Fantastic review, your insights are greatly appreciated. The welded subframe is the largest and least spoken of issue that you raised. I was willing to look over every other quirk, but I lay over my bike alllll the time trail riding and fear a break if I were to ride gnarly terrain. I thank you again for that. Also, I never knew how attractive I found an accent until now. Learn something new every day.
Basically, if you are laying your bike over all of the time, you are clearly on the wrong bike. Dirt bikes are designed a little more specifically to hit the dirt.....a T7 at 200kg plus, well, try no crashing...it will solve all your problems. Like pregnancy, it only takes one crash to break your back, or foot...so changing your idea about crashing (being part of the adventure), will no doubt help....
@greyfisher3897 I think I have a tough time reconciling the differences between the enduro I ride on my ktm 300 and what type of trails I'll be on the t7 with. Of course never crashing is ideal, but to not plan for it isn't in my nature.
If you wanna blame someone blame Pol Tarres 😂. IMO the bike is great when you’re using the bike just for a normal trail ride or regular tarmac ride, good balance budget/expectations. The big problem is when you want to take the bike further of their OEM capabilities. You’re a good rider, you can wheelie, jump the bike, getting your self into hard/advance trails, so you’re capable to find its downsides. For the AVG riders in general, the bike can accomplish the task. I remember the first time that I took the bike on a twisty road, the CP2 engine was super fun, without being a super fast bike. After a year of riding on the bike I decided to gain more off-road experience, there is when I started to noticed all the problems that you’ve mentioned. But to be fair AVG riders like me cannot push the bike that far. Still a super fun bike 😂. Thanks for the video Kate 🎉
If I see him one day, trust me, I will blame him soooooo cruel to make me buy this awesome and wonderful motorbike with his magical performance in Seeker 1 video. :D All true what you explain, at least this is my opinion as well. Yamaha rarely creates the most advanced bike in the off-road world, but it's always one of the most lovable and loyal companion on long terms. And it's a badass, no doubt. 😁
I think taking anything bigger than a 500-excf on serious off-road is pretty silly. I think a lot of riders expect too much out of huge adv bikes thinking the bike can handle it when it just can’t. Honda realized this with their adventure sports and put a 19” front wheel on it. I think this bike is meant for simple gravel roads, simple water crossings just to get back on road. Even though the professionals show that it can do amazing things doesn’t mean that they didn’t mod the absolute fuck out of it before hand. They’re probably given a new one when they break one too. My entire test ride on the T7 was on a 160 mile dirt loop and the entire time it performed flawlessly. There were parts of the loop that I wish I was on a dirtbike. But it was great. I think the real answer here is to buy a bike for each type of riding you want to do even though the T7 bridges a lot of gaps. Great video, thanks for your insight!
Thank you, I am happy you liked my little video! ✋🙂 I think you are right, a simple 500 - 600cc single cylinder motorbike focused only on functionality is the optimal for serious off-road adventures. Shame no Japanese manufacturer creates such a bike anymore. 😭
It was originally designed and developed in France. At MBK Industrie .So that is where they were when it had its plastic and subframe styled and made originally. Back with the xt660 and now the XSR700, Ténéré 700
Thank you for the info, I knew it was designed in France but didn't know which company. Also heard some Italian co-working happened, but not sure about that. That explains the hectic plastic issue for sure. 😅
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There is no perfect motorcycle. It is the rider who makes it perfect. The T7 is also a very reliable motorcycle. That is why it is the best-selling model in its class.
Thank you for your honest review. I agree that the brakes on T7 are shockingly bad. I almost ran into the back of a vehicle when I picked it up. Shock is shockingly soft. Luckily I enjoy modding my bike as that is part of the experience of ownership. The engine is the best. You spot on with all your observations according to me. The bike has character, simplicity and sounds awesome with a pipe. It's like my old KLR on steroids.
Just like that, but she is still loveable with all of her flaws. 😍 Upgrade and customize with so many third party possibilities is just another fun adventure.
well done, i am an owner. Everybody talks about the pros and not about the cons.First honest video. good bike but needs staff to approach the potential.
Excellent video and useful info. Thanks for taking the time and effort. All issues aside, I believe that Yamaha provided the base, the core foundation in terms of engine (amazing) configuration and simplicity at a realistic price. What you do with it is up to you.
To be honest I didn't know the subframe was not bolt on. Big surprise and no fun. Makes me less drooling about the T7(WR actually) and I'm super happy with my V-Strom so far so...Nice video, straight to the point addressing real issues without BS. Congrats!
Thank you so much, I am happy you liked my little video! ✋🙂 Yeah... maybe I overreacted the non-bolt on subframe a little, but it's really annoying IF you have issues with it, and you can not simple fix it with a replace. And wow, yes, V-Strom is a cool bike, one of the most fun bike from Suzuki ever. ✌😀
@@braapt7 You didn't overreact at all. It's a true issue and I'm still surprised. V-Strom is literally unbreakable. Every single road trip on my channel is made riding it, completely trouble free. 160.000km with the engine absolutely untouched and the whole electric system totally original. Not even a light bulb changed!
Wow, that's a lot of kilometers. I always heard that V-Strom is reliable, but I just wow how much. Congratulations, and have a nice and safe adventures with her!
The lack of rider modes was the selling point for me. I want a bike that is as simple as possible that way there are less things that can go wrong. I put the Acerbis 6.1 gallon tank on her and it really helped with the center of gravity believe it or not. The plastics do suck but Camel ADV makes some great ones that bolt right on. This is the best bike on the market for my needs. I'm really glad I bought it. But all the things you mentioned definitely are problems that need to be addressed.
Same experiences here. The Acerbis tank really did help with the center of gravity? The OEM tank is that much heavier? wow... that would be a great upgrade in this case. 😮 Thank you to let me know!
So, putting a bigger tank on,helps with center of gravity. A wider tank, being heavier holding more fuel, is a better set up. "believe it or not" Maybe you can say how that works?...I rode a T7 stock and its top heavy from the get go. The tank sticks way up.
