Mad respect for Kaylee's dad!!!! My dad went door to door with a.38 looking for the answers when my brother was beat almost to death and left out in the country in the snow. He solved the crime in mere minutes
Most of us parents worry about car wrecks taking our children away but then stuff like this happens. I truly pray that they catch the evil person or people who are responsible for these ungodly acts. My heart breaks for the families who have lost their family members and my condolences go out to them.
@Real Aiglon You typed that out of emotion and a preconceived notion. You didn't read her entire comment before you commented and you moved on. Thats very reckless. I'll bet you troll others for fun to feed your ego. Also your bold lettering says you like attention...doesn't matter if it's good or bad hence your insatiable ego. Nothing matters unless it happens to you right? You're more than likely a sociopath. Have a good day!
I agree with some who are saying they’re not giving the local police and FBI enough credit. The local police dept is a small department as well. Crime scene processing and evidence processing takes time. Sometimes, it takes a lot of time, especially when there was so much biological evidence everywhere (not to mention that it was a party house, so they’ll likely find a ton of prints, that they have to sort through as well). People want to think it’s super easy to solve crimes because they’ve watched some CSI tv show and some documentaries but the truth of the matter is that with that much blood, and that many victims, just simply processing *those* parts of the scene for evidence is tedious and incredibly time consuming. Let alone, the rest of the house, surrounding areas, verifying alibis, contacting witnesses and following leads, etc etc etc. It’s a lot. Way more than most people can even imagine, and especially if they have the “standards” of TV crime dramas and forensic processing times, in their mind. Anyway, I do hope that they find the person(s) responsible and are able to give these families (and the community) closure. That’d be a very tough scene to process. We have to be patient. If they didn’t take their time, then THAT would be problematic.
This comment! I’m tempted to like and share this to all the video comment sections bc you’re 100% right! This was a horrible monstrous vicious crime! It’s so sad, and I’d imagine the scene was a mess! They have a lot of work to do!! I pray they find this beast asap!
If Law&Order can do it in 60 minutes then I dont see why it has taken them weeks to figure all this out. It almost seems like the police are covering for the killer,maybe helping him out and giving him new victims. Maybe the FBI or even the CIA is behind it. To divert attention from China and the JFK assassination.
I agree with almost everything you said, the only thing I don't understand is why does digital processing have anything to do with this? (Besides the food truck video.)
As a true crime watcher/reader for over 20 years. "The Gainesville Ripper" and obviously Bundy, came to mind when I heard about this case. I have a 23-year-old daughter and I have thought her everything I can provide from my knowledge of being a true crime "fan". It's tragic that one of many rules/tips I've planted in her head - "going out to a bar/club together, going home together." didn't do any good here. Take care, and thoughts to everyone involved. Take care. 💕 from Norway.
I agree 100% on comparing it to Bundy! Nobody ever suspected his “profile” until there was witnesses. He stalked the college campus! He murdered how many people before there was even any witnesses???? And none of the murders was even “connected” until there was finally witnesses as well. People need to step back for a moment and look with fresh eyes
And lock all door. Bundy got in a side door to a sorority and went in the 2 bedrooms where the doors were unlocked. One serial killer said he never entered a locked door. In him crazy mind, he thought if people left their doors open, it gave him permission to come in and do what he wanted.
Same here. I google everyday on this. I Google mapped and walked the area . The apt. house is blurred out on ground level. Had to be someone that was familiar with where they were going. I would think there is a handful of suspects by now. The forensic evidence just has to have a match with a suspect. Time will tell.
People really need to put proper locks on the home. The home owner is very laxed and why are there no cameras on the home. The outside of the home doesn't give a inviting feeling. The homeowner gives me the impression of not caring. In this day and age I am shocked why there are no cameras on the entire perimeter of the home. The way it is built it gives a strange feeling.
@@Kimberly_11 we can be absolutely sure we will and do cross evil everyday just by living on earth. This is satans domain and the challenges are many. Our job is to find the Lord and maintain a relationship with the Creator before our time here is up so we can insure eternity with him when we go✝️
Have cops secured a warrant to search Showalter's apartment, car, parent's home, etc for DNA and other evidence. Showalter was likely the last person to see the girls alive, and then promptly left the country. Can't imagine a judge denying that warrant.
Exactly what I have been saying. Also is hoodie guy confirmed as JS, the guy who- 1. Lived next door to the girls 2. Who left the country 3.was cleared by police, therefore couldnt have been terribly injured from the murders, and anyway probably healed by now 3. Left the scene of the crime, drove to parents,was cleared and left the country. A search warrant can still determine his DNA and the fbi are experienced enough to do worldwide investigations. This case can't go cold, but it is beginning to take twists and turns and getting "political" due to Steve (Kaylees dad) being vocal in the manner he has, saying parents aren't getting on, there is a conspiracy,people aren't coming to town, and a witch hunt on hoodie guy -which can be seen on youtube)
@@retro000 yeah l wonder how he got cleared right away , the culprit knows the girls , the interior of the house and was confident walking inside a house with six ppl knowing the victims are probably drunk and asleep so they wont fight and about the wounds if he is good with knives and wearing thick gloves he may not be seriously injured esp that the type of knife used can help him avoid cuts so if JS is innocent all he really needs is give DNA or solid alibi to shut every mouth and close this chapter
3 1/2 weeks isn't long for a crime scene of this magnitude. Js It takes longer than that to confirm DNA evidence etc..You can't rush any investigation.
@@gabrielgalaxygh I think we just want to try to stay optimistic and have hope while they work. It's like the man said, if there's no "smoking gun" then they have tons of things to go through. Can't give up. We waited 5+ for Abby and Libby so we have to keep the energy positive that the killer will be caught. imo ✌️
Why can’t they bring anyone suspects in for questioning even? People confess all the time when legally pressed. I don’t get it. There’s obvious people that should be questioned.
Let's say they had 1 piece of evidence guy did it. Not enough to arrest. They could know and still having to put the full picture together. They also have to show they investigated others. Big job. Gotta be done right.
FYI from someone that lived in Moscow I never locked my house, cars. Left car keys and wallet under my seat. I moved from Cali to Moscow and even though it was a college town this kinda stuff didn't happen there everyone would wave when you drive by not knowing you. Very friendly town. I absolutely loved Moscow I never felt fearful living there always safe. It's very sad this in my opinion has tainted poor Moscow. RIp 4 young lives lost and prayers to family and friends my 💔for you all
The city of 30,000 people I grew up in was safe, we never felt the need to lock doors, But that was 50 years ago. Now I live in a rural township that is mostly farm land and housing developments. We never had a murder where I live, even today. However there is a College close by and there are people there from all over the world, so I lock my doors. Most of us here are very well armed and many of my neighbors are hunters, outdoor people and a number of us have prior military service. I'm not concerned, but I don't trust anyone I don't know.
That’s how it is in Canada, well from footage I watched a few years ago. The ppl in Canada just never locked their doors and I guess they are armed with more firearms than Americans but they have less crime, they think it’s because of the media. They don’t report as much negativity on the news as the US but the video games are really violent tho, still less shooting crimes. Anyways I just remembered them not locking the their doors and I thought that was risky but for a long time that’s how it just was. I wonder if it’s still the same now
Can't tell you how many times I found the sliding glass door unlocked at the townhouse my daughter lived in with four other girls , while at university.
I find it hard to believe that someone can enter a house with atleast 6 people inside. Brutally murder 4 of them and leave without a trace. No one heard or saw anything and no DNA left behind.
The roommates had to have been part of it not physically but they set up Kaylee I think she was target and Ethan n Xana woke up so they had to go but whoever did this was in coohots w the roommates that’s how they knew exactly when to come in someone cleaned up !!! They HAD TO HAVE HELP FROM THE ROOMMATES the thing is they weren’t suppose to kill all 4 like I said before Kaylee and prob Maddie were the targets there’s no way anyone would risk entering a house w 6 people 6 phones!!! 6 chances of 911 getting called a million cars outside and a dog!!!!! Think about it people!!!! They had to have been orchestrated by the roommates!!
Exactly its all bullshit and they expect everyone to believe and even tell everyone dont worry the public isn't in danger... even though we have no idea who the quadruple murder suspect is... Man that police department is so damn stupid
@@Shynestarlight2013 100% no stranger passing through picked this as the house. No person, even knowing them and been there before would be able to "commit the perfect crime" killing 4 ,no barking dog, no sounds heard from below and get out in an hour? The house is a party house they said people come and go and have the key pad . This person had inside knowledge! I could go on and on
Could possibly be a serial killer tho. A serial killer wouldnt be phased in killing 4 people with a knife but then abit random to just turn up in, Moscow, Idaho. Can’t even really see sumone who was aggravated by the 4 or 1 of the 4 to just randomly go and stab the 4 students. This is why everyone is so intrigued. Who the fuck was it!!
@@trevorohare2735Israel Keyes only has 3 confirmed victims. Of those 3, 2 were a couple that he killed at the same time, the other victim was kidnapped and killed at a different location and time. He never killed 4 at once. However, Richard Speck did kill 8 nurses in the same house, same night by strangling and stabbing, so it does happen unfortunately.
