GH , PLEASE DO A VIDEO ON THE 666 Sequence 😮. NUMEROLOGY : HOUSE ADDRESS 1122 =6 , DATE 11,13TH =6, YEAR 2020 =6 , ADD THEM UP 👆=666 . THIS HOUSE WAS THE TARGET 🎯. THIS WAS A SANTANIC MASS KILLING ... IT HAD TO TAKE PLACE ON THESES NUMBERS.
Nurse here. It is also possible the coroner was about to say “thoracic” area which is the medical term for upper chest. She may have changed it to a more simple term when speaking to non-medical persons.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates It could be that the heart area is the specific area , as it might have some symbolism for the killer and would be a death blow.
I'm a gun and knife guy... legally obviously... but one thing people my not realize is that getting and keeping a knife sharp enough to cut in the way you are saying is NOT easy (and I agree that's most likely what happened). Big blades are especially hard to get "sharp" because they are really wide... it's easier to get a thin knife sharp. Keeping a big blade sharp is easier however, Also cheap "knock-off" knives are usually low quality steel and dull very easily. It would be interesting to know his browser history as far as knife interest. Just hunting and field dressing deer and cleaning/butchering animals you realize real quick the difference between an "out of the box" edge and an actual sharpened edge. It takes experience to get good at sharpening... or you can pay a professional to do it. And to anyone that gets offended by my comment... I'm just sharing my view because I have experience. It's just a way of life where I am... it's super common to hunt/fish and carry guns and knives...
@@AdrianaLaCerva126 Does it have to be one or the other? I consider myself conscious of realities besides my own, yet I'm also a fan of true crime, so I'm not afraid of his description beyond the obvious horror over the murders themselves. If he were saying it with some kind of glee in this case, as so many like to do when talking about weapons, THAT would have been offensive.
I was doing some research on a Christmas gift, a knife sharpener. I found out that most hunting and machetes knifes are not sharp when they’re mailed out. It makes sense since I had sent knives out in the mail before to be sharpened, and there was very thorough instructions in how to pack them, it’s wasn’t easy.
I’m in agreement with @johnscustomsaws. Husband and his late father and both grandfathers were big outdoorsmen. I’ve seen them spend countless hours sharpening new knives and resharpening old ones whenever they sat to talk or listen. Each time a knife was used. And stored in a particular way. All the household knives, too.
@ johns- as a retired commercial carpenter, the ability to sharpen items is part of the job. Not limited to kitchen or filet knives but also wood chisels, lathe tools, wood planes, scrapers & such. Knowledge learned from my father, I still use oil stones, though some prefer diamond stones. I won’t let others use my filet knife- they Will cut themselves. It is a fact that new knives need to be sharpened. I don’t believe any sharpening items were listed in the searches. I would also speculate that BK gave his “special knife “ a name and treated it as if sacred…Hiding behind his “genius “ facade is a dangerous boy whom, if not caught would certainly reoffend….
Practically perfect video. Thanks so much. Finally, someone sticks their neck out and addresses the discrepancy with LE/PCA. v. The statements of the first kids that saw Ethan (and didn’t mention Xana). Either there’s an error in the PCA and the body seen from the hallway was Ethan’s. Or the face was so bloodied that facial recognition was impossible initially. I don’t think you could see the second body from the hallway.
Honestly, I don't think he would have killed Xana or Ethan had she not been awake and probably moving around. I think she saw BK and he took them out. I feel like Ethan could have put up a fight, but I think he was sleeping when he was attacked. According to the mattress they pulled out, we know it's not Xana's from her being found on the floor per the affidavit.
Totally agree. In time it will be clear that Madison was his target. That's the room he went to directly after entering the house and I don't think that was by accident. Madison I believe would have been his only victim but things went sideways from the start. He was surprised that Kaylee was there and she became his second victim. At that point he was probably going to flee. However Xana as we know was awake. She undoubtedly must have heard the massive commotion going on upstairs. I believe she went to investigate and was confronted by Kohberger as he came down the stairs. She would have tried to escape to the safety of her room but he chased her down, pushed through the door and began attacking. He then quickly moved on to Ethan who was probably on the bed when Kohberger entered the room. He likely had to attack Xana again before fleeing.
I for sure think Maddie, and or Kaylee was the target. I am curious to find what they found on his browsing/internet history. I am so hoping that that information will all come forward at trial. @@er070559
@@er070559only target? But killed 4 people easy peezy. No issues lol and 2 roommate’s waiting 8 hrs to call police. And the footprint cleaned was a vans. Like dylans. Come on
Not only was BK worried about Xana having seen him, but I think his primary concern (at least in that moment) for why he returned to finish killing her was probably because he wanted to prevent her from calling 911 for help or alerting other people in the house. Hence why he said to her, “It’s ok I’m here to help”
@@GrayHughesInvestigates yes Gray I know you’ve mentioned this in other videos as well. I was just replying to what you said at 29:25 about BK deciding to go back to finish killing Xana because she had seen what he looks like. Considering he was also wearing a mask, his most immediate concern was probably to stop Xana from trying to call 911 or alert her roommates. He may have also been worried that she already had called 911, which could explain why he sped out of there so fast even if he had seen Dylan in the doorway. It could also explain why he chose to take all those back roads on his way home, he was worried police might be out on the road and was trying to avoid them and dump the evidence. Just speculation.
These short , excellent presentations are perfect for my shrinking attention span 👍 Old age doesn't come itself ! 😊 Thanks Gray Is there a date yet for the trial ?
This is exactly how I think things occurred. I think Maddie and Kaylee were first and that it was Xana who said "Someone is here" and that is why Ethan got up to check. And I 100% agree that Kaylee being in the bed with Maddie completely threw BK off and caused him to lose the knife sheath. And I think BK was that close to pulling off the perfect crime. Losing the knife sheath with the touch DNA is what got him caught. Perhaps they would have eventually found him based on the video's of the car without a front tag. But I doubt it. That is also why BK was quick to change to WA. Tags after the murders.
hi gray- there has been some information coming out about kaylee's computer being hacked. steve gonsalves mentions that whoever committed the crime accessed their wifi and on a recent nancy grace show one of the experts says kaylee's computer was compromised. was wondering if u could do a video on this? would love to hear your take on it.
Thanks for another of your short videos, completely on point. You blew me away years ago with the Arias gun first video where you included the coroner's report as proof. You were 💯 percent correct, and you explained why they used knife first at the trial. Thanks for always using the evidence as your basis.
The affidavit states Dylan reported she "originally " went to sleep in her upstairs bedroom. Why did they add the qualifier "originally"? Makes me think Dylan left her room at some point, and woke up in a bedroom she didn't originally go to bed in (like Bethany's).
I think the dog barking was the murder of Maddie and Kaylee, which makes the subsequent “somebody is here” xana not Kayle as she was just attacked. I reason the dog barking was not from entry because everyone says the upstairs girls were “killed in bed in their sleep” so the barks were after the first attack. This obviously woke up the entire house. As Dylan states it woke her up, and xana tells Ethan “there’s somebody here” Perhaps because of the multiple passes he knew xana was the one awake in the house, which is why he goes to her room and skips Dylans/bethany. Some people have suspected BK and xana or Ethan saw each other outside in the kitchen. I don’t find this likely. As Dylan was awake, opened her door multiple times, and didn’t hear any scuffle or noises like that immediately in the kitchen. BK probably accepted the possibility xana may still be awake bc he passed by the home 4 times!! And likely saw her light on.
Excellent. As usual. One thing id like to remind, is the full or queen size bed carried out with obvious blood stains showing thru the covering. Enormous blood stains. Its as if one of them was killed in the bed. Likely Ethan. I believe the affidavit before rumors.. that Xana was found on the floor :(
The bump out from the bathroom into Xana’s room is missing in this 3D schematic. I have seen it correctly portrayed in your other videos. Not all of them, especially very early ones. The bump out was a water utility chase from kitchen to bathrooms and laundry room. 1st & 2nd floor old section - to 2nd floor new (kitchen). During demolition; black stink pipe for toilets crosses from old to new section in 1/2 attic attached to Kaylee’s room. Tiny door in brown wood band of demolition was from Kaylee’s room into that same 1/2 gabled roof. I believe it was to access that water utility chase. The black pvc stink pipe exits the roof above Kaylee’s room. I suggest this chase was 2’2” wide from one of the blue prints, and bumped into Xana’s space preventing that bedroom door from opening more than about 90 degrees. You would be unable to see a body around that corner with the door opened 90 degrees. Not sure which body was where due to the discrepancy in PCA and eye witness accounts by friends and family first responders. I mean Before medic’s arrived. Note: the east wall of Xana’s bedroom was not a straight line.
