I’m heading off this weekend with a friend for a post-covid weekend camping experience. Thanks for the info as it inspired me to downsize my arctic sleeping bag to something more reasonable - now have a 1-bag travel solution. Thanks Matt from Australia.
After my 1st moto camp I have found your video to be so true, especially on the one man bivvy tent I got (definitely need to upgrade to least a 2 person tent to put in my gear). I should have seen your video before hand.
Hello from Los Angeles... I have the Marchway cot $76 - 4.8lbs. I recall it was steep to buy this cot, but of all activities during camping, having a good night sleep is most important. Being tired the next day is not good especially if there is a long ride ahead. To me, its worth the price as I keep it long term.. Love it. Fits great inside a 2 man tent. 2.5 minutes to set up inside the tent when it rains. I sleep so much better and it does not spring an air leak. Very strong as well. I love the most is I can sit on the cot as I organize or clean up inside the tent.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I am planning my 1st motorcycle camping trip and found your comments very helpful. I generally tend to "over-pack", so I've learned a few lessons here. Greeting from South Africa!
Hey Nev, What did you learn on your trip, I'm heading from Johannesburg to Cape Town in December, also my first adventure...any tips for me, Thanks Wes
@@uubee4443 Hey Wes, Oh wow bud, I learned a few things! Firstly, a good night's sleep is critical. If you're going to sleep in a tent, make sure it's big enough to store your gear (and is well ventilated, as it will be hot in December). Ensure you have a good quality camping mat (or inflatable mattress) and do a dry run first. It took a bit of "trial & error" before I got comfortable. Check your camp sites carefully as most camping sites in SA are NOT bike friendly. Next time, I'll leave the tent behind and just book into guest houses along the way 🤣I used a small gas cooker for coffee, and the odd warm soup, but if you plan your trip properly, you'll be able to buy most of this stuff at stores on the way, and eliminate the need for these extras. Prepare for rain! I encountered quite a bit of rain, and found that my rainsuit wasn't too waterproof around the crotch area - not fun having a wet butt! Thankfully my spare clothing was prepacked in waterproof/drybags bags, inside my panniers, so nothing got wet. Riding in the rain is horrible, and overtaking a truck that's throwing up a large spray is almost suicidal - take great care and don't be impatient! Thankfully I encountered no mechanical or puncture problems, but packed a substantial tool kit, as well as a small DC air compressor, and puncture repair kit. Work out what you may need (plan for the worst & hope for the best). One item that I found very handy was my small external power supply/powerbank, which ensured I could charge my phone every night, when camping, giving me constant contact with my family & friends. The last thing I can think of is a comfortable small camp chair (like a Hellinox). I thought I'd be clever and sit on one of my hard panniers, but a back rest makes all the difference. If there wasn't a tree close-by, I had no back rest. Travel safely and don't be in a hurry. Be in the moment, and ENJOY the ride!! Avoid night travel, as you won't see animals, potholes, or rocks on the road! I hope this helps bud!
@@nevillecartwright7292 Hey Nev, wow man thanks for responding. I appreciate your time and advice. I'll definitely take not of everything you said. Thanks again and keep in touch. Are you riding again at any time, where are you based?
@@uubee4443 apologies for the delayed reply. I don't have a trip planned for the immediate future as I'll be overseas in December, but I'm sure I'll figure something out for the new year. I live in Lonehill, Johannesburg. Where are you bud?
I am a backpacker so it works out good to use my small lightweight hiking gear for kayak camping and Motocamping as well :) One set for everything but started out hiking with big heavy gear at one point and learned all the same lessons !
Good advice here. I have a backpacking background and have spent at least two continuous months on the trail so nothing new here for me. Since I've gotten involved with motorcycle camping I've noticed that most (not all) moto campers take way too much and often too heavy gear. For instance I've seen guys bring axes, shovels and even hammers to drive in tent stakes. For my two month hike I brought a pen knife with about a one inch blade and a toothpick and never wanted or needed more. I even cooked with a tiny wood stove to eliminate carrying fuel. My advice to moto campers is to study long distance thru hikers gear lists. And as you found out lightweight gear comes at a price. You are paying for lost ounces. Keep up the good work. I recently bought a 390Adventure and have found your site to be very valuable.
@@advmatt It already has! I've done the MABDR, the NEBDR and some local stuff here in NY Adirondacks. It beats the hell out of strapping it on your back! I have a 690 and a 390.
Great video. I love my Alps Mountaineering cot, but only pack it for bike rally camping where I’m not breaking camp everyday. It fits well in my Marmot Limelight 2...great 2 person tent...packs down to 18x7”/6.5 lbs...with lots of headroom and room for all my gear...generous vestibules on both sides. Sleeping pad is a Nemo Tensor insulated long wide.
I like it but don’t have long term experience with it. I have a zero degree sleeping bag, but decided to try a quilt (UGQ brand, custom made) that I could use for 3 season camping. But the key to sleeping with a quilt (since it doesn’t have a back) is to use an insulated sleeping pad with a good R-value, hence the Nemo. There’s probably half a dozen or more RUclips videos that I watched comparing this model with other brands before purchasing. Nemo has a lifetime warranty, but in reality I think that’s if there’s an internal baffle failure or seam failure, which wouldn’t cover punctures resulting from normal use.
Good tips! If anyone here is looking for a firepit/grill to cook on UCO makes the FLATPACK folding grill/firepit in two sizes the large one is 4lb and the small is 1lb 14oz, smaller one works just fine for a solo rider to BBQ supper. There is also the Firebox stoves, the Freestyle in titanium is configurable from ultra small to almost as big as the one you show here, but much lighter. Since switching to a stick stove, works really well when allowed to have a fire, compact safe and less work than a big ol bonfire!