@@racheltaylor3109 Only 3 confirmed but they know he is guilty of many more.. That is why the FBI classified him as the most intelligent and terrifying serial killer ever documented.. Because he was really good at it...
its annoying getting stuck with JB he is a cute young man but yeah you know what I'm talking about Brian does all the research I want HIM talking to professionals, not JB who has NEVER even been in the trenches There I said it
Peter Massey is the first person who has mentioned the necessity of a family / victim advocate. Absolutely Sir. Had there been one or more individuals assigned to the families alot of this mis communique and raw emotions could have been avoided
When my daughter was in university a year ago , I used to tell her daily to keep the doors locked, because once a person gain access to your room with bad intentions, you're in trouble. She used to tell me the students are not like that, and I would tell her you never know.
This has been the most multilayer discussion on this case that is actually worth watching. Thank you for peeling back the layers of how data and the existent to which these high profile cases involves. More than anyone could imagine not to mention other cases that are occurring daily that also need processing at labs etc etc. may parents be able to find some kind of peace and rest for them during this lengthy time of sadness.
Finally, a great source of how really difficult the entire forensic process is, from electronic forensic gathering processing, to biological forensic evidence gathering and processing. Hopefully, videos like this will increase and level set people’s expectations on reasonable timelines for processing leads, evidence, etc. ESPECIALLY victim family members’ expectations. This should go a long way in tamping down frustrations and accusations against the investigators trying to solve these murders.
@@georgeswift4063 Okay, so you know for a fact they are doing nothing but “twiddling their thumbs”? How do you know this? Are you intimately involved with the investigators and what they are doing? And what additional murders is the killer committing? I haven’t heard of any additional murders being committed by this killer. But you apparently do, so what murders are you talking about? The FBI is already working on the case. What “Big Guns” are you referring to? The military? Mossad? The Mafia? The Boy Scouts? You are very emotional and hyperbolic with your declarations. Do you have anything to back them up?
@@georgeswift4063 What do you want them to do snap their fingers and naturally come up with a killer? How dumb can you be....Did you not watch the entire video? It's complicated moron. smh
I think police do have more evidence than they can share to keep integrity of investigation. These are 4 beautiful young men and women with 4 distinct personalities. Police have a heck of a difficult job to siphon through. Pray for a speedy solid lead and suspect or suspects! Lord Jesus Guide The Police and Detectives to solve this horrific quadruple cold blooded murder✝️❤️🙏
Really helped my understanding of the sheer volume of evidence and time needed to assemble and analyze it. It is going to be agonizing to wait for the family.
My heart and prayers go out to the victims, their families, loved ones and friends. These kids should still be here today, planning their trips home for the holidays and what the New Year holds for them. Their families should not be grieving the lives lost of children taken too soon and planning memorials for a final goodbye. This killer was cold hearted, brutal and without mercy and I hope and pray they are found and spared no mercy like they showed their victims.
My biggest point to make here is that the killer left his DNA ( probably blood / hair ) in the house. The killer seems to have knowledge of the house & people in it. Wouldn't expect the killer to be a random passerby considering the weapon used is up close & personal. This was a Brutal slaughter for someone with a grudge against either one or all these people. The killer was also clever enough to not leave an obvious clue behind or else they would already be behind bars. So pre planned to a certain extent is part of my guess.
Best interview and most helpful interview I have heard. This complex crime scene takes time. I'm sure they are being as quick and accurate as they can. They, like us, want the case solved and the perpetrator brought to justice.
GREAT VIDEO!! I've watched a bunch of youtube videos on the Idaho Murders since I found out about them about a week ago (I don't watch msm nor listen to much radio anymore); but since I learned of it I've been down the rabbit hole... And this gentleman's (Thomas') explanation of why it takes so long to chase down digital information is BY FAR the best I've heard and makes complete sense. Thank You. Both of these guys, Thomas and Peter, are top-rate and clearly great professionals who understand what the Moscow PD/Investigators/SP/FBI are faced with here. Great insights and, in some cases, much needed reiterating common sense that too few folks have anymore.
I watched the Netflix doc on the Texas Field Murders in Texas. It's been decades and some of those cases (35 abducted and murdered girls from the 70s thru the 90's!! ) are unsolved. One dad is now 75 and he is still searching for answers. Many of the parents of those girls went to their graves never getting justice. Its so sad! A few cases were solved but only because one victim got away and was able to identify one man, and another man was caught via ancestral DNA. It's nuts how clustered the Texas murders were. It was like a community full of men murdering women. The police were passive in the 80s and early 90's. It's maddening how passive some police departments are on these cases and how they botch up evidence, or it simply just goes missing. 🤷♀️ So many men get away, literally, with murder. Also, just curious, have they looked to see if any Idaho criminals were recently released in Moscow, or even sex offenders that live in that area? Not all sex crimes involve Rape. In the Texas cases they found 2,100!! You'd be surprised how many people like that live in small quiet towns.
@@shellycrace2322 I know, it broke my heart. He has sure done a lot though helping other families with search and rescue. His whole life ended up being devoted to it. So sad. I can't imagine 😢
@@lynnecage3271 Hi from the US! I am sad reading about all the murders and abductions happening in the US right now. I can hardly watch the news and at the same time, I also have too check in and see if these cases get solved. Each day, nothing changes. 😕
oct 1998 in Milwaukee Wisconsin...my 16 year old son (was living with his father at the time) he was shooting pool in a room off a bar,when a monster pulled out a gun n shot Joey twice... Because he was winning. I'm telling you all...there is nothing in this world that compares to losing a child! My heart truly goes out to these family's....i feel every bit of they're pain. If your the person responsible for this...and are reading this, turn yourself in...so the family's can go on with they're lives, please
@@amandasmith7323 thank you hunny. It is hard...im finally in a time in my life, it's 2 days a year. Joey's birthday n the day in October...that are the worse. After 15 years of therapy..i have some contol
You don't feel their pain because this has absolutely NOTHING to do with YOU!!! 🤡🙄 I'll never understand why people ALWAYS want to make the story about themselves!!?
Oh my gosh...I have new respect for these detectives. It is so easy to sit at your computer and make judgements, but, this is out of our hands and we have to have faith in these trained officers.
I find it very disturbing when I see cases like this being hijacked by SM & become spectacles for every blogger/arm chair detectives & psychics & retired LE & PI's & gossipers & on & on who can't wait to crawl out of the woodwork to chime in for instant gratification. It's so exploitive.
The cars should've been removed within 24 hours to a secure warehouse. By waiting 3 weeks they've been touched by dozens of people, leaving more prints to process.
may? They will for sure do it again and if caught probably wont be linked to these murders, these 4 will never get justice, the police fucked up the crime scene
Four murders, not one . The killer had 9 hours to make his getaway in the dead of night. LE have a MAMMOTH task to solve this, if they can at all. The killer must have known how not to leave any traces of his crime at the scene. There may not be much evidence and you say they f....d up. F....d up what? They can only work with the evidence they have.This crime may never be solved even with the best detectives out there.
@@tammykosiancic It's not actually stuff "we all know," because if "we all knew" it, a good chunk of us wouldn't be whining about how the process is taking too long.
Exactly. Especially to the idiots who think it's easy to solve and blame the police department and FBI. They have to be very careful on how they handle this. If they make an early arrest the guy could actually hire and good Defense attorney and get him off. There is no weapon or evidence left behind.
Authorities probably have the suspect(s) already. Not arresting them right now and instead keeping an eye on them. Waiting for the perfect time with as much evidence as possible before making an arrest. Prayers to the family. Be patient. Karma will be served.
I have to disagree something just tells me that they wouldn’t be sitting back while a quadruple murder just goes about his business whether they thought he was involved or not he would be in bars right now even if they had an inkling of an idea he would be behind bars while they investigate further not the other way around that doesn’t make any sense to investigate and let the suppose suspect roam free even if they had him under 24 hour surveillance it’s still too risky considering what he did…. this is one of those cases where they would 100% have the suspect in custody. I know you can’t just hold people just a hold them but even if they had a fraction of a reasonable doubt.
1122 King Rd (the crime scene) and Queen Rd (where Showalter lived) are 2 tiny streets that intersect each other, You could toss a softball from one apartment to the other - with ease.
@@tammyallen8205 If you google map 1122 King Rd, you'll see 2 big apartment buildings right behind the crime scene. Showalter's apartment is in one of those. Not sure which one. Both buildings are less than 60 feet from the crime scene.
Thank you Mr. Massey, for speaking in support of law-enforcement. We should know that they feel as horrible about this situation as the rest of us, but their responsibility right now is so huge, and important. We should be supporting them instead of making their job more difficult. This monster needs to be found and punished, so the rest of us can feel a little safer.
That’s what I’ve been telling people since the beginning. Maybe he was stalking them to track and learn their movements, when they left he entered the house through the sliding glass door, they were gone for hours which gave him time to learn the houses interior. He then located a safe place to hide before they got home and waited for them to go to sleep. At around 3 to 4am he killed the first two on the top floor then worked his way down to the second floor killed the next two and left the way he came in. That’s why he never went to the first floor where the two survivors were sleeping, he didn’t haft to cause his exit was on the second floor.