@@bradsanders6954 Maybe not filling up the bigger tank fully? Or the plastic is so much lighter than the OEM steel one? No clue... or just yanking. 🤷♀
@@bradsanders6954 Yeah, the bigger tank is plastic so you are saving weight right away compared to the metal OEM tank. Plus it carries the fuel lower on the bike so it seems to have changed the COG to me. Especially if you only put a stock amount in it, i.e. 4 gallons. It's actually lower on the bike than the stock tank. They said that even with a full tank in the Acerbis tank you only add 7 pounds to the bike.
👌👌👌👌Finally someone is telling the real true about this bike which i think is very expensive for what it is......my friend bought Kove 800 which is simillar bike but better in everything,,especially weight...
@@arch126 Is there any particular problem with it, or a sense because it's a KTM copy? :D (Btw. I heard some Kove 450 on the Rally Delle Marche in Italy, and they have horrible sound compared to Japanese motorbikes. )
Thank you, I am happy you liked my video! ✋🙂 Nope, I was too lazy to model it myself - although 3D modelling is part of my job... ehhehe. 😅 I downloaded before I bought the bike, because I wanted to see under the skirt.
On the suspension note, 43mm forks are no good for serious off road riding the will simply collapse on big jump with enough speed. That’s why it’s essential to fit 48mm forks if you do serious off road rider. So add more budget for that 😉
True that! The more serious you ride, more upgrade you need. I ride serious"ish" I guess. 😅 But indeed, if I'd ride this bike on motocross tracks frequently - which I wouldn't - I'd buy those forks for sure with the extra strong yokes, etc.
This bike is really not expensive and what you get is actually a lot, very good and reliable engine and not that bad at all KYB suspension. Rest is build to the budget but relatively easy to improve. As we see during races Tenere is very capable off-road So don't whine, ride more :)
Totally agree, and yes, sir! I am picking up my gear and go out to ride in the beautiful autumn sun on the gravel roads of Italy right now. Video about that comes later! 😁✌🙂
Because I love it! :) With all flaws and odds, there is no better on the market right now for my needs. Check this one: ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html
Gee Whiz, I have my T7 for three years, and I haven't dropped it once.....hmmmmm. And I am championed enduro rider in my youth. So...what is with all this nonsense about crashing being "part of the adventure". Don't forget...crashing not only damages a bike...any bike.....it can make you a cripple...even just that one time, don't forget that newbies..... I actually do get a kick out of the T7 riders who bought the bike with completely false expectations. I have no complaints, its a state of the art...modifiable (weldable) bike to suit your needs....If you want to race one, or ride one hard....you need to change the basic design...that has been the case since I have been riding in the 70's. Maybe You Tube and Torres fooled everybody.... Ya the weight is in the engine, and the engine mounted higher than most, because it wasn't designed specifically for this type of design (higher ground clearance). That is called a trade off. In order for Yamaha France to get this bike made by Yamaha Japan, they had to use an already in production engine. Yamaha has done this a few times. I had a 1986 FZ600, it had 600cc engine stuffed into an FZ 400 frame. Price point is low, very modifiable. The real picture here is the fact that sooner or later the Yamaha Japan will design a "new" engine, and it will sit lower in the frame...simple as pie. We all have to keep in mind that this bike pretty much started a wave in the market....by design, and by Yamaha France....which is not the same as Yamaha Japan. This bike is a result, and most certainly not the final result of the concept. All this nonsense about high center of gravity, just an excuse if you ask me people use who drop it a lot. Once you factor in the weight distribution of this bike into your riding inputs...and focus on those physical traits...they go away magically. I have noticed how ARiemann1 has not mentioned anything about center of gravity on his "testing". He only mentions how well balanced it is. Its a big girl.....not a entry level bike...takes skill to ride this big bike..and not crash it so often, enough to have to bend your exhaust mount back several times....After a few bends you should be asking yourself...did I buy the right bike?
Congratulation for your excellent riding technic that you never dropped the bike... just wow, you must be a hot shot for sure. Maybe you should make videos about safe riding technic for the ones, who can't ride that safe! You are right about the bike, it's a patchwork, no doubt about that. However... these problems I point at, they are flaws in the engineering. The original designers should have know about this, since even in the original teasers the bike was used on motocross tracks. (Before Pol Tarres videos) Why I am sure that I am right about this? Because Yamaha already fixed two of these issues in the new model: brand new suspension and fixed plastic ergonomics. (check how much less panels used on the 2025 model) This could have been done already from the start. Or even better, next time they should ask me about it, I will tell them sooner! 😉😀 And ARiemann1 talks a lot, but he is super sensitive and doesn't like to confront with others, so he says nice things, this way everybody loves him. Especially the sponsors. =) (btw. the bike is balanced nicely, it can be done even with high center of gravity)
And that`s why I own a KTM500 EXC for proper offroad adventure and I ride my T7 on mild adventures. Frankly , the T7 is rubbish off road. After years of riding enduro bikes the T7 was a fat , top heavy , under sprung pig offroad but bloody great on flowing gravel roads and easy twin track.
I don't think any ADV bike is great offroad, it's part of the compromise, I'm happy it meets the design brief to be able to travel long distance to get to rough tracks carrying a lot of gear ,something I wouldn't want to do on a KTM500. ADV's have a tough brief, trying to cover so many different riding needs in one package.
I agree with you in this, and also agree with @silverdale3207 . The T7 is a real adventure bike, and if you are a good and strong and tall rider, you are able to ride with it enduro style as well. Enduro bikes are super fun and easy to handle on a nice ride in the forest, but if you travel too far, you can either run out of fuel pretty fast, or at the end of the day struggle to ride home after sunset on the highway. 😅 Compromises... compromises everywhere... 😀
Totally agree with you on this, I own a CFMOTO 450MT but I hate bringing in on hardcore off-road terrain. I really wonder why and how GS riders justify bringing their bikes offroad when something like a GS1250 ADV is literally an elephant with wheels.
