Hello @codmott286 , You asked, “Why turbine time requirements are treated differently from reciprocating engine time.” A piston helicopter pilot watching a video of a FADEC turbine start up like this could easily take for granted the extreme responsibility & the challenges a pilot faces when starting a turbine engine manually. Most turbine engine helicopters do not have FADEC for start ups. I currently have over 1,600 hours flying MD500’s, which require a manual start. I acquired almost 1,500 of those hours by flying as a tuna spotting pilot for 2 1/2 years. So, you have to realize & appreciate that it’s the responsibility of the pilot to safely start it, without damaging it & to know instantaneously when & how to abort a start that’s going bad. A pilot also needs to know how to correctly react to a hung start. I am not saying that starting a turbine engine is hard. It’s not. But keep in mind that turbine engines cost $300,000 or more & you can hot start & torch a turbine engine in less than 2-seconds if you forget something or make a mistake! With great power comes great responsibility! This is why most companies require at least a few hundred hours of turbine time. In a helicopter without a FADEC start, it’s totally up to the pilot to ensure the battery has enough of a charge & that the TOT is under 150° C before attempting a start to avoid having a hot start! It’s up to the pilot to ensure the throttle is in the cut off position. If it’s not in the cut off position when you hit the start button you will have a hot start in about one second exceeding 927° C! It’s up to the pilot to ensure that the scav air is off & the heater is off, otherwise you will have a hot start! So, it is dependent on the pilot to ensure N1 is at 15% before introducing fuel. If the pilot introduces fuel before 12% N1 you will have a hot start. If a pilot makes a mistake & has a hot start, then you potentially just fried a $300,000 turbine engine in less than two seconds. This is why companies want pilots with turbine time. For some perspective, the average piston helicopter costs less than $300,000. In contrast, a turbine helicopter’s engine alone costs $300,000. Don’t take turbine engines complexity for granted just because you watched some start ups with FADEC engines, because it looks super easy because the FADEC is doing the hard parts. Turbine pilots still have to know how to manually start a turbine engine. And companies want to have confidence that their pilots know how to start a turbine engine without frying it & costing them $300,000. To answer your question, this is exactly why turbine time requirements are treated differently from reciprocating engine time. 😉 For perspective here’s a Hughes 500C manual start up with the checklist video that I created to help people. 🚁 ruclips.net/video/Z7WMBconuYA/видео.htmlsi=OY5HbM9auscW5K8m I hope this helps to put things into a better perspective & hopefully this makes sense. Fly safe! Cheers!
@@UpsideDownWash I have to agree with Him as well yours are great it’s because of you and this Canadian guys videos that I start flight training this fall for helicopters 🤘🤘🤘
Why is turbine time treated differently from reciprocating engine time? It seems just as easy, flip a switch and make sure the temp doesnt go too high. Yet employers want you to have 1000 hours of turbine time no matter how much time you have in training helicopters?
Honestly I don't know the real reason. If anything piston helicopters are harder to fly due to more limited power. The only thing I've come ut with as a valid reason this might be so, is the areas of operation that turbine helicopters are used. So if you have 1000 hrs flying turbine you probably have at least some experience flying different kind of "real life" ops. Whereas piston helis are used mostly for schooling, sightseeing and recreational flying. But I don't know if that is the reason they want turbine time.
Thank you so much! So much usefull informations in this. Really enjoyed the whole video. I was going to ask if you can upload the checklist, but you already did :D The other pages are explanation of the warning lights, right? Are you able to upload these as well? :-)
Thanks :) yeah it's mostly emergency procedures I think. But yeah I'll see if I can upload those as well. I have the whole flight manual but I figured I'd make a separate video on that
This is the best helicopter startup video i have seen. Really good job.
Definitely 💯
Thanks buddy... It's funny as you have a french accent on your radio calls, but not when you talk normally...
Hahaha. First time anybody ever told me that 🤣
Great video. I always learn a lot & enjoy watching your videos. Thanks for sharing.
Hello @codmott286 ,
You asked, “Why turbine time requirements are treated differently from reciprocating engine time.”
A piston helicopter pilot watching a video of a FADEC turbine start up like this could easily take for granted the extreme responsibility & the challenges a pilot faces when starting a turbine engine manually.
Most turbine engine helicopters do not have FADEC for start ups.
I currently have over 1,600 hours flying MD500’s, which require a manual start. I acquired almost 1,500 of those hours by flying as a tuna spotting pilot for 2 1/2 years.
So, you have to realize & appreciate that it’s the responsibility of the pilot to safely start it, without damaging it & to know instantaneously when & how to abort a start that’s going bad. A pilot also needs to know how to correctly react to a hung start.