No I heard that six people went into the house neighbors have cameras six people can be seen walking into the house that was not information from the police however it was from some of the students and neighbors that said they actually did investigating their selves because the police are worthless. So if that’s true maybe the police know about it and just haven’t release that information but it was released by the public six people went into the house
@@nipnip2551 ¿ Stalking them?? These are two different crime scenes inside one house. Two different pairs with two different evening plans. Makes no sense this theory
What happened was a bunch of people ran into a crime scene and completely contaminated it and did a bad job it's just the way it is and it really is heart breaking.
I wonder if they did actually suspect JS early on but couldn’t say anything, merely because they told the community “we don’t have a suspect” (because they don’t want to show their hand), but they also said “we don’t believe the community is in danger” because they knew he was already in South Africa, so he wouldn’t be an imminent threat.
Bingo!!!! I said this same thing. Early on LE was asked if there was an imminent threat to the community and LE said NO. MY Thoughts is le already have a pretty good idea who it is
They did initially say there wasn’t a threat to the community but then a couple days later they backtracked on that and said they cannot say there is no threat to the community they have misspoke and backtracked on a lot of things and have fumbled this from the beginning I have zero faith in MPD and LCSO they are lazy corrupt and completely incompetent
OK JB you now have a new fan, I love how you explain that things take time and the police are doing their best, THANK YOU! This is not a TV show, this is real life
Doing what? If he was, he had time to determine that the lower rooms had occupants. The 4 victims were all in bed asleep...you think the killer waited for them to get home and fall asleep?
I'm just horrorified that there was blood leaking out from under the siding! I cannot in my worst nightmare fathom the inside! Omg heaven be with friends and family. I'm so sorry for your loss!!
Blood atonement. mormon ritual killing w moron bowie knives by Danite killers. Blood is purposefully let to run into the ground? Do the soul of that person is not brot in worst hell. It can move closer to god. So blood dropping to us may seem bad? But it's like a specially conferred blessing to that petdon. Dont ve horrified. It's their religious views.
@@EmilyLucille523 Yet the media loves showing that picture. Makes it look gruesome. BTW there definitely shouldn't be heating oil leaking through a dam floor. What kind of heater did they have exactly? Oil heat?
The families should be sat down and explained about all the tests needed on how many pieces ) items that need to be analyzed. Just tell them realistically how long it'll take for the forensics . The digital sources can respond much quicker than testing can. Often digital forensics are as important as other forensics in following leads and time lines all needed to both guide and solve the murders. Expressing sympathy and commitment ,plus expertise in solving this horrific case. I'm sorry for the loss of these beautiful victims. What a terrible loss. Karen Morente
@@k.wright8095I so agree!! Don’t just go radio silent with the families! Be honest with them and explain the processes so they don’t feel abandoned and totally in the dark!!
@@txgal6855 cant do that. what if.. what if it turned out to be one if the family members? Not all of the ppl.. but just one? One who killed those 4.? Would you want that one person to know every step the cops are taking? Or even what if it's a bf or gf or bff of a family member? And feds n cops confide in families, secure in *their innocence... Yet, they, in their grief which is extreme, confide in a well known neighbor? or a cousin... whoever? And they allow their suffering to push them into sharing and what they said in confidence and in grief, in a game of telephone, gets twisted its passed innocently along - Only for the killer to hear some mucked up version of some stupid thing? And he trots off off & kills a mom n a sibling, thinking they had id'ed him. When they had not. Nor could they. But the killer acted on the, basically, gossip and more ppl in these families died? That would just be so much worse. Wouldn't it? And no one could ever change things. No amount of wishing theyd just not confided is going to ever make it right, not after it went oh so wrong. There is still a killer out there, loose. And he is not rational...
@@RandoLePerson hey listen you!!!!! I’m not in any way a dingus, you dingus…… just saying there is a way of consoling these parents and explaining where they are at without giving away everything…..it’s called instilling confidence dingus😡
They could have left their phone at home, come in the unlocked back door, did their messy work, rumage thru their clothes and shoes (heard bellow), changed and put their messy stuff in walmart bag with them down stairs and out front door and rode off on a bike.
Ugh..everyday I check to see if there’s been an update. I want the person responsible caught. I want to see justice for these kids. Although, I understand it takes time for these cases to be solved. What gets me about this case is that there’s four beautiful souls who won’t be there on Christmas morning and four families that are torn apart. It’s all just too terrible to really fathom. 😢😢😢
Honestly the father has shown first hand why information isn’t shared with them, they are emotional and ready to lash out, I can only imagine what the families are going through and as a father of an eleven year old I realise how world shattering this would be, still LE cannot risk ruining the case, it’s been a rule of thumb forever for a reason, I can’t believe people don’t comprehend it.
I completely agree with you! He cant be trusted with any info bc he would run to the media and tell everything! Ppl like his is exactly why they don’t release some details. He needs to talk to a therapist, not the media. He could’ve potentially helped the suspect get away if he wasnt caught.
Moscow and the University is a relatively peaceful, low crime community. And a crime of this magnitude is so out of the norm that the Moscow Police Department is quite possibly not sophisticated enough, nor experienced enough to solve it.
The community wants answers too along with the family because we want to feel safe and currently we don’t being tight lipped misspeaking and constant backtracking is doing nothing to help assure the community we aren’t in danger of someone can do something this horrific they are capable of anything and clearly willing to
@@applepie9576 not really. I just saw a story about how a family of 5 moved into the watts family home and their are.tons of other examples. Some people just don't care and will take advantage of a deal
Agree! Girls do a lot of screaming, like when at college football games and of course when they are being attacked. I find it hard to believe that neither of the surviving couple heard any screams.
We don't owe it to them to calm the F down when they've been as incompetent as they have. We've been really patient for 3 weeks plus. And they've just asked for local surveillance from people. Are you young enough to know that's stupid? So we fully support them, we have fully supported them. With tried to stay in our lane. We've asked questions. But if you think asking questions means we need to calm the F down, then you don't live in the same country I do. I'm going to ask questions. Especially when it's a mass murder, and corruption has happened before in situations like this. This is a college town. A lot of money is on the line if this town becomes a ghost town. These cops aren't acting like normal cups in normal murders that we've watched so why? Is it because somebody told them to make this case die? It's a valid question because the dad was going to put up wanted posters to get the public to call in with any information they might have or surveillance last week. He was told no don't do that. They don't want wanted posters around town. Doesn't seem a bit odd to you that it's more important to them to maybe be trying to get this to go into a cold case where people forget about it then solve it? I'm not saying that's what they're doing, but it's happened and there's signs of it happening. So if they're not doing that then they won't mind the families asking for help from the community.
I just find out about this tragedy yesterday. OMG it's been few weeks and they still got no clue who did it. Hopefully the families will get the answer soon. I feel sorry for 4 of them, they're still young full of hopes and dreams. And no matter who did this, that person is not supposed to be in the public anymore, this is so cruel.
the sad part is that as im writing this its 38 days later and they even have no suspect. sad sad sad. usually they have a suspect at this point in time. but nothing. this investigation is just messed up. i dont know who or what is making it this difficult as we dont have all the details but i pray that justice will win. so sad. 😢
I don't think they will find the person. Look at the rich kids in the pictures, they obviously got pissy with the wrong random poor person. And that's my theory.
So as a landlord renting to college kids I am surprised there wasn't some outdoor security cameras on that house. I cant even pretend to know fully what these families are going through , but any of us that have a heart are hurt deeply when anyone is murdered , but especially kids. I think this is going to be a forensics case 100 % , those 4 people were brutally stabbed , and what happens when a killer uses a knife ? They cut themselves. I guarantee they are going to find some unknown blood , some unknown prints , this case will be solved. As far as the door being unlocked , I agree that they probably did not lock the doors . The last murder there was 2015. I don't think for a minute they even worried about locking doors. I feel like the investigators are getting a bad rap , there is so much to these investigations , the average person has no clue what all goes into this . Remember the Delphi murders was just solved , after 3 years , so have more faith .
This is a little different. Alot different actually. It's a quadruple homicide in a house where 100 kids have been. Partying etc. And kids before they lived there too. There's DNA everywhere. It was a knife.
This news source has been one of the most well thought out, well questioned of all the top label news channels to date . This narrator asks questions to qualified guests that are within the parameter of what is being provided to the public . Law officials obviously want to solve this horrific slaughter but so many networks have guests where the banter is all about the “what if “ scenario…. They project imaginary situations that could have happened which is not helpful for the public . Let’s leave law enforcement to do their job !
The person who did this crossed over the University golf course, crossed 1 field and hopped an early morning gas train in the train yard less than 1.5 miles away to the west. The home is one of the few homes in all of Moscow that would be easy to do that, it's as close to the train yard as you can get. Though I can't say for sure, when I heard that he used a knife with a hilt, this is someone who knows what they were doing and planned out their escape route. They are not from Idaho and now could be anywhere in the country. Where I live in an adjacent state, there are tons of young males who look very questionable who ride the rails and show up in town. I live in a town very similar to Moscow, people drift through on the trains and you'd never know who they are or when they came or left
In a sick, twisted way, the suspect picked the perfect house when it comes to dna. So many ppl back and forth. I remember my college days, we had a similar home, and people were in and out all the time. That’s assuming the suspect isn’t an older individual who has no reasonable explanation for their dna being there. And your channel does great coverage of a number of cases. I’m not even a US citizen, and I follow your coverage.
