Sonya vs Deen - Which to Choose? Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia

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    In today's episode we're analyzing two characters that the player must choose between during Celica's story in Fire Emblem Echoes Shadows of Valentia! These two characters, Deen and Sonya, were also present in Fire Emblem Gaiden, but unlike how it was in Gaiden, the choice between the two is definitely a lot harder to make this time around. Will you pick Deen, the upgraded Mercenary (Myrmidon) who comes equipped with a Brave Sword and some pretty great stat growths, or will you pick Sonya the mage with her Steel shield, great balanced growths and overall potential as being one of the best mages on Celica's route? Let's take a closer look.
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  • @blazikematheus
    @blazikematheus 7 лет назад +593

    Sonya might be a hot witch, but Deen's redesign is god tier, I'm picking him

  • @zood7677
    @zood7677 6 лет назад +166

    others: actually look at and care about stats before deciding which character to recruit
    me: g i r l h o t

    • @billmarshall2642
      @billmarshall2642 3 года назад +16

      Me was boy hot

    • @MrSasukeSusanoo
      @MrSasukeSusanoo 7 месяцев назад

      I was: Hey I'd like to have another mage
      *Goes to fight mage to recruit her*
      Why did I get the mercenary?
      *Some maps later*
      I don't regret this mistake, it was destiny, Deen is cool

  • @lucky_crit
    @lucky_crit  6 лет назад +132

    *This episode needs little bit of an update.* After the game launched we discovered that the Brave Sword actually does retain its original Gaiden effect, basically being like a Killing Edge. For some reason before the game came out I had been led to believe that it would be updated to the series' standard, however this was not the case. Also, Deen will drop his weapon upon his death, so either way you'll get his Brave Sword. will get both of the characters' weapons regardless of who you choose, since they will either come with the weapon or will drop it once you kill them on the battlefield. Make sure the one whose map you go to (to fight and kill them) IS NOT THE ONE YOU WANT. Thanks for watching, guys!

  • @bravescholarlys1127
    @bravescholarlys1127 7 лет назад +315

    Sonya is an interesting character since she's tied to a bunch of important major characters in the story plus her ending is very interesting plus she's a fantastic mage so I pick her easily! Also I'm excited for Celica in heroes I'll try to get her early if possible or when release fully she's one my favorite female lord to Lyn then Eirika

    • @genobeamandflash92
      @genobeamandflash92 7 лет назад

      Kinu FoxySpirit I wonder what color she'll be( I hope green or red)

    • @darriusaustin7436
      @darriusaustin7436 7 лет назад

      genobeamandflash92 Hopefully green

    • @braydenpianoman
      @braydenpianoman 7 лет назад +1

      I have a feeling it was semi-confirmed in some accidental release that she'll be red.

    • @i__3496
      @i__3496 7 лет назад

      I pulled her in the ongoing japanese Omikuji event on a red day, so I think she's going to be a red unit.

    • @sonofjenova6172
      @sonofjenova6172 7 лет назад +1

      it's not really confirmed just leaked

  • @wyatt3740
    @wyatt3740 7 лет назад +47

    Sonya always did seem like a more human version of a witch, but when I realized that she had rewarp and entrap, I had to stop and think about what she had done to become so powerful without giving her soul to Duma

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +8

      That's a really great question!

  • @shaginus
    @shaginus 7 лет назад +383

    This is something more serious than Choosing Starter in Pokemon
    Thanks for the vids

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +4

      Glad you like them, thanks so much for tuning in :)

  • @baileyfish8466
    @baileyfish8466 7 лет назад +182

    just fyi, brave sword in echoes isnt like fates brave sword. it acts how it is in gaiden

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +87

      Oh man, you're absolutely right, they even kept its original Gaiden attributes! Yeesh. Missed that. Thanks for the heads up.

    • @baileyfish8466
      @baileyfish8466 7 лет назад +7

      Lucky Crit no problem!

    • @baileyfish8466
      @baileyfish8466 7 лет назад +15

      Thatguy Line In Gaiden and Echoes its a high crit weapon instead of a doubling weapon.

    • @baileyfish8466
      @baileyfish8466 7 лет назад +1

      Thatguy Line Personally I go with Deen because hes a beast and my favoritr redesign, but Sonia will get work done

    • @protol5683
      @protol5683 7 лет назад +4

      Bailey Fish It's more like the killing edge.

  • @sergior8992
    @sergior8992 7 лет назад +184

    skip to 2:13 to skip the ad

  • @Mangs1337
    @Mangs1337 7 лет назад +173

    I don't think I could give you an unbiased answer on this.

    • @pyrenagi
      @pyrenagi 7 лет назад +20

      Mangs if Sonya was blonde, I think you would pick her faster than Louise in your fe7 randomi...
      Oh... wait...