This door opening up against a 2’2” stepped out wall could be the explanation for why the ‘best friend’ of Ethan could not get the door to open in the morning. If Ethan was ambushed as he was re-entering the room and in the act of closing the door, then he would have fallen in front of the closed door. Let’s say Xana was initially attacked on the bed, but was left bleeding out but still alive as BK(?) squeezed out the shutting the door behind him. Xana could have slipped off the bed and rolled Ethan over to help him, thus further blocking the already shut door in the process. When friends showed up they pushed the door open a little but Ethan’s body was pinned between the back of the door and the bump out wall (2’2”) creating a block. It doesn’t matter if bed was pushed north or south. And depending on the slope of the floor (all Pergo), it could have run to the south wall and pooled there, since we both postulate Xana slipped to the floor. The
Interesting theories...! They all make sense in their own way. In my opinion, I think BK kept passing by the house until he saw all the lights off in the house. He then parks and spends about a minute or less prepping his gear (clothes, knife, rubber gloves, mask, etc.). He then enters thru the sliding glass door (which I believe he knew would be unlocked) and makes his way to MM's room and immediately starts attacking her rendering her incapacitated. While doing so, KG tries to protect MM and BK ends up delivering fatal wounds to her as well. KG surprised BK with the fight she put up and in the process, BK forgot where he put his knife sheath. During the attack on KG, DM wakes up and opens her bedroom door (1 of 3) and yells up there "Be quiet, I'm trying to sleep" (paraphrasing). Panicked by this, BK knows that it's not going as planned and tries to depart the scene quickly. During this time, EC wakes up by what DM has yelled and goes to the hallway to see what was going on. At this time, BK just happened to be coming down the stairs and EC sees him and knows something isn't right and hurries back to XK's room to protect her. At this time, BK realized that he had been seen and has to eliminate the eye witness. A scuffle ensues in the doorway just outside the vision of XK but she can hear the scuffle. After BK incapacitates EC, XK sees BK approaching her and he says "It's OK... I'm here to help you" (paraphrasing)! BK then viciously attacks XK who put up a fight. During this attack, DM opens her bedroom door (2 of 3) but says nothing and is just listening and hears "whimpering". After this fatal attack of XK, BK knows that his plan got out of control and he has to get the hell outta there ASAP. As he's leaving XK's room, DM opens her bedroom door (3 of 3) and practically comes face-to-face with BK as he's leaving and is paralyzed by fear. BK exits at the same entry point. Once at his car, already having prepped his car with plastic over the driver's area, BK quickly takes off his bloody clothes and shoes and puts them in a tightly sealed bag before entering his vehicle and then hurries off which can be corroborated from video surveillance footage. Some time during his route back to Pullman, WA, BK disposes the evidence in a preplanned location and returns home. A few hours later, BK drives back to the scene and is surprised that the bodies hadn't yet been discovered. BK then tries to carry on with the normal things he would do during a weekend day. I'm probably way off from what actually happened, but this is just one possibility that makes sense to me.
Just my opinion, I think frat boys went in first took care of business. when lights went out, Bk made his move only to find out MM was already passed, Kaylee wasn't so he was pissed off so he stabbed them out of frustration walked down the stairs probably stumbling out of her room finished off, then went out Back door to his car changed Out of his kill outfit got in his car, low and behold his neighbor happened to walk passed him he drove him home, went back up highway phone still off to area where he was going to dispose of everything double checked himself realized he didn't have the sheath, left stuff there, went back realized Dylan and friends were out the back playing music, Dylan and Friends cleaned up he Turned on his phone, drove back home, left in am to run back but people were there, the ones who weren't there.
I think Ethan was on the bed because when a mattress was brought out from the house you could see what appeared to be blood stains through the cover. It also looked like a full size mattress rather than a twin size mattress that it was stated Maddie had. I think the bed was on the back wall where the blood was seen seeping down the foundation.
Ja ethan lag op bed gezien de hoeveelheid bloed op de matras. Dat geeft ook aan bij maddie en Kaylee deze matras was ook doordrengt met bloed. En dat kan alleen bij het doorsnijden van de keel. Daarom ook weinig geschreeuw het gaat zo snel dan. Arme slachtoffers
"Yes Ethan was on the bed given the amount of blood on the mattress. This also indicates that Maddie and Kaylee's mattress was also soaked with blood. And that is only possible when cutting the throat. That's why there isn't much shouting, it goes so quickly. Poor victims" @@ernakoningdefuijk8457
Dang, I think we will find post trial that you’ve hit it out of the ball park!! The only thing I am still wondering about a bit, is if Kaylee and Madison were indeed murdered first. For some reason I have always seen it in my minds eye as them being murdered last. Gonna do some diving and seek any of your videos mentioning sequences again. Thanks Gray!!
Really enjoying these recent videos on this case! Fantastic work. I believe you may've accidentally said Dylan's name in the latter part (last quarter, approx.) when you meant to say Xana. You were discussing Xana and Ethan's murder sequence. If not, apologies, if yes, it can happen to anyone. :)
I really don’t think he went back up stairs looking for sheaf. He was already full of adrenaline, rage and anxiety because I don’t think he planned on killing all those people. His target was Maddie and the others were an unfortunate situation. It totally got out of hand. The big question is WHERE DID HE DITCH THE WEAPON AND BLOODY CLOTHES?
Outstanding analysis. I wholly agree Maddie was the target & Kaylee was collateral. I believe the noise woke Ethan. I suspect Xana was on the crapper then when she came out she found him & cried. I believe Kohberger didn't discover that his sheath was missing until hours later.
Maybe Xana said there’s someone here, Ethan gets up to investigate but is met by Bryan right outside of the bedroom doorway, killing him there but as he’s killing him he’s kind of also pushing him backwards cause Ethan is back up a little on his own too so he ends up back in the room. Ethan falls to the ground (thud). This is when xana is crying, and Bryan turns his focus on her now. He starts attacking her on the bed (don’t forget the bloody mattresses) she’s fighting maybe with her feet on the ground, upper body on the bed, kind of like a seated laying down position with Bryan over her. He kills her but she ends up slipping to the ground as she dies right by the doorway. I do not believe at any point he had to return to finish her off or thought he killed her only to realize he hadn’t and had to return to finish her. I think that knife was powerful enough to kill each of them on the first attack.
We still don't know the order. I still think he could have killed Ethan in his sleep, while Xana was chatting with DD driver. Made his way upstairs. Xana could have placed her food in kitchen and heard a commotion upstairs. Upon going to alert Ethan, she began crying finding what she did. On his way down the stairs he heard Xana and took her out also. After having a struggle with Xana, he fled not knowing if she called police.
Only customers do not chat with their door dash driver. The driver's drop the order at the door and dash away. Customers are notified their order arrived via text message.
I think you nailed it on what I have heard/read/watched. I think even the comments Dylan spoke of hearing you put together well as what they pertained to. I can’t believe he was able to take Ethan and Xana at once. He got lucky on a surprise attack and getting one at a time.
I think your sequencing sounds about right. I think that if Xana and Ethan would have been in the bedroom with the door locked, they would have been fine. And he was targeting Maddison, who knows why. But, that’s the room that he could see into.
Thank you. It’s interesting your placement of the bed in Xana’s room. Do you know if it was on that wall? If you look at the rental photos of the house that wouldn’t make sense because IMO the door swing would be in the way and the bed would be under the window.Instead I pictured it on the wall opposite which is where the blood trail was located outside the house. IMO Ethan was either leaving (since frat rules prevented them from staying over) or went to investigate which is why he was in doorway. I pictured Xana on the far wall opposite the doorway on the floor and the cause of the blood trail. My .02
Agree with Gray that Madison was target - she ignored his instagram dm’s. Kaylee was a surprise to BK. Xana saw BK and said that somebody is here. BK attacked Xana and Ethan saw and yelled at the door (audio exists of dog barking and man yelling). BK attacked Ethan. Went back to Xana. No way BK saw Dylan??? Wouldn’t he have reacted? BK left and sped off. Those poor kids.💔
If he made all those drive bys as claimed, he would have recognized the cars usually there, yet kaylees new Land Rover was there that night. He knew other people were there.
You’re of the best in the biz Gray. Your mapping and timeline abilities are bar none tops in the True Crime Community. You sift the Bullsheet better than anyone. Hit that like Freaks❤! PS… I also agree with Gray that “someone” was targeted. Who, knows. She can only say what she can say. The stalking of Mogan seems likely. Hard to know the sicko mind of BK but why stalk the way he did without etc
The only tweak I would make would be where Kaylee was initially. From the perspective of a dog mama, I believe Kaylee was with Murphy in her room until the time when she heard something going on. She closed Murphy in the room, rushed to Maddie's and witnessed what was happening. He overtook her and threw her onto the bed between the wall and Maddie. I agree that Maddie was the target ... Vegans don't have many restaurant choices. He encountered her at Mad Greek.
@@christinecheeseman It's so simple... He saw her and became obsessed with her. I would not be surprised if she got snarky at him, angering him even more
I agree Kaylee was originally in her room with Murphy. I think Murphy was alerted to noise, and began shifting around, which woke Kaylee and caused her to say someone's here or IS someone here. I think BK then hid behind door as she was walking to M's room& he ambushed her from behind, incapacitating her immediately.
But what if both girls were just on Maddie’s bed talking and calling Jack until they fell dozing? What does that do to this theory? What if Kaylee didn’t wake up to put Murphy in her room?
Could Ethan have been attacked at the door and then staggered the short distance across the floor where he slammed into the wall and collapsed? With his size, that could account for the loud thud heard.. Also, possibly when K.B made his remark,perhaps in a sick, psychotic way, was telling her he was helping her in taking her life. Weird as he is, thats the thought I had..