I am not saying that starting a turbine engine is hard. It’s not. But keep in mind that turbine engines cost $300,000 or more & you can hot start & torch a turbine engine in less than 2-seconds if you forget something or make a mistake!
With great power comes great responsibility! This is why most companies require at least a few hundred hours of turbine time.
In a helicopter without a FADEC start, it’s totally up to the pilot to ensure the battery has enough of a charge & that the TOT is under 150° C before attempting a start to avoid having a hot start!
It’s up to the pilot to ensure the throttle is in the cut off position. If it’s not in the cut off position when you hit the start button you will have a hot start in about one second exceeding 927° C!
It’s up to the pilot to ensure that the scav air is off & the heater is off, otherwise you will have a hot start!
So, it is dependent on the pilot to ensure N1 is at 15% before introducing fuel. If the pilot introduces fuel before 12% N1 you will have a hot start.
If a pilot makes a mistake & has a hot start, then you potentially just fried a $300,000 turbine engine in less than two seconds. This is why companies want pilots with turbine time.
For some perspective, the average piston helicopter costs less than $300,000. In contrast, a turbine helicopter’s engine alone costs $300,000.
Don’t take turbine engines complexity for granted just because you watched some start ups with FADEC engines, because it looks super easy because the FADEC is doing the hard parts.
Turbine pilots still have to know how to manually start a turbine engine. And companies want to have confidence that their pilots know how to start a turbine engine without frying it & costing them $300,000.
To answer your question, this is exactly why turbine time requirements are treated differently from reciprocating engine time. 😉
For perspective here’s a Hughes 500C manual start up with the checklist video that I created to help people. 🚁
ruclips.net/video/Z7WMBconuYA/видео.htmlsi=OY5HbM9auscW5K8m
I hope this helps to put things into a better perspective & hopefully this makes sense. Fly safe!
Cheers!
Thanks CPT. great video. Checklist well displayed and detailed enough
Nice one Cap.
Detailed checklist for actual start up.
Best heli videos on YT😍
Thank you very much 😊👍
@@UpsideDownWash I have to agree with Him as well yours are great it’s because of you and this Canadian guys videos that I start flight training this fall for helicopters 🤘🤘🤘
@@bluebadger83 oh cool! Thanks for the support
Absolument génial !!
Thank you for this!
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Muchas gracias, gran vídeo, saludos desde 🇪🇸
Good bro
Good video, thanks !
Brilliant thanks
I'll be using it on the Microsoft Flight Simulator for more realistic role-play, thank you so much 🙂
Awesome 😊👍
@@UpsideDownWash ☺️☺️
13:11 this made me laugh so hard, this is exactly how I read the checklist xD I realy need to get to know that list by heart :D
could you do this for the Twist grip B2 please? love the checklist in there and limitations.
Sorry do not have access to the b2 anymore
Why is turbine time treated differently from reciprocating engine time? It seems just as easy, flip a switch and make sure the temp doesnt go too high. Yet employers want you to have 1000 hours of turbine time no matter how much time you have in training helicopters?
Honestly I don't know the real reason. If anything piston helicopters are harder to fly due to more limited power. The only thing I've come ut with as a valid reason this might be so, is the areas of operation that turbine helicopters are used. So if you have 1000 hrs flying turbine you probably have at least some experience flying different kind of "real life" ops. Whereas piston helis are used mostly for schooling, sightseeing and recreational flying. But I don't know if that is the reason they want turbine time.
Awesome!
Thank you so much! So much usefull informations in this. Really enjoyed the whole video. I was going to ask if you can upload the checklist, but you already did :D The other pages are explanation of the warning lights, right? Are you able to upload these as well? :-)
Thanks :) yeah it's mostly emergency procedures I think. But yeah I'll see if I can upload those as well. I have the whole flight manual but I figured I'd make a separate video on that
@@UpsideDownWash That would be nice. Thanks!
Thank you so much!! The best Startup Video on RUclips! Can you do the same with the old SCU of the B3/B3+?
Hey! We only have B3e's now. And a B2 but it is not stationed at the base i am. But if I get a chance I'll do one for the B2
@@UpsideDownWash Thank you!
Hi!how do you attach the iPad to the rack?
By the way: Is this an Garmin GMA 350H Audio Panel?
I'm not sure. I'll check tomorrow. I think its a "4xx something" on the Center console. The big screens are G500h I think.
Had a joint before flying
Does helicopters need keys to fly?
Some smaller 2 seater ones do, but mostly no (i think). You gotta get inside though which will require a key often times.
i have rc helicopter