    • @NowiGreen
      @NowiGreen 6 лет назад +2

      I can, Dread fighter is best class :P

  • @PeteringYT
    @PeteringYT 5 лет назад +63

    My minds telling me Deen, BUT MY BODY! My body's telling me Sonya.

    • @nicholaszetterman565
      @nicholaszetterman565 4 года назад +1

      I didn’t know that you recruited the other so I ended up fighting Sonya and I got played

    • @Crumble_n_use
      @Crumble_n_use 3 года назад +2

      My body's telling me Deen
      Sonya hot but Deen
      God damn

    • @michaeldean2877
      @michaeldean2877 3 года назад

      @@nicholaszetterman565 me to 😥

    • @Matsuna13
      @Matsuna13 Год назад

      They’re both great characters to recruit. I have Sonya in my first file and Deen in my second file.

  • @cloudmv15
    @cloudmv15 7 лет назад +96

    I really don't like when a game forces you to pick between 2 playable characters, I hated in other games and I hate it here. But between the two of them I like Deen best

    • @jhc1013
      @jhc1013 7 лет назад +27

      Yeah, picking between anything is horrible. Especially in FE.

    • @eduardobustamante4749
      @eduardobustamante4749 4 года назад +12

      @@jhc1013 and sacrificing characters also sucks

  • @Superluigi881
    @Superluigi881 7 лет назад +35

    I ultimately went with Deen and I'm glad I did. Sonya's skill set is nice but the late game is full of annoying dread fighters which she can't really do much against by herself, other than praying to milla that Excalibur crits. Meanwhile Deen can put them down solo with little fuss and being a dread fighter means he doesn't have to worry too much about being one shotted by most magic either.
    It is kind of sad that it leaves poor Genny without any supports though.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +11

      Yeah the limited supports in this game are unfortunate :(

    • @Superluigi881
      @Superluigi881 7 лет назад +4

      Yeah. Gunny drew the shortest straw in a batch where none of them were very long. It sucks for the people who only get one support. Most at least get two but not only does Genny only get one support but it's with Sonya who's an optional unit, meanwhile Deen only supports with Jesse who still gets a support with Saber.

    • @Matsuna13
      @Matsuna13 2 года назад +1

      I am having Deen in my second file. I do agree that Genny has no supports which is sad when you choose Deen.

  • @hookerlegs106
    @hookerlegs106 7 лет назад +37

    Sonya because she's the closest thing we can get to goth aesthetic.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +11

      I like how both of these characters have very purply palettes! They look great :)

    • @kanenanda3300
      @kanenanda3300 4 года назад

      How about shade

  • @stickfigure8416
    @stickfigure8416 7 лет назад +94

    I hate having to choose between units.
    It pissed me off in Shadow Dragon and it sure pissed me off in Gaiden.
    Shit.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +10

      It makes more of a reason to do two playthroughs. I think it's kinda fun.

    • @stickfigure8416
      @stickfigure8416 7 лет назад +17

      Instead I would actually want to see a game with branching paths.
      Not like Fates where you basically make one choice in the entire game, but a game where you progress through different outcomes depending not only on on-the-spot decisions, but also on the player's prowess and strategy during the gameplay segments itself, fulfilling secondary objectives, triggering event flags and the like.
      But making me kill one potential ally just to get another kind of makes me feel like a dick, tbh

    • @sol9742
      @sol9742 7 лет назад +10

      +StickFigure You probably would enjoy SMT: Devil Survivor series then. It got branching story routes and alternate scenario/battle depending which characters live and die.

    • @DragoonBB
      @DragoonBB 7 лет назад +1

      Sol Luna Yeah but you literally had to be a douchebag and miss the time to save them which the game gives you plenty of.XD

  • @inigo3474
    @inigo3474 7 лет назад +68

    Huh...you look exactly like your art work thats used in the videos. Don't know why I thought otherwise, but good to see that you stayed extremely faithful to your IRL "design"

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +26

      Yeah I always found it really weird when people have cartoon versions of themselves that look nothing like them, so when I made this I stayed completely accurate :)

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +35

      Just wait til Hidari does my redesign though, I'll look as badass as Deen >:)

    • @jek2669
      @jek2669 4 года назад

      Oh hi Lasl- I mean Inigo

  • @veronis
    @veronis 7 лет назад +34

    I accidentally killed Sonya because I thought you had to go on her path to recruit her. I'm stuck with Deen now but he's cool I guess

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +6

      Next time through just make sure to kill Deen, that's what will be fun though, now you can do two different playthroughs and make all the villagers different, too!

    • @Brogers789
      @Brogers789 7 лет назад +3

      +blums Same thing happened to me, except I wanted to recruit Deen over Sonya. Which sucks because I don't plan on doing a second playthrough due to all the grinding you have to do.