Agree it's a hard task gathering all forensic evidence..I'd imagine that it is hugely affected at the actual crime spots because of so many people called to house before police arrived..up n dwn stairs..touching everything!,possibly sharing news of the scene..to friends family.Any of which could be the killer?
I know the 2 surviving roommates are cleared, but to me, 4 PEOPLE SAVAGELY BEING STABBED TO DEATH, it’s hard for me to believe that they didn’t hear anything.
What is an upperdecker? All I know is Xana and Ethan had a fight that evening but nobody seems to care! Drones were used to take them out! My theory based on all we know so far!
It is 100% hoodie guy. The same guy that lives in the house right behind the girls, the same guy that was kicked out of the fraternity for being a creep, the same guy that was kicked out of the bar earlier that night for harassing girls, the same guy that has a multiple personality disorder when drunk, the same guy that hunts using a large knife as seen in his online posts of the kills, the same guy that drove 5 hours to go to his parent's hunting cabin right after the murders, the same guy that looked offended on the food truck video after the girls ditched him, the same guy that never ordered food at the food truck. but ran off after he was ditched by the girls, the same guy who has now fled to Africa without even completing his classes for the semester, etc., etc. It’s also extremely sus that he told the guy he was talking to by the food truck that he was there to make sure the girls got home safely, when the girls obviously wanted nothing to do with him. He just stood there in the back, watching, never ordered food, and left right after the girls left. Why would he feel any responsibility for making sure they got home safely if they didn’t even want to be around him? This guy should still be well on the radar for LE.
Zero documented cases of SK as mpd, altho bundy? They could not really firm up a dx. And there were incidents? A few reported? That he may have had mpd. Didnt matter, he was going to die for what he did ;(
I can't stress enough the importance of security cameras at all entrance sites if there was cameras in and around this site he might be already arrested or might have prevented this from happening altogether.
I believe the police are doing everything they can. They know the eyes of the community and our country, are on them. The fact that they are dotting every i and crossing every t, shows they are going to do a thorough job. Pressuring a police department is not the answer.
When I went to College, you could walk down the halls in every Dorm and Quads, there's doors open wide. It's risky and down right dangerous for that to happen today, and all Students have to do things different. Sad but true.
Issue is one of his brothers was adopted from Kenya. Best way to see if this trip was “pre planned” as in before the murders. If it was booked after the murders then it’s def sus
@@Geisla54 it is pretty common knowledge if you look into the family. They also go there around once a year to do missionary work. My main question is whether that trip was planned before the murders or after. Would be a big tell tale sign for either him “fleeing” the scene or just partaking in their routine trip
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Mad respect for Kaylee's dad!!!! My dad went door to door with a.38 looking for the answers when my brother was beat almost to death and left out in the country in the snow. He solved the crime in mere minutes
Respect for your Dad. That's fire 🔥
nice
He’s processing his emotions by doing something to fight the hopelessness. Being a dad. Normal I believe.
That's what it takes, Frontier Justice 👍
OMG I love that. Did your dad take action as police were contacted or immediately, before the police' arrival.?
Most of us parents worry about car wrecks taking our children away but then stuff like this happens. I truly pray that they catch the evil person or people who are responsible for these ungodly acts. My heart breaks for the families who have lost their family members and my condolences go out to them.
@Real Aiglon That was really Rude comment. It wasn’t all about her how about reading it again !!!
@Real Aiglon donkey comment
@Real Aiglon L take
@Real Aiglon You typed that out of emotion and a preconceived notion. You didn't read her entire comment before you commented and you moved on. Thats very reckless. I'll bet you troll others for fun to feed your ego. Also your bold lettering says you like attention...doesn't matter if it's good or bad hence your insatiable ego. Nothing matters unless it happens to you right? You're more than likely a sociopath. Have a good day!
I don't like to see any foul language I wish they would Mark that out or something I don't like to read foul language when I read these comments
I agree with some who are saying they’re not giving the local police and FBI enough credit. The local police dept is a small department as well. Crime scene processing and evidence processing takes time. Sometimes, it takes a lot of time, especially when there was so much biological evidence everywhere (not to mention that it was a party house, so they’ll likely find a ton of prints, that they have to sort through as well). People want to think it’s super easy to solve crimes because they’ve watched some CSI tv show and some documentaries but the truth of the matter is that with that much blood, and that many victims, just simply processing *those* parts of the scene for evidence is tedious and incredibly time consuming. Let alone, the rest of the house, surrounding areas, verifying alibis, contacting witnesses and following leads, etc etc etc. It’s a lot. Way more than most people can even imagine, and especially if they have the “standards” of TV crime dramas and forensic processing times, in their mind. Anyway, I do hope that they find the person(s) responsible and are able to give these families (and the community) closure. That’d be a very tough scene to process. We have to be patient. If they didn’t take their time, then THAT would be problematic.
This comment! I’m tempted to like and share this to all the video comment sections bc you’re 100% right! This was a horrible monstrous vicious crime! It’s so sad, and I’d imagine the scene was a mess! They have a lot of work to do!! I pray they find this beast asap!
Give the FBI credit for what? Framing people with fake evidence?
If Law&Order can do it in 60 minutes then I dont see why it has taken them weeks to figure all this out. It almost seems like the police are covering for the killer,maybe helping him out and giving him new victims. Maybe the FBI or even the CIA is behind it. To divert attention from China and the JFK assassination.
@@madelineanabella6400 yup
I agree with almost everything you said, the only thing I don't understand is why does digital processing have anything to do with this? (Besides the food truck video.)
As a true crime watcher/reader for over 20 years. "The Gainesville Ripper" and obviously Bundy, came to mind when I heard about this case. I have a 23-year-old daughter and I have thought her everything I can provide from my knowledge of being a true crime "fan". It's tragic that one of many rules/tips I've planted in her head - "going out to a bar/club together, going home together." didn't do any good here. Take care, and thoughts to everyone involved. Take care. 💕 from Norway.
I agree 100% on comparing it to Bundy! Nobody ever suspected his “profile” until there was witnesses. He stalked the college campus! He murdered how many people before there was even any witnesses???? And none of the murders was even “connected” until there was finally witnesses as well. People need to step back for a moment and look with fresh eyes
Danny Rolling
@@mikeodonnell6799 yeah
And lock all door. Bundy got in a side door to a sorority and went in the 2 bedrooms where the doors were unlocked. One serial killer said he never entered a locked door. In him crazy mind, he thought if people left their doors open, it gave him permission to come in and do what he wanted.
Being a concealed carry can help
I cannot stop thinking about this murder. The brutality is shocking.
I know but the thought of it being an incel type..loner..that watched and preyed on them makes it worse than it being an ex
Same
Same here. I google everyday on this. I Google mapped and walked the area . The apt. house is blurred out on ground level. Had to be someone that was familiar with where they were going. I would think there is a handful of suspects by now. The forensic evidence just has to have a match with a suspect. Time will tell.
People really need to put proper locks on the home. The home owner is very laxed and why are there no cameras on the home. The outside of the home doesn't give a inviting feeling. The homeowner gives me the impression of not caring. In this day and age I am shocked why there are no cameras on the entire perimeter of the home. The way it is built it gives a strange feeling.
@@runningwater7873 you are so right! the house definitely gives me a horror movie vibe....
Such a horrifying, awful crime. 4 innocent kids just slaughtered.
Just goes to show, we NEVER know when we will, and can cross paths with pure EVIL😞❕
@@Kimberly_11 we can be absolutely sure we will and do cross evil everyday just by living on earth. This is satans domain and the challenges are many. Our job is to find the Lord and maintain a relationship with the Creator before our time here is up so we can insure eternity with him when we go✝️
They weren't innocent, sinners!
Not so innocent.
Absolutely *not deserving of any of this. As Americans, there will be an accounting, their killers will be brought to justice.
how do we know innocents?
Have cops secured a warrant to search Showalter's apartment, car, parent's home, etc for DNA and other evidence. Showalter was likely the last person to see the girls alive, and then promptly left the country. Can't imagine a judge denying that warrant.
Seems like a catch
Exactly what I have been saying. Also is hoodie guy confirmed as JS, the guy who-
1. Lived next door to the girls
2. Who left the country
3.was cleared by police, therefore couldnt have been terribly injured from the murders, and anyway probably healed by now
3. Left the scene of the crime, drove to parents,was cleared and left the country.
A search warrant can still determine his DNA and the fbi are experienced enough to do worldwide investigations. This case can't go cold, but it is beginning to take twists and turns and getting "political" due to Steve (Kaylees dad) being vocal in the manner he has, saying parents aren't getting on, there is a conspiracy,people aren't coming to town, and a witch hunt on hoodie guy -which can be seen on youtube)
@@retro000 yeah l wonder how he got cleared right away , the culprit knows the girls , the interior of the house and was confident walking inside a house with six ppl knowing the victims are probably drunk and asleep so they wont fight and about the wounds if he is good with knives and wearing thick gloves he may not be seriously injured esp that the type of knife used can help him avoid cuts so if JS is innocent all he really needs is give DNA or solid alibi to shut every mouth and close this chapter
@@retro000 1, 2 and 3 have NOT been confirmed.