It’s the xana and Ethan situation that just blows my mind. How he managed to kill then without serious noise. The girls upstairs makes sense but yeah Ethan and xana kill just hard to understand how it went down
@@sandrasenior1289 but we can all Agree there would of been a small amount of time for xana to make some noise vocally or she was just so stunned at the situation and couldn’t speak
I think Maddie was the target, he didn't expect Kaylee to be in her room... Because Xana was up and said "someone is here" probably woke Ethan up "someone is here" they go to investigate and they were attacked.. I think if Xana was not up, her and Ethan would have not been killed but I don't know this for sure... Maybe if things went to his plan, he would have killed everyone and if this is the case , Dylan and Bethany are very lucky. But I think he was after Maddie and his plan went wrong... Kaylee being in Maddie's room and the noise and Xana being up still.
Mr Gonzalvez said it clearly she called 911 and she texted. I thought the 911 didn't come until 1156am. Now this is the first I hear anyone say she texted and called 911
Hi was there footage from his college apartment parking lot when he returned home ...what was his demeanor..as well when he left in the early hours to go to the king road house was there lot footage and what was his demeanor..was there footage of him cleaning his car on campus
Kaylees dad stated Maddie was on outside of the bed that was up against the wall, Kaylee on side by wall, that she had no way to escape, and that Kaylee had defensive wounds, so Maddie would have been first in that room
The Goncalves family, having been interviewed previously, have stated that Ethan’s friend who responded to the distress call from one of the roommates said Ethan Chapman was up against the door or on the floor blocking the door. Both Steve and Christie have stated that they both had a sit down with Hunter (I believe) who explained the morning to them and where everyone was located. I don’t believe he lied to them knowing that crime scene photos and the responding officers will be testifying to what they saw coming in.
8:41 I agree, she almost said throat. But what I don’t get, is, wouldn’t the killer also be the only one to know there were multiple stab wounds? This is why she shouldn’t have been talking. Specially, not to the media.
Do we know if that is the exact placement of the bed inside of Xana’s room at the time of the attacks or a guesstimate based on the presumption of where the bodies were noted being in the room?
How was the killer (presumably BK) able to leave Xana's room if a body was blocking the door from opening? How did he get out, but others "couldn't get in" because the door was blocked? Was Ethan/xana still alive momentarily and tried to crawl for help, only to make it to the door? My heart hurts for these kids
Thank you for this. Easy to follow facts. Do you think when you thought the Examiner was about to say “throat” she may have been about to say “thorax”???
I def believe it was targeted. I don’t think someone is going with the intent of slaughtering the entire house. I believe there was one target and collateral damage in the form of people who got in the way.
I wish they would come out with the autopsy report so we know for sure the order of attack instead of having to guess, but my opinion is anyone who could do something this brutal of a crime most likely would have killed everyone in that house if he thought he had the time to do it, if he knew Dylan and Bethany where their why wouldn't he think maybe one of them called LE during the attack? so perhaps that's why he left before attacking them he didn't want to stay any longer than he had to.... he also could have tried to open their bedroom doors but they were locked who knows....i think he knew how much time he was going to allow himself and not push it and i wouldn't be surprised if he was happy at how easy and fast it took for him to get in and out.
I have a question for Grey, I believe Kohberger was the killer too but how do you believe he carried the knife? Did he just have the sheaf in his hand with the knife in it? That’s kind of what I picture.
I think he just carried the knife. I think there is a good chance the sheath that was cleaned other missing one tiny spot was left intentionally. If not he carried the knife in the sheath in his hand
Not sure if this question has been asked, but do they know if Bryan Kohberger ever been inside the house prior to the murders? Or did he ever get into a argument/confrontation with any of them? Maybe on social media. Or maybe one of them caught him prior to the murders stalking the house?
I agree that "targeted" was not the way to describe what happened. To most people, that suggests an intimate relationship gone badly or a drug hit...basically, there is no threat to the general public. I understand why some people were upset with that term. Clearly there was a threat to the community.
I think when Dillion heard what she thought was Kaylee playing with the dog is when they were being killed and as Kolberger was coming down the stairs Ethan was coming down the hallway and they struggled in the hall and then was either dragged or pushed backward untill he past the doorway and fell to the floor and Xana started to cry and come st Kolberger and that when the wounds to her fingers happened and he cupped her mouth but not before Xana says there is someone here and slices ending and Xana falls to the floor in the doorway . He turns around and never sees Dillion because at this point he has tunnel vision and is focused on getting out of there and his adrenaline was pumping , heartbeat thumping in his ears , and again walks right by Dillions door never seeing her in the crack of the doorway but she sees him ?
Honestly though it makes little sense for her to say someones here if ethan had already been attacked does it, I can only see her saying that TO ethan really which doesnt make sense if hes being attacked/dead... Idk maybe not but why would she say that otherwise, if ethan was killed first and she says that after hes killed than why is she saying it/who is she saying it to? It would make sense to say TO ethan either before either of them were attacked or if/while she was being attacked first possibly at or just outside the door....?
@@el34glo59 i mean idk maybe but I would assume if she had a chance to say something to the entire house after wqtching her biyfriend slaughtered it would be HELP not "theres someone here", that sounds like something she is saying to ethan in a more fearful concerned way not a "i just watched someone get murdered & would be screaming bloody murder of i had the chance" way... regardless, I posted a seperate comment but I can no longer find it, idk if if got deleted for some reason, maybe because I included a link in it idk, but on that comment i was sharing a link to a photo that shows part of xana's room, she might have moved it aroubd since the photo( i kind of doubt it as it seems to align with the evidence but idk), which shows that she has her bed against the wall exactly where gray has ethan in this video animation, the bes is shown against that left wall& parallel to it(so essentially the top of the bed/where the pillows would be faces the wall that the door is on, so laying in bed youd be facing the wall the door is on, and the side of the lefr is against that left wall where gray has ethans head in this animation)...that suggests that ethan was probably found in the bed, and xana on the floor, which might make xana saying "somones here" to ethan make alot of sense if she saw or heard them & either got up/or was already up kind of thing, though exactly how it all went down idk
Spot on gray. All ima say is The blood on the side of the outside of the house always felt looney tunes too me. What kinda building structure allows blood to seep the rough the structure of a HOUSE. Idk. It means nothing but that element always seemed bizarre as someone whose been a part of constructing crews
The points you are trying to make.. are easily picked apart. Like what are you getting at when she says they have defensive wounds.? Didn’t this lady perform the autopsy.? So she would know about defensive wounds. And we were told they had defensive wounds. What is the significance in you pointing that out.? And when she said they were found in bed.. she was talking about by Bryan. And if you’re going to say she almost said throat… then let it play for everyone instead of cutting it off so no one can fully hear what she says.
Ashley Banfield interview, Yes I agree with you about the throat injury. Steve Gonsalves interveiw ,what is this about Kaylee texting him, was this after 3am? I think Ethan was laying from the direction from the door to up against wall across the bed. Do you think murderer may have had trouble with stabbing the girl because of quilted blanked. Would that explain the tearing wounds. Do you think Xana thought it was the door dash driver and send Ethan to speak with the driver and Ethan walks around the corner and sees the murderer and says oh and gets into it and gets pushed back into Xana room recieveing fatal injuries.
It doesn’t make sense for the killer to bother dragging Ethan’s dead weight into the room. Maybe he was just attacked in the hallway and the fight finished inside the room.
Grey is it possible the bed was not to the window? I am a woman and I wouldn't put my bed under the window. Other thing is that the bed is seen when the door is open. I would feel uncomfortable if people can see my bed directly through the open door. Is it possible the bed to be in the corner on the place of Ethan? He could be on the bed with his back to the wall. That can explain why he is not seen and the blood. What do you think?
I didn’t take it to mean that he had to go into the room to see Ethan because he simply used the word “also” saying “also in the room was a deceased male”. Even if let’s just say, he could see both at once as he approaches the room, he has to list one first either way, so whether he says “I could see a deceased female, also in the room was a deceased male” or “I could see a deceased male, also In the room was a deceased female” either way, he has to list one then then other, even when he’s saying he could see both at one time through the doorway. I hope that made sense. That to me, combined with the photos & videos showing what appears to be 2 mattresses with a significant amount of blood on them, would mean that someone was either initially wounded in Xana’s bed (but we know she was in the floor because it specifically says so), so it would mean Ethan was either initially wounded on the mattress then went to the floor if he was found in the floor, or Ethan was killed on the mattress and he was found mattress. I had always thought on the mattress but your animation as me undecided on that for now and leaving these thoughts. I suppose it could be said that the blood on Xana’s mattress is not from Ethan being initially wounded on it as he was lying on it, nor is it from him being killed on her bed, and that the blood on Xana’s mattress is cast off or the result of their wounds dripping, etc but the photos seemed to show 2 different mattresses that each had a large amount of blood in them, some would even say each had body shaped blood stains, but I can’t quite see that. And if we are to believe Steve & Kristi Goncalves, one more note is that they have now said that Kaylee was found slumped in the corner of Maddie’s bed. Awesome model of the house and presentation Gray!