    • @cesiperez8789
      @cesiperez8789 3 года назад +1

      I felt this and immediately felt horrible to the point I deleted my game files… I should’ve come here sooner ;;-,,

  • @lordtullus9942
    @lordtullus9942 7 лет назад +152

    Deen. Sonia is better, and has more Story Relevance, but Deen is Freaking badass, and I'm choosing him instead of sonia. Why choose sonia, anyway? You already have the master of mages himself - BOEY.
    Echoes

    • @kingsaul754
      @kingsaul754 7 лет назад +13

      Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] Deen redesign is best redesign.

    • @stickfigure8416
      @stickfigure8416 7 лет назад +8

      A mage-branch or a mercenary-branch unit? Celica already gets a boatload of both in her route

    • @ablastno41
      @ablastno41 7 лет назад +3

      Ok but Deen is significantly better than Sonia due to how Sonia never promotes, and even then Celica is the only relevant mage on her route after ch2

    • @lordtullus9942
      @lordtullus9942 7 лет назад

      Wrong - Sonia, like every female mage, promotes at level 20. At least in Gaiden. Boey and/or may are slightly relevent in chapter 3, boey even more when you train him.

    • @Debinhamineira31
      @Debinhamineira31 7 лет назад

      Lord Tullus 9 [Puffy Sprinkles] actually Male mages promote at level 12 and female mages promote at level 14

  • @Ajia_No_Envy
    @Ajia_No_Envy 5 лет назад +17

    8:15 “Her other offensive spells still should be good enough though”
    **misses attack**

  • @crossblake2679
    @crossblake2679 7 лет назад +65

    Deen looks edgy as fuck and I simply cannot resist picking him.

  • @morcatna4767
    @morcatna4767 7 лет назад +26

    Both Character Portraits look amazing! God I love Hidari's work! Echoes....

    • @VonFirflirch
      @VonFirflirch 7 лет назад +3

      It's so great, it makes the other style look fairly bland in my opinion x)

  • @lucariotime890
    @lucariotime890 7 лет назад +41

    Deen...
    Because Dwyer

    • @TheJayeagle
      @TheJayeagle 7 лет назад +3

      Drunk Lucario That Do Stupid Sh*t On The Internet He looks more like a certain outlaw.

    • @docturbright495
      @docturbright495 6 лет назад +2

      He kinda looks like priam

    • @goldensucc126
      @goldensucc126 5 лет назад

      Dia

  • @davidhill8565
    @davidhill8565 6 лет назад +10

    Mila’s statue advises that you must have an Archer and a Mage in your party. If you want to pick Sonya, make Atlas a Mercenary. If you want to pick Deen, make Atlas a Mage.

  • @mghegotagun
    @mghegotagun 7 лет назад +9

    Wish i could have them both. Dean looks badass, but I love the look of both of their growths. Very Oboro-esque, aka, almost impossible to be bad ever.

  • @GSmith624
    @GSmith624 7 лет назад +33

    somehow have watched like 30 videos by you guys, but just realized that I still haven't subbed yet, I am now though. you guys are dope

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +6

      Welcome aboard, really glad you enjoy the videos :)

  • @ZerkMonsterHunter
    @ZerkMonsterHunter 7 лет назад +85

    Sonya obviously, I mean... Woah.

    • @ZerkMonsterHunter
      @ZerkMonsterHunter 7 лет назад +11

      also we have the same favorite FE, sacred Stones represent!

    • @D.Dragon
      @D.Dragon 7 лет назад

      Don't you have the FE Heroes Lyn redesign for that?

    • @enclinker7951
      @enclinker7951 6 лет назад +3

      I got Sonya for her supports with Genny. I mean like seriously, I dubbed Sonya "Team mom" in my playthrough

  • @Mooniowo
    @Mooniowo 7 лет назад +16

    i made my atlas archer and DAMN he carried hard

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +5

      Nice to hear! Glad he found a good spot in your lineup.

  • @Bydnelg
    @Bydnelg 7 лет назад +1

    is there anywhere I can go to see their conversations/ character quirks? cause that's what would tilt me one way or the other.

  • @Ocsttiac
    @Ocsttiac 7 лет назад +21

    In OG Gaiden, Sonya was probably the better choice. The only good Mages you had were Mae and Celica; Boey sucked ass. Sonya came in with pretty solid bases, growths and a very impressive spell list. Meanwhile for Mercenaries/Myrmidons, you had Saber, Kamui and Jesse, all three of which were decent. You didn't need a fourth one in the form of Deen. On top of that, beating Deen's group is way easier than beating Sonya's group.
    However, since Boey has been buffed and Sonya has been _significantly_ nerfed, the choice is far more balanced.

  • @geoffreyperrin4347
    @geoffreyperrin4347 7 лет назад +6

    I love how the villagers work, but I'm sad that there's no branching class changes. I used to love replaying just to see what it would be like for an axe wielder to go berserk instead of pirate, or whatever the options were. Also, I was sad to realize that axes weren't available to the player, meaning some of the sword users could have been axe users, but i understand that they wanted to be somewhat true to the original in some areas

  • @KarlM29
    @KarlM29 7 лет назад

    I'm kind of curious I don't remember hearing what the echoes amebos special features will give players when they play this fire emblem game? Besides the ability to save our character data to the amoeba what additional bonuses will we get?