Truth!!
3 1/2 weeks isn't long for a crime scene of this magnitude. Js It takes longer than that to confirm DNA evidence etc..You can't rush any investigation.
You gonna say the same thing after 6 months?
@@gabrielgalaxygh I think we just want to try to stay optimistic and have hope while they work. It's like the man said, if there's no "smoking gun" then they have tons of things to go through. Can't give up. We waited 5+ for Abby and Libby so we have to keep the energy positive that the killer will be caught. imo ✌️
Why can’t they bring anyone suspects in for questioning even? People confess all the time when legally pressed. I don’t get it. There’s obvious people that should be questioned.
Let's say they had 1 piece of evidence guy did it. Not enough to arrest. They could know and still having to put the full picture together. They also have to show they investigated others. Big job. Gotta be done right.
@@MrPantera123456 How do you know they're not??
FYI from someone that lived in Moscow I never locked my house, cars. Left car keys and wallet under my seat. I moved from Cali to Moscow and even though it was a college town this kinda stuff didn't happen there everyone would wave when you drive by not knowing you. Very friendly town. I absolutely loved Moscow I never felt fearful living there always safe. It's very sad this in my opinion has tainted poor Moscow. RIp 4 young lives lost and prayers to family and friends my 💔for you all
Not locking doors etc..is just wreckless..
The city of 30,000 people I grew up in was safe, we never felt the need to lock doors, But that was 50 years ago. Now I live in a rural township that is mostly farm land and housing developments. We never had a murder where I live, even today. However there is a College close by and there are people there from all over the world, so I lock my doors. Most of us here are very well armed and many of my neighbors are hunters, outdoor people and a number of us have prior military service. I'm not concerned, but I don't trust anyone I don't know.
That’s how it is in Canada, well from footage I watched a few years ago. The ppl in Canada just never locked their doors and I guess they are armed with more firearms than Americans but they have less crime, they think it’s because of the media. They don’t report as much negativity on the news as the US but the video games are really violent tho, still less shooting crimes. Anyways I just remembered them not locking the their doors and I thought that was risky but for a long time that’s how it just was. I wonder if it’s still the same now
Can't tell you how many times I found the sliding glass door unlocked at the townhouse my daughter lived in with four other girls , while at university.
I wish we lived in a world where our children could leave their doors unlocked and be ok. Unfortunately we don’t SMh
I find it hard to believe that someone can enter a house with atleast 6 people inside. Brutally murder 4 of them and leave without a trace. No one heard or saw anything and no DNA left behind.
My thoughts exactly.
The roommates had to have been part of it not physically but they set up Kaylee I think she was target and Ethan n Xana woke up so they had to go but whoever did this was in coohots w the roommates that’s how they knew exactly when to come in someone cleaned up !!! They HAD TO HAVE HELP FROM THE ROOMMATES the thing is they weren’t suppose to kill all 4 like I said before Kaylee and prob Maddie were the targets there’s no way anyone would risk entering a house w 6 people 6 phones!!! 6 chances of 911 getting called a million cars outside and a dog!!!!! Think about it people!!!! They had to have been orchestrated by the roommates!!
Exactly its all bullshit and they expect everyone to believe and even tell everyone dont worry the public isn't in danger... even though we have no idea who the quadruple murder suspect is...
Man that police department is so damn stupid
It sounds very professional.
@@Shynestarlight2013 100% no stranger passing through picked this as the house. No person, even knowing them and been there before would be able to "commit the perfect crime" killing 4 ,no barking dog, no sounds heard from below and get out in an hour? The house is a party house they said people come and go and have the key pad . This person had inside knowledge! I could go on and on
This is so heartbreaking. My heart hurts for the families and friends. 😢
It's so difficult to hear everyday we don't have a killer yet but we will soon..like we if
@youtubevideo4456 are you directing that at me?
@RUclips Video so fukkin rude.
@@redds7777 I think this is a fake account 😢@ the expense of 4 slaughtered children. RIP.
@RUclips Video POV:
“Says the murderer” …
Shame on you!!!
I can’t fathom a stranger would decide to stab four people. It’s too risky. This was personal!
Could possibly be a serial killer tho. A serial killer wouldnt be phased in killing 4 people with a knife but then abit random to just turn up in, Moscow, Idaho.
Can’t even really see sumone who was aggravated by the 4 or 1 of the 4 to just randomly go and stab the 4 students.
This is why everyone is so intrigued. Who the fuck was it!!
So you never heard of Isreal Keys..
@@trevorohare2735Israel Keyes only has 3 confirmed victims. Of those 3, 2 were a couple that he killed at the same time, the other victim was kidnapped and killed at a different location and time. He never killed 4 at once. However, Richard Speck did kill 8 nurses in the same house, same night by strangling and stabbing, so it does happen unfortunately.
@@racheltaylor3109 Only 3 confirmed but they know he is guilty of many more.. That is why the FBI classified him as the most intelligent and terrifying serial killer ever documented.. Because he was really good at it...
@@racheltaylor3109 And I was just using him as an example of strangers having no problem killing people..
I can’t even imagine how freaked out the other roommates are that survived and are unable to provide answers. It just must be devastating.
Unless they were in on it
@@ledogwaterjames4863 Yep. I suspect the two surviving women, if they didn't do it, watched and laughed at the murders.
@@jbrewerman2 Based on what evidence?
@@patriciawilkes5079 The probable nature of reality.
@@jbrewerman2 So, based on absolutely nothing, then?
Respect to Brian Entin for covering this tragic case as much as he has. Brian is an amazing journalism!❤️
its annoying getting stuck with JB he is a cute young man but yeah you know what I'm talking about Brian does all the research I want HIM talking to professionals, not JB who has NEVER even been in the trenches There I said it
🙏💜
Peter Massey is the first person who has mentioned the necessity of a family / victim advocate. Absolutely Sir. Had there been one or more individuals assigned to the families alot of this mis communique and raw emotions could have been avoided
The families probably need lawyers at this point. They need representation.
100%!!!
I pray they get answers! Don't underestimate the police and forensic science . I trust and believe this will be solved!
No it won't
I think you're over estimating Idaho police
Praying they find out who did this horrible crime
@@gabrielgalaxygh How about the fbi and other state agencies ? This case will be solved. That perp left his dna at that scene.
Small town cops ain’t gonna be able to catch the killer or killers
When my daughter was in university a year ago , I used to tell her daily to keep the doors locked, because once a person gain access to your room with bad intentions, you're in trouble. She used to tell me the students are not like that, and I would tell her you never know.
This has been the most multilayer discussion on this case that is actually worth watching. Thank you for peeling back the layers of how data and the existent to which these high profile cases involves. More than anyone could imagine not to mention other cases that are occurring daily that also need processing at labs etc etc. may parents be able to find some kind of peace and rest for them during this lengthy time of sadness.
Finally, a great source of how really difficult the entire forensic process is, from electronic forensic gathering processing, to biological forensic evidence gathering and processing.
Hopefully, videos like this will increase and level set people’s expectations on reasonable timelines for processing leads, evidence, etc. ESPECIALLY victim family members’ expectations. This should go a long way in tamping down frustrations and accusations against the investigators trying to solve these murders.
While their twiddling their thumbs, the killer is out there murdering more. Bring in the big guns.
@@georgeswift4063 Okay, so you know for a fact they are doing nothing but “twiddling their thumbs”? How do you know this? Are you intimately involved with the investigators and what they are doing? And what additional murders is the killer committing? I haven’t heard of any additional murders being committed by this killer. But you apparently do, so what murders are you talking about?
The FBI is already working on the case. What “Big Guns” are you referring to? The military? Mossad? The Mafia? The Boy Scouts?
You are very emotional and hyperbolic with your declarations. Do you have anything to back them up?
@@georgeswift4063 What do you want them to do snap their fingers and naturally come up with a killer? How dumb can you be....Did you not watch the entire video? It's complicated moron. smh
Right. Many videos of this being a regular party house and the doors were rarely locked.
I think police do have more evidence than they can share to keep integrity of investigation. These are 4 beautiful young men and women with 4 distinct personalities. Police have a heck of a difficult job to siphon through. Pray for a speedy solid lead and suspect or suspects! Lord Jesus Guide The Police and Detectives to solve this horrific quadruple cold blooded murder✝️❤️🙏
No no they're just idiots and want you to believe that so that you don't think they're even bigger idiots
Amen..I join you in prayer.. 🙏
Father God I ask you to give wisdom to all those involved in investigating these horrendous travesty. Amen 🙏
@@zherin2063 As in siphoning other people's oil from their cars cos of inflation
I agree. Police would have a suspect in my opinion. Probably building a soild case and that means excluding others.
Really helped my understanding of the sheer volume of evidence and time needed to assemble and analyze it. It is going to be agonizing to wait for the family.
Really? Isn’t this common knowledge by now? What happened to the “crime scene reconstruction “ promised, Thumbs way DOWN 👎👎👎
Right. Many Many people have been in that house. It was a major party house and the doors were rarely locked.
