Can I just say thank you for being a positive content creator. 🙏 it is GREATLY appreciated. I'm losing my mind with so many comic book channels just feeding off of the negative and feeding into the death of the industry. Along with just hating on every single writer/artists doing anything within the last 6 months. Your channel along with Blerd and Comics explained, is such a relief.
These Hickman X-Men deep dives are best in class! I always look forward to your videos and watch each at least 8-10 times. Great delivery, references, and theories. This keeps me engaged in Dawn of X more than the spinoff books! Keep it up!
Grats on 50 episodes of Krakin' Krakoa! As always, you're my favorite comic book channel to listen to after reading the new X-Men books. Thanks for the critical analyses of the entire HoX/PoX/DoX storyline. It's given me some clarity on a few less than obvious ideas Hickman is putting out there. Excited at the prospect of your predictions being true! Keep up the great work!
a few thing we have yet to see and i would like to be more developed: .Krakoa in general, all the places it has .what normal, everyday life looks like in krakoa. Including a lot of relationships and things like the kids teaching other kids. .Mutant enemies, within krakoa or from outside
I feel like these ten “lives” are all timelines where Bishop, Rachel and Cable all come from. Their coming to this point in time is to aid Moira X in the final “attempt.” Also, keep in mind that Moira helped found a group that included Captain Britain. The protector of the multiverse. She may have had access to all those timelines- or past lives.
Great video ! Having just re-read HoXPoX, I'm very interested in seeing Moira appear in Dawn of X, especially her potential interactions with characters of her "family" such as Banshee, Wolfsbane, and Proteus. Possibly my only complaint against Moira's new place in the X-Men universe is that it's hard to reconcile what we know of her from 45 years of X-Comics with the behind-the-scenes manipulator she now seems to be. We know Proteus is part of her plans for mutantdom ; but what about her adopting Rahne Sinclair ? I guess what I'm saying is : Marvel, give us that 12-issues Moira X miniseries about her past lives and what was going on in her mind during her tenth life/the last 45 years of X-Men comics !
Reconciling Moira's history is one of my favorite challenges in X-Men now. Some parts work as beautiful unintentional foreshadowing, and others are square pegs in round holes (namely solo conversations between her and Charlie). I'm really curious about creators that could mine that territory. Mike Carey or Kurt Busiek have the history, but it could be just as well to bring in some new strong voices and let them shine.
That is supposedly why she faked her own death and is now hiding out in her no-place(space) because her actions are causing unpredicted short term changes. But yes, we definitely need that rumored Moira book asap
moria was always a behind the scenes manipulator also for her current life she wanted to go on her on path and protect mutants just not taking such a pivotal role and I don't think proteus's birth was planned same with her relationship with Joe and adopting wolfsbane since in her previous lives they weren't shown and in one of the books she said that she was gonna make this life worthwhile
So Moira ended up breaking Charles, making in hindsight, Onslaught a product of her manipulation. What if everytime he tried he tried to fight with her on ideals, a piece of him fighting back was put into the deep crevices of his mind. Also, I'm really excited to see where they go with Vulcan and the whole thing with Legion and Proteus.
I'd love it if at some point someone fills in the gap between Rosenberg's run and HoX/PoX. I feel like it was necesary to skip some stuff and start in HoX/PoX to surprise readers with the new status quo but i think seeing how it happened would be interesting, how did everyone get on board, etc
Hi, Great and in-depth vidéo again, loved it. It made me think about something: if you read Extermination again (also Pepe Larraz) witch I guess is the last story from let’s say the past, before the first one (POX & HOX), do you think there might actually be more than meet the eyes ? Young cycles asks young Jean if maybe young Cable might have lied to them ?!?!? They are back in the past thinking they have make a difference, but erase their memories, and a few more details … is the Cyclops we see on the last page the one we see in Hickman’s series, it is the same young Cable for sure, so there are links right ?!??! I don’t know, looks too me that we could very well be VERY miss-lead !!!
Great video, as always! I'd love to get a Moira centric series down the line, i feel there's so much potential there... I'd also love to get more into Mr. Sinister and the chimeras as that too seems like there so much good storytelling that hasn't been tapped into yet!