  • @richiedraws5898
    @richiedraws5898 7 лет назад +1

    I'm so glad I found this channel the day before the game is released.

  • @Florelea
    @Florelea 7 лет назад

    I just wanted to say thank you and good job in this video. I bought the game a few days ago, and tend to go into games like this blind as a bat, not really knowing or caring about growths and going off of what i feel like at the moment. When your villager video popped up in my recommendeds I was skeptic but curious, expecting a video stating what is the "absolute best" for each character purely based on stats. I was pleasantly surprised to be wrong.
    Your videos are informative without being spoiler heavy, and you give facts and advice in an unbiased way. I'll be using the things i learned from you for my next, actually planned play through :)
    Keep up the good work and thanks!

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      +Sacredangel Wow thank you for the compliments. I'm really glad you liked the videos and found them helpful. Thank you so much for tuning in and I'm also really glad you're enjoying Echoes. Stay tuned for more :)

  • @kiwiswan1715
    @kiwiswan1715 7 лет назад

    I only recently decided that I want to play Fire Emblem games more strategically and these videos are super helpful! Great vid :)

  • @megakoopa2361
    @megakoopa2361 7 лет назад +51

    I prefer Sonya because she's hot, but Deen is better because of two words "Dread Fighter".

    • @DragoonBB
      @DragoonBB 7 лет назад +3

      Mega Koopa X The only class that doesn't faint at magic.

  • @joojishibuki
    @joojishibuki 7 лет назад +10

    no mater how much i'd like try out that app FE Heroes has taken up so much space that there's nothing left i could delete to make space for that..

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +1

      Fire Emblem Heroes is a great game, but yeah it's definitely huge. No worries man :) (Are you team iPhone? They really screw everyone with those low storage models...)

  • @bmb7918
    @bmb7918 7 лет назад

    Couple of queries:
    - I can't find anything that states that the Brave Sword in Echoes has the standard Brave / 2x attack effect, and the clip you showed had Deen being counterattacked in between strikes. Source?
    - The items carried in both Gaiden and Echoes are irrelevant to the choice as the one you kill drops their item for you and the one you spare joins with their item.
    - Small thing, but iirc Sonya using swords is usually considered a bonus because the extra damage from carrying a sword is added to her magical damage rather than any potential she has as a physical unit

  • @paytoncongrove2011
    @paytoncongrove2011 7 лет назад

    Nice vid dude I really enjoyed it

  • @Francisco1mrc
    @Francisco1mrc 7 лет назад +4

    I know the game hasn't been released but do you know how upgrading classes works? I know it's a statue this time but will it be beneficial to level the characters to max before classing up? what about the villagers should we reclass them as soon as possible?

    • @ghostyens
      @ghostyens 7 лет назад

      Francisco Sousa I think most people would agree that reclassing immediately is the best & safest option. Reclassing works differently this time around, where the unit will immediately have their stats increased to the new class' base stats (but if the stats are higher than the base stats, they stay the same). So waiting to reclass might end up being a waste of level ups, since reclassing would have increased some stats anyways. Hope this makes sense.

    • @Francisco1mrc
      @Francisco1mrc 7 лет назад

      tsumugari yeah it does make sense thanks for the advice

    • @ghostyens
      @ghostyens 7 лет назад

      Francisco Sousa No problem

  • @byrnesy6149
    @byrnesy6149 7 лет назад +3

    I'm in my first echoes playthrough and I decided to go with deen, because he looked cool. I'm nearing the end of chapter 4 and so far he is disgustingly good. He crits nearly every round of combat, and at least for me, has been getting some pretty good growths as well. probably my 2nd best merc after saber.

  • @badcactus819
    @badcactus819 7 лет назад +3

    Hey I just hit that subscribe button. I was introduced to you through Ghast and I'm loving your content.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +1

      Welcome aboard! Thanks so much for checking us out, and a big thanks to Ghast for having us on as a guest. We're really glad you're enjoying the videos :)

  • @GamerThatSucks13
    @GamerThatSucks13 7 лет назад

    I haven't reached to the point where you recruit them but how exactly is it done? You have to beat them?

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      Basically which ever desert battle on the work map you go to, you kill that person and get the other one later.

  • @THEKING-hu8vt
    @THEKING-hu8vt 7 лет назад

    lucky crit makes such great videos

  • @Destroya135
    @Destroya135 7 лет назад

    Hello Lucky Crit I was wondering if you have any new information about the Limited Edition. I have read in an article that the FE Limited Edition will be released in some stores the day it comes out but I'm not sure if the information could be trusted or not. I have also read somewhere that the LE will be released soon in Amazon but I'm not sure if that information is true. Thank you for your videos they are really helpful and they are getting me really hyped for Echoes!

