines in his motion blur and above his ears. It looks like an 11th-hour roto job, probably using an outtake from another sequence.
don't drink and record
I have watched harry Potter series many many of times now i realized these flaws in edit. Especially the one Voldemort scream 😂😂😂
I have no problem with Voldemort yelling
one of the best action sequences ever put to film? you mean the two guys standing in front of a green screen waving wands at each other while the cgi team took care of the rest? ok then bud
day 2 of asking for a Finzar interview