In my theory Moira's plan is to use her reincarnation powers to turn every newborn babies to have the x-gene she can accomplish this by using mutant powers, technology & magic.
always look forward to this series!! Any thoughts on Alpha The Ultimate Mutant? I wonder if Hickman has plans for Alpha down the line. The Defender storyline does involve Moira and Magneto. Hmmmm
I have this strange idea that Moira had a vaccine that could remove the mutant trait , but she also had the needle shot that could activate a normal human to become a mutant . They show the timeline where she was assassinated by a mutant who could see the future and mystique. When Moira invented a cure for mutant powers Beast and Nightcrawler might jump at the chance to look normal . While this would cause outrage among other mutants though.
I remember reading in one of Moira's lives that she faked her death with a Shi'ar golem/cloned body. "What if" that copy has her mutant abilities and worked to undo Moira and Krakoa. I wonder which writer is going pick up that thread and unravel that future story.
I think the whole "What happens if humans stop being beholden to evolution" is specially important because it aknowledges something very important: that the X-men live in a world FULL of empowered humans with abilities on par with the strongest mutants. And more than that, many of the processes that created those superpowered humans can be recreated, like with the many Hulks and the SpiderIsland. It's nice when the X-men stop pretending to live in the regular world and to only fight regular humans.
What were the Avengers doing when all this was happening? Were they aiding the government? Or were they turning a blind eye? The technological activity is impossible to not be noticed by Tony Stark. It boggles my mind how the two worlds of the X-Men and the Avengers don't overlap. Aren't they friends and help each other?
@@moyofeyide7490 His consciousness was in the web or something. Nowadays he is resurrected with that consciousness or something. Anyway, someone there should've noticed something.
It’s a huge break from the past. The only thing I’d recommend reading is Grant Morrison’s run and perhaps Astonishing Xmen but it would only spoil you as they are so much better than this.
@@m.stewart8094 wait a sec, I have read both of those runs mentioned, but after Reading Hickman's run of FF4/Secret Warriors/SHIELD/Avengers/Secret War I highly doubt Morrison's run was better than Hickman's X Men (Morrison stuck the landing with what he did with Magneto, I mean he screwed that ending up so much it took a few awkward duct taped together retcons to make it go away).
So if Moira is on her last life and may not have another...but they can add powers to mutants upon resurrection... why don't they add Moira's power set to everyone who the resurrect that way they learn the future exponentially?
As we've seen, the mutants are growing Krakoan flowers on Mars. A No-place is a kind of cyst in Krakoa that it can't detect. Correction: Moira embraced Xavier's dream in her fourth life. In her fifth, she radicalized him away from it. As for breaking the rules, look at her actions in her lives post-six. She becomes increasingly radicalized and anti-human. Life 7: Assassinate the Trasks, even their children. Life 8: Help Magneto in his conquest of America. Life 9: Wake Apocalypse, assist him in killing Xavier and Magneto, and culling a majority of humanity. What rule is left but the one against total genocide?
My BIG BRAIN theory: Moira's final plan is for a mutant Phalinx with Arakko Krakoa and probably AU Krakoa's with Betsy bringing them together the ultimate Mutant Machine Do what humans will do before they do it. Do it better
While re reading both hox,pox I noticed something ..i wrote it yesterday but had the lives wrong ...im hox 2 we see the many lives of Moira...in life 4 we see thats the life we're all familiar with ..she meets xavier..it shows the original xmen..then the all new xmen ... the phonix 5..etc..im assuming life 4 is the xmen we all grew up reading.. so does thst mean what we are reading now dawn of x... is a whole new timeline? And if so do any of the older established continuity still exsist...we see moria and Xavier heading towards the goals what are in dawn of x but in the past ..such as magneto on his island in the Bermuda triangle... that had to have been the past .when Moria reveals to churches her past lives is also the before the xmen ... so the question is .. this whole time that we've read xmen did they both know all that happened..or our we currently in a whole new time line for dawn of x?