Or, use a cookie tin that you get for Christmas, fill it with charcoal and a piece of Duraflame log, find a grill that’ll fit on top of it, and there you go. That is, if you’re at a place where you can’t gather firewood, or there isn’t any.
Thank you. For ultralight equipment is good to see the people with bicycles that travel through the world.Some of them use the most ultralight equipment.
I told a new rider that wanted to start moto camping to buy a down bag for reducing size and weight. I happen to own an old American made Marmot Gore-Tex 15 degree Nighthawk bag circa 1985 that stuffs down to the size of a small loaf of bread. Great video on do's and dont's.
My only mistake similar to yours was, trying to get my cot to get into my 1 man tent. I ended up taking out the fabric and used it as a mat (the ground was even). Luckily, I am is Malaysia, the night was not very “cold”, only around 18C. I had 15C Sleeping so, it was not an issue. Nowadays, most of the time, I only use Air Mattress. Smaller & Lighter.
Right on Matt!! I did basically he same thing when I had my Ninja 650R!! My big huge error was traveling with this huge foam self inflating mattress on my bike. Comfortable but took up more room than almost all my gear put together!!
Very useful indeed. I'm still taking my cot as it'll fit in my 2 man tent. I was going to pack a hammock, under quilt as well as blanketing but will leave the hammock system at home and stick with the tent-cot system.
Great video, Matt. Agree with everything you said. I went from extended backpack trips to moto-camping so the transition was easy. I cover my camping gear in my Pine Creek Campground video. Thanks for posting.
yup. that was good. i have a 3 man/person tent, rolls up really small might way 2-3 lbs. i have one of those SS put together wood burning stoves, less than a lb. i need a mattress and sleeping bag, so i am watching a lot of YT videos. i need a lot more stuff, i plan on leaving Florida in a year from now, going to AZ. or NV. but your video is a good teaching tool. i noticed the bike in the back ground. i will be riding a Honda Rebel 500. gonna have too pick my trails into the desert. it's definetly not an off road.' bike. happy camping..
Great Video, Thanks for being so honest and open. It isnt easy to talk about mistakes, but when we learn we usually learn from mistakes. All of us have been down that road, somtimes cheaper sometimes a lot of exensive stuff (i can tell be my own experience, dont remind me of that :-D). I am preparing my stuff for the first bigger trip and am watching a lot of information, yours was really useful, because it doesnt have hidden ads in it. cheers from switzerland
Lots of great advice Matt hopefully you've saved people starting out from wasting cash I made almost identical mistakes to you accept no fire pit or cot but when I started out I ended up taking way way too much kit for bike touring. I used a chair that you are currently using but have since changed to one that has a higher back but takes up almost the same space as the low back. Not sure you can get them in the states (£21 from a UK store called The Range) The tents I use are also not around in the states one German the other UK (both made in China there's a surprise) I use a Trangia to cook on with bio ethanol , a Vaude Terra trio 2p tent in the spring and fall 4lbs 5oz tough as old boots even in a gale, and a Trespass single skin Tipi in the summer 7lb but a nice 6ft 6 tall. Cheapo Chinese knock off air pad with a Highlander reflective mat on top for the colder weather works like a dream, air pillow but inside a cut down pillow case and an ancient (10 year old) Snugpak Autumn Chrysalis, Paratex filled sleeping bag which crunches down to a 10 x 7 inch pack and good down to around 30f happy riding Matt Lee
I have one petson tent and Helsport Fjelduk pro to use as rain jacket and tarp to extend my tent's vestibule to my motorcycle. I have a small bike and I has to make it work.
Great video. You should have seen the humongous Thermarest sleeping pad I used to bring when I first started motocamping. Comfortable but it was bigger than all my other luggage.
That camp stove for barbecue is a great idea. But I learned a better one from field and stream. Do you know those cookie tins that you get for Christmas every year? Fill them up with charcoal and way to ignite the charcoal, and a grill. And you have an instant barbecue
My first trip across Canada I used a $20 sleeping bag, (which every one said was disaster) , it turned out to be a good choice , but only with extra blankets as layering (when needed). The bag was a gift, the blankets free . Next the tent was a two man "A" frame ., it survived a tornado complete with hail storm, & while I got wet the tent stayed up & didn't rip .The stove I brought was a single burner propane , (it actually lasted 30 yrs before it clogged up)., butane is still more expensive, & not readily available in my area .My new, ten yr old sleeping bag was bought at Walmart in the middle of winter .,$49.00., the secret to transporting it, is get a small bag & compress it ., then put it in another bag & crush it with bungee cords. What I'm trying say is "don't let the lack of expensive gear hold you back "., A huge sleeping bag is a problem of compression , but a medium bag is only a slight inconvenience , especially if you are destination camping where you don't have to compress the thing every night.I'm an out of shape 66yr old & I still don't bring a chair .My tent however is 9X7 ft with an air mattress .Tent poles I put rubber bands from old inner tubes around ,& they go under the carrier or on the bottom layer .In a park they usually provide you with a grill, & outside their scrutiny you can use what ever.
I use a 1 man tent. My helmet and gear lives outside on the bike all day, so why should it sleep in the tent with me at night? I do have a 10’x13’ tarp that I cover the tent and gear if needed, small tents suck in the rain, but I like the small pack size and tent poles, and quick setup.
Thanks for posting a great video on how NOT to do it! There are SO MANY (sponsored) sites extolling the virtues of $500 tents and $300 sleeping bags. This video provided more information than the last several I've watched.
I think I have an advantage being an ultra-light backpacker AND a moto-camper / moto-backpacker. Only difference is the luggage, carrying a tiny tire repair kit w/compressor, and multi-tool. But that's it :) PS, get an Enlightened Equipment 0 degree quilt/sleeping bag. Super small, comfortable, and warm.