But then I read it again and because he says “I could see A body” that makes me believe he did only see one body at first, meaning you could only see one body as you approached the door, and you had to go through the door/inside the room the room to see Ethan. Then again, he could also still just be saying “I could see a body, on the floor.. a female…and I could see a second body next to that one” for example. Not a good way to phrase it imo and probably not likely how it was phrased, but it is possible. Ultimately I was just trying to figure out if Ethan was found on Xana’s mattress or on her floor, and if he was found on the floor what’s with the blood on the mattress if Xana was also found on the floor? Or is it the photos of what appears to be blood on Xana’s mattress that 😮are what is unreliable here? Thanks again, this was a thought provoking animation, model, description, video.
Very Early on in the investigation Olivia Goncalves told another creator that she got into Kayleigh’s Phone including her social media account & found Koburger following BOTH maddie & Kayleigh had liked a few pictures/comments Olivia said she took this to the detectives … i feel you are right he was targeting Maddi … but as the girls were so close possibly looking at BOTH? Also didnt police feel he had been to the house on several occasions & wouldn’t have recognised Kayleigh’s new car?
Hi Gray Just watching this excellent video for the second time to see what I may have missed. I'll try to be more succinct this time. I concur with your theories on many aspects of this crime, because they make the most sense in my mind too. I believe Kohberger knew from previous reconnaissance missions that the glass sliding doors were left unlocked, so that was his entry and exit point. Xana was still awake as we know and I think it's most likely she was the one Dylan heard say, "someone's here". Madison was his target I believe, regardless of what the coroner said. Her interview and Bill Thompson's were in the very early days, so they had much less information to base their theories on. Kohberger had been parking, I would think, where you showed us, so it was likely Madison's room he was watching for months previous. As more info surfaced, we learned he had liked all of Maddie's posts/pics on social media and she also worked at the Mad Greek where he'd been. This all points to her being the target. I'm thinking once he found her house and vantage point to view her bedroom specifically, how close he could get for a quick get away and the open sliding doors, it all lined up for him perfectly. Unfortunately he didn't expect Kaylee to be with Madison in her bed, so this instantly derailed his plan and fantasy. Kaylee would have awakened and fought with him when he was attacking Maddie, so she endured more vicious stab wounds as her dad reported early on. Ethan and Xana were next, I believe, but Xana was still alive when he left to go upstairs again to look for the sheath. As the dog was barking and time was precious, he ran back down, heard Xana whimpering, said "it's okay I'm going to help you" and then he dealth the final deadly blow to Xana. I know law enforcement said it was a targeted attack, even though both the coroner and prosecutor stopped short of relaying this at the time and I agree the coroner was about to say throat before she changed it to upper body stab wounds. Basically, I think your theories are correct with the information we've had over time. I'm not just agreeing with you for the sake of it. These are my own take away also. They just happen to align with yours. The part I took from you directly though was him returning upstairs before hearing xana etc. I hadn't understood what happened there. I definitely thought it wasn't Ethan saying those words, but rather the offender. Your theory made it very plausible in my mind, so I copied that bit. Thanks for your work, Gray. These videos are so helpful in putting it all together.
I also believe Ethan was in the bathroom. Not surprised by BK(?) in the Livingroom or hall. Thus BK(?) slips into XK room and hush hush’s her. Then surprise attacks Ethan upon his return. He then attacks a whimpering then fighting Xana at the south wall of her room.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Oh, I was referring to the “I’m here to help .” From BK(?). Not the words “hush, hush”. I think Xana was quieted by BK(?) after her initial whimpering. Which moments later turned to crying as she witnessed BK(?) jump Ethan from behind. Her fighting moment was probably more grunts and groans than crying or sobbing. Typical adrenaline response. I think BK(?) rushed Ethan (possibly) out of the shadows of her closet, because I saw an Instagram pic and there didn’t appear to be a door on the closet. BK(?) may have backed into that cubbyhole. As if speaking to Xana he was there to help protect her by ambushing an imaginary intruder. But in reality BK(?) was waiting to surprise attack Ethan. BK(?) may have not known it was Ethan and could have expected Xana was having a slumber party with a sorority sister or out of town guest. Possibly even her sister for a college visit? It’s not clear to me how much homework BK(?) did, and what his knowledge of the cars was. I guess it would be possible to watch the cars leave over the course of a Saturday to see who drives what but I don’t think he was that planned. I think some of this was anger or rage just peaking and he may have liked other aspects of the night. Like a big college weekend winding down leading to tired, inebriated, some sleeping target(s), and the almost full moon that night. (86% Gibbous). I think that only Maddie was asleep. I think Kaylee had been but was awakened by BK(?) entering (or breaking in) to the MM bedroom. And I think both Ethan and Xana were just winding down. Eating the DD delivery, posting to TicTock, (possibly) using the bathroom. But, not asleep yet. May have had their lights out but only for a minute or so. Gray, did you make the video that proves BK(?) and the DD driver crossed paths not far from LL x Taylor? I may have the content creator mixed up. I thought for sure it was you, but I can’t find it anywhere. I’ll keep looking on other sites too. It was really well done.
There is a theory Ethan was in bed lying on his stomach and attacked first before Xanna who was in the bathroom. BK hide behind the door and when she came out surprised her and said I’m here to help you and then attacked her which is why she was on the floor.
23:26 Gray, it's interesting that your 3d model shows Xana's door opening outward. That is just a facet of the model and it allows the door to open inward or outward correct? Is the hinge side correct but you've not confirmed concretely that the door necessarily swings into the room yet?
yes, that was an error I just opened it randomly as you can rotate however you want so I could show through the door. You know what's amazing is how nitpicky you guys are on the smallest little thing when none you question the clown on anything. lol...it's amazing.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Sorry to seem nitpicky. It was just that it looks interesting in the model with the door position relative to the bed. It being blocked by a body and especially as you depict, with the bed/bedframe so close to the door.. it could possibly make it hard/impossible for roommates open enough to see the crime initially.
Possibly xana and maddy were the targets and the other two who weren’t expected were just collateral damage. Since Kaylee had a new car maybe he didn’t know she was there.
I believe he did. Most of the windows didn't have blinds or curtains. BK had been stalking them/the house for a while. He was observing their patterns when they were home and more than likely their schedules too. He knew basic areas of the bedrooms and common areas.
I also think it might have been Xana who said "Someone's here", but maybe it was Bethany, downstairs, when the Door Dash person showed up, yelling upstairs that someone was there. ?? Perhaps Murphy was already agitated when he heard someone come to the door. I guess it would depend on the timing of it all. But I agree, I don't think it was Kaylee saying that though.
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king is the road you turn left off of taylor and queen is the road in front of the house. I am sorry for your confusion@@theHairyProject
Nurse here. It is also possible the coroner was about to say “thoracic” area which is the medical term for upper chest. She may have changed it to a more simple term when speaking to non-medical persons.
Yes that’s what I said too. Definitely was going to say Thoracic cavity.
no, you can't say definiteyl. and I explained later how they were all killed with one specific and that's too the neck. @@adrianmarsh9286
@@GrayHughesInvestigates It could be that the heart area is the specific area , as it might have some symbolism for the killer and would be a death blow.
I'm a gun and knife guy... legally obviously... but one thing people my not realize is that getting and keeping a knife sharp enough to cut in the way you are saying is NOT easy (and I agree that's most likely what happened). Big blades are especially hard to get "sharp" because they are really wide... it's easier to get a thin knife sharp. Keeping a big blade sharp is easier however, Also cheap "knock-off" knives are usually low quality steel and dull very easily. It would be interesting to know his browser history as far as knife interest. Just hunting and field dressing deer and cleaning/butchering animals you realize real quick the difference between an "out of the box" edge and an actual sharpened edge. It takes experience to get good at sharpening... or you can pay a professional to do it. And to anyone that gets offended by my comment... I'm just sharing my view because I have experience. It's just a way of life where I am... it's super common to hunt/fish and carry guns and knives...
Thanks for your input,knowledge. It’s life and it’s real. Not a woke junk.
@@AdrianaLaCerva126 Does it have to be one or the other? I consider myself conscious of realities besides my own, yet I'm also a fan of true crime, so I'm not afraid of his description beyond the obvious horror over the murders themselves. If he were saying it with some kind of glee in this case, as so many like to do when talking about weapons, THAT would have been offensive.
I was doing some research on a Christmas gift, a knife sharpener. I found out that most hunting and machetes knifes are not sharp when they’re mailed out. It makes sense since I had sent knives out in the mail before to be sharpened, and there was very thorough instructions in how to pack them, it’s wasn’t easy.
I’m in agreement with @johnscustomsaws. Husband and his late father and both grandfathers were big outdoorsmen. I’ve seen them spend countless hours sharpening new knives and resharpening old ones whenever they sat to talk or listen. Each time a knife was used. And stored in a particular way. All the household knives, too.
@ johns- as a retired commercial carpenter, the ability to sharpen items is part of the job. Not limited to kitchen or filet knives but also wood chisels, lathe tools, wood planes, scrapers & such. Knowledge learned from my father, I still use oil stones, though some prefer diamond stones. I won’t let others use my filet knife- they Will cut themselves. It is a fact that new knives need to be sharpened. I don’t believe any sharpening items were listed in the searches. I would also speculate that BK gave his “special knife “ a name and treated it as if sacred…Hiding behind his “genius “ facade is a dangerous boy whom, if not caught would certainly reoffend….