  • @DanielRedMoon
    @DanielRedMoon 7 лет назад

    Where can I get all the artwork used in the video? High Res images.. the wiki?

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +1

      Yeah Serenes doesn't have all of them, I think you can find most in here: *BE CAREFUL, HEAVY SPOILERS BECAUSE OF ALL THE ENEMY ARTWORK, MONSTERS, CHARACTERS, CLASSES, etc* fireemblem.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Shadows_of_Valentia_Images You'll notice a lot of their dialogue portraits are REALLY small, I guess they are just that size in the game. It will be nice to see if we ever get the official full art of every character released somehow.

  • @Persoon56
    @Persoon56 7 лет назад

    Awesome video, I'm really liking your Echoes videos. I'm picking Deen, by the by. I do just want to say though, I looked through some info and I didn't find anything about the Hero Sword having any Brave Effect, but it does have an anti-flier skill. Also, one thing I found helpful is that, with minimal grinding, Deen is pretty much on-par or only slightly behind the team in terms of level, while Sonia seems pretty far behind and her high level of promotion doesn't help her, just a quick bit of two cents.

  • @owo2350
    @owo2350 7 лет назад

    what about Delthea? From the growth rates I saw in both Gaiden and SoV she's insane, definitely using her on my playthrough

  • @pf9878
    @pf9878 7 лет назад +2

    I just got Jesse and am spending time training him up, plus I want the story to be better on my first playthrough, so RIP Brave Sword. Sonja is gonna be great!
    Edit: OMG HE DROPS THE BRAVE SWORD YES

  • @bubbles46853-ep9if
    @bubbles46853-ep9if 7 лет назад

    0:50
    May I ask what the censored thing was?

  • @kairowskiller4006
    @kairowskiller4006 7 лет назад

    again big fan of your videos thx for telling theres a fire emblem amino I've been writing some poems for a few characters in the fire emblem series. Also do you have a fire emblem amino account I can follow If you do use it?

  • @toriku_
    @toriku_ 7 лет назад

    I would've been fine with either unit but playing on hard classic first run, I didn't exactly feel like going through a level where I had limited movement while witches who could teleport almost freely (unless you know how to abuse their AI) could attack my units for potentially easy kills

  • @seanc325
    @seanc325 7 лет назад +1

    I find it nice how you make an effort to respond to comments

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +3

      I hate it when big youtubers don't even try. People took time out of their days to watch your content. It's the least you can do to at least have a conversation. Anyway, that's how we feel here so we'll always be doing our best to get to a lot of the comments!

    • @seanc325
      @seanc325 7 лет назад +1

      I got a heart I feel special

  • @MrMarinus18
    @MrMarinus18 Месяц назад

    5:10
    In Gaiden and Echoes you don't have a magic stat so swords also boosts your magic. So the holy sword gives both +3 magic attack and passive heal.

  • @MEW-hn2dn
    @MEW-hn2dn 7 лет назад

    But their weapons drop when you kill them so i don't know why that is important?

  • @joozhuah8017
    @joozhuah8017 7 лет назад +19

    Which one is the more "canonical" option so to speak

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +36

      Yeah that's Sonya because of her relationship to other characters in the story. Deen is kind of an outcast in that regard.

    • @joozhuah8017
      @joozhuah8017 7 лет назад

      +LuckyCrit +namename Thanks

    • @hiraeth437
      @hiraeth437 6 лет назад

      In some manga adaption of the original game, I think Deen takes a killing blow for Sonya.
      I think I read it somewhere on the wiki.

    • @Matsuna13
      @Matsuna13 5 лет назад +1

      Sonya is the one that has relations to the story especially if you fight Jedah.

  • @scorch3565
    @scorch3565 7 лет назад

    I have not played Gaiden and don't know much about the story but I was a little confused watching this video. When you began to talk about what happened in the original game you said that you would recruit one earlier then get the other later. Is this still the same for this game? If so then would the choice just be about who you want to actually use or who you want to get first? If someone could elaborate a little more for me I would appreciate it.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      Nope, you pick which one you will fight, then you basically end up killing that one, and you recruit the one you didn't fight!

    • @scorch3565
      @scorch3565 7 лет назад

      Aw I was looking forward to using them both. I really like the design of them both

  • @glubritz
    @glubritz 7 лет назад

    I'm not sure if this will be my first or second run through the game, but I do have a bit of an interesting plan for this. I'll pick Dean on a route where I make Atlas a mercenary. But, I'll use the villager's fork DLC item to reclass Jesse to an archer. Since there's a rather small amount of archers in the game, it felt like a nice choice to go for. Plus, Jesse's growths feel like they'll compliment a ranged class like that a bit more, with his high luck helping for accuracy, and his lower strength being less of a problem.