I feel xmen aren't breaking the rules, they've had enough caring for ass holes(humanity) and only getting hate so they're playing by the humans rules to live in peace FINALLY, love Hickmans run, feel like people will be talking bout it like people talk about Claremont run 👍 great channel
As for the folks who do the total not gonna happen on our island no rebirth . didn't they answer that with the sabertooth exile.no death penalty but total limbo existence.
@@cray-seacoral thanks for answering that for me, now my next question is, if he and mora still had a relationship in this timeline and if so, why isn't he looking for her like he always does?
@@jawofajackass4047 I think in life 10, this is the current timeline as we know it. So everything that happened has happened. Maybe Sean is trying to look for her, but he wouldn't know she's a mutant. Hopefully we get an answer to this question in a later issue.
Trying hard to like this but just can’t get pass the robotic dialog and inconsistent characterizations. The only way I can get through this is to read it as something other than Xmen and selective editing of the dialog (e.g. replace “Scott” for “Son” and “Jean” for “Mom”).
If the Scarlet Witch were considered to be a mutant, wouldn't Wiccan as well? If fact, is Wiccan a mutant or not? Becuase if the Witch made him and Speed from her toughts, I'd assume she would make them mutants, and they are mutants in the House of M miniseries in 2015.
I'm reading HoXPoX again getting ready for Inferno! Hickman is leaving the X-men, this really sucks. I dont know how he wraps up all these loose threads in 4 issues. Vulcan Phalanx Nimrod Sabertooth Orchis Theres alot more...4 40 page issues wont do it. Marvel is robbing us of a beautiful story.
Moira's interaction with Destiny doesn't explain why there can't be any precogs on Krakoa, since there are plenty of other precogs she hasn't had a negative interaction with. It's obvious how Moira got to year 1000 in life 6, which is one of the problems with Hickman's story. Apocalypse used genetic engineering to create Mr. Sinister and make him essentially immortal in the 19th century. He obviously used similar technology on Moira. But that leads to the obvious question: why can't mutants use genetic engineering to keep themselves ahead of the inevitable rise of post-humans? There are tons of other problems with Hickman's Dawn of X, obvious things Moira could've tried to prevent the extinction of mutants.
Can I just say thank you for being a positive content creator. 🙏 it is GREATLY appreciated. I'm losing my mind with so many comic book channels just feeding off of the negative and feeding into the death of the industry. Along with just hating on every single writer/artists doing anything within the last 6 months. Your channel along with Blerd and Comics explained, is such a relief.
Amen to that. I want a community of people who....oh, I don't know....like comics?
These Hickman X-Men deep dives are best in class! I always look forward to your videos and watch each at least 8-10 times. Great delivery, references, and theories. This keeps me engaged in Dawn of X more than the spinoff books! Keep it up!
That is very high praise :) thanks so much for sharing!
Grats on 50 episodes of Krakin' Krakoa! As always, you're my favorite comic book channel to listen to after reading the new X-Men books. Thanks for the critical analyses of the entire HoX/PoX/DoX storyline. It's given me some clarity on a few less than obvious ideas Hickman is putting out there. Excited at the prospect of your predictions being true! Keep up the great work!
Thank you! Love hearing that, keeps me going 🤘🤘🤘
a few thing we have yet to see and i would like to be more developed:
.Krakoa in general, all the places it has
.what normal, everyday life looks like in krakoa. Including a lot of relationships and things like the kids teaching other kids.
.Mutant enemies, within krakoa or from outside
I tweeted about this the other day, but a Kurt Busiek style Astro City just for Krakoa would be brilliant!
@@Comicbookherald
Isn't Busiek writting some things for Marvel again? maybe they're sweeting him up
I feel like these ten “lives” are all timelines where Bishop, Rachel and Cable all come from. Their coming to this point in time is to aid Moira X in the final “attempt.”
Also, keep in mind that Moira helped found a group that included Captain Britain. The protector of the multiverse.
She may have had access to all those timelines- or past lives.
That was in depth bro.
Legion, and Mr M?
Yes.
Game changing.
Moira's got an ace up her sleeve.