I am 172cm tall, and sitting on the T7 (in street shoes) I can barely able to reach the ground with both of my toes. In stiff motocross boots I can't. Only when sliding to one side, then I can touch the ground with the whole sole. I got off-road tires on the bike and I ride with optimal sag, stiff settings for jumps and faster off-road ride.
Any bike will slide out in the rear if you give it gas and dont position your body properly or get caught of guard like Pol tarres. T7s are awesome just not for your entry into adventure bikes. Have realistic expectations, 90% rider 10% the bike.❤
T7s are awesome, and I think there is no better alternative on the market right now for serious off road capable twin cylinder bike, no question about this. However, the high positioned weight causes a faster slide out - need much more counterbalance - and if this slide out got at some point, even a strong and heavy rider can not keep the bike balanced, as he or she would be able if this weight would be positioned lower. And yes. Rider skills and height/weight ratio compared to the bike are more important than the bike itself. 😅
@@braapt7 Are you being paid to push this bike? It seems most youtubers get kickbacks to say "there is no better alternative than this bike for serious off road capable" then you list everything wrong with the thing for off road. Adam Reimann gets free Yamahas and pretty well has the long drawn out ad segments covered for Yamaha and the T7. Many riders buy a T7, ride it a little, its too slow for road use. Its cheaply built, its top heavy. It needs 5K spent at minimum to make it better. They sell it and buy a KTM. They want performance not a budget build.
Unfortunately I am not payed for that, but I wouldn't mind. Do you know someone who would? Anyway, I still prefer to ride my "weak" Yamaha, I think the KTM might be too powerful for my needs. Also I prefer to customize my bike with that extra money instead of just using what they already built in without knowing my needs. Also I prefer spartan electronics. Does KTM have as simple electronics as the T7 casio version?
@@braapt7 The electronics on the 890, are one of the best features of the bike. I didnt think I would say that, but they are faultless..and really work great...to say a T7 is better due to not having them, you get what you get when you buy economy....A T7 makes good power on dirt, on road? On a dyno they show about 65HP......meaning its a slow bike. Your video comes off like an ad is the only reason I thought you were sponsored. "Its the one and only best bike ever" except for all these problems built in.
There is no better bike , to make your own, one of a kind bike! Put 5k € on options ( like me)🤑 and you never want anything else! Trust me ! Tried many
I totally agree with you, this is why I have this bike and not any other on the market. I put already extra 2,5k Euro in to, and I think I'll keep adding the rest 2,5k as well. Awesome multitalented bike!
BraapT7 you are very knowledgeable, BUT: Mr Yamaha that designed, built AND delivered this bike to dealers for what??? $5000 For the THOUSANDS of dollars that you spent on the T7: how much lighter, stronger, faster, and economical did you make it? 10%, 50%? The quality/price/performance/reliability/economy of the T7 AMAZES me in comparison to all the other bikes on the market. Welding the sub frame is so much cheaper/lighter than having bolt-on components UNLESS one plans on crashing frequently. Look at the cost of Yamaha components, they are SO much cheaper than what I spent on my German/Austrian bikes, and are excellent quality.
Price of the T7 in the US is 10700 so where does your 5000 come from? Besides that, my girlfriend dropped her T7 on a parking (standing stil) and it ripped the hanger of the exhaust off, had to have it welded on again. I recognize all the issues, some not a big deal for my girlfriend (she weighs 55 kg so the brakes are fine for her).
Yes, this is all true, this is exactly the reason why I have this motorbike, and why I will keep it for a long - long time. Probably until the end of my days on earth. My criticism is aimed at the parts and attitudes of the motorbike what could have been fixed already at the creation. If you intend to use it as ordinary bike, it's all right there is no problem at all. But if you use it as the brand suggests: a serious off road capable machine, you definitely expecting a lot of crashes and backflips. And if you do so, durable plastics, capable suspension (this they already fixed at the Tenere 700 Extreme) and a removable rear part is a must IMHO. More firm brakes also. And yes, I am talking from a lot of experience. 🙄😁😅
I agree about everything but especially about the brakes and chassis, they are a big problem. But I still remain in love with my T7. Would you rather have problems with the camshaft or have to screw the whole bike back together every half hour!?! 😂😂 But... You are in italy again??
Yes, totally agree. I rather keep struggling to ride the big heavy bike instead of struggling to repair the KTM in the shed. 🙄😀 And yes, I am back! Viva Italia! 😃
@@braapt7 Funny. T7 riders crow about how wonderful this price point bike is. Meanwhile an 890 outperforms it in every way, my 890R has been totally reliable in 21,000 miles, many of them are that way. 100HP is a good thing. Between 1 and 2% of 790's have the cam problem, the internet has gone on a rampage saying ALL KTM's break. Now every internet poster pushes the same thing. People LOVE to spread bad news even if its fake.
@@bradsanders6954 Now you convinced me, the KTM is too powerful for me. I couldn't handle that much power on slippery rocks on single tracks, I am sure of that.
True that, however, I think the T7 with the Tractive suspension is superior to the KTM 890 adv if you see the whole picture. Yeah, this is subjective, but it's based on objective facts. :) The KTM 890 R might be better - if you doesn't mind to change the camshaft (and other things) time to time, while running the T7 is common for 300000km without any big issues. But also the price of the 890R is still above the T7 + pro suspension upgrade. Also don't forget - and this is REALLY subjective - I am an old school rider who got heebie-jeebies if a computer want to override my control over the bike.
@ Iam old as well the off road abs and traction controll I really like on the 890 , internet haters have blown cam issues out of controll , it’s a small number and ktm have now said they will fix even out of warranty . Being short the height and top heaviness of the yam is the one thing I can’t modify . Prices probably vary in different countries , but i priced up new yam next to new 890 and they are almost the same but basic ktm still had more spec and cheaper to decat and sort silencer 890r is a couple thousand more but spending same money on t7 I still couldn’t bring it close to the level of the ktm R I liked the yam for all its simplicity and reliability ,but as an all rounder for road touring as well and carrying a passenger it has more to offer me
@@ianparkes2538 If you like the additional features of a modern bike, then KTM is really the way for you. I just trust myself more then a computer, that's all. And yes, top heavy can not be fixed without rebuilding the bike and putting the tank under the seat. Fortunately the new EICMA offers new solutions, I keep my eyes on them, so never know... maybe you will see me in my next video on the new Suzuki or Kove... 😅
The issues the T7 has? Are there for good. Its top heavy and needs to be more top heavy to have enough fuel on board. Yamaha builds bikes to a price point, to make the T7 more serious there is almost no area not to be fixing. The power, just isnt there. ADV bikes go on road and the bike doesnt quite have it. The internet is scaring people about KTM's night and day. Mine are totally reliable and are seriously fun bikes.