  • @owainthetrueexalt6723
    @owainthetrueexalt6723 4 года назад

    Ranged units will always be my first choice, especially if they target resistance. Chipping powerful enemy down without getting a counterattack before finishing them up makes some battle much easier. Especially entrap strata.

  • @danielm.5078
    @danielm.5078 7 лет назад +2

    Actually, the Brave Sword in SoV still gives Crit+30 rather than doubling the amount of attacks a unit does per round. Think that explains the higher than normal dislike ratio (as well as the Amino plug).

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      Yep, it was pointed out to me earlier. Unfortunately I didn't see the information about it retaining its Gaiden attributes... sorry about that :|

  • @shiningjustice4147
    @shiningjustice4147 7 лет назад

    i fought deen so I wouldn't have to deal with any more mages. am I wrong for that

  • @grayshore7683
    @grayshore7683 7 лет назад

    Probably will pick Sonia for my first run then Deen the second if only bc of the sheer volume of potential mercs in celicas route and the fact that mages are the best class hands down
    I honestly don't get why people bitch about the ad opening? like it's a utube vid there's an option to skip ahead if ya don't want to watch it and at least it's less annoying than utubes regular ads (if you don't have adblock or are watching on mobile (like me) you probably know which ones I'm talking about)
    But I digress, this was a good vid that covered all that we as future players will need to know and I appreciate that my dude hope you have a good day with less uploading issues in the future

  • @escotanner
    @escotanner 7 лет назад

    Should probably do this before I forget *subscribed*.

  • @GalacticHeroEtna
    @GalacticHeroEtna 7 лет назад +3

    I have to say the art in this game looks so good.

  • @Wulfenburg
    @Wulfenburg 7 лет назад +1

    Sacred stones is my favorite fire emblem :D I've been enjoying Echoes so much because of how much it reminds me of The two stories from Sacred Stones.

  • @kytim89
    @kytim89 5 лет назад

    Can a cheat device be used to have both Sonya and Deen?

  • @bennethbugna7795
    @bennethbugna7795 7 лет назад +7

    I chose Sonya in Gaiden and I didn't regret it. Looks like Deen's way better in Echoes especially his design. Hmmmmm... yeah, probably still choose Sonya xD

    • @ablastno41
      @ablastno41 7 лет назад

      Deen was better in Gaiden too lol

  • @inyourwifi
    @inyourwifi 6 лет назад

    really, dude? the first 2:00 of this 11 minute video was spent on an ad? you couldnt sum up what the ad does in 30 seconds?

  • @SonovaDragon
    @SonovaDragon 7 лет назад +1

    So many choices! Hm. I might choose Sonia the first time. I'm excited for Echoes!

  • @hispanicabassonica8901
    @hispanicabassonica8901 6 лет назад

    Does no one mention the supports of Sonya and her bewitched sisters in the final battle?

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  6 лет назад

      I made this video before the game launched, and even still I would have wanted to avoid spoilers, but yes, Sonya's supports may be a reason to pick her over Deen as she has a bit more actual story relevance. Deen is more of a drifter.

  • @vincentthelego7967
    @vincentthelego7967 9 месяцев назад

    I kind of regret getting Sonya in Gaiden, and for the unexpected reason being that the patch of my game would always crash the moment i wanted to use Excalibur. So, unfortunately that meant a lot of magic users ended up unusable as a result.

  • @Rengor1997
    @Rengor1997 7 лет назад +11

    Thing is that in the original Gaiden, Deen was infinitely better. He had better bases, was only 5 levels from promotion to Dread Fighter and the swamps in chapter 4 hinder the usability of any mage to the point of redundant - not to mention Sonia only really had Excallibur and nothing else.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      Fair point, and with the Dread fighter loop perhaps long-term he could be fine, but I'm not sure anyone actually cared enough to do that with him and train him back up. It's really always been a hard choice lol

    • @Rengor1997
      @Rengor1997 7 лет назад +3

      Deen is even better now because Dread Fighters got that "Half damage from magic" skill which is even better than the higher res boost in the original AS WELL as the fact Dread Fighters now have 7 movement instead of 6. Meanwhile Sonia is stuck with 4 movement in Shrek Land, not to mention Mae is now good.
      Picking either won't hurt you in the long run but Deen was and is, even moreso now, strictly better.

    • @Rengor1997
      @Rengor1997 7 лет назад

      Alex huh true. Makes DFs even better then.

  • @ParagonFury
    @ParagonFury 7 лет назад +3

    Hot booby Mage vs. semi-cool dude but you also get a bunch of similar units of?
    Not even a contest.

  • @roseswaxcandle
    @roseswaxcandle 7 лет назад

    Is this only on celicas route?
    I was going to pick dean but then thought Sonya would be good too so idk

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      +Chris CraftHD Yes this is Celica's route. I guess you'll just have to play through the game twice ;)

    • @roseswaxcandle
      @roseswaxcandle 7 лет назад

      Yea i guess I'll have to. I just don't know if it would be worth it because FE has good plot and once I finish the story I think it might not be fun if I played through it again for a few characters and new class ideas.