@@advmatt Yeah Enlightened Equipment is a staple in the backpacking community. Mine has kept me warm in 15 degree weather. And you get to customize your colors :)
smaller, better quality, fewer, more comfort, waterproof and secure packing (dual tie down) . every long trip I have made, I had a list of stuff I bought , stuff I would have left at home and stuff I want to be better/smaller. Love my Kermit chair.
My big Agnes 1 man has enough room for all my riding gear inside. It's a discontinued rattlesnake, but there must be something else like it out there. A great tent - never feel stiflked or cramped due to its clever shape.
i'm finding it very useful your mistakes may save me time and money by not doing what you did. but i do want a 2 man tent like you for room to store my stuff. but what do you think of a blow up tent. because i have plans for 2023 i plan on making the scooter cannon ball run from south California to the east coast on something 279cc or smaller. and my plans is to get a motel one day a week. and thats only for showers and wash cloths. so any info i can get will help.
I am not familiar with a blow up tent. My suggestion is to carry the lightest 2 man tent you can find, whichever kind that might be. Sounds like fun adventure.
Interesting that you were sitting on the cot at the end of the video. Dont give up on that item just yet. I have the one from Helinox and although it was expensive, works fine as i just cant sleep on the ground anymore.
I gave up on it. The cot is just too big and heavy for moto travel that involves a lot of offroad riding. I had a tent I couldn't get it into which forced me to retire it. I have a 3" thermorest mattress that I sleep really well on. Thanks for watching.
tip: even large sleeping bags and tents can be shrunk down very small if you buy a better compression sack and use it properly just saying because the massive one at the start of the video could be a lot smaller if you strap it down tight
REI 3 person tent.. UGQ Bandit quilt. Exped mega pillow. Exped Megamat. I camp off of my HD Road Glide, so the space isn't as much of a concern and I sleep like a baby.
@@advmatt you'll love it if you do. Its thicker so it supports your head, wide so you don't roll off, has attachment loops to keep it in place on your pad ( I use an elastic band ) and packs down to size of a soda can.
I didn't see the chair at first and I thinkin....... this dude can squat the fucking world then i saw it haha love your GS man such a nice bike! I'm checkin out those pillows now
2 longest trips, 14&25 days no mattress, just slept on clothes under sleeping bag. No problem. Didn't have room for it anyway. 2man tent solo is perfect. A lite bike cover is worth it's weight too.
I pack two 40 lit dry bags, side cases, top case, top case grill and in the off chance should i need more room a 10-21 lit. tank bag. And here's the reason why.....it always happens you didn't bring something you have because you thought you'll didn't need for this occasion.....so I saddle up everything , a baike is a two person vehicle😉😁😁😁😁
Hi there! Greeting from Poland! Those tips are usefull not only for bikers. I`m looking for portable camprire kit, any recomendations? Cant find anything like you got.
Tip #1 when purchasing camping equipment for moto camping - just buy decent quality low weight/small size hiking equipment for your tent,sleep pad, sleeping bag, pillow, cooking gear etc.
Here is the link the exact grill. I agree, it is great for car camping. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DM0QGVC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=advmatt2020-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00DM0QGVC&linkId=d81772e2efa6c29cf04a56cfcd0a8593
Actually that grill would be perfect for windy conditions and would make it easy to get a fire going in damp conditions also all you would have to do is add some of those tablets 🤔
I'm gearing up for the Trans America Trail with my son (15 yr old) and I'm pushing 50. I'm concerned about sleeping comfortably. I plan to sleep in my hammock when weather alows. I have to ask, is that cot for sale. I have a roomy 2 man tent I paid up for, I think it will work great in it.
I like the video, but disagree on the tent. I have that exact same one, and I fit just fine with my riding gear, you just didn't put it in correctly. The helmet doesn't go by your head, it goes in the corner to the side of your feet, the pants and jacket lay to the side of your legs, clothes and toiletries (I keep mine in a small backpack), fit on the other side of your feet - you don't need room down there when you're in a sleeping bag and can't separate your legs anyway. The only thing near my head is my tablet and water bottle where they are convenient. Phone and headlamp go in the pouch on the top. I have waterproof panniers and keep my camping gear in a dry bag strapped on top, so there's no need to bring anything else into the tent. A compression sack for the sleeping bag is a huge space saver. Most of the smaller bags come with a compression sack, but thought it was worth mentioning if someone wanted a cheap upgrade I have one of those foam pillows, and will be replacing it with what you suggested. Also, if you're just going for one night, I'd recommend skipping the fire/cooking and just bring food you can eat without heating - sandwiches, fruit, nuts, canned tuna, etc.
You put the one man tent on top of the cot and lay the mattress down inside the tent.. I'm pretty sure that's where they got the idea for the one-man tent cot they sell
Iv done a fair bit camping. And the main rule is keep it very simple. Chair ? Your moterbike is your chair. Sleeping bags ultra thin. If its cold get in with all your day clothes water proofs if its realey cold. Use your tent bag as a store all so if your looking for tooth brush shaver anything its in the tent bag keep it simple..
I am with you on keeping it simple. That is still a work in progress for me. I still need a warm sleeping bag. Camping in the mountains at 10k feet, even in the summer, means near freezing temps. My down bag packs pretty small and offers good warmth. Thanks for watching.
You're so right. But the biggest mistake is the bmw in the back. Why should you ride a bike like that?a smaller bike will do the job as well and the money you save, for that money you can buy excellent camping gear.
As I look at the massive GS behind you I can’t help a wonder why you care about the weight. Hand to heart unless you’re managing to stack on 100 pounds of gear the weight doesn’t matter.