Practically perfect video. Thanks so much. Finally, someone sticks their neck out and addresses the discrepancy with LE/PCA. v. The statements of the first kids that saw Ethan (and didn’t mention Xana). Either there’s an error in the PCA and the body seen from the hallway was Ethan’s. Or the face was so bloodied that facial recognition was impossible initially. I don’t think you could see the second body from the hallway.
Great detail and intelligent hypothesis as well. You are amazing at this Gray! Well done!
Great video Gray! Love the overhead view!!!
Honestly, I don't think he would have killed Xana or Ethan had she not been awake and probably moving around. I think she saw BK and he took them out. I feel like Ethan could have put up a fight, but I think he was sleeping when he was attacked. According to the mattress they pulled out, we know it's not Xana's from her being found on the floor per the affidavit.
I think that Xana and Ethan were going to be killed whether they were awake or asleep.
Totally agree. In time it will be clear that Madison was his target. That's the room he went to directly after entering the house and I don't think that was by accident. Madison I believe would have been his only victim but things went sideways from the start. He was surprised that Kaylee was there and she became his second victim. At that point he was probably going to flee. However Xana as we know was awake. She undoubtedly must have heard the massive commotion going on upstairs. I believe she went to investigate and was confronted by Kohberger as he came down the stairs. She would have tried to escape to the safety of her room but he chased her down, pushed through the door and began attacking. He then quickly moved on to Ethan who was probably on the bed when Kohberger entered the room. He likely had to attack Xana again before fleeing.
The mattress was soaked in one spot; i agree Ethan was probably in bed.
I for sure think Maddie, and or Kaylee was the target. I am curious to find what they found on his browsing/internet history. I am so hoping that that information will all come forward at trial. @@er070559
@@er070559only target? But killed 4 people easy peezy. No issues lol and 2 roommate’s waiting 8 hrs to call police. And the footprint cleaned was a vans. Like dylans. Come on
Excellent video as always! Factual information along with your models make this evidence come to light clearly. Thank you
Excellent video, Gray. Great overview with the PCA backing up the Facts. He's such a monster, taking their lives 😢
The models you have constructed are very good... They really make you look at it in a different way... Very eye opening. Greetings from México
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Not only was BK worried about Xana having seen him, but I think his primary concern (at least in that moment) for why he returned to finish killing her was probably because he wanted to prevent her from calling 911 for help or alerting other people in the house. Hence why he said to her, “It’s ok I’m here to help”
Keep her calm.. yes
right i referred the noise and the roommates calling 911
right it says that in the video...lol@@soulomine
@@GrayHughesInvestigates yes Gray I know you’ve mentioned this in other videos as well. I was just replying to what you said at 29:25 about BK deciding to go back to finish killing Xana because she had seen what he looks like. Considering he was also wearing a mask, his most immediate concern was probably to stop Xana from trying to call 911 or alert her roommates. He may have also been worried that she already had called 911, which could explain why he sped out of there so fast even if he had seen Dylan in the doorway. It could also explain why he chose to take all those back roads on his way home, he was worried police might be out on the road and was trying to avoid them and dump the evidence. Just speculation.
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Another well thought out video from you! Touche!
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Is there a date yet for the trial ?
I don't think so
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No trial date yet. Next court date is January 26th. Hopefully we'll find out something then.
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Very informative. Poor kids. R.I.P.
Good job as always.
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This is exactly how I think things occurred. I think Maddie and Kaylee were first and that it was Xana who said "Someone is here" and that is why Ethan got up to check. And I 100% agree that Kaylee being in the bed with Maddie completely threw BK off and caused him to lose the knife sheath. And I think BK was that close to pulling off the perfect crime. Losing the knife sheath with the touch DNA is what got him caught. Perhaps they would have eventually found him based on the video's of the car without a front tag. But I doubt it. That is also why BK was quick to change to WA. Tags after the murders.
Touch dna lol
hi gray- there has been some information coming out about kaylee's computer being hacked. steve gonsalves mentions that whoever committed the crime accessed their wifi and on a recent nancy grace show one of the experts says kaylee's computer was compromised. was wondering if u could do a video on this? would love to hear your take on it.
That is interesting.. Wonder if he was able to do this..
Thanks for another of your short videos, completely on point. You blew me away years ago with the Arias gun first video where you included the coroner's report as proof. You were 💯 percent correct, and you explained why they used knife first at the trial. Thanks for always using the evidence as your basis.
The affidavit states Dylan reported she "originally " went to sleep in her upstairs bedroom. Why did they add the qualifier "originally"? Makes me think Dylan left her room at some point, and woke up in a bedroom she didn't originally go to bed in (like Bethany's).
I agree.
It’s possible that DM left the 2nd floor bedroom and hid in BFs room on first floor.
Originally at 2 a.m., the original time she went to sleep, then woke up, back to sleep after 4.20.
I think the dog barking was the murder of Maddie and Kaylee, which makes the subsequent “somebody is here” xana not Kayle as she was just attacked.
I reason the dog barking was not from entry because everyone says the upstairs girls were “killed in bed in their sleep” so the barks were after the first attack.
This obviously woke up the entire house. As Dylan states it woke her up, and xana tells Ethan “there’s somebody here”
Perhaps because of the multiple passes he knew xana was the one awake in the house, which is why he goes to her room and skips Dylans/bethany.
Some people have suspected BK and xana or Ethan saw each other outside in the kitchen. I don’t find this likely. As Dylan was awake, opened her door multiple times, and didn’t hear any scuffle or noises like that immediately in the kitchen. BK probably accepted the possibility xana may still be awake bc he passed by the home 4 times!! And likely saw her light on.
I’m glad you brought this up. I stumbled on that too.
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One thing I noticed, bedroom doors usually open into the room, not out. Outstanding video!
Excellent. As usual. One thing id like to remind, is the full or queen size bed carried out with obvious blood stains showing thru the covering. Enormous blood stains. Its as if one of them was killed in the bed. Likely Ethan. I believe the affidavit before rumors.. that Xana was found on the floor :(
Ethan Chapin and Xana Kernodle were both on foot amd fell to the floor. Madison Mogen and Keylee Goncalves were on one bed, in Mogen's room.
The bump out from the bathroom into Xana’s room is missing in this 3D schematic. I have seen it correctly portrayed in your other videos. Not all of them, especially very early ones. The bump out was a water utility chase from kitchen to bathrooms and laundry room. 1st & 2nd floor old section - to 2nd floor new (kitchen). During demolition; black stink pipe for toilets crosses from old to new section in 1/2 attic attached to Kaylee’s room. Tiny door in brown wood band of demolition was from Kaylee’s room into that same 1/2 gabled roof. I believe it was to access that water utility chase. The black pvc stink pipe exits the roof above Kaylee’s room. I suggest this chase was 2’2” wide from one of the blue prints, and bumped into Xana’s space preventing that bedroom door from opening more than about 90 degrees. You would be unable to see a body around that corner with the door opened 90 degrees. Not sure which body was where due to the discrepancy in PCA and eye witness accounts by friends and family first responders. I mean Before medic’s arrived. Note: the east wall of Xana’s bedroom was not a straight line.
This door opening up against a 2’2” stepped out wall could be the explanation for why the ‘best friend’ of Ethan could not get the door to open in the morning. If Ethan was ambushed as he was re-entering the room and in the act of closing the door, then he would have fallen in front of the closed door.
Let’s say Xana was initially attacked on the bed, but was left bleeding out but still alive as BK(?) squeezed out the shutting the door behind him.
Xana could have slipped off the bed and rolled Ethan over to help him, thus further blocking the already shut door in the process.
When friends showed up they pushed the door open a little but Ethan’s body was pinned between the back of the door and the bump out wall (2’2”) creating a block.
It doesn’t matter if bed was pushed north or south. And depending on the slope of the floor (all Pergo), it could have run to the south wall and pooled there, since we both postulate Xana slipped to the floor.
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I don’t think he planned on Kaylee and her dog being there. A dog is a risk…
Interesting theories...! They all make sense in their own way. In my opinion, I think BK kept passing by the house until he saw all the lights off in the house. He then parks and spends about a minute or less prepping his gear (clothes, knife, rubber gloves, mask, etc.). He then enters thru the sliding glass door (which I believe he knew would be unlocked) and makes his way to MM's room and immediately starts attacking her rendering her incapacitated. While doing so, KG tries to protect MM and BK ends up delivering fatal wounds to her as well. KG surprised BK with the fight she put up and in the process, BK forgot where he put his knife sheath. During the attack on KG, DM wakes up and opens her bedroom door (1 of 3) and yells up there "Be quiet, I'm trying to sleep" (paraphrasing). Panicked by this, BK knows that it's not going as planned and tries to depart the scene quickly. During this time, EC wakes up by what DM has yelled and goes to the hallway to see what was going on. At this time, BK just happened to be coming down the stairs and EC sees him and knows something isn't right and hurries back to XK's room to protect her. At this time, BK realized that he had been seen and has to eliminate the eye witness. A scuffle ensues in the doorway just outside the vision of XK but she can hear the scuffle. After BK incapacitates EC, XK sees BK approaching her and he says "It's OK... I'm here to help you" (paraphrasing)! BK then viciously attacks XK who put up a fight. During this attack, DM opens her bedroom door (2 of 3) but says nothing and is just listening and hears "whimpering". After this fatal attack of XK, BK knows that his plan got out of control and he has to get the hell outta there ASAP. As he's leaving XK's room, DM opens her bedroom door (3 of 3) and practically comes face-to-face with BK as he's leaving and is paralyzed by fear. BK exits at the same entry point. Once at his car, already having prepped his car with plastic over the driver's area, BK quickly takes off his bloody clothes and shoes and puts them in a tightly sealed bag before entering his vehicle and then hurries off which can be corroborated from video surveillance footage. Some time during his route back to Pullman, WA, BK disposes the evidence in a preplanned location and returns home. A few hours later, BK drives back to the scene and is surprised that the bodies hadn't yet been discovered. BK then tries to carry on with the normal things he would do during a weekend day.
