I still hold to the belief that because the acetate cover was not authorized by Marvel and added after publication that it is a violation of Marvel's copyrights and therefore should be rejected for grading. No Blue, Green or any other color label should be given to it. The only thing that CGC should consider with this book going forward in my not so humble opinion is encapsulation, and to be totally honest they would probably be better served to simple say no and wash their hands of the book completely.
The part of CGC's last announcement I'm having the most difficulty with is "The grade assigned will take into consideration the grade of the acetate cover as well as the interior book." Since when has CGC only been grading the cover of the book and not the interior? That part of the statement is the biggest black eye to CGC's reputation.
This whole thing has been weird. CGC has a pretty good reputation overall and for them to risk that reputation is crazy! CGC can only exist and function if they are seen as pillars of integrity. They need to remain conservative.
@@hobbyhero6973 to me there’s really only two possibilities CGC had incompetent people taking care of the grading of those books that weren’t trained properly. Or money exchanged hands once I saw the video rant that the owner did of his own accord I don’t put it past him to grease some wheels to get some thing done
This sounds like the logical way to handle these books, although your point they probably shouldn’t grade them at all is legit as well. In any event, they took way too long to get it right.
Still wrong. They should have graded it just like any other book - blue universal as it sits, deducting for extra holes and extra pieces, or green qualified. Or better yet, refused to grade them in the first place. That they graded the fake acetate cover is a joke.
CGC does not get kudos from me!!! It took them 3 tries to finally say they were wrong when we all knew they were. A person I work with could take 3 tries and no harm no foul, but a company that aims for profit and FINALLY decides they are going to lose money so announce, not except, they were wrong is BS.
It’s hard to say for certain what possessed them to make such a choice in the beginning. They certainly aren’t coming out ahead on these decisions though
@@hobbyhero6973 true, and you hit it on the head, what is going to happen to these already GRADED BLUE LABEL books that are out being sold. It's going to inflate the prices of these comics because they have just become more rare. I hope it doesn't happen, but...
I’m glad I never fell for the CGC nonsense!!! I’m not opposed to a graded book, for my PC I’m going to submit some of my modern favorite covers to EGS because I like the color coordinated labels.
Yeah, I think third party grading is super helpful in the hobby. CGC is the company people currently have the most faith in which is why I submit there but I almost never buy grades books myself
Did the finally get it right?
I still hold to the belief that because the acetate cover was not authorized by Marvel and added after publication that it is a violation of Marvel's copyrights and therefore should be rejected for grading. No Blue, Green or any other color label should be given to it. The only thing that CGC should consider with this book going forward in my not so humble opinion is encapsulation, and to be totally honest they would probably be better served to simple say no and wash their hands of the book completely.
I agree. However a green label with a book worth of notes on it and low grades is the next best thing
The part of CGC's last announcement I'm having the most difficulty with is "The grade assigned will take into consideration the grade of the acetate cover as well as the interior book." Since when has CGC only been grading the cover of the book and not the interior? That part of the statement is the biggest black eye to CGC's reputation.
I read it as they would grade it as a cover and not as an interior page since there are different criteria for defects on covers.
CGC sold their soul to Blackflag and now they are scared daddy Marvel will punish them!!
Lol, will be interested to see how many end up getting graded after this
I saw the CGC 9.9 blue label they were selling at their booth
It look like a 9.9?
This whole thing has been weird. CGC has a pretty good reputation overall and for them to risk that reputation is crazy! CGC can only exist and function if they are seen as pillars of integrity. They need to remain conservative.
Absolutely which is what made their initial decisions so crazy IMO
Thanks for the update.
With CGC could be another one lol
Everyone bends the knee to marvel/Disney even CGC . Once Marvel released the public statement the lawyers were already talking to all parties involved
Yeah just can’t imagine CGC didn’t already know all the details
@@hobbyhero6973 to me there’s really only two possibilities CGC had incompetent people taking care of the grading of those books that weren’t trained properly. Or money exchanged hands once I saw the video rant that the owner did of his own accord I don’t put it past him to grease some wheels to get some thing done
@@sinfullygoodcomics8167 my vote is a bit of both
This sounds like the logical way to handle these books, although your point they probably shouldn’t grade them at all is legit as well. In any event, they took way too long to get it right.
Yeah the delay has honestly created a worse situation now
Still wrong. They should have graded it just like any other book - blue universal as it sits, deducting for extra holes and extra pieces, or green qualified. Or better yet, refused to grade them in the first place. That they graded the fake acetate cover is a joke.
They should have but didn’t unfortunately
i hope some folks got fired at CGC over this one. Maybe PGX is hiring....
People making these decisions probably too high up
CGC does not get kudos from me!!! It took them 3 tries to finally say they were wrong when we all knew they were. A person I work with could take 3 tries and no harm no foul, but a company that aims for profit and FINALLY decides they are going to lose money so announce, not except, they were wrong is BS.
It’s hard to say for certain what possessed them to make such a choice in the beginning. They certainly aren’t coming out ahead on these decisions though
@@hobbyhero6973 true, and you hit it on the head, what is going to happen to these already GRADED BLUE LABEL books that are out being sold. It's going to inflate the prices of these comics because they have just become more rare. I hope it doesn't happen, but...
@@RexxCollects yeah you hate to see it but it will ultimately increase their demand
I’m glad I never fell for the CGC nonsense!!! I’m not opposed to a graded book, for my PC I’m going to submit some of my modern favorite covers to EGS because I like the color coordinated labels.
Yeah, I think third party grading is super helpful in the hobby. CGC is the company people currently have the most faith in which is why I submit there but I almost never buy grades books myself
@@hobbyhero6973 I get that but I'm not buying a 10k book that's raw. I feel my grading skills are decent but detecting microtrimming is beyond me
@@locutus99 beyond them sometimes too lol
@@locutus99 honestly at that price range buying raw doesn’t usually save you anything anyways
@@hobbyhero6973 also full disclosure not like I buy a lot of those books hahahaha
Where does this put Black flag comics? Will they be catching heat for this from Marvel?
I would say as long as they stopped they will be fine
@@hobbyhero6973 hope so. This put a foul taste in my mouth but I've liked their collaborations with Clayton Crain up to this point.
@@quentinhxc1 yeah Crain has put out some sick exclusives
I have no faith or trust in CGC. And i’m not sure about the other grading companies. Limbo…
This situation definitely didn’t win them any business
How long before they change it again? Anyone wanna bet?
I would be surprised if they change it again unless forced to by Marvel
So those universal acetates that have made it out will now be highly sought after since most will be given a qualified label going forward.
It would stand to reason that they will be the most desired as they will be Blue Label and highest grade
@@hobbyhero6973 agreed
for a garbage worthless book