My heart and prayers go out to the victims, their families, loved ones and friends. These kids should still be here today, planning their trips home for the holidays and what the New Year holds for them. Their families should not be grieving the lives lost of children taken too soon and planning memorials for a final goodbye. This killer was cold hearted, brutal and without mercy and I hope and pray they are found and spared no mercy like they showed their victims.
My biggest point to make here is that the killer left his DNA ( probably blood / hair ) in the house. The killer seems to have knowledge of the house & people in it. Wouldn't expect the killer to be a random passerby considering the weapon used is up close & personal. This was a Brutal slaughter for someone with a grudge against either one or all these people. The killer was also clever enough to not leave an obvious clue behind or else they would already be behind bars. So pre planned to a certain extent is part of my guess.
Excellent questions as always, JB! Great interview!
Best interview and most helpful interview I have heard. This complex crime scene takes time. I'm sure they are being as quick and accurate as they can. They, like us, want the case solved and the perpetrator brought to justice.
Why? All they did was state the obvious forensic generalities and NOTHING on crime scene details. Not wasting my time on this channel again 😡
I believe it was personal and a specific target. The killer wanted to be vicious.
I am so happy Ur onto it now. 🙂
GREAT VIDEO!!
I've watched a bunch of youtube videos on the Idaho Murders since I found out about them about a week ago (I don't watch msm nor listen to much radio anymore); but since I learned of it I've been down the rabbit hole...
And this gentleman's (Thomas') explanation of why it takes so long to chase down digital information is BY FAR the best I've heard and makes complete sense. Thank You.
Both of these guys, Thomas and Peter, are top-rate and clearly great professionals who understand what the Moscow PD/Investigators/SP/FBI are faced with here. Great insights and, in some cases, much needed reiterating common sense that too few folks have anymore.
NOT! Big fat waste of time repeating the fact that forensics take time. Not ONE crime scene reconstructed as the title implies
So how can 4 people be stabbed to death in the same house?? The first assault should have alerted the remaining 5. How could it be one assailant?
I watched the Netflix doc on the Texas Field Murders in Texas. It's been decades and some of those cases (35 abducted and murdered girls from the 70s thru the 90's!! ) are unsolved. One dad is now 75 and he is still searching for answers. Many of the parents of those girls went to their graves never getting justice. Its so sad! A few cases were solved but only because one victim got away and was able to identify one man, and another man was caught via ancestral DNA. It's nuts how clustered the Texas murders were. It was like a community full of men murdering women. The police were passive in the 80s and early 90's. It's maddening how passive some police departments are on these cases and how they botch up evidence, or it simply just goes missing. 🤷♀️ So many men get away, literally, with murder.
Also, just curious, have they looked to see if any Idaho criminals were recently released in Moscow, or even sex offenders that live in that area? Not all sex crimes involve Rape. In the Texas cases they found 2,100!! You'd be surprised how many people like that live in small quiet towns.
I watched it too....heart wrenching. That poor man, but he won't give up. So sad!
This probably is related to your Democrat open borders!!!
I watched the Texas doc too (am from Australia) 😢
@@shellycrace2322 I know, it broke my heart. He has sure done a lot though helping other families with search and rescue. His whole life ended up being devoted to it. So sad. I can't imagine 😢
@@lynnecage3271 Hi from the US! I am sad reading about all the murders and abductions happening in the US right now. I can hardly watch the news and at the same time, I also have too check in and see if these cases get solved. Each day, nothing changes. 😕
oct 1998 in Milwaukee Wisconsin...my 16 year old son (was living with his father at the time) he was shooting pool in a room off a bar,when a monster pulled out a gun n shot Joey twice... Because he was winning.
I'm telling you all...there is nothing in this world that compares to losing a child! My heart truly goes out to these family's....i feel every bit of they're pain.
If your the person responsible for this...and are reading this, turn yourself in...so the family's can go on with they're lives, please
Im so sorry for your loss Susan😢. I can’t even imagine the grief of losing a child.
@@amandasmith7323 thank you hunny. It is hard...im finally in a time in my life, it's 2 days a year. Joey's birthday n the day in October...that are the worse. After 15 years of therapy..i have some contol
I am so sorry for your loss from Mississippi !
Dear Susan, I lost my son 6 years ago, horrifically.
For you, me and those like us, the rest of our lives is a living death.
Love from Australia, xx
You don't feel their pain because this has absolutely NOTHING to do with YOU!!! 🤡🙄
I'll never understand why people ALWAYS want to make the story about themselves!!?
JB and Brian Entin are responsible, excellent reporters, great to listen to your coverage on uTube, thank you 🇮🇪
Most boring, unenlightening I’ve seen. Waste of time
Oh my gosh...I have new respect for these detectives. It is so easy to sit at your computer and make judgements, but, this is out of our hands and we have to have faith in these trained officers.
@Jan * The most responsible & intelligent comment in this thread 👏👏
I find it very disturbing when I see cases like this being hijacked by SM & become spectacles for every blogger/arm chair detectives & psychics & retired LE & PI's & gossipers & on & on who can't wait to crawl out of the woodwork to chime in for instant gratification. It's so exploitive.
The cars should've been removed within 24 hours to a secure warehouse. By waiting 3 weeks they've been touched by dozens of people, leaving more prints to process.
This case is sickening to the core. Just horrific . The killer MUST be caught. He's dangerous and may do it again.
may? They will for sure do it again and if caught probably wont be linked to these murders, these 4 will never get justice, the police fucked up the crime scene
Four murders, not one . The killer had 9 hours to make his getaway in the dead of night. LE have a MAMMOTH task to solve this, if they can at all. The killer must have known how not to leave any traces of his crime at the scene. There may not be much evidence and you say they f....d up. F....d up what? They can only work with the evidence they have.This crime may never be solved even with the best detectives out there.
Killers bunch of Gen zers what's new
Are you sure the killer is dangerous?
Interesting
Please stay on this case like you did with Gabby’s!!
Excellent video! These experts clearly explain why this quadruple brutal murder is taking time to solve! I hope, pray, and think it will be!
Maybe title the video “boring forensic facts we all know “ rather than promising crime scene details. What a complete waste of time
@@tammykosiancic It's not actually stuff "we all know," because if "we all knew" it, a good chunk of us wouldn't be whining about how the process is taking too long.
That must of been awful to see.
Exactly. Especially to the idiots who think it's easy to solve and blame the police department and FBI. They have to be very careful on how they handle this. If they make an early arrest the guy could actually hire and good Defense attorney and get him off. There is no weapon or evidence left behind.
They may have a person in mind but need to build a solid case.
Excellent interview; very educational JB!
Is it that hard for these professionals to turn their phones off
Jb and Brian have to be my absolute favorite reporters. Banfield is my favorite too. Keep up the great work!!!!!love from Michigan
Authorities probably have the suspect(s) already. Not arresting them right now and instead keeping an eye on them. Waiting for the perfect time with as much evidence as possible before making an arrest. Prayers to the family. Be patient. Karma will be served.
I have to disagree something just tells me that they wouldn’t be sitting back while a quadruple murder just goes about his business whether they thought he was involved or not he would be in bars right now even if they had an inkling of an idea he would be behind bars while they investigate further not the other way around that doesn’t make any sense to investigate and let the suppose suspect roam free even if they had him under 24 hour surveillance it’s still too risky considering what he did…. this is one of those cases where they would 100% have the suspect in custody. I know you can’t just hold people just a hold them but even if they had a fraction of a reasonable doubt.
Oh yeah that’s great just leave the person out here so they could possibly hurt/kill more ppl yeah that is a great strategy haha
Whatever happened to "geolocation"? Why can't they establish who was in the house at the estimated time of the crimes?
1122 King Rd (the crime scene) and Queen Rd (where Showalter lived) are 2 tiny streets that intersect each other, You could toss a softball from one apartment to the other - with ease.
Whoa. Thanks for the interesting Fact & DATA about " 1122 King Rdi & Queen Rds being 2 tiny Streets and not being long or big Rds.
@@tammyallen8205 If you google map 1122 King Rd, you'll see 2 big apartment buildings right behind the crime scene. Showalter's apartment is in one of those. Not sure which one. Both buildings are less than 60 feet from the crime scene.
Idc how "nice" an area can appear to be...
It's not "Places" that kill People - it's People that kill People ...
Always LOCK Your Doors!
Thank you Mr. Massey, for speaking in support of law-enforcement. We should know that they feel as horrible about this situation as the rest of us, but their responsibility right now is so huge, and important. We should be supporting them instead of making their job more difficult. This monster needs to be found and punished, so the rest of us can feel a little safer.
Thankyou for the intelligent comment.
Maybe it will help some people
Is it possible the killer was already hiding inside the house when the students got home?
Anything is possible
That's an interesting thought.
That’s what I’ve been telling people since the beginning. Maybe he was stalking them to track and learn their movements, when they left he entered the house through the sliding glass door, they were gone for hours which gave him time to learn the houses interior. He then located a safe place to hide before they got home and waited for them to go to sleep. At around 3 to 4am he killed the first two on the top floor then worked his way down to the second floor killed the next two and left the way he came in. That’s why he never went to the first floor where the two survivors were sleeping, he didn’t haft to cause his exit was on the second floor.