I'm probably way off from what actually happened, but this is just one possibility that makes sense to me.
Just my opinion, I think frat boys went in first took care of business. when lights went out, Bk made his move only to find out MM was already passed, Kaylee wasn't so he was pissed off so he stabbed them out of frustration walked down the stairs probably stumbling out of her room finished off, then went out Back door to his car changed Out of his kill outfit got in his car, low and behold his neighbor happened to walk passed him he drove him home, went back up highway phone still off to area where he was going to dispose of everything double checked himself realized he didn't have the sheath, left stuff there, went back realized Dylan and friends were out the back playing music, Dylan and Friends cleaned up he Turned on his phone, drove back home, left in am to run back but people were there, the ones who weren't there.
I think Ethan was on the bed because when a mattress was brought out from the house you could see what appeared to be blood stains through the cover. It also looked like a full size mattress rather than a twin size mattress that it was stated Maddie had. I think the bed was on the back wall where the blood was seen seeping down the foundation.
yeah, maybe xana was on the floor and easy to see and then ethan was on the bed.
Yes according to the blood stain, Ethan was on the right side of the mattress, closer to the wall.
Ja ethan lag op bed gezien de hoeveelheid bloed op de matras.
Dat geeft ook aan bij maddie en Kaylee deze matras was ook doordrengt met bloed.
En dat kan alleen bij het doorsnijden van de keel.
Daarom ook weinig geschreeuw het gaat zo snel dan.
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Agreed.
"Yes Ethan was on the bed given the amount of blood on the mattress.
This also indicates that Maddie and Kaylee's mattress was also soaked with blood.
And that is only possible when cutting the throat.
That's why there isn't much shouting, it goes so quickly.
Poor victims"
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Thank-you Gray great video.
Very good work Gray!
Dang, I think we will find post trial that you’ve hit it out of the ball park!! The only thing I am still wondering about a bit, is if Kaylee and Madison were indeed murdered first. For some reason I have always seen it in my minds eye as them being murdered last. Gonna do some diving and seek any of your videos mentioning sequences again. Thanks Gray!!
Really enjoying these recent videos on this case! Fantastic work.
I believe you may've accidentally said Dylan's name in the latter part (last quarter, approx.) when you meant to say Xana. You were discussing Xana and Ethan's murder sequence. If not, apologies, if yes, it can happen to anyone. :)
Yup, yup.
I really don’t think he went back up stairs looking for sheaf. He was already full of adrenaline, rage and anxiety because I don’t think he planned on killing all those people. His target was Maddie and the others were an unfortunate situation. It totally got out of hand. The big question is WHERE DID HE DITCH THE WEAPON AND BLOODY CLOTHES?
Outstanding analysis.
I wholly agree Maddie was the target & Kaylee was collateral.
I believe the noise woke Ethan.
I suspect Xana was on the crapper then when she came out she found him & cried.
I believe Kohberger didn't discover that his sheath was missing until hours later.
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Kaylee family said Kaylee was against the wall trapped. She was sitting up slumped in the corner
Maybe Xana said there’s someone here, Ethan gets up to investigate but is met by Bryan right outside of the bedroom doorway, killing him there but as he’s killing him he’s kind of also pushing him backwards cause Ethan is back up a little on his own too so he ends up back in the room. Ethan falls to the ground (thud). This is when xana is crying, and Bryan turns his focus on her now. He starts attacking her on the bed (don’t forget the bloody mattresses) she’s fighting maybe with her feet on the ground, upper body on the bed, kind of like a seated laying down position with Bryan over her. He kills her but she ends up slipping to the ground as she dies right by the doorway.
I do not believe at any point he had to return to finish her off or thought he killed her only to realize he hadn’t and had to return to finish her. I think that knife was powerful enough to kill each of them on the first attack.
If the vocal chords were cut, there would be no sound.
We still don't know the order. I still think he could have killed Ethan in his sleep, while Xana was chatting with DD driver. Made his way upstairs. Xana could have placed her food in kitchen and heard a commotion upstairs. Upon going to alert Ethan, she began crying finding what she did. On his way down the stairs he heard Xana and took her out also. After having a struggle with Xana, he fled not knowing if she called police.
That is interesting. It is so strange a door dash driver was there in the same time frame.
Only customers do not chat with their door dash driver. The driver's drop the order at the door and dash away. Customers are notified their order arrived via text message.
I think you nailed it on what I have heard/read/watched. I think even the comments Dylan spoke of hearing you put together well as what they pertained to. I can’t believe he was able to take Ethan and Xana at once. He got lucky on a surprise attack and getting one at a time.
I think your sequencing sounds about right. I think that if Xana and Ethan would have been in the bedroom with the door locked, they would have been fine. And he was targeting Maddison, who knows why. But, that’s the room that he could see into.
Thank you. It’s interesting your placement of the bed in Xana’s room. Do you know if it was on that wall? If you look at the rental photos of the house that wouldn’t make sense because IMO the door swing would be in the way and the bed would be under the window.Instead I pictured it on the wall opposite which is where the blood trail was located outside the house. IMO Ethan was either leaving (since frat rules prevented them from staying over) or went to investigate which is why he was in doorway. I pictured Xana on the far wall opposite the doorway on the floor and the cause of the blood trail. My .02
Agree with Gray that Madison was target - she ignored his instagram dm’s. Kaylee was a surprise to BK. Xana saw BK and said that somebody is here. BK attacked Xana and Ethan saw and yelled at the door (audio exists of dog barking and man yelling). BK attacked Ethan. Went back to Xana. No way BK saw Dylan??? Wouldn’t he have reacted?
BK left and sped off.
Those poor kids.💔
If he made all those drive bys as claimed, he would have recognized the cars usually there, yet kaylees new Land Rover was there that night. He knew other people were there.
You’re of the best in the biz Gray. Your mapping and timeline abilities are bar none tops in the True Crime Community. You sift the Bullsheet better than anyone.
Hit that like Freaks❤!
PS… I also agree with Gray that “someone” was targeted. Who, knows. She can only say what she can say. The stalking of Mogan seems likely. Hard to know the sicko mind of BK but why stalk the way he did without etc
The only tweak I would make would be where Kaylee was initially. From the perspective of a dog mama, I believe Kaylee was with Murphy in her room until the time when she heard something going on. She closed Murphy in the room, rushed to Maddie's and witnessed what was happening. He overtook her and threw her onto the bed between the wall and Maddie.
I agree that Maddie was the target ... Vegans don't have many restaurant choices. He encountered her at Mad Greek.
Yes, he obviously saw one of the girls somewhere, that's what caught his eye
@@christinecheeseman It's so simple... He saw her and became obsessed with her. I would not be surprised if she got snarky at him, angering him even more
I agree Kaylee was originally in her room with Murphy. I think Murphy was alerted to noise, and began shifting around, which woke Kaylee and caused her to say someone's here or IS someone here. I think BK then hid behind door as she was walking to
M's room& he ambushed her from behind, incapacitating her immediately.
Same
But what if both girls were just on Maddie’s bed talking and calling Jack until they fell dozing? What does that do to this theory? What if Kaylee didn’t wake up to put Murphy in her room?
Excellent video
Could Ethan have been attacked at the door and then staggered the short distance across the floor where he slammed into the wall and collapsed? With his size, that could account for the loud thud heard.. Also, possibly when K.B made his remark,perhaps in a sick, psychotic way, was telling her he was helping her in taking her life. Weird as he is, thats the thought I had..
I think Ethan or Xana may have been blocking the door...maybe that's why there was a call about a possible unconscious person. So many questions.
It’s the xana and Ethan situation that just blows my mind. How he managed to kill then without serious noise. The girls upstairs makes sense but yeah Ethan and xana kill just hard to understand how it went down
Perhaps they were. Attacked. In.a different location then staged in the house of course this does not fit the brian agenda
They got attacked by their neck and spinal cord damage you get paralysed and die quickly
@@sandrasenior1289 but we can all
Agree there would of been a small amount of time for xana to make some noise vocally or she was just so stunned at the situation and couldn’t speak
I think Maddie was the target, he didn't expect Kaylee to be in her room... Because Xana was up and said "someone is here" probably woke Ethan up "someone is here" they go to investigate and they were attacked.. I think if Xana was not up, her and Ethan would have not been killed but I don't know this for sure... Maybe if things went to his plan, he would have killed everyone and if this is the case , Dylan and Bethany are very lucky. But I think he was after Maddie and his plan went wrong... Kaylee being in Maddie's room and the noise and Xana being up still.