This was so good, thanks man. I went crazy on your channel and watched 50 videos in one day. This is the best x men have been since morrisons run!
congrats on 50! I love this. I hope you keep it up.
Great video ! Having just re-read HoXPoX, I'm very interested in seeing Moira appear in Dawn of X, especially her potential interactions with characters of her "family" such as Banshee, Wolfsbane, and Proteus. Possibly my only complaint against Moira's new place in the X-Men universe is that it's hard to reconcile what we know of her from 45 years of X-Comics with the behind-the-scenes manipulator she now seems to be. We know Proteus is part of her plans for mutantdom ; but what about her adopting Rahne Sinclair ? I guess what I'm saying is : Marvel, give us that 12-issues Moira X miniseries about her past lives and what was going on in her mind during her tenth life/the last 45 years of X-Men comics !
Reconciling Moira's history is one of my favorite challenges in X-Men now. Some parts work as beautiful unintentional foreshadowing, and others are square pegs in round holes (namely solo conversations between her and Charlie). I'm really curious about creators that could mine that territory. Mike Carey or Kurt Busiek have the history, but it could be just as well to bring in some new strong voices and let them shine.
That is supposedly why she faked her own death and is now hiding out in her no-place(space) because her actions are causing unpredicted short term changes. But yes, we definitely need that rumored Moira book asap
moria was always a behind the scenes manipulator also for her current life she wanted to go on her on path and protect mutants just not taking such a pivotal role and I don't think proteus's birth was planned same with her relationship with Joe and adopting wolfsbane since in her previous lives they weren't shown and in one of the books she said that she was gonna make this life worthwhile
So Moira ended up breaking Charles, making in hindsight, Onslaught a product of her manipulation. What if everytime he tried he tried to fight with her on ideals, a piece of him fighting back was put into the deep crevices of his mind.
Also, I'm really excited to see where they go with Vulcan and the whole thing with Legion and Proteus.
I'd love it if at some point someone fills in the gap between Rosenberg's run and HoX/PoX. I feel like it was necesary to skip some stuff and start in HoX/PoX to surprise readers with the new status quo but i think seeing how it happened would be interesting, how did everyone get on board, etc
Definitely, especially the new mutants with technoorganic virus and what that means for Doug and Lock
Franklin + Moira
Mad Jim Jaspers would be a great call back. I like the idea of Saturnyne and him playing a shadow campaign against each other
I wanna so much see the chimeras mutants by Mr. Sinister!!!
I Hope in the future they show up some how.
Victor Martins Rasputin was so cool in PoX! I hope to see her again somehow
Another excellent video!!
Hi, Great and in-depth vidéo again, loved it. It made me think about something: if you read Extermination again (also Pepe Larraz) witch I guess is the last story from let’s say the past, before the first one (POX & HOX), do you think there might actually be more than meet the eyes ? Young cycles asks young Jean if maybe young Cable might have lied to them ?!?!? They are back in the past thinking they have make a difference, but erase their memories, and a few more details … is the Cyclops we see on the last page the one we see in Hickman’s series, it is the same young Cable for sure, so there are links right ?!??! I don’t know, looks too me that we could very well be VERY miss-lead !!!
JC Laurent so much to ponder! The have definitely got me hooked
Thank you. So good.
Great video, as always! I'd love to get a Moira centric series down the line, i feel there's so much potential there... I'd also love to get more into Mr. Sinister and the chimeras as that too seems like there so much good storytelling that hasn't been tapped into yet!
Any Destiny players noticed how Hickman made Phalanx more like the Vex to the extend of only differing in ambitions and tactics.
In my theory Moira's plan is to use her reincarnation powers to turn every newborn babies to have the x-gene she can accomplish this by using mutant powers, technology & magic.
I think that Orchis has a shard of the M'Krann crystal .
I think franklin is part of the endgame seeing as how they have a whole book about who's side he's gonna be on and fixing his powers
always look forward to this series!! Any thoughts on Alpha The Ultimate Mutant? I wonder if Hickman has plans for Alpha down the line. The Defender storyline does involve Moira and Magneto. Hmmmm
what defender storyline? what's that?