I am sure the T7 would be much less top heavy if the Yamaha would have put the petrol under the seat, like many other manufacturers find this solution adequate. And the power is right enough for an old lady rider like me. 😊 And congratulations for your issue free KTMs, I am sure many fellow riders envy you! ✋🙂
@@braapt7 As noted, maybe 2% of 790's have had the cam problem, to an internet addict all KTM's are a problem. They blow the issue up as big as they can, like you are also. RUclipsrs in particular are determined to kill KTM. Its all free speech.
Five things for the misses. 1 you buy the wrong bike for your height. You are just to short for the bike. 2 it’s not an enduro bike as you call it. 3 you are not strong enough and you don’t know how to pick up the bike. 4 it is an adventure bike with a 21 inch and 18 in the back. The swingarm is the best in class of his length you just can not handle the bike. 5 the springs are to soft not the suspension. It will cost you just a bit to change it. T7 is made for 70 kilo person. 😅. Don’t forget that Yamaha did not build the bike to go hardcore offroad it’s just to heavy for 95% of the people. Why do people think they are Pol Tarres. 😅. Your opinion about the bike is incorrect and totally your opinion. You just bought the wrong bike for your purposes. Don’t blame the bike for that. Just buy a 300cc and you will be fine.
All right... did you see this video? Please do so. All your doubts will go away about my opinion. ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html I do weight 70 kg and 172cm tall... and yes, I am not really strong either. I am short for the bike, yes, but did you ever see Gaston Rahier ride his BMW? 😉 And yes, I am not as good rider as he was, but I am definitely a capable one, just check my other videos. I can handle the bike pretty nicely, trust me. 😊 Still I keep all my opinion about the bike I told in this video: If you are considering the bike as a serious off-road capable motorbike (enduro, dualsport, adventure, whatever you would like to fancy name it) these flaws could have been fixed already at the construction. Just as they fixed the suspension later on the Tenere 700 Extreme.
Definitely it's an adventure bike, no doubt, and a pretty good one. Still, I think there are many flaws of the bike that could have been fixed already from the start. Just check the new 2025 Rally version. They already fixed some after... 6 years from the release? (Take attention to the plastics and the suspension, two of the issues I was talking about in this video.)
True that! I envy the KTM 690 weight, agility and suspension. The only thing I don't envy: the engine. 😉🤣 I love the CP2 engine too much to change to a KTM.
@braapt7 Yeah, those engines are a bit different characters as the other is single and the other is twin. Surely t7 is better in long-distance travel, less vibrations etc.
Exactly, and for me is important to be able to ride on highways relative comfortable at 120-130kmph (maybe even a bit more... ;) ) hours without giving too much trouble to the bike. But I still envy the KTM chassis! 😁
Yepp, I am afraid you misunderstood my point here. These are the problems of this wonderful bike, that could have been fixed by the creators with a little extra effort. Simple criticism nothing more. I think there is no better bike on the market right now for my all expectations from an adventure bike. Check my other video, you will understand: ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html
I wouldn't mind it, if they were design another one for us! :D I really would love if Honda would have made a serious offroad capable twin cylinder bike using the CB500x engine for example. That power is enough for me. If Honda would have made a bike like the CB500x in dimensions but with serious off road capable frame, suspension and with a basic electrics - at least as much as the T700 is - I wouldn't hesitate to switch to it. But seriously... I even ride in man's clothing most of the time, because women enduro clothing quality and variety is super limited. (and most of them are pink... I got nothing against the pink, but... you know. ) And yes, I agree, not many women ride at this level, but there are men at this size, and even smaller too! 😅
Sure thing, that's it. 😄 (buying, pimping, hitting the floor - you are not Pol Tarres effect -, selling) That's the lifetime of those bikes. Not mine tho... I am like an old LP with damaged path: stuck at "hitting the floor - ride again" cycle. 😅
Fantastic review, your insights are greatly appreciated.
The welded subframe is the largest and least spoken of issue that you raised. I was willing to look over every other quirk, but I lay over my bike alllll the time trail riding and fear a break if I were to ride gnarly terrain. I thank you again for that.
Also, I never knew how attractive I found an accent until now. Learn something new every day.
Basically, if you are laying your bike over all of the time, you are clearly on the wrong bike. Dirt bikes are designed a little more specifically to hit the dirt.....a T7 at 200kg plus, well, try no crashing...it will solve all your problems. Like pregnancy, it only takes one crash to break your back, or foot...so changing your idea about crashing (being part of the adventure), will no doubt help....
Thank you so much, I am really happy you liked my video! And accent... what accent? 😉😅😀
@greyfisher3897 I think I have a tough time reconciling the differences between the enduro I ride on my ktm 300 and what type of trails I'll be on the t7 with.
Of course never crashing is ideal, but to not plan for it isn't in my nature.
Thanks for an honest personal opinion. Usually you won’t hear such things except in a general way until the issue is made better or you buy one.