Humor, is watching people try to achieve 'backpack' sizes and weights, while staying on a Wallie World budget. Seriously...a 'ZPacks' 20F water-resistant down bag is going to set you back $400 and take 4-5 weeks to order in! (packs to 7-inch diameter, 14-inches long) (heads-up, a Teton LEEF gets MIGHTY close to those same volumes for $90, though, and is an EXCELLENT bag for the price). Throw in a Neo-Rest (Therma-Rest) X-Therm inflatable air pad at $260, a mylar sheet, a true military 'poncho liner'...and you have almost $800 in a bed, alone! A good packable 2-man tent will set you back another $250...then stackable, packable mess kit, flat-fold (wood fuel) stove, camel-bak water bladder, first aid kit and shaving kit...you could EASILY be approaching $2,000...and this is a 'starter set' (where you CONSTANTLY chase weight and volume, henceforth)...then again, if you're riding a $10k Tenere to get there...in reality, it's NOT a 'big reach' to assume you'll spend that much on the campsite.
One of the best moto camping gear videos I’ve watched. I was about to make the 1 person tent mistake, definitely going 2 person.
I’m heading off this weekend with a friend for a post-covid weekend camping experience. Thanks for the info as it inspired me to downsize my arctic sleeping bag to something more reasonable - now have a 1-bag travel solution. Thanks Matt from Australia.
After my 1st moto camp I have found your video to be so true, especially on the one man bivvy tent I got (definitely need to upgrade to least a 2 person tent to put in my gear). I should have seen your video before hand.
A two person tent really comes in handy when its raining.
Hello from Los Angeles... I have the Marchway cot $76 - 4.8lbs. I recall it was steep to buy this cot, but of all activities during camping, having a good night sleep is most important. Being tired the next day is not good especially if there is a long ride ahead. To me, its worth the price as I keep it long term.. Love it. Fits great inside a 2 man tent. 2.5 minutes to set up inside the tent when it rains. I sleep so much better and it does not spring an air leak. Very strong as well. I love the most is I can sit on the cot as I organize or clean up inside the tent.
I need to look into that cot. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Thank you for sharing your experiences with us. I am planning my 1st motorcycle camping trip and found your comments very helpful. I generally tend to "over-pack", so I've learned a few lessons here. Greeting from South Africa!
Can’t wait for the SA border to open, and do a SADC tour from Tanzania
Hey Nev,
What did you learn on your trip, I'm heading from Johannesburg to Cape Town in December, also my first adventure...any tips for me, Thanks Wes
@@uubee4443 Hey Wes,
Oh wow bud, I learned a few things! Firstly, a good night's sleep is critical. If you're going to sleep in a tent, make sure it's big enough to store your gear (and is well ventilated, as it will be hot in December). Ensure you have a good quality camping mat (or inflatable mattress) and do a dry run first. It took a bit of "trial & error" before I got comfortable.
Check your camp sites carefully as most camping sites in SA are NOT bike friendly. Next time, I'll leave the tent behind and just book into guest houses along the way 🤣I used a small gas cooker for coffee, and the odd warm soup, but if you plan your trip properly, you'll be able to buy most of this stuff at stores on the way, and eliminate the need for these extras.
Prepare for rain! I encountered quite a bit of rain, and found that my rainsuit wasn't too waterproof around the crotch area - not fun having a wet butt! Thankfully my spare clothing was prepacked in waterproof/drybags bags, inside my panniers, so nothing got wet. Riding in the rain is horrible, and overtaking a truck that's throwing up a large spray is almost suicidal - take great care and don't be impatient!
Thankfully I encountered no mechanical or puncture problems, but packed a substantial tool kit, as well as a small DC air compressor, and puncture repair kit. Work out what you may need (plan for the worst & hope for the best).
One item that I found very handy was my small external power supply/powerbank, which ensured I could charge my phone every night, when camping, giving me constant contact with my family & friends.
The last thing I can think of is a comfortable small camp chair (like a Hellinox). I thought I'd be clever and sit on one of my hard panniers, but a back rest makes all the difference. If there wasn't a tree close-by, I had no back rest.
Travel safely and don't be in a hurry. Be in the moment, and ENJOY the ride!! Avoid night travel, as you won't see animals, potholes, or rocks on the road!
I hope this helps bud!
@@nevillecartwright7292 Hey Nev, wow man thanks for responding. I appreciate your time and advice. I'll definitely take not of everything you said. Thanks again and keep in touch. Are you riding again at any time, where are you based?
@@uubee4443 apologies for the delayed reply. I don't have a trip planned for the immediate future as I'll be overseas in December, but I'm sure I'll figure something out for the new year. I live in Lonehill, Johannesburg. Where are you bud?
I am a backpacker so it works out good to use my small lightweight hiking gear for kayak camping and Motocamping as well :) One set for everything but started out hiking with big heavy gear at one point and learned all the same lessons !
great tips!!!! I will cancel getting my ultralight 1 man tent!! It rains a LOT here in the UK and leaving stuff outside the tent is not viable!
Thank you for being very honest about purchase mistakes, takes guts to let the world know.
Good advice here. I have a backpacking background and have spent at least two continuous months on the trail so nothing new here for me. Since I've gotten involved with motorcycle camping I've noticed that most (not all) moto campers take way too much and often too heavy gear. For instance I've seen guys bring axes, shovels and even hammers to drive in tent stakes. For my two month hike I brought a pen knife with about a one inch blade and a toothpick and never wanted or needed more. I even cooked with a tiny wood stove to eliminate carrying fuel. My advice to moto campers is to study long distance thru hikers gear lists. And as you found out lightweight gear comes at a price. You are paying for lost ounces. Keep up the good work. I recently bought a 390Adventure and have found your site to be very valuable.