Mr Gonzalvez said it clearly she called 911 and she texted. I thought the 911 didn't come until 1156am. Now this is the first I hear anyone say she texted and called 911
Hi was there footage from his college apartment parking lot when he returned home ...what was his demeanor..as well when he left in the early hours to go to the king road house was there lot footage and what was his demeanor..was there footage of him cleaning his car on campus
Maybe Xana was assisting a wounded Ethan and then BK came in to “help” her
Awesome show Gray! Imo, i think Madison was the target, or maybe both Madison and Kaylee. Very possible that Madison was killed first.
Kaylees dad stated Maddie was on outside of the bed that was up against the wall, Kaylee on side by wall, that she had no way to escape, and that Kaylee had defensive wounds, so Maddie would have been first in that room
that's how I have it in the image and stated that in the video
@@samanthamaynard7805
I think the medical examiner was going to say Thoracic cavity which is the medical term for upper chest. I don’t think she was going to say throat.
The Goncalves family, having been interviewed previously, have stated that Ethan’s friend who responded to the distress call from one of the roommates said Ethan Chapman was up against the door or on the floor blocking the door. Both Steve and Christie have stated that they both had a sit down with Hunter (I believe) who explained the morning to them and where everyone was located. I don’t believe he lied to them knowing that crime scene photos and the responding officers will be testifying to what they saw coming in.
Great video, thank you❤️
8:41 I agree, she almost said throat. But what I don’t get, is, wouldn’t the killer also be the only one to know there were multiple stab wounds? This is why she shouldn’t have been talking. Specially, not to the media.
Agree 💯. What she had to say didn't further my knowledge of the case. It was a bit confusing, and she clearly wasn't comfortable.
About that Door Dash bag in the Kitchen… what if BK(?) ordered that DD TO get Xana & Ethan to unlock the door to their bedroom.
Oh my! Your speculative scenario is quite creative!
oh my!
@@GrayHughesInvestigates 😅
Drug dealers kill this way and nobody else
Do we know if that is the exact placement of the bed inside of Xana’s room at the time of the attacks or a guesstimate based on the presumption of where the bodies were noted being in the room?
It’s so heartbreaking that Kaylee had to see her best friend slaughtered in front of her.
How was the killer (presumably BK) able to leave Xana's room if a body was blocking the door from opening? How did he get out, but others "couldn't get in" because the door was blocked? Was Ethan/xana still alive momentarily and tried to crawl for help, only to make it to the door? My heart hurts for these kids
it was BK. who said she was blocking the door?
Thank you for this. Easy to follow facts.
Do you think when you thought the Examiner was about to say “throat” she may have been about to say “thorax”???
I made my comment too soon, you answered my question. 🤦♀️
no
you keep repeating over and over and I actually mentioned this exact thing in the video that you obviously didn't watch. @@alisonauchterlonie8212
@@GrayHughesInvestigates I commented too soon, as shown above!
💀 woah cool it dude
The dad talked about Kaylee calling 911 about something. Do you know what that was about?
Thoracic. Then upper chest area.
Coroner could have begun to say "thoracic" but thought laypeople might not know that term. That is the upper chest area.???
I said that in the video
@@GrayHughesInvestigates I caught that after I typed my comment! I should have edited ;)
Good stuff Mr. Hughes.
I def believe it was targeted. I don’t think someone is going with the intent of slaughtering the entire house. I believe there was one target and collateral damage in the form of people who got in the way.
Also I remember there being a video saying one of the roommates yelled be quiet !!
yeah, people will say anything in a video. where is that information documented?
I wish they would come out with the autopsy report so we know for sure the order of attack instead of having to guess, but my opinion is anyone who could do something this brutal of a crime most likely would have killed everyone in that house if he thought he had the time to do it, if he knew Dylan and Bethany where their why wouldn't he think maybe one of them called LE during the attack? so perhaps that's why he left before attacking them he didn't want to stay any longer than he had to.... he also could have tried to open their bedroom doors but they were locked who knows....i think he knew how much time he was going to allow himself and not push it and i wouldn't be surprised if he was happy at how easy and fast it took for him to get in and out.
*were there
@@l.a.3479 oh is that what you got from my comment my misspelling ?
@@lavernhall7535 Yes, it was distracting.
@@l.a.3479 damn that must suck !!.. i mean dam
@@l.a.3479 everyone has to have a purpose in life even if it's just to point out their misspelling.
I never noticed that she started to say that. Wow!
I have a question for Grey, I believe Kohberger was the killer too but how do you believe he carried the knife? Did he just have the sheaf in his hand with the knife in it? That’s kind of what I picture.
I think he just carried the knife. I think there is a good chance the sheath that was cleaned other missing one tiny spot was left intentionally. If not he carried the knife in the sheath in his hand
Not sure if this question has been asked, but do they know if Bryan Kohberger ever been inside the house prior
to the murders? Or did he ever get into a argument/confrontation with any of them? Maybe on social media. Or maybe one of them caught him prior to the murders stalking the house?
Who knows, I think he knew the lay out of the house at least
I do believe he was there at least once!
Why?
I agree that "targeted" was not the way to describe what happened. To most people, that suggests an intimate relationship gone badly or a drug hit...basically, there is no threat to the general public. I understand why some people were upset with that term. Clearly there was a threat to the community.
I believe the house was targeted in itself or maybe Maddie
He was lusting after one of the women
I think when Dillion heard what she thought was Kaylee playing with the dog is when they were being killed and as Kolberger was coming down the stairs Ethan was coming down the hallway and they struggled in the hall and then was either dragged or pushed backward untill he past the doorway and fell to the floor and Xana started to cry and come st Kolberger and that when the wounds to her fingers happened and he cupped her mouth but not before Xana says there is someone here and slices ending and Xana falls to the floor in the doorway . He turns around and never sees Dillion because at this point he has tunnel vision and is focused on getting out of there and his adrenaline was pumping , heartbeat thumping in his ears , and again walks right by Dillions door never seeing her in the crack of the doorway but she sees him ?
right, i have said that in other videos and I think that was around 4:09 am
Honestly though it makes little sense for her to say someones here if ethan had already been attacked does it, I can only see her saying that TO ethan really which doesnt make sense if hes being attacked/dead... Idk maybe not but why would she say that otherwise, if ethan was killed first and she says that after hes killed than why is she saying it/who is she saying it to? It would make sense to say TO ethan either before either of them were attacked or if/while she was being attacked first possibly at or just outside the door....?
@@ar4203Maybe she's saying it to the entire house?
@@el34glo59 i mean idk maybe but I would assume if she had a chance to say something to the entire house after wqtching her biyfriend slaughtered it would be HELP not "theres someone here", that sounds like something she is saying to ethan in a more fearful concerned way not a "i just watched someone get murdered & would be screaming bloody murder of i had the chance" way... regardless, I posted a seperate comment but I can no longer find it, idk if if got deleted for some reason, maybe because I included a link in it idk, but on that comment i was sharing a link to a photo that shows part of xana's room, she might have moved it aroubd since the photo( i kind of doubt it as it seems to align with the evidence but idk), which shows that she has her bed against the wall exactly where gray has ethan in this video animation, the bes is shown against that left wall& parallel to it(so essentially the top of the bed/where the pillows would be faces the wall that the door is on, so laying in bed youd be facing the wall the door is on, and the side of the lefr is against that left wall where gray has ethans head in this animation)...that suggests that ethan was probably found in the bed, and xana on the floor, which might make xana saying "somones here" to ethan make alot of sense if she saw or heard them & either got up/or was already up kind of thing, though exactly how it all went down idk
Spot on gray. All ima say is The blood on the side of the outside of the house always felt looney tunes too me. What kinda building structure allows blood to seep the rough the structure of a HOUSE. Idk. It means nothing but that element always seemed bizarre as someone whose been a part of constructing crews
7:30 honestly, her interviews did more harm of the prosecution case than good. They should’ve told her to stop talking.
I agree
The points you are trying to make.. are easily picked apart. Like what are you getting at when she says they have defensive wounds.? Didn’t this lady perform the autopsy.? So she would know about defensive wounds. And we were told they had defensive wounds. What is the significance in you pointing that out.? And when she said they were found in bed.. she was talking about by Bryan. And if you’re going to say she almost said throat… then let it play for everyone instead of cutting it off so no one can fully hear what she says.
Ashley Banfield interview, Yes I agree with you about the throat injury.
Steve Gonsalves interveiw ,what is this about Kaylee texting him, was this after 3am?
I think Ethan was laying from the direction from the door to up against wall across the bed.
Do you think murderer may have had trouble with stabbing the girl because of quilted blanked. Would that explain the tearing wounds.
Do you think Xana thought it was the door dash driver and send Ethan to speak with the driver and Ethan walks around the corner and sees the murderer and says oh and gets into it and gets pushed back into Xana room recieveing fatal injuries.