No I heard that six people went into the house neighbors have cameras six people can be seen walking into the house that was not information from the police however it was from some of the students and neighbors that said they actually did investigating their selves because the police are worthless. So if that’s true maybe the police know about it and just haven’t release that information but it was released by the public six people went into the house
@@nipnip2551 ¿ Stalking them?? These are two different crime scenes inside one house. Two different pairs with two different evening plans. Makes no sense this theory
What happened was a bunch of people ran into a crime scene and completely contaminated it and did a bad job it's just the way it is and it really is heart breaking.
I agree I’ll be surprised if they find who did it. I think they are trying but I really doubt they are capable of figuring this out.
I wonder if they did actually suspect JS early on but couldn’t say anything, merely because they told the community “we don’t have a suspect” (because they don’t want to show their hand), but they also said “we don’t believe the community is in danger” because they knew he was already in South Africa, so he wouldn’t be an imminent threat.
Bingo!!!! I said this same thing. Early on LE was asked if there was an imminent threat to the community and LE said NO. MY Thoughts is le already have a pretty good idea who it is
They did initially say there wasn’t a threat to the community but then a couple days later they backtracked on that and said they cannot say there is no threat to the community they have misspoke and backtracked on a lot of things and have fumbled this from the beginning I have zero faith in MPD and LCSO they are lazy corrupt and completely incompetent
OK JB you now have a new fan, I love how you explain that things take time and the police are doing their best, THANK YOU! This is not a TV show, this is real life
I have a gut wrenching feeling that the suspect was already in the house before they got home.
Doing what? If he was, he had time to determine that the lower rooms had occupants. The 4 victims were all in bed asleep...you think the killer waited for them to get home and fall asleep?
no, it was at least an hour after they got home.
I’m doing just fine and that’s all that really matters.
@@dishdog215 how do you know they were all asleep?
That would be too risky of being found and facing 4 adults awake and ready to defend themselves.
I'm just horrorified that there was blood leaking out from under the siding! I cannot in my worst nightmare fathom the inside! Omg heaven be with friends and family. I'm so sorry for your loss!!
I read somewhere that they are saying it’s not blood that’s leaking out but heating oil from the floors?? What??
Blood atonement. mormon ritual killing w moron bowie knives by Danite killers.
Blood is purposefully let to run into the ground? Do the soul of that person is not brot in worst hell. It can move closer to god.
So blood dropping to us may seem bad? But it's like a specially conferred blessing to that petdon.
Dont ve horrified. It's their religious views.
It wasn't blood.
@@EmilyLucille523 Yet the media loves showing that picture. Makes it look gruesome. BTW there definitely shouldn't be heating oil leaking through a dam floor. What kind of heater did they have exactly? Oil heat?
@@EmilyLucille523 someone might be in denial
The families should be sat down and explained about all the tests needed on how many pieces ) items that need to be analyzed. Just tell them realistically how long it'll take for the forensics . The digital sources can respond much quicker than testing can. Often digital forensics are as important as other forensics in following leads and time lines all needed to both guide and solve the murders. Expressing sympathy and commitment ,plus expertise in solving this horrific case. I'm sorry for the loss of these beautiful victims. What a terrible loss. Karen Morente
Great point Karen. The families have a great enough burden to bear, without the tension of being kept in the dark.
Families may be being viewed as suspects. So sharing any info? that would be 100% wrong.
@@k.wright8095I so agree!! Don’t just go radio silent with the families! Be honest with them and explain the processes so they don’t feel abandoned and totally in the dark!!
@@txgal6855 cant do that. what if.. what if it turned out to be one if the family members? Not all of the ppl.. but just one?
One who killed those 4.?
Would you want that one person to know every step the cops are taking?
Or even what if it's a bf or gf or bff of a family member? And feds n cops confide in families, secure in *their innocence...
Yet, they, in their grief which is extreme, confide in a well known neighbor? or a cousin... whoever? And they allow their suffering to push them into sharing and what they said in confidence and in grief, in a game of telephone, gets twisted its passed innocently along -
Only for the killer to hear some mucked up version of some stupid thing? And he trots off off & kills a mom n a sibling, thinking they had id'ed him. When they had not. Nor could they. But the killer acted on the, basically, gossip and more ppl in these families died?
That would just be so much worse. Wouldn't it? And no one could ever change things. No amount of wishing theyd just not confided is going to ever make it right, not after it went oh so wrong.
There is still a killer out there, loose. And he is not rational...
@@RandoLePerson hey listen you!!!!! I’m not in any way a dingus, you dingus…… just saying there is a way of consoling these parents and explaining where they are at without giving away everything…..it’s called instilling confidence dingus😡
JB did a great job interviewing these two top experts. How did he walk away unnoticed when he was covered with blood?
He approached the rear of the house through the wooded area and left the same way.
It was Dark outside.
Most people are in bed at 3 to 4 in the morning.
Blood isn't obvious on black clothing, and what everyone else said
They could have left their phone at home, come in the unlocked back door, did their messy work, rumage thru their clothes and shoes (heard bellow), changed and put their messy stuff in walmart bag with them down stairs and out front door and rode off on a bike.
Sad thing is, people really do get away with murder. I pray that's not true in this case.
So we should just be patient, and hope that the killer doesn't strike again, in days.
Yes
Yes. That's life. Wtf you want them to do? Make a false arrest? Or screw up and the guy goes free? I doubt it's a serial killer anyway
@@el34glo59 yes! No actually I was hoping they'd catch the person before they did it again. But your idea sounds good, too. False arrest.
Ugh..everyday I check to see if there’s been an update. I want the person responsible caught. I want to see justice for these kids. Although, I understand it takes time for these cases to be solved.
What gets me about this case is that there’s four beautiful souls who won’t be there on Christmas morning and four families that are torn apart. It’s all just too terrible to really fathom. 😢😢😢
Honestly the father has shown first hand why information isn’t shared with them, they are emotional and ready to lash out, I can only imagine what the families are going through and as a father of an eleven year old I realise how world shattering this would be, still LE cannot risk ruining the case, it’s been a rule of thumb forever for a reason, I can’t believe people don’t comprehend it.
I completely agree with you! He cant be trusted with any info bc he would run to the media and tell everything! Ppl like his is exactly why they don’t release some details. He needs to talk to a therapist, not the media. He could’ve potentially helped the suspect get away if he wasnt caught.
Moscow and the University is a relatively peaceful, low crime community. And a crime of this magnitude is so out of the norm that the Moscow Police Department is quite possibly not sophisticated enough, nor experienced enough to solve it.
I’m shocked that they haven’t even released the 911 call.
Glad they haven't.
Keep everything tight lipped
The community wants answers too along with the family because we want to feel safe and currently we don’t being tight lipped misspeaking and constant backtracking is doing nothing to help assure the community we aren’t in danger of someone can do something this horrific they are capable of anything and clearly willing to
How hard is it to get warrant to search John Showalter’s car?
No one in their right mind would EVER allow their kid to room in this house forever in time
Owners will have to demolish it
It will definitely be demolished.. Would be surprised if it wasn't..
Renting it out soon as it's clean up and painted
Why did you say forever in time lol where did that come from
@@applepie9576 not really. I just saw a story about how a family of 5 moved into the watts family home and their are.tons of other examples. Some people just don't care and will take advantage of a deal
Yes. Are the victims' families provided an advocate to help navigate this process?
If they were before they sure aren't now because they keep leaking shit !!
Advocates only run interference.
Appreciate you covering this, JB.
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It could take months just for evidence to be sorted and catalogued……
I want the investigators to do reenactment of the crime scene to see if it’s true that the persons living on the ground floor won’t hear anything.
They could have heard ruckus and passed it off as drunk people going on about
Agree! Girls do a lot of screaming, like when at college football games and of course when they are being attacked. I find it hard to believe that neither of the surviving couple heard any screams.
@@AuthorLLaurenceTry screaming while being stabbed in the chest or abdomen. It simply isn’t going to happen!
It's weird, but there are cases of people living/hiding in people's homes for months.
@@redds7777 Yes there sure are stories like that.
Cannot believe the roommates did not hear anything. I think they are involved in the crime
How does someone murd3r 4 people and leave no shoe prints?
Bare foot.
wore ethans shoes and didnt stand in blood?
Most if not all were in bed when killed, you wouldn’t get blood on your shoes that way
Maybe wore plastic bags around shoes.
Who made the Call to 911 and from who's phone??
I can't believe 2 girls sleeping the same bead, and none of them woke up while the murderer was performing this horrible act to one of them.💥
Nobody said they didn't wake up. Kinda hard to scream tho with a hole in your throat possibly
Does anyone feel the perpetrator was already inside the house and just waiting for the right time to attack?
@@juliewilt9732it’s a synonym. is that really what your concerned about? who tf cares perp, killer same shit go to bed
@@juliewilt9732 perp, killer same thing.. is that your main concern? wtf if you don’t have an answer to the question dont comment at all.
@@juliewilt9732omg shut up.
@@juliewilt9732 you clearly have a limited vocabulary.
@@juliewilt9732 when sensitivity for the families over rode crassness ;)
THANK YOU! This is real life, NOT a T. V. show! The public is so starved for something new, calm the F down & let law enforcement do their job!
Keep the pressure on them. Justice deserves to be swift and accurate.