Great advice. Moving to the moto will open a lot travel for you.
@@advmatt It already has! I've done the MABDR, the NEBDR and some local stuff here in NY Adirondacks. It beats the hell out of strapping it on your back! I have a 690 and a 390.
Great video. I love my Alps Mountaineering cot, but only pack it for bike rally camping where I’m not breaking camp everyday. It fits well in my Marmot Limelight 2...great 2 person tent...packs down to 18x7”/6.5 lbs...with lots of headroom and room for all my gear...generous vestibules on both sides. Sleeping pad is a Nemo Tensor insulated long wide.
How do you like the Nemo pad? Sleeping in freezing temps lately and may need to upgrade if I keep this up. Thanks for watching.
I like it but don’t have long term experience with it. I have a zero degree sleeping bag, but decided to try a quilt (UGQ brand, custom made) that I could use for 3 season camping. But the key to sleeping with a quilt (since it doesn’t have a back) is to use an insulated sleeping pad with a good R-value, hence the Nemo. There’s probably half a dozen or more RUclips videos that I watched comparing this model with other brands before purchasing. Nemo has a lifetime warranty, but in reality I think that’s if there’s an internal baffle failure or seam failure, which wouldn’t cover punctures resulting from normal use.
The sleeping bag and big cushion, been there :D . Invested money and got something very small and warm.
Just a tip if you ever use the cot with the 1 man tent again, put the tent on top of the cot. Works super nice
WOW,really? Are you th same kind-of guy that puts his portable fire pit directly under his cot to stay warm at night😱
Good tips! If anyone here is looking for a firepit/grill to cook on UCO makes the FLATPACK folding grill/firepit in two sizes the large one is 4lb and the small is 1lb 14oz, smaller one works just fine for a solo rider to BBQ supper. There is also the Firebox stoves, the Freestyle in titanium is configurable from ultra small to almost as big as the one you show here, but much lighter. Since switching to a stick stove, works really well when allowed to have a fire, compact safe and less work than a big ol bonfire!
Great stove tip. I picked up a small stick stove last year and love it for cooking and small fires.
Or, use a cookie tin that you get for Christmas, fill it with charcoal and a piece of Duraflame log, find a grill that’ll fit on top of it, and there you go. That is, if you’re at a place where you can’t gather firewood, or there isn’t any.
Thank you. For ultralight equipment is good to see the people with bicycles that travel through the world.Some of them use the most ultralight equipment.
That intro was hilarious. 😂😂😂😂
I told a new rider that wanted to start moto camping to buy a down bag for reducing size and weight. I happen to own an old American made Marmot Gore-Tex 15 degree Nighthawk bag circa 1985 that stuffs down to the size of a small loaf of bread. Great video on do's and dont's.
Going with a down bag made such a difference. Thanks for watching.
My only mistake similar to yours was, trying to get my cot to get into my 1 man tent. I ended up taking out the fabric and used it as a mat (the ground was even). Luckily, I am is Malaysia, the night was not very “cold”, only around 18C. I had 15C Sleeping so, it was not an issue. Nowadays, most of the time, I only use Air Mattress. Smaller & Lighter.
Right on Matt!! I did basically he same thing when I had my Ninja 650R!! My big huge error was traveling with this huge foam self inflating mattress on my bike. Comfortable but took up more room than almost all my gear put together!!
Oh the lessons we have learn.
funny i just typed basically the same thing. I save the big mattress for truck camping now.
Thank you for the vid! Have been looking for a pillow without success. Will check out the air pillow you suggested.
I am still having difficulty finding a pillow that works for me. The air pillow is better but still not there yet.
@@advmatt Have a pillow option that I will be trying out this weekend. If it works, I will share.
Very useful indeed. I'm still taking my cot as it'll fit in my 2 man tent. I was going to pack a hammock, under quilt as well as blanketing but will leave the hammock system at home and stick with the tent-cot system.
Cot was comfortable, I miss that part for sure.
@@advmatt Thanks for the validation. It'll be my first cot experience. Thanks Matt
I love your nails and this was super helpful!
Thanks, Covid lockdowns led to some interesting activities for sure. Glad you found it helpful.
Great video, Matt. Agree with everything you said. I went from extended backpack trips to moto-camping so the transition was easy. I cover my camping gear in my Pine Creek Campground video. Thanks for posting.
Thanks, I will take a look at your video. Cheers
Go smaller is the best motorcycle slogan. Thanks for sharing.
yup. that was good. i have a 3 man/person tent, rolls up really small might way 2-3 lbs. i have one of those SS put together wood burning stoves, less than a lb. i need a mattress and sleeping bag, so i am watching a lot of YT videos. i need a lot more stuff, i plan on leaving Florida in a year from now, going to AZ. or NV. but your video is a good teaching tool. i noticed the bike in the back ground. i will be riding a Honda Rebel 500. gonna have too pick my trails into the desert. it's definetly not an off road.' bike. happy camping..
Good luck on your adventures.
Great Video, Thanks for being so honest and open. It isnt easy to talk about mistakes, but when we learn we usually learn from mistakes. All of us have been down that road, somtimes cheaper sometimes a lot of exensive stuff (i can tell be my own experience, dont remind me of that :-D).
I am preparing my stuff for the first bigger trip and am watching a lot of information, yours was really useful, because it doesnt have hidden ads in it.
cheers from switzerland
Removed the 1 man tent from my shopping cart .. thank you for taking the time to edit and post your video..💪💪👌
The alps lynx 1person tent is perfect. It packs tiny but it's big enough for me at 6'4" and it has a porch area to keep all your stuff in.
I like to keep my helmet and riding gear in the tent with me. I have had too many bugs in my helmet even hanging it off my bike. It is a good tent.