You are welcome, I am happy you liked it! ✋🙂
If you wanna blame someone blame Pol Tarres 😂. IMO the bike is great when you’re using the bike just for a normal trail ride or regular tarmac ride, good balance budget/expectations. The big problem is when you want to take the bike further of their OEM capabilities. You’re a good rider, you can wheelie, jump the bike, getting your self into hard/advance trails, so you’re capable to find its downsides. For the AVG riders in general, the bike can accomplish the task. I remember the first time that I took the bike on a twisty road, the CP2 engine was super fun, without being a super fast bike. After a year of riding on the bike I decided to gain more off-road experience, there is when I started to noticed all the problems that you’ve mentioned. But to be fair AVG riders like me cannot push the bike that far. Still a super fun bike 😂. Thanks for the video Kate 🎉
If I see him one day, trust me, I will blame him soooooo cruel to make me buy this awesome and wonderful motorbike with his magical performance in Seeker 1 video. :D
All true what you explain, at least this is my opinion as well. Yamaha rarely creates the most advanced bike in the off-road world, but it's always one of the most lovable and loyal companion on long terms. And it's a badass, no doubt. 😁
You did the best break down of this bike ever ,good job
Thank you, I am glad you liked it! ✋🙂
I think taking anything bigger than a 500-excf on serious off-road is pretty silly. I think a lot of riders expect too much out of huge adv bikes thinking the bike can handle it when it just can’t. Honda realized this with their adventure sports and put a 19” front wheel on it.
I think this bike is meant for simple gravel roads, simple water crossings just to get back on road. Even though the professionals show that it can do amazing things doesn’t mean that they didn’t mod the absolute fuck out of it before hand. They’re probably given a new one when they break one too.
My entire test ride on the T7 was on a 160 mile dirt loop and the entire time it performed flawlessly. There were parts of the loop that I wish I was on a dirtbike. But it was great.
I think the real answer here is to buy a bike for each type of riding you want to do even though the T7 bridges a lot of gaps.
Great video, thanks for your insight!
Thank you, I am happy you liked my little video! ✋🙂
I think you are right, a simple 500 - 600cc single cylinder motorbike focused only on functionality is the optimal for serious off-road adventures. Shame no Japanese manufacturer creates such a bike anymore. 😭
@ trust me, we’re all waiting for the Japanese to catch on!
Fingers crossed! 🤞🤞
It was originally designed and developed in France. At MBK Industrie .So that is where they were when it had its plastic and subframe styled and made originally. Back with the xt660 and now the XSR700, Ténéré 700
Thank you for the info, I knew it was designed in France but didn't know which company. Also heard some Italian co-working happened, but not sure about that. That explains the hectic plastic issue for sure. 😅
There is no perfect motorcycle. It is the rider who makes it perfect. The T7 is also a very reliable motorcycle. That is why it is the best-selling model in its class.
Agreed. And this is why I have this, not any other bike. ✌🙂
Thank you for your honest review. I agree that the brakes on T7 are shockingly bad. I almost ran into the back of a vehicle when I picked it up. Shock is shockingly soft. Luckily I enjoy modding my bike as that is part of the experience of ownership. The engine is the best. You spot on with all your observations according to me. The bike has character, simplicity and sounds awesome with a pipe. It's like my old KLR on steroids.
Just like that, but she is still loveable with all of her flaws. 😍 Upgrade and customize with so many third party possibilities is just another fun adventure.
well done, i am an owner. Everybody talks about the pros and not about the cons.First honest video.
good bike but needs staff to approach the potential.
Thank you so much, I am really happy you liked my little video! And honesty is my middle name, no doubt. 😉✋🙂
Thank you ,for sharing your experience.Have a safe trips !
Thank you! You too! ✋🙂
Excellent video and useful info. Thanks for taking the time and effort.
All issues aside, I believe that Yamaha provided the base, the core foundation in terms of engine (amazing) configuration and simplicity at a realistic price.
What you do with it is up to you.
Just like that! Yamaha is the best option yet if you see the whole picture.
Spot on! Great video for those just getting into the T7
Glad you liked it! ✋🙂
To be honest I didn't know the subframe was not bolt on. Big surprise and no fun. Makes me less drooling about the T7(WR actually) and I'm super happy with my V-Strom so far so...Nice video, straight to the point addressing real issues without BS. Congrats!
Thank you so much, I am happy you liked my little video! ✋🙂
Yeah... maybe I overreacted the non-bolt on subframe a little, but it's really annoying IF you have issues with it, and you can not simple fix it with a replace. And wow, yes, V-Strom is a cool bike, one of the most fun bike from Suzuki ever. ✌😀
@@braapt7 You didn't overreact at all. It's a true issue and I'm still surprised. V-Strom is literally unbreakable. Every single road trip on my channel is made riding it, completely trouble free. 160.000km with the engine absolutely untouched and the whole electric system totally original. Not even a light bulb changed!
Wow, that's a lot of kilometers. I always heard that V-Strom is reliable, but I just wow how much. Congratulations, and have a nice and safe adventures with her!
The lack of rider modes was the selling point for me. I want a bike that is as simple as possible that way there are less things that can go wrong. I put the Acerbis 6.1 gallon tank on her and it really helped with the center of gravity believe it or not. The plastics do suck but Camel ADV makes some great ones that bolt right on. This is the best bike on the market for my needs. I'm really glad I bought it. But all the things you mentioned definitely are problems that need to be addressed.
Same experiences here. The Acerbis tank really did help with the center of gravity? The OEM tank is that much heavier? wow... that would be a great upgrade in this case. 😮
Thank you to let me know!
So, putting a bigger tank on,helps with center of gravity. A wider tank, being heavier holding more fuel, is a better set up. "believe it or not" Maybe you can say how that works?...I rode a T7 stock and its top heavy from the get go. The tank sticks way up.
@@braapt7 Pure imagination. A bigger wider tank full of fuel = more top heavy. This guy is yanking your crank. Acerbis tanks are beefy, not light.
@@bradsanders6954 Maybe not filling up the bigger tank fully? Or the plastic is so much lighter than the OEM steel one? No clue... or just yanking. 🤷♀
@@bradsanders6954 Yeah, the bigger tank is plastic so you are saving weight right away compared to the metal OEM tank. Plus it carries the fuel lower on the bike so it seems to have changed the COG to me. Especially if you only put a stock amount in it, i.e. 4 gallons. It's actually lower on the bike than the stock tank. They said that even with a full tank in the Acerbis tank you only add 7 pounds to the bike.