It doesn’t make sense for the killer to bother dragging Ethan’s dead weight into the room. Maybe he was just attacked in the hallway and the fight finished inside the room.
Grey is it possible the bed was not to the window? I am a woman and I wouldn't put my bed under the window. Other thing is that the bed is seen when the door is open. I would feel uncomfortable if people can see my bed directly through the open door. Is it possible the bed to be in the corner on the place of Ethan? He could be on the bed with his back to the wall. That can explain why he is not seen and the blood. What do you think?
Any ideas about the dog, like where was it found
I didn’t take it to mean that he had to go into the room to see Ethan because he simply used the word “also” saying “also in the room was a deceased male”. Even if let’s just say, he could see both at once as he approaches the room, he has to list one first either way, so whether he says “I could see a deceased female, also in the room was a deceased male” or “I could see a deceased male, also In the room was a deceased female” either way, he has to list one then then other, even when he’s saying he could see both at one time through the doorway. I hope that made sense.
That to me, combined with the photos & videos showing what appears to be 2 mattresses with a significant amount of blood on them, would mean that someone was either initially wounded in Xana’s bed (but we know she was in the floor because it specifically says so), so it would mean Ethan was either initially wounded on the mattress then went to the floor if he was found in the floor, or Ethan was killed on the mattress and he was found mattress. I had always thought on the mattress but your animation as me undecided on that for now and leaving these thoughts.
I suppose it could be said that the blood on Xana’s mattress is not from Ethan being initially wounded on it as he was lying on it, nor is it from him being killed on her bed, and that the blood on Xana’s mattress is cast off or the result of their wounds dripping, etc but the photos seemed to show 2 different mattresses that each had a large amount of blood in them, some would even say each had body shaped blood stains, but I can’t quite see that.
And if we are to believe Steve & Kristi Goncalves, one more note is that they have now said that Kaylee was found slumped in the corner of Maddie’s bed.
Awesome model of the house and presentation Gray!
But then I read it again and because he says “I could see A body” that makes me believe he did only see one body at first, meaning you could only see one body as you approached the door, and you had to go through the door/inside the room the room to see Ethan.
Then again, he could also still just be saying “I could see a body, on the floor.. a female…and I could see a second body next to that one” for example. Not a good way to phrase it imo and probably not likely how it was phrased, but it is possible.
Ultimately I was just trying to figure out if Ethan was found on Xana’s mattress or on her floor, and if he was found on the floor what’s with the blood on the mattress if Xana was also found on the floor? Or is it the photos of what appears to be blood on Xana’s mattress that 😮are what is unreliable here?
Thanks again, this was a thought provoking animation, model, description, video.
Very Early on in the investigation Olivia Goncalves told another creator that she got into Kayleigh’s Phone including her social media account & found Koburger following BOTH maddie & Kayleigh had liked a few pictures/comments Olivia said she took this to the detectives … i feel you are right he was targeting Maddi … but as the girls were so close possibly looking at BOTH?
Also didnt police feel he had been to the house on several occasions & wouldn’t have recognised Kayleigh’s new car?
*Goncalves
*you're or you are
Hi Gray
Just watching this excellent video for the second time to see what I may have missed.
I'll try to be more succinct this time.
I concur with your theories on many aspects of this crime, because they make the most sense in my mind too.
I believe Kohberger knew from previous reconnaissance missions that the glass sliding doors were left unlocked, so that was his entry and exit point. Xana was still awake as we know and I think it's most likely she was the one Dylan heard say, "someone's here".
Madison was his target I believe, regardless of what the coroner said. Her interview and Bill Thompson's were in the very early days, so they had much less information to base their theories on. Kohberger had been parking, I would think, where you showed us, so it was likely Madison's room he was watching for months previous. As more info surfaced, we learned he had liked all of Maddie's posts/pics on social media and she also worked at the Mad Greek where he'd been. This all points to her being the target. I'm thinking once he found her house and vantage point to view her bedroom specifically, how close he could get for a quick get away and the open sliding doors, it all lined up for him perfectly.
Unfortunately he didn't expect Kaylee to be with Madison in her bed, so this instantly derailed his plan and fantasy. Kaylee would have awakened and fought with him when he was attacking Maddie, so she endured more vicious stab wounds as her dad reported early on.
Ethan and Xana were next, I believe, but Xana was still alive when he left to go upstairs again to look for the sheath. As the dog was barking and time was precious, he ran back down, heard Xana whimpering, said "it's okay I'm going to help you" and then he dealth the final deadly blow to Xana.
I know law enforcement said it was a targeted attack, even though both the coroner and prosecutor stopped short of relaying this at the time and I agree the coroner was about to say throat before she changed it to upper body stab wounds. Basically, I think your theories are correct with the information we've had over time. I'm not just agreeing with you for the sake of it. These are my own take away also. They just happen to align with yours. The part I took from you directly though was him returning upstairs before hearing xana etc. I hadn't understood what happened there. I definitely thought it wasn't Ethan saying those words, but rather the offender. Your theory made it very plausible in my mind, so I copied that bit.
Thanks for your work, Gray. These videos are so helpful in putting it all together.
I also believe Ethan was in the bathroom. Not surprised by BK(?) in the Livingroom or hall.
Thus BK(?) slips into XK room and hush hush’s her. Then surprise attacks Ethan upon his return. He then attacks a whimpering then fighting Xana at the south wall of her room.
hush hush her? I don't know about that. the rest is pretty good
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Oh, I was referring to the “I’m here to help .” From BK(?). Not the words “hush, hush”.
I think Xana was quieted by BK(?) after her initial whimpering. Which moments later turned to crying as she witnessed BK(?) jump Ethan from behind. Her fighting moment was probably more grunts and groans than crying or sobbing. Typical adrenaline response.
I think BK(?) rushed Ethan (possibly) out of the shadows of her closet, because I saw an Instagram pic and there didn’t appear to be a door on the closet. BK(?) may have backed into that cubbyhole. As if speaking to Xana he was there to help protect her by ambushing an imaginary intruder. But in reality BK(?) was waiting to surprise attack Ethan.
BK(?) may have not known it was Ethan and could have expected Xana was having a slumber party with a sorority sister or out of town guest. Possibly even her sister for a college visit? It’s not clear to me how much homework BK(?) did, and what his knowledge of the cars was.
I guess it would be possible to watch the cars leave over the course of a Saturday to see who drives what but I don’t think he was that planned. I think some of this was anger or rage just peaking and he may have liked other aspects of the night. Like a big college weekend winding down leading to tired, inebriated, some sleeping target(s), and the almost full moon that night. (86% Gibbous).
I think that only Maddie was asleep. I think Kaylee had been but was awakened by BK(?) entering (or breaking in) to the MM bedroom. And I think both Ethan and Xana were just winding down. Eating the DD delivery, posting to TicTock, (possibly) using the bathroom. But, not asleep yet. May have had their lights out but only for a minute or so.
Gray, did you make the video that proves BK(?) and the DD driver crossed paths not far from LL x Taylor? I may have the content creator mixed up. I thought for sure it was you, but I can’t find it anywhere. I’ll keep looking on other sites too. It was really well done.
There is a theory Ethan was in bed lying on his stomach and attacked first before Xanna who was in the bathroom. BK hide behind the door and when she came out surprised her and said I’m here to help you and then attacked her which is why she was on the floor.
I always thought it was Xana who said "somebody is here".
Just curious do you know what if any kind of ceiling fixtures were in their bedrooms e.g. fans,light fixtures,smoke detectors
I wonder if Kaylee was referring to the doordash delivery when she said, "somebody is here"..?..
I love this video. Gray, you’re the man. Nobody else has illustration and map skills as good as yours
23:26 Gray, it's interesting that your 3d model shows Xana's door opening outward. That is just a facet of the model and it allows the door to open inward or outward correct? Is the hinge side correct but you've not confirmed concretely that the door necessarily swings into the room yet?
yes, that was an error I just opened it randomly as you can rotate however you want so I could show through the door. You know what's amazing is how nitpicky you guys are on the smallest little thing when none you question the clown on anything. lol...it's amazing.
the door swings inward.
@@GrayHughesInvestigates Sorry to seem nitpicky. It was just that it looks interesting in the model with the door position relative to the bed. It being blocked by a body and especially as you depict, with the bed/bedframe so close to the door.. it could possibly make it hard/impossible for roommates open enough to see the crime initially.
Possibly xana and maddy were the targets and the other two who weren’t expected were just collateral damage. Since Kaylee had a new car maybe he didn’t know she was there.
I believe he did. Most of the windows didn't have blinds or curtains. BK had been stalking them/the house for a while. He was observing their patterns when they were home and more than likely their schedules too. He knew basic areas of the bedrooms and common areas.
could be. I think Maddie is more the incel hater object
Overall, i think you are on point and have done the reseach to know.
I also think it might have been Xana who said "Someone's here", but maybe it was Bethany, downstairs, when the Door Dash person showed up, yelling upstairs that someone was there. ?? Perhaps Murphy was already agitated when he heard someone come to the door. I guess it would depend on the timing of it all. But I agree, I don't think it was Kaylee saying that though.