Reminded me of OJ trying on the gloves😳. Great video.
Lots of great advice Matt hopefully you've saved people starting out from wasting cash
I made almost identical mistakes to you accept no fire pit or cot but when I started out I ended up taking way way too much kit for bike touring.
I used a chair that you are currently using but have since changed to one that has a higher back but takes up almost the same space as the low back.
Not sure you can get them in the states (£21 from a UK store called The Range)
The tents I use are also not around in the states one German the other UK (both made in China there's a surprise)
I use a Trangia to cook on with bio ethanol , a Vaude Terra trio 2p tent in the spring and fall 4lbs 5oz tough as old boots even in a gale, and a Trespass single skin Tipi in the summer 7lb but a nice 6ft 6 tall.
Cheapo Chinese knock off air pad with a Highlander reflective mat on top for the colder weather works like a dream, air pillow but inside a cut down pillow case and an ancient (10 year old) Snugpak Autumn Chrysalis, Paratex filled sleeping bag which crunches down to a 10 x 7 inch pack and good down to around 30f
happy riding Matt
Lee
Wow, you have a great setup. Mine keeps changing every year. Losing stuff doesn't help. Cheers.
Great vid. I bet most viewers have made most of the same mistakes. I know I have. We live and we learn.
Fantastic video. I am looking to gather some gear for moto camping. Good stuff!
great video....I returned my Helinox cot....stupid expensive, but comfy. Went with a Neo Air self inflating pad...Almost as comfortable!
I have the Neo Air too, great pad, love it. Worth the price of a cot.
Thanks bud. Looking at a 21 goldwing and doing some camping along the way. This helps.
Thank you for the advice. I did like some of your ideas.
I have one petson tent and Helsport Fjelduk pro to use as rain jacket and tarp to extend my tent's vestibule to my motorcycle. I have a small bike and I has to make it work.
Doing what you have to. Right on!
Tent size should always be camper(s)+1 Thanks for sharing these tips.
Agree with everything but the cot. I love my cot and use with lean to quite often.
Yeah, I had several people tell me the same thing. I slept great on it when I did use it. I get it. Cheers.
man i laughed a lot about the sleeping bag size, thanks! 🤣
Great video. You should have seen the humongous Thermarest sleeping pad I used to bring when I first started motocamping. Comfortable but it was bigger than all my other luggage.
I did the same thing, but eventually ditched when it leaked.
Learned from hiking that a tent and sleeping bag was a bad idea.
Hammock and underquilt FTW.
I like that idea. I have been thinking about trying a hammock, problem is desert camping.
@@advmatt thats when you tie the rain fly/tarp to the bike and out to a rock/anchor (opposite of the kickstand) and double up the quilt to lay on.
Must watch for new campers. Great info
Thanks.
That camp stove for barbecue is a great idea. But I learned a better one from field and stream. Do you know those cookie tins that you get for Christmas every year? Fill them up with charcoal and way to ignite the charcoal, and a grill. And you have an instant barbecue
My first trip across Canada I used a $20 sleeping bag, (which every one said was disaster) , it turned out to be a good choice , but only with extra blankets as layering (when needed). The bag was a gift, the blankets free . Next the tent was a two man "A" frame ., it survived a tornado complete with hail storm, & while I got wet the tent stayed up & didn't rip .The stove I brought was a single burner propane , (it actually lasted 30 yrs before it clogged up)., butane is still more expensive, & not readily available in my area .My new, ten yr old sleeping bag was bought at Walmart in the middle of winter .,$49.00., the secret to transporting it, is get a small bag & compress it ., then put it in another bag & crush it with bungee cords. What I'm trying say is "don't let the lack of expensive gear hold you back "., A huge sleeping bag is a problem of compression , but a medium bag is only a slight inconvenience , especially if you are destination camping where you don't have to compress the thing every night.I'm an out of shape 66yr old & I still don't bring a chair .My tent however is 9X7 ft with an air mattress .Tent poles I put rubber bands from old inner tubes around ,& they go under the carrier or on the bottom layer .In a park they usually provide you with a grill, & outside their scrutiny you can use what ever.
Great tips thanks. I tried a medium weight bag and froze sleeping at 10k feet. I like the way you go about moto traveling.
Thank you super Video, less is more 👍👍👍👍🤗🤗🤗Reinhard out Germany
I use a 1 man tent.
My helmet and gear lives outside on the bike all day, so why should it sleep in the tent with me at night?
I do have a 10’x13’ tarp that I cover the tent and gear if needed, small tents suck in the rain, but I like the small pack size and tent poles, and quick setup.
I agree the packed size of a small tent is nice. If I just didnt rain when we were camping everything would be perfect.
Thanks for posting a great video on how NOT to do it! There are SO MANY (sponsored) sites extolling the virtues of $500 tents and $300 sleeping bags. This video provided more information than the last several I've watched.
I think I have an advantage being an ultra-light backpacker AND a moto-camper / moto-backpacker.
Only difference is the luggage, carrying a tiny tire repair kit w/compressor, and multi-tool. But that's it :)
PS, get an Enlightened Equipment 0 degree quilt/sleeping bag. Super small, comfortable, and warm.
I have been looking at quilt bags. Your kit is really small. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt Yeah Enlightened Equipment is a staple in the backpacking community. Mine has kept me warm in 15 degree weather. And you get to customize your colors :)
LOL @ the sleeping bag. OMG - Please do a video on finding Camping Spots, How to locate places for dispersed camping, etc.
Good video idea. I can work on that. I am moving so I have lots of new places to explore which should provide plenty of opportunities. Cheers.
Great information. Thanks!
smaller, better quality, fewer, more comfort, waterproof and secure packing (dual tie down) . every long trip I have made, I had a list of stuff I bought , stuff I would have left at home and stuff I want to be better/smaller. Love my Kermit chair.