👌👌👌👌Finally someone is telling the real true about this bike which i think is very expensive for what it is......my friend bought Kove 800 which is simillar bike but better in everything,,especially weight...
I keep my eyes on the Kove 800 too, seems promising. I hope I will be able to test ride it soon, I will make a comparison with the T7 for sure.
Ask him about the camshafts after few k km
@@arch126 Is there any particular problem with it, or a sense because it's a KTM copy? :D (Btw. I heard some Kove 450 on the Rally Delle Marche in Italy, and they have horrible sound compared to Japanese motorbikes. )
@@braapt7 in a sense that it's a copy of 790 engine that has this issues, I wonder how is Kove gonna play out
Same here! Let's see in the next years.
Great video and valid points! Did you create the 3D model of the bike yourself? Those look amazing 🤩
Thank you, I am happy you liked my video! ✋🙂
Nope, I was too lazy to model it myself - although 3D modelling is part of my job... ehhehe. 😅
I downloaded before I bought the bike, because I wanted to see under the skirt.
On the suspension note, 43mm forks are no good for serious off road riding the will simply collapse on big jump with enough speed. That’s why it’s essential to fit 48mm forks if you do serious off road rider. So add more budget for that 😉
True that! The more serious you ride, more upgrade you need. I ride serious"ish" I guess. 😅 But indeed, if I'd ride this bike on motocross tracks frequently - which I wouldn't - I'd buy those forks for sure with the extra strong yokes, etc.
This bike is really not expensive and what you get is actually a lot, very good and reliable engine and not that bad at all KYB suspension. Rest is build to the budget but relatively easy to improve. As we see during races Tenere is very capable off-road So don't whine, ride more :)
Totally agree, and yes, sir! I am picking up my gear and go out to ride in the beautiful autumn sun on the gravel roads of Italy right now. Video about that comes later! 😁✌🙂
Why did you buy it then? You’ve done 30k on it and still have it - I don’t get it
Because I love it! :) With all flaws and odds, there is no better on the market right now for my needs. Check this one: ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html
Gee Whiz, I have my T7 for three years, and I haven't dropped it once.....hmmmmm. And I am championed enduro rider in my youth. So...what is with all this nonsense about crashing being "part of the adventure". Don't forget...crashing not only damages a bike...any bike.....it can make you a cripple...even just that one time, don't forget that newbies..... I actually do get a kick out of the T7 riders who bought the bike with completely false expectations. I have no complaints, its a state of the art...modifiable (weldable) bike to suit your needs....If you want to race one, or ride one hard....you need to change the basic design...that has been the case since I have been riding in the 70's. Maybe You Tube and Torres fooled everybody.... Ya the weight is in the engine, and the engine mounted higher than most, because it wasn't designed specifically for this type of design (higher ground clearance). That is called a trade off. In order for Yamaha France to get this bike made by Yamaha Japan, they had to use an already in production engine. Yamaha has done this a few times. I had a 1986 FZ600, it had 600cc engine stuffed into an FZ 400 frame. Price point is low, very modifiable. The real picture here is the fact that sooner or later the Yamaha Japan will design a "new" engine, and it will sit lower in the frame...simple as pie. We all have to keep in mind that this bike pretty much started a wave in the market....by design, and by Yamaha France....which is not the same as Yamaha Japan. This bike is a result, and most certainly not the final result of the concept. All this nonsense about high center of gravity, just an excuse if you ask me people use who drop it a lot. Once you factor in the weight distribution of this bike into your riding inputs...and focus on those physical traits...they go away magically. I have noticed how ARiemann1 has not mentioned anything about center of gravity on his "testing". He only mentions how well balanced it is. Its a big girl.....not a entry level bike...takes skill to ride this big bike..and not crash it so often, enough to have to bend your exhaust mount back several times....After a few bends you should be asking yourself...did I buy the right bike?
Congratulation for your excellent riding technic that you never dropped the bike... just wow, you must be a hot shot for sure. Maybe you should make videos about safe riding technic for the ones, who can't ride that safe!
You are right about the bike, it's a patchwork, no doubt about that.
However... these problems I point at, they are flaws in the engineering. The original designers should have know about this, since even in the original teasers the bike was used on motocross tracks. (Before Pol Tarres videos)
Why I am sure that I am right about this? Because Yamaha already fixed two of these issues in the new model: brand new suspension and fixed plastic ergonomics. (check how much less panels used on the 2025 model)
This could have been done already from the start.
Or even better, next time they should ask me about it, I will tell them sooner! 😉😀
And ARiemann1 talks a lot, but he is super sensitive and doesn't like to confront with others, so he says nice things, this way everybody loves him. Especially the sponsors. =) (btw. the bike is balanced nicely, it can be done even with high center of gravity)
And that`s why I own a KTM500 EXC for proper offroad adventure and I ride my T7 on mild adventures. Frankly , the T7 is rubbish off road. After years of riding enduro bikes the T7 was a fat , top heavy , under sprung pig offroad but bloody great on flowing gravel roads and easy twin track.
I don't think any ADV bike is great offroad, it's part of the compromise, I'm happy it meets the design brief to be able to travel long distance to get to rough tracks carrying a lot of gear ,something I wouldn't want to do on a KTM500. ADV's have a tough brief, trying to cover so many different riding needs in one package.
I agree with you in this, and also agree with @silverdale3207 . The T7 is a real adventure bike, and if you are a good and strong and tall rider, you are able to ride with it enduro style as well.
Enduro bikes are super fun and easy to handle on a nice ride in the forest, but if you travel too far, you can either run out of fuel pretty fast, or at the end of the day struggle to ride home after sunset on the highway. 😅
Compromises... compromises everywhere... 😀
Totally agree with you on this, I own a CFMOTO 450MT but I hate bringing in on hardcore off-road terrain. I really wonder why and how GS riders justify bringing their bikes offroad when something like a GS1250 ADV is literally an elephant with wheels.
Maybe they just love to destroy the big elephant? 🙄 Kinda Hemingway feeling, I guess. 😅
Hey, just curious how tall you are ? I'm short but would love to add a T7 to my line up.