"Cue Fleetwood Mac on your soundtrack."
No thanks. I already had a single Stevie Nicks song stuck in my head for 3 solid weeks in a row.... Twice.
I'm hoping we'll get to see mutants using The World to speed up their own evolution beyond the COTV. That would be awesome.
So wait... Moira's powers can last forever in at least one of the timelines if she is able to be resurrected by the five right??
Cole B. Ryan not sure how that would work, very intriguing though. So many possibilities
I wish they'd bring back Warp Savant. His powers were interesting and I've always wondered if he actually died when he used them on himself.
Sounds like exactly the sort of deep cut pull Hickman and co would use 🤔
I have this strange idea that Moira had a vaccine that could remove the mutant trait , but she also had the needle shot that could activate a normal human to become a mutant . They show the timeline where she was assassinated by a mutant who could see the future and mystique. When Moira invented a cure for mutant powers Beast and Nightcrawler might jump at the chance to look normal . While this would cause outrage among other mutants though.
50?! Dang! Have the writers answered ANYTHING from House &
Powers?! Let's find out...
SHWN SHTS more and more teases. They just give you a small answer that usually leads to more questions
I'm excited to see a connection between mutants and Eternals. I would love to see mutants evolving to that level, the 5 is an example of Uni-Mind
I remember reading in one of Moira's lives that she faked her death with a Shi'ar golem/cloned body. "What if" that copy has her mutant abilities and worked to undo Moira and Krakoa. I wonder which writer is going pick up that thread and unravel that future story.
I think the whole "What happens if humans stop being beholden to evolution" is specially important because it aknowledges something very important: that the X-men live in a world FULL of empowered humans with abilities on par with the strongest mutants. And more than that, many of the processes that created those superpowered humans can be recreated, like with the many Hulks and the SpiderIsland. It's nice when the X-men stop pretending to live in the regular world and to only fight regular humans.
What were the Avengers doing when all this was happening? Were they aiding the government? Or were they turning a blind eye? The technological activity is impossible to not be noticed by Tony Stark. It boggles my mind how the two worlds of the X-Men and the Avengers don't overlap. Aren't they friends and help each other?
Don't keep up with iron man that much but I thought tony was dead
@@moyofeyide7490 His consciousness was in the web or something. Nowadays he is resurrected with that consciousness or something. Anyway, someone there should've noticed something.
Adrian Mercado that sounds like it could be a big event, maybe even in the works already
"Cue your Fleetwood Mac"
If you insist...
Do you now have a leaner X Men Reading order that compliments House/Powers continuity?
It’s a huge break from the past. The only thing I’d recommend reading is Grant Morrison’s run and perhaps Astonishing Xmen but it would only spoil you as they are so much better than this.
@@m.stewart8094 wait a sec, I have read both of those runs mentioned, but after Reading Hickman's run of FF4/Secret Warriors/SHIELD/Avengers/Secret War I highly doubt Morrison's run was better than Hickman's X Men (Morrison stuck the landing with what he did with Magneto, I mean he screwed that ending up so much it took a few awkward duct taped together retcons to make it go away).
So if Moira is on her last life and may not have another...but they can add powers to mutants upon resurrection... why don't they add Moira's power set to everyone who the resurrect that way they learn the future exponentially?
21:31 who is the dude with the green glowing eyes?
do you feel mutants are getting closer to Eternals with the combining of powers? kinda like a uni-mind?
All I can do is keep thinking of Avengers vs X-men. If Krakoa goes to war with Wakanda it will definitely be AvX
As we've seen, the mutants are growing Krakoan flowers on Mars. A No-place is a kind of cyst in Krakoa that it can't detect.
Correction: Moira embraced Xavier's dream in her fourth life. In her fifth, she radicalized him away from it.
As for breaking the rules, look at her actions in her lives post-six. She becomes increasingly radicalized and anti-human.
Life 7: Assassinate the Trasks, even their children.
Life 8: Help Magneto in his conquest of America.
Life 9: Wake Apocalypse, assist him in killing Xavier and Magneto, and culling a majority of humanity.