I change what I take every trip. I need to look at the Kermit chair. Thanks for commenting.
My big Agnes 1 man has enough room for all my riding gear inside. It's a discontinued rattlesnake, but there must be something else like it out there. A great tent - never feel stiflked or cramped due to its clever shape.
The tent I use now is just barely bigger than a one person tent, and it works just fine, it's a bit tight, but packs well.
i'm finding it very useful your mistakes may save me time and money by not doing what you did. but i do want a 2 man tent like you for room to store my stuff. but what do you think of a blow up tent. because i have plans for 2023 i plan on making the scooter cannon ball run from south California to the east coast on something 279cc or smaller. and my plans is to get a motel one day a week. and thats only for showers and wash cloths. so any info i can get will help.
I am not familiar with a blow up tent. My suggestion is to carry the lightest 2 man tent you can find, whichever kind that might be. Sounds like fun adventure.
I bought a 3 person dome tent from my local Walmart that is smaller fully packed than that 1 person tent just gotta look for a tent that packs well
Not a bad idea. Next time I need a tent I will check them out. Thanks.
Interesting that you were sitting on the cot at the end of the video. Dont give up on that item just yet. I have the one from Helinox and although it was expensive, works fine as i just cant sleep on the ground anymore.
I gave up on it. The cot is just too big and heavy for moto travel that involves a lot of offroad riding. I had a tent I couldn't get it into which forced me to retire it. I have a 3" thermorest mattress that I sleep really well on. Thanks for watching.
tip: even large sleeping bags and tents can be shrunk down very small if you buy a better compression sack and use it properly
just saying because the massive one at the start of the video could be a lot smaller if you strap it down tight
Good tip.
I have the same issue with the sleeping bag. Have a huge one rated for 20oC but...... its too big!
REI 3 person tent.. UGQ Bandit quilt. Exped mega pillow. Exped Megamat. I camp off of my HD Road Glide, so the space isn't as much of a concern and I sleep like a baby.
I need to check out that pillow. I cant find one that works for me. Thanks for commenting.
@@advmatt you'll love it if you do. Its thicker so it supports your head, wide so you don't roll off, has attachment loops to keep it in place on your pad ( I use an elastic band ) and packs down to size of a soda can.
I didn't see the chair at first and I thinkin....... this dude can squat the fucking world
then i saw it haha
love your GS man such a nice bike! I'm checkin out those pillows now
Good info, first video I have watched that has great comparisons. How about links to the products you do like or recommend ?
I did a video on my must have items. I will work on one with what I carry soon. Thanks for watching.
2 longest trips, 14&25 days no mattress, just slept on clothes under sleeping bag. No problem. Didn't have room for it anyway. 2man tent solo is perfect. A lite bike cover is worth it's weight too.
That's roughing it, sleeping on clothes. Your hard core. Taking a bike cover is a great idea.
Just found your channel I also post motorcycle content. I am in Canada. Two-man tent for sure I need to find a way to put a better sleeping pad
Cool, I will check out your channel.
I pack two 40 lit dry bags, side cases, top case, top case grill and in the off chance should i need more room a 10-21 lit. tank bag. And here's the reason why.....it always happens you didn't bring something you have because you thought you'll didn't need for this occasion.....so I saddle up everything , a baike is a two person vehicle😉😁😁😁😁
Sounds like you have the kitchen sink in there somewhere.
@@advmatt And shower too 😂😂🍻🍻🍻
Very helpful video!
Hi there! Greeting from Poland! Those tips are usefull not only for bikers. I`m looking for portable camprire kit, any recomendations? Cant find anything like you got.
There is a small campfire stove made by Fire Box that looks pretty good. I havent tried it yet.
After much research, I purchased the Firebox. I opted the titanium version.
I bought a cheap version to try it. I am glad I had it with me over the weekend. I forgot Steve fuel. These little fire boxes work great.
Very knowledgeable and interesting video move ahead.....
Tip #1 when purchasing camping equipment for moto camping - just buy decent quality low weight/small size hiking equipment for your tent,sleep pad, sleeping bag, pillow, cooking gear etc.
Great tip, when I started moto camping I started with the car camping mentality, that didn't last long. I think I will forever be refining my kit.
That fire pit looks great for car camping. Can you supply details on that?
Here is the link the exact grill. I agree, it is great for car camping. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DM0QGVC/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&tag=advmatt2020-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&linkCode=as2&creativeASIN=B00DM0QGVC&linkId=d81772e2efa6c29cf04a56cfcd0a8593
@@advmatt Dude thanks! Added to cart for car camping when I can't take the bike.
Good info! I know I've made my mistakes! LOL
Great tips, thank you
Actually that grill would be perfect for windy conditions and would make it easy to get a fire going in damp conditions also all you would have to do is add some of those tablets 🤔
Out of all my one man tents the only one with enough room is the TCOP made by eureka for the military.
I am in a small 2 man tent and I barely fit. Maybe it's time for a hammock.
I'm gearing up for the Trans America Trail with my son (15 yr old) and I'm pushing 50. I'm concerned about sleeping comfortably. I plan to sleep in my hammock when weather alows. I have to ask, is that cot for sale. I have a roomy 2 man tent I paid up for, I think it will work great in it.
Sorry, I sold it last summer. Sounds like a great trip.
Lol. I made almost all of these mistakes too initially.
I like the video, but disagree on the tent. I have that exact same one, and I fit just fine with my riding gear, you just didn't put it in correctly. The helmet doesn't go by your head, it goes in the corner to the side of your feet, the pants and jacket lay to the side of your legs, clothes and toiletries (I keep mine in a small backpack), fit on the other side of your feet - you don't need room down there when you're in a sleeping bag and can't separate your legs anyway. The only thing near my head is my tablet and water bottle where they are convenient. Phone and headlamp go in the pouch on the top. I have waterproof panniers and keep my camping gear in a dry bag strapped on top, so there's no need to bring anything else into the tent.