I am 172cm tall, and sitting on the T7 (in street shoes) I can barely able to reach the ground with both of my toes. In stiff motocross boots I can't. Only when sliding to one side, then I can touch the ground with the whole sole.
I got off-road tires on the bike and I ride with optimal sag, stiff settings for jumps and faster off-road ride.
Any bike will slide out in the rear if you give it gas and dont position your body properly or get caught of guard like Pol tarres. T7s are awesome just not for your entry into adventure bikes. Have realistic expectations, 90% rider 10% the bike.❤
Agree, I find it hooks up really well in the rear as acceleration drives the rear wheel into the ground, it's as as my good as my 450 dirtbike.
T7s are awesome, and I think there is no better alternative on the market right now for serious off road capable twin cylinder bike, no question about this.
However, the high positioned weight causes a faster slide out - need much more counterbalance - and if this slide out got at some point, even a strong and heavy rider can not keep the bike balanced, as he or she would be able if this weight would be positioned lower.
And yes. Rider skills and height/weight ratio compared to the bike are more important than the bike itself. 😅
@@braapt7 Are you being paid to push this bike? It seems most youtubers get kickbacks to say "there is no better alternative than this bike for serious off road capable" then you list everything wrong with the thing for off road.
Adam Reimann gets free Yamahas and pretty well has the long drawn out ad segments covered for Yamaha and the T7. Many riders buy a T7, ride it a little, its too slow for road use. Its cheaply built, its top heavy. It needs 5K spent at minimum to make it better. They sell it and buy a KTM. They want performance not a budget build.
Unfortunately I am not payed for that, but I wouldn't mind. Do you know someone who would?
Anyway, I still prefer to ride my "weak" Yamaha, I think the KTM might be too powerful for my needs. Also I prefer to customize my bike with that extra money instead of just using what they already built in without knowing my needs.
Also I prefer spartan electronics. Does KTM have as simple electronics as the T7 casio version?
@@braapt7 The electronics on the 890, are one of the best features of the bike. I didnt think I would say that, but they are faultless..and really work great...to say a T7 is better due to not having them, you get what you get when you buy economy....A T7 makes good power on dirt, on road? On a dyno they show about 65HP......meaning its a slow bike.
Your video comes off like an ad is the only reason I thought you were sponsored. "Its the one and only best bike ever" except for all these problems built in.
There is no better bike , to make your own, one of a kind bike!
Put 5k € on options ( like me)🤑 and you never want anything else!
Trust me ! Tried many
I totally agree with you, this is why I have this bike and not any other on the market. I put already extra 2,5k Euro in to, and I think I'll keep adding the rest 2,5k as well.
Awesome multitalented bike!
@@braapt7 👍 and the new ones ! Are getting to advanced ( electronics) 😄 would not trade mine for one.
BraapT7 you are very knowledgeable, BUT:
Mr Yamaha that designed, built AND delivered this bike to dealers for what??? $5000
For the THOUSANDS of dollars that you spent on the T7: how much lighter, stronger, faster, and economical did you make it?
10%, 50%?
The quality/price/performance/reliability/economy of the T7 AMAZES me in comparison to all the other bikes on the market.
Welding the sub frame is so much cheaper/lighter than having bolt-on components UNLESS one plans on crashing frequently.
Look at the cost of Yamaha components, they are SO much cheaper than what I spent on my German/Austrian bikes, and are excellent quality.
Price of the T7 in the US is 10700 so where does your 5000 come from? Besides that, my girlfriend dropped her T7 on a parking (standing stil) and it ripped the hanger of the exhaust off, had to have it welded on again. I recognize all the issues, some not a big deal for my girlfriend (she weighs 55 kg so the brakes are fine for her).
Yes, this is all true, this is exactly the reason why I have this motorbike, and why I will keep it for a long - long time. Probably until the end of my days on earth.
My criticism is aimed at the parts and attitudes of the motorbike what could have been fixed already at the creation.
If you intend to use it as ordinary bike, it's all right there is no problem at all. But if you use it as the brand suggests: a serious off road capable machine, you definitely expecting a lot of crashes and backflips.
And if you do so, durable plastics, capable suspension (this they already fixed at the Tenere 700 Extreme) and a removable rear part is a must IMHO. More firm brakes also. And yes, I am talking from a lot of experience. 🙄😁😅
I agree about everything but especially about the brakes and chassis, they are a big problem. But I still remain in love with my T7. Would you rather have problems with the camshaft or have to screw the whole bike back together every half hour!?! 😂😂
But... You are in italy again??
Yes, totally agree. I rather keep struggling to ride the big heavy bike instead of struggling to repair the KTM in the shed. 🙄😀 And yes, I am back! Viva Italia! 😃
@braapt7 remember your beer at iseo lake!! ✌🏻🇮🇹
How could I forget a free beer??? 😅😁🍺 If I will go up north I will go for it for sure.
@@braapt7 Funny. T7 riders crow about how wonderful this price point bike is.
Meanwhile an 890 outperforms it in every way, my 890R has been totally reliable in 21,000 miles, many of them are that way. 100HP is a good thing.
Between 1 and 2% of 790's have the cam problem, the internet has gone on a rampage saying ALL KTM's break. Now every internet poster pushes the same thing.
People LOVE to spread bad news even if its fake.
@@bradsanders6954 Now you convinced me, the KTM is too powerful for me. I couldn't handle that much power on slippery rocks on single tracks, I am sure of
that.
There’s no way you can do the upgrades and still cost less than a ktm 890 adv , the suspension alone will bring the cost above
True that, however, I think the T7 with the Tractive suspension is superior to the KTM 890 adv if you see the whole picture.
Yeah, this is subjective, but it's based on objective facts. :)
The KTM 890 R might be better - if you doesn't mind to change the camshaft (and other things) time to time, while running the T7 is common for 300000km without any big issues. But also the price of the 890R is still above the T7 + pro suspension upgrade.
Also don't forget - and this is REALLY subjective - I am an old school rider who got heebie-jeebies if a computer want to override my control over the bike.