What rule is left but the one against total genocide?
My BIG BRAIN theory:
Moira's final plan is for a mutant Phalinx
with Arakko Krakoa and probably AU Krakoa's with Betsy bringing them together
the ultimate Mutant Machine
Do what humans will do before they do it. Do it better
While re reading both hox,pox I noticed something ..i wrote it yesterday but had the lives wrong ...im hox 2 we see the many lives of Moira...in life 4 we see thats the life we're all familiar with ..she meets xavier..it shows the original xmen..then the all new xmen ... the phonix 5..etc..im assuming life 4 is the xmen we all grew up reading.. so does thst mean what we are reading now dawn of x... is a whole new timeline? And if so do any of the older established continuity still exsist...we see moria and Xavier heading towards the goals what are in dawn of x but in the past ..such as magneto on his island in the Bermuda triangle... that had to have been the past .when Moria reveals to churches her past lives is also the before the xmen ... so the question is .. this whole time that we've read xmen did they both know all that happened..or our we currently in a whole new time line for dawn of x?
I feel xmen aren't breaking the rules, they've had enough caring for ass holes(humanity) and only getting hate so they're playing by the humans rules to live in peace FINALLY, love Hickmans run, feel like people will be talking bout it like people talk about Claremont run 👍 great channel
As for the folks who do the total not gonna happen on our island no rebirth . didn't they answer that with the sabertooth exile.no death penalty but total limbo existence.
Nobody has asked yet where is Sean Banshee Cassidy?
He's alive, just in the background.
@@cray-seacoral thanks for answering that for me, now my next question is, if he and mora still had a relationship in this timeline and if so, why isn't he looking for her like he always does?
@@jawofajackass4047 I think in life 10, this is the current timeline as we know it. So everything that happened has happened. Maybe Sean is trying to look for her, but he wouldn't know she's a mutant. Hopefully we get an answer to this question in a later issue.
@@cray-seacoral great theory can hardly wait to see where this all goes
Oh heck 😳 if there's a "Sean knows too much" angle, I'll be so excited. Definitely have to reconcile his relationship with Moira at some point!
Trying hard to like this but just can’t get pass the robotic dialog and inconsistent characterizations. The only way I can get through this is to read it as something other than Xmen and selective editing of the dialog (e.g. replace “Scott” for “Son” and “Jean” for “Mom”).
If the Scarlet Witch were considered to be a mutant, wouldn't Wiccan as well? If fact, is Wiccan a mutant or not? Becuase if the Witch made him and Speed from her toughts, I'd assume she would make them mutants, and they are mutants in the House of M miniseries in 2015.
Scarlet witch is apparently not a mutant but her children are!
I just found you, but I feel like i don't even need to watch the other 49. Thanks! New subscriber here
Cole B. Ryan missing out
I'm reading HoXPoX again getting ready for Inferno! Hickman is leaving the X-men, this really sucks. I dont know how he wraps up all these loose threads in 4 issues.
Vulcan
Phalanx
Nimrod
Sabertooth
Orchis
Theres alot more...4 40 page issues wont do it. Marvel is robbing us of a beautiful story.
What is this video purpose to be about??
The new cancellation of time
At the end of the story they’ll come out of The World with the knowledge that the only constant in all their failures was Moira. Moira gets de powered
Hector Najar nah
Moira's interaction with Destiny doesn't explain why there can't be any precogs on Krakoa, since there are plenty of other precogs she hasn't had a negative interaction with. It's obvious how Moira got to year 1000 in life 6, which is one of the problems with Hickman's story. Apocalypse used genetic engineering to create Mr. Sinister and make him essentially immortal in the 19th century. He obviously used similar technology on Moira. But that leads to the obvious question: why can't mutants use genetic engineering to keep themselves ahead of the inevitable rise of post-humans? There are tons of other problems with Hickman's Dawn of X, obvious things Moira could've tried to prevent the extinction of mutants.
Damian Patterson there are no problems. Lol jk. I know Hickman can be confusing but it always has a HUGE payoff in the end #InHickmanWeTrust