  • @morcatna4767
    @morcatna4767 7 лет назад

    This was so helpful! (echoes) Thankyou!
    Just to clarify, you can only recruit one of them right?

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +1

      Yes, and the one you run up to and fight on the world map is the one you *DON'T* get. So fight the one you don't want.

    • @morcatna4767
      @morcatna4767 7 лет назад

      ohhhh thank you! I appreciate all you do :D

  • @ryukreya45
    @ryukreya45 6 лет назад

    2 minutes advertisement at the start without a skip button? wow thats some courage right there

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  6 лет назад +1

      Sorry about that, they required it for the sponsorship for this episode. I know it's not the way to go!

    • @ryukreya45
      @ryukreya45 6 лет назад

      Nah dude its fine, i know how sponsorships can be. I personally don't have a huge problem with it, i just called it courageous because you were brave enough to do it even tho it could be annoying to some people. I hope that such peeps don't give you too much hate for that. And hey, showing off the funktions it has can be entertaining or interesting to some people :D

  • @DominicanStud101
    @DominicanStud101 7 лет назад

    I defeated Sonya, and no one is holding the steel shield and it's not in my inventory! Someone care to explain what happened?! I am going crazy over this.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      She should have dropped it. It's not in the convoy? Was your convoy full or something?

  • @sigil4205
    @sigil4205 7 лет назад

    Can somebody me explain the res growth to me? Why are they 0%? I just can't wrap my brain around it. Thanks in advance.

    • @konnorkent8113
      @konnorkent8113 7 лет назад

      It's probably something to poke fun at everyone's 0% res growth in Gaiden.

    • @Sp0okeh
      @Sp0okeh 7 лет назад

      all magic in Gaiden has fixed hit rate, and it'll be imbalanced if units were to have decent res growth. the enemy mages would be VERY weak having fixed hitrate and weak magic.

    • @Puchuns285ShutubEdition
      @Puchuns285ShutubEdition 7 лет назад

      It's just that RES was almost non-existent on the first two FE games. For example, all playable and enemy units in FE1 have 0 base RES and a 0% RES growth, and the only way to get RES was by using a Talisman. In Gaiden some classes have base RES like Mages, Clerics, Pegasus Knights and Dread Fighters, but everyone still had 0% RES growth. They made a little change in Echoes in that some characters actually have a RES growth, but they are usually really low and under 10%. For example, Est has a 3% RES growth.

    • @sigil4205
      @sigil4205 7 лет назад

      Ok, thanks that helped clear it up.

  • @Eric-vg1fl
    @Eric-vg1fl 7 лет назад

    7:19 The Brave Sword doesn't have it's normal doubling attribute, it's still a Killing Edge. you must be thinking of Alm's Royal Sword skill Double Lion, and even with that, you can't attack 4 times

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      +Eric Hagar Unfortunately at the time I made this, the game wasn't out in America and based on the research I did it seemed that they had updated it, but alas I was wrong. Sorry about that!

  • @ArmisXDD
    @ArmisXDD 6 лет назад

    I never played Gaiden before Echoes came out so when I got to that point, I thought that you had to fight whoever you wanted to keep. I wanted to use Sonya for my first playthrough (mainly because I remembered her from Heroes), so I fought her. I didn't realize that I'd actually get Deen because of it. Even then, I wasn't disappointed. Deen became my best Dread Fighter on Celica's route, and was about even with Grey, maybe even a bit better.

  • @Artemas_16
    @Artemas_16 7 лет назад

    I don't understand, magic isn't weapon? Mages can both attack and hold shield or other item?

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      +Артем Горбов Yes there are no spellbook items in Garden and Echoes, makes just know spells in a list so they can also equip an item still!

    • @wakkaseta8351
      @wakkaseta8351 7 лет назад

      And yet they still have WT?

    • @Artemas_16
      @Artemas_16 7 лет назад

      oh, thanks. Cood video, btw.

  • @Yakubi
    @Yakubi 7 лет назад +1

    I'm playing Gaiden right now so when I play echoes, I'll see the differences. It's a fun game but man it's crazy how such a small change like this could affect gameplay!

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      It definitely is! Thanks for watching :)

  • @loneaquila
    @loneaquila 7 лет назад

    Are the Mages and Archers gonna be OP in this game compared to the melee classes?

  • @shishoe5219
    @shishoe5219 7 лет назад

    I was going to choose either one of them based on how my party was doing but seeing that Sonya gets freaking Rewarp AND Entrap has solidified my choice. I'm just gonna use her for support unless Mae and Boey really get screwed but it's not like that's as big of a problem as in other games due to how promotions work.

  • @paleface171
    @paleface171 7 лет назад

    I went with Deen because he gets the Dreadfighter class, and adding a Brave Sword and "A" Rank with Jesse he can usually two shot anything that is not armored in one turn.