@ Iam old as well the off road abs and traction controll I really like on the 890 , internet haters have blown cam issues out of controll , it’s a small number and ktm have now said they will fix even out of warranty . Being short the height and top heaviness of the yam is the one thing I can’t modify . Prices probably vary in different countries , but i priced up new yam next to new 890 and they are almost the same but basic ktm still had more spec and cheaper to decat and sort silencer 890r is a couple thousand more but spending same money on t7 I still couldn’t bring it close to the level of the ktm R I liked the yam for all its simplicity and reliability ,but as an all rounder for road touring as well and carrying a passenger it has more to offer me
@@ianparkes2538 If you like the additional features of a modern bike, then KTM is really the way for you. I just trust myself more then a computer, that's all. And yes, top heavy can not be fixed without rebuilding the bike and putting the tank under the seat. Fortunately the new EICMA offers new solutions, I keep my eyes on them, so never know... maybe you will see me in my next video on the new Suzuki or Kove... 😅
The issues the T7 has? Are there for good. Its top heavy and needs to be more top heavy to have enough fuel on board. Yamaha builds bikes to a price point, to make the T7 more serious there is almost no area not to be fixing. The power, just isnt there. ADV bikes go on road and the bike doesnt quite have it. The internet is scaring people about KTM's night and day.
Mine are totally reliable and are seriously fun bikes.
I am sure the T7 would be much less top heavy if the Yamaha would have put the petrol under the seat, like many other manufacturers find this solution adequate.
And the power is right enough for an old lady rider like me. 😊
And congratulations for your issue free KTMs, I am sure many fellow riders envy you! ✋🙂
@@braapt7 As noted, maybe 2% of 790's have had the cam problem, to an internet addict all KTM's are a problem. They blow the issue up as big as they can, like you are also. RUclipsrs in particular are determined to kill KTM. Its all free speech.
Five things for the misses.
1 you buy the wrong bike for your height. You are just to short for the bike.
2 it’s not an enduro bike as you call it.
3 you are not strong enough and you don’t know how to pick up the bike.
4 it is an adventure bike with a 21 inch and 18 in the back. The swingarm is the best in class of his length you just can not handle the bike.
5 the springs are to soft not the suspension. It will cost you just a bit to change it. T7 is made for 70 kilo person. 😅.
Don’t forget that Yamaha did not build the bike to go hardcore offroad it’s just to heavy for 95% of the people.
Why do people think they are Pol Tarres. 😅.
Your opinion about the bike is incorrect and totally your opinion. You just bought the wrong bike for your purposes.
Don’t blame the bike for that. Just buy a 300cc and you will be fine.
All right... did you see this video? Please do so. All your doubts will go away about my opinion.
ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html
I do weight 70 kg and 172cm tall... and yes, I am not really strong either. I am short for the bike, yes, but did you ever see Gaston Rahier ride his BMW? 😉 And yes, I am not as good rider as he was, but I am definitely a capable one, just check my other videos.
I can handle the bike pretty nicely, trust me. 😊
Still I keep all my opinion about the bike I told in this video: If you are considering the bike as a serious off-road capable motorbike (enduro, dualsport, adventure, whatever you would like to fancy name it) these flaws could have been fixed already at the construction.
Just as they fixed the suspension later on the Tenere 700 Extreme.
The is good, but everybody knows that a single thumper 650 made by a japanese manufactor will sell like cakes. 65 hp, 150 kg👌🍾
I'd prefer a Japanese parallel twin even if it were 180kg. :D
@braapt7 fair enough
Nothing wrong with the tenere, it’s not an eduro bike, it’s not a dual sport
Definitely it's an adventure bike, no doubt, and a pretty good one.
Still, I think there are many flaws of the bike that could have been fixed already from the start. Just check the new 2025 Rally version. They already fixed some after... 6 years from the release? (Take attention to the plastics and the suspension, two of the issues I was talking about in this video.)
Better to change to KTM 690 😂, it solves all the problems
True that! I envy the KTM 690 weight, agility and suspension. The only thing I don't envy: the engine. 😉🤣 I love the CP2 engine too much to change to a KTM.
@braapt7 Yeah, those engines are a bit different characters as the other is single and the other is twin. Surely t7 is better in long-distance travel, less vibrations etc.
Exactly, and for me is important to be able to ride on highways relative comfortable at 120-130kmph (maybe even a bit more... ;) ) hours without giving too much trouble to the bike. But I still envy the KTM chassis! 😁
Have them both Love them both
@@braapt7why would a 690 have problems with those speeds ??
I don't understand this video ? All your points to me are subjective. What is stopping you from selling this 'poor' bike and buying your KTM love ???!
Yepp, I am afraid you misunderstood my point here. These are the problems of this wonderful bike, that could have been fixed by the creators with a little extra effort.
Simple criticism nothing more.
I think there is no better bike on the market right now for my all expectations from an adventure bike. Check my other video, you will understand: ruclips.net/video/_hrdwl7hYdk/видео.html
With all due respect perhaps they were not designed with women in mind.
I wouldn't mind it, if they were design another one for us! :D
I really would love if Honda would have made a serious offroad capable twin cylinder bike using the CB500x engine for example. That power is enough for me.
If Honda would have made a bike like the CB500x in dimensions but with serious off road capable frame, suspension and with a basic electrics - at least as much as the T700 is - I wouldn't hesitate to switch to it.
But seriously... I even ride in man's clothing most of the time, because women enduro clothing quality and variety is super limited. (and most of them are pink... I got nothing against the pink, but... you know. )
And yes, I agree, not many women ride at this level, but there are men at this size, and even smaller too! 😅
Buy a Ktm 😁😁
😀 You bet! 😉
Now I understand why there are so many of these with low mileage in the classified ads.
Sure thing, that's it. 😄 (buying, pimping, hitting the floor - you are not Pol Tarres effect -, selling) That's the lifetime of those bikes.
Not mine tho... I am like an old LP with damaged path: stuck at "hitting the floor - ride again" cycle. 😅
Heul doch!
✋🙂