A compression sack for the sleeping bag is a huge space saver. Most of the smaller bags come with a compression sack, but thought it was worth mentioning if someone wanted a cheap upgrade
I have one of those foam pillows, and will be replacing it with what you suggested.
Also, if you're just going for one night, I'd recommend skipping the fire/cooking and just bring food you can eat without heating - sandwiches, fruit, nuts, canned tuna, etc.
A grill? Dang i wanna go moto camping with you lol!
You put the one man tent on top of the cot and lay the mattress down inside the tent.. I'm pretty sure that's where they got the idea for the one-man tent cot they sell
Unless the wind comes up, which it always seems to be windy in the desert.
I will not compromise on my sleeping bag. Mine is big, bulky but dog gone it’s comfy, never let me cold and it was not because I cheaped out.
I dont blame you, I have spent many a night cold in the name of compact light weight packing.
I usually dont use a a pillow when i sleep. If i need one while camping i just grab my hoodie and bundle it under my head. 😂
I wish I could do that. I wake up with horrible neck cramps if my head isn't properly supported.
This has proper dad vibes😁
cool tips thanks.
Is that a Teton 0 degree? If so I got the same one and while it's very warm, it's impossible to use outside of car camping
Yep, you have a good eye. I camp a lot in freezing temperatures, but I now have the right bag for it.
@@advmatt that's something I need to remedy. I'm currently replacing a bunch of my gear with smaller, better quality stuff
Smaller, lighter and good quality will cost some but it is worth it.
Iv done a fair bit camping. And the main rule is keep it very simple. Chair ? Your moterbike is your chair. Sleeping bags ultra thin. If its cold get in with all your day clothes water proofs if its realey cold. Use your tent bag as a store all so if your looking for tooth brush shaver anything its in the tent bag keep it simple..
I am with you on keeping it simple. That is still a work in progress for me. I still need a warm sleeping bag. Camping in the mountains at 10k feet, even in the summer, means near freezing temps. My down bag packs pretty small and offers good warmth. Thanks for watching.
@@advmatt im from north Scotland with snow every month of the summer
You are hardcore, I should try to be more like you. I dont know, there are a few comforts I am having a hard time giving up.
@@advmatt google Balach Na Ba Scotland on moterbike..
I meant u.tube it
You gotta get a hammock… been hammock camping now over a year… my Northface tent now sits in the closet…
I have been told that a lot. I camp in the desert a lot. Hammock wont work out there. I have been looking into it.
@@advmatt nice… it’s easy in Japan.. depending on location I can pack both in case.. but usually there is always 2 trees around.. 👍🏻
You're so right. But the biggest mistake is the bmw in the back. Why should you ride a bike like that?a smaller bike will do the job as well and the money you save, for that money you can buy excellent camping gear.
I agree, if you check out my recent videos you will see I am riding a KTM 390 Adventure that I love.
Good information...
I have almost all of the same, or similar gear that you have in this video to start trying out some moto camping …. 🤦♂️
Just get out and do it.
Always learning!!!
I think the grill is a good idea !
A smaller one like the Firebox is a much better setup on the bike.
Wow. I'm thankful that I'm not prone to making mistakes. Very costly. But this will be helpfu to those that do.
😅 (sarcasm)
What is the name of that fire pit?
Fox Outfitters, I found it on Amazon.
Great vid!
i thought the cot was a joke in the intro until you showed it... :-P
You forgot to mention the biggest mistake that behemoth of a GS behind you.
It took me awhile but I finally learned and I now ride a bike 150lbs lighter. Small ADV bikes are the best.
This is where the ultra light hiking world can teach Moto campers about gear. A sub 10lb gear list is very doable
How comfortable is that in cold weather?
I used to carry a kitchen sink. Live and learn.
it wasn't your fault, it's the bike's fault! GS's tend to attract heavy, bulky gear after gear to like a tank with a geartower.
You can build up the dirt under each foot of the chair and that will help with comfort and getting up .
That sleeping bag is in a compression sack and you haven't compressed it 😂😂😂
Oh no, it was compressed, it was huge.
As I look at the massive GS behind you I can’t help a wonder why you care about the weight. Hand to heart unless you’re managing to stack on 100 pounds of gear the weight doesn’t matter.
I stopped riding the massive GS offroad. Partly because of the weight and partly because the cost to repair it is high.
Humor, is watching people try to achieve 'backpack' sizes and weights, while staying on a Wallie World budget. Seriously...a 'ZPacks' 20F water-resistant down bag is going to set you back $400 and take 4-5 weeks to order in! (packs to 7-inch diameter, 14-inches long) (heads-up, a Teton LEEF gets MIGHTY close to those same volumes for $90, though, and is an EXCELLENT bag for the price). Throw in a Neo-Rest (Therma-Rest) X-Therm inflatable air pad at $260, a mylar sheet, a true military 'poncho liner'...and you have almost $800 in a bed, alone! A good packable 2-man tent will set you back another $250...then stackable, packable mess kit, flat-fold (wood fuel) stove, camel-bak water bladder, first aid kit and shaving kit...you could EASILY be approaching $2,000...and this is a 'starter set' (where you CONSTANTLY chase weight and volume, henceforth)...then again, if you're riding a $10k Tenere to get there...in reality, it's NOT a 'big reach' to assume you'll spend that much on the campsite.
Yep, getting the weight down can cost a lot of money to handle everything mother nature can throw at you. Everything is a compromise.
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