  • @isumademonfox8913
    @isumademonfox8913 7 лет назад

    how many recruits are gonna be on echoes?

  • @theravingtimes9582
    @theravingtimes9582 7 лет назад

    Sonya's vast pool of white and black magic compared to Deen's beefy stats will make her valuable for my Hard Mode playthrough. However, I intend to go after Deen first and make Atlas and eventually Kamui mages so I can get access to Rescue and Freeze respectively. In my second playthrough which will likely become my main file, I'll get Sonya (and turn Atlas into an archer) since I want to gain access to all of the spells in this file, which also involves turning Faye into a cleric.

  • @ariariadne
    @ariariadne 7 лет назад

    I think Deen was fairly underrated in the original Gaiden purely because having tons of Dread Fighters was never bad. So I'll definitely be recruiting him first this time around as well. But I'll probably copy my save file to get both in a row, I'll just play the Deen file out first.

  • @Odang77
    @Odang77 5 лет назад

    Ik im late and all but I figure I might as well state my opinion;
    In echoes i honestly think you should choose sonya because as you stated, Atlas makes a terrific Mercenary, and with him that brings uou a total of 4 in celica's group, and you bassically have 3 mages before hand if you count celica which with recruiting sonya, not only gives you another amazing mage but balances out the Merc vs mage thing in celicas group
    And another thing, though this may not be as important to some, while you can get the brave sword no matter who you choose, sonya doesnt drop her shield as an enemy, and by the time you recruit one of the two you'll be having enough trouble being able to give out swords to them all, especially since mae will be able to get a sword of her own if you so choose

  • @Shadic24367
    @Shadic24367 7 лет назад

    If entrap can work on The Creation, it would make that fight soooooo much easier, I went in there with nothing left on my mila turn wheel and nearly lost 6 of my units but survived without any deaths just barely

  • @galghoul3042
    @galghoul3042 5 лет назад +1

    The first time I played SoV I (with much much effort) defeated Sonya. It was a tragedy, because I misunderstood the dynamic, and thought that I had to defeat Sonya to recruit her, and was so stupid as to save the game immediately after winning the battle. So, being the stubborn human I am, started the game from scratch and defeated Deen instead so I could finally recruit Sonya.

  • @tonyatrache9790
    @tonyatrache9790 7 лет назад

    there are going to be dlc classes, Nintendo confirmed them, I can't remember the other ones, but one of them is the Spartan class, look it up

  • @marylouisewest426
    @marylouisewest426 4 года назад +1

    I chose deem the first time having no idea the difference between the two by that I mean I didn’t know you could recruit Sonya but Sonya is superior by far!

  • @dakotafisher8400
    @dakotafisher8400 7 лет назад

    This game looks great. I can't wait until May 19th!

  • @mechwarreir2
    @mechwarreir2 7 лет назад

    They should release both holy war and thracia 776 at the same time and make thracia a DLC extra route to holy war just like how fates had DLC routes. Thracia was kinda like a DLC anyway, but SNES didn't have wifi back then

  • @hewhowatches7444
    @hewhowatches7444 7 лет назад

    I like Deans redesign a lot more, I also chose Sonia both times I played through Gaiden, so I'm picking Dean this time.

  • @alexakristina1785
    @alexakristina1785 7 лет назад

    I LIVE FOR YOUR COVER OF VALENTIA HONESTLY THE ONLY CHANNEL I TRUST

  • @ange0919
    @ange0919 7 лет назад

    I got Sonya in my game, I was not sure how to get Deen during my first time of playing the game. Sonya in my game was pretty decent, other then the one up levels (but every Fire Emblem has that). I am going to try for the other unit next though, I am glad he gets better in the remake though.

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      +ange0919 Yeah that's what's cool is that next time you play you can get the other one and have a much different experience with the.!

  • @miguel_H.C
    @miguel_H.C 7 лет назад

    I prefer A LOT more Deen´s desing than Sonya´s, but I think that, in my first walktrought, I will pick Sonya, beacouse of my army´s strategy (I will make Atlas a Mercenary too XD)
    But this video has thanked me a lot to pick up my units this time, thank you a lot!
    (Sorry if there are grammatical or ortografical errors, I´m not english úwù)

  • @Gchampion89
    @Gchampion89 7 лет назад

    Echoes
    Cool Video, I plan on getting Sonia first this time

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад

      Thank you for watching! Have fun!

  • @SolSpeedpaints
    @SolSpeedpaints 7 лет назад +10

    i picked deen bc he's really hot and edgy ngl

    • @lucky_crit
      @lucky_crit  7 лет назад +4

      I like his redesign, too!

  • @konnorkent8113
    @konnorkent8113 7 лет назад

    4:17 Your comments here imply that you only get the Brave Sword/Steel Shield if you recruit Deen/Sonia respectively.