We don't owe it to them to calm the F down when they've been as incompetent as they have. We've been really patient for 3 weeks plus. And they've just asked for local surveillance from people. Are you young enough to know that's stupid? So we fully support them, we have fully supported them. With tried to stay in our lane. We've asked questions. But if you think asking questions means we need to calm the F down, then you don't live in the same country I do. I'm going to ask questions. Especially when it's a mass murder, and corruption has happened before in situations like this. This is a college town. A lot of money is on the line if this town becomes a ghost town. These cops aren't acting like normal cups in normal murders that we've watched so why? Is it because somebody told them to make this case die? It's a valid question because the dad was going to put up wanted posters to get the public to call in with any information they might have or surveillance last week. He was told no don't do that. They don't want wanted posters around town. Doesn't seem a bit odd to you that it's more important to them to maybe be trying to get this to go into a cold case where people forget about it then solve it? I'm not saying that's what they're doing, but it's happened and there's signs of it happening. So if they're not doing that then they won't mind the families asking for help from the community.
I assume you don't live in that town. Otherwise I can't imagine how you can calm the F down.
I just find out about this tragedy yesterday. OMG it's been few weeks and they still got no clue who did it. Hopefully the families will get the answer soon. I feel sorry for 4 of them, they're still young full of hopes and dreams. And no matter who did this, that person is not supposed to be in the public anymore, this is so cruel.
How quickly do you think they should solve this crime?
@@msaijay1153 ASAP?? 😭
@@msaijay1153 as long as it takes
the sad part is that as im writing this its 38 days later and they even have no suspect. sad sad sad. usually they have a suspect at this point in time. but nothing. this investigation is just messed up. i dont know who or what is making it this difficult as we dont have all the details but i pray that justice will win. so sad. 😢
I don't think they will find the person. Look at the rich kids in the pictures, they obviously got pissy with the wrong random poor person. And that's my theory.
So as a landlord renting to college kids I am surprised there wasn't some outdoor security cameras on that house. I cant even pretend to know fully what these families are going through , but any of us that have a heart are hurt deeply when anyone is murdered , but especially kids. I think this is going to be a forensics case 100 % , those 4 people were brutally stabbed , and what happens when a killer uses a knife ? They cut themselves. I guarantee they are going to find some unknown blood , some unknown prints , this case will be solved. As far as the door being unlocked , I agree that they probably did not lock the doors . The last murder there was 2015. I don't think for a minute they even worried about locking doors. I feel like the investigators are getting a bad rap , there is so much to these investigations , the average person has no clue what all goes into this . Remember the Delphi murders was just solved , after 3 years , so have more faith .
I'm learning more from the comment section then I am from the actual video playing 😒
Me too!!
I couldn’t imagine, my kid was shot few years ago and they found the persons within 12 hours
Ok well this is a quadruple homicide not a drive by shooting
This is a little different. Alot different actually. It's a quadruple homicide in a house where 100 kids have been. Partying etc. And kids before they lived there too. There's DNA everywhere. It was a knife.
It will.never go cold! We are watching!😢
Did anyone check the blood stains on the outside of hse yet?!!The one at the basement ledge,assuming???!!
the culprits were in the house
This news source has been one of the most well thought out, well questioned of all the top label news channels to date . This narrator asks questions to qualified guests that are within the parameter of what is being provided to the public . Law officials obviously want to solve this horrific slaughter but so many networks have guests where the banter is all about the “what if “ scenario…. They project imaginary situations that could have happened which is not helpful for the public . Let’s leave law enforcement to do their job !
The person who did this crossed over the University golf course, crossed 1 field and hopped an early morning gas train in the train yard less than 1.5 miles away to the west. The home is one of the few homes in all of Moscow that would be easy to do that, it's as close to the train yard as you can get. Though I can't say for sure, when I heard that he used a knife with a hilt, this is someone who knows what they were doing and planned out their escape route. They are not from Idaho and now could be anywhere in the country. Where I live in an adjacent state, there are tons of young males who look very questionable who ride the rails and show up in town. I live in a town very similar to Moscow, people drift through on the trains and you'd never know who they are or when they came or left
Wow...that's a very interesting thought.
You're literally making things up. No one said they did any of that. And honestly, I doubt that. It's someone they knew. This was personal
they would have left a bloody trail...
Wow, 113 pieces of evidence and yet they still have absolutely NO idea who did it. BS.
I remember you JB on the news coverage in Mobile, Alabama -- you are hitting your stride - thank you from Pensacola, FL
Don’t forget how social media bloggers helped with the Gabby Petito case when they found her van on their video footage.
In a sick, twisted way, the suspect picked the perfect house when it comes to dna. So many ppl back and forth. I remember my college days, we had a similar home, and people were in and out all the time. That’s assuming the suspect isn’t an older individual who has no reasonable explanation for their dna being there. And your channel does great coverage of a number of cases. I’m not even a US citizen, and I follow your coverage.
There has to be several pieces of trace evidence I would think, unless the animal was very smart (like wrapped in plastic).
Agree it's a hard task gathering all forensic evidence..I'd imagine that it is hugely affected at the actual crime spots because of so many people called to house before police arrived..up n dwn stairs..touching everything!,possibly sharing news of the scene..to friends family.Any of which could be the killer?
If they find unknown blood most party kids aren't gonna leave there blood
That was their downfall ultimately
Right. Even if the people on the first floor heard anything they might ignore because it was a major party house and the doors were rarely locked.
Can they tell how many phones were getting a signal at that house, at that time, on that morning?
I know the 2 surviving roommates are cleared, but to me, 4 PEOPLE SAVAGELY BEING STABBED TO DEATH, it’s hard for me to believe that they didn’t hear anything.
I still can’t fathom how one person could have done this…
How come we're not hearing about the fight over the upper decker at the frat party?
What is an upperdecker? All I know is Xana and Ethan had a fight that evening but nobody seems to care!
Drones were used to take them out! My theory based on all we know so far!
@@iTammy An upper decker is when someone poops in the water reservoir above a toilet. Farm Cat is just a pathetic troll with mommy issues..
Drones?
The upper decker thing sounds familiar, but I can’t remember where I heard it.
@@iTammy How did drones take them out ?..
It is 100% hoodie guy. The same guy that lives in the house right behind the girls, the same guy that was kicked out of the fraternity for being a creep, the same guy that was kicked out of the bar earlier that night for harassing girls, the same guy that has a multiple personality disorder when drunk, the same guy that hunts using a large knife as seen in his online posts of the kills, the same guy that drove 5 hours to go to his parent's hunting cabin right after the murders, the same guy that looked offended on the food truck video after the girls ditched him, the same guy that never ordered food at the food truck. but ran off after he was ditched by the girls, the same guy who has now fled to Africa without even completing his classes for the semester, etc., etc.
It’s also extremely sus that he told the guy he was talking to by the food truck that he was there to make sure the girls got home safely, when the girls obviously wanted nothing to do with him. He just stood there in the back, watching, never ordered food, and left right after the girls left. Why would he feel any responsibility for making sure they got home safely if they didn’t even want to be around him? This guy should still be well on the radar for LE.
Damn you might be on to something.
where are you getting all this information from?
I agree 100% Right on!
It’s him. If not I’ll be shocked
Zero documented cases of SK as mpd, altho bundy? They could not really firm up a dx. And there were incidents? A few reported? That he may have had mpd. Didnt matter, he was going to die for what he did ;(
I can't stress enough the importance of security cameras at all entrance sites if there was cameras in and around this site he might be already arrested or might have prevented this from happening altogether.
So heart breaking 💔 thanks for an update
Having as a sign of anger and rage they knew these people. whoever did this new these kids.
Imagine the amount of information FBI have that we don't....
@Tara Mcgavan 42 FBI agents on the case.
but we are being constantly told we're being spied on every second of the day on our phones and listened to but here will take months. strange
@@33eye33 you are constantly being watched just like the kid that was bragging on Instagram about killing that girl somebody is always watching you.
@@bossup648 tks Ryan didnt think there would be anyone who didn't know FBI working case with local guys .....
That's what they're the FBI
I believe the police are doing everything they can. They know the eyes of the community and our country, are on them. The fact that they are dotting every i and crossing every t, shows they are going to do a thorough job. Pressuring a police department is not the answer.
When I went to College, you could walk down the halls in every Dorm and Quads, there's doors open wide. It's risky and down right dangerous for that to happen today, and all Students have to do things different. Sad but true.
Way to go Dad!!! Very very interesting and very suspicious!!!! I pray justice will come for these four children😢
This was personal and the killer wanted to be vicious.
Why not investigate Jack that left for Africa?
Issue is one of his brothers was adopted from Kenya. Best way to see if this trip was “pre planned” as in before the murders. If it was booked after the murders then it’s def sus
@@SaintsCheatwhere did you hear his brother was adopted from Kenya?
@geisla I saw it too..can't remember where.. there's so much reporting on this..but it said he even might have even been adopted
@@Geisla54 it is pretty common knowledge if you look into the family. They also go there around once a year to do missionary work. My main question is whether that trip was planned before the murders or after. Would be a big tell tale sign for either him “fleeing” the scene or just partaking in their routine trip
@@SaintsCheat I don’t know how to look into the family though.. I haven’t seen the parents’ names or anything about them