Takumi Sen 9 vs Adios 8 Shoeoff Session
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- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- My coach had set me a session of 8 mins at 10K pace followed after 3 mins rest by 15 x 400m, 60 secs at least 5K pace.
To test my new acquired adidas Adizero Takumi Sen 9 and adias Adizero Adios 8, I did the 8 min effort and the 1st 7 400s in the Sen 9 and then switched over the Adios 8 for the remaining 8 400s. So in this video I discuss how it went and how each shoe felt.
0:00 Introduction & look at Takumi Sen 9
1:55 Thoughts after 8 min effort in Sen 9
3:48 Stats of the 400m intervals
7:15 Footage & thoughts of the 400m intervals
9:37 Takumi Sen 9 Good Point Bad Point & Adios 8 comparisons
16:39 POV of one 400m interval
Strava of Takumi Sen 9 reps: / strava
Strava of the Adios 8 reps: / strava
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'I buy what I want to buy' , can't argue with that 🙂
Ha ha, well done for getting that far but yeah I am trying to be a bit more discerning with my shoe purchases of late.
You made some real good points ... I'm extremely satisfied with my Adios 7 and when the time comes I will upgrade it with the Adios 8 ! That is more then I need to be happy running as fast as I possible can .
I have always found the regular Adios shoes last longer than you might think. With a bit of luck the Adios 8 will be on discount when you need a new shoe.
I'm definitely getting an Adios 8 for me for daily training. The new strategies of designing over-cushioned everyday shoes with 40mm+ stack causes instabilities in the gate of non-elite runners, which long-term causes, Plantar, Achillis and Anterior Tibialis issues.
I think a shoe like the Adios 8 offers something different these days and indeed may well help to reduce the increasing reliance of high stack soft shoes as you say. I would tend to only use a shoe like the Adios 8 for faster days and not "daily" however as I worry that a shoe likes the Adios 8 just wants to me go faster when that is not always what I should be doing some days.
Nice bit of goal pace there Tim! Good to see you testing the shoes mate and giving that instant feedback. Keep up the great work buddy! 😎🤘
Nothing like a bit of goal pace to test race shoes :) Just a regret it is not as fast as I would like these days. Funny as talking to camera between reps on a solo session helps to sort of dull the pain. Definite trail potential in the Adios 8 - worked well on a cricket pitch in summer and guess what - no mud on the heels :) Result !
@@TimGrose glad to hear the heels were mud free after the run Tim! Did you manage to stop off at the pub mid session to rest a refuel? 😉
@@BenNotley yeah saves the cleaning job for one’s review :) You might think have never worn them. Bit late by the time had finished up for a drink. I think they were still open but nobody then outside. I did pop in last time was here. One of my favourite Shoeoff locations as can park right by the start of a bigger loop and this contrived small 400m sort of dash round the green. Cricket pitch good for filming too and pseudo trail runs! Zero phone reception though which seems odd in this day and age. Dunsfold now has a fair few new houses too. Done a bit of off road round here but most places are now nettle fests and us RUclipsrs need to find places for solid goal pace.
Nice session. Here is my like good sir.
Thanks!
I'm pleased with this comparison! I love the Adios 6, I've got two of it, but I was thinking about getting a Takumi. But when I heard of the Adios 8, I decided to wait and see... And now you gave me the answer I wished to know. Takumi might be the better one because of its technology, but for us, amateurs, it doesn't work that good being so narrow and unstable. I think the netx Takumi is going to be wider and with full rods like the Pro 3. If the Takumi 10 comes like that, then I think it would be really the best. Thank you for the review!
Thanks! Having a long narrow foot the Takumi Sen 9 fits me well but performance wise, as you saw, was hard to see or indeed feel any obvious benefit over the somewhat cheaper Adios 8. As you say the Adios 8 does feel a bit more stable and I also have found it a lot better on firm trails so think it is also a bit more versatile. At least the TS9 does offer something rather different to the AP3. There have been times with adidas when most of their adizero shoes were very similar. These two sort of fill similar use cases but the ride is different on foot so good to have the options.
Thanks, great video! Now we just need a Adios with full LSP midsole. Liked my Sen8 but also found it uncomfortable and unstable for warm ups or off intervals.
Maybe be an idea for future shoe offs. Measure the shoe efficiency by running on the treadmill for a set pace and measure power using Stryd or wrist based power. The inverse power should be the more efficient shoe (at least for you as a person)
Thanks! Guess an Adios with a Lightstrike Pro midsole becomes even more like a Takumi Sen 8 or 9 ! I have largely given up with power in shoeoffs as never really found there was any meaningful difference between shoes and any difference was often "false" by say Air Power differences probably caused by variances in Stryd placement location. Unlike a bike power meter it is not measuring power directly. As such, and on a treadmill especially, I found that the correlation between pace and power was almost perfect.
I’m a believer of the TS. My 5K time keeps going down and these are the shoes that work for me on race day. I still use the 8 with the same midsole as the 9. Bought a second pair on discount. VF2 is my choice for half marathon distance. I may consider this new version of the Adios or Boston for a training shoe.
Good that you get on with them. Have you now noticed any actual difference between the Sen 8 & 9. I will have to see if can still fit into my smaller 8. For me I just haven’t found any real performance advantages over the Vaporfly at any distance but this was only my 2nd session in the Sen 9 and for sure for sessions they work fine.
@@TimGrose the 9 seems to have the same midsole as the 8 with a lighter upper. I don’t run with high cadence but a firmer shoe works for me when I can load the plate or rods when pushing off to generate more force. I’m trying to decide between the Adios 8 and Boston 12 for marathon training as a tempo shoe. Your videos are great information.
Just bought the Takumi Sen 9 for 70€ in Adidas official outlet. Like em so far.
Good deal there for sure !
I just checked my VF1 and TS8 and both are same weight in my size. I do agree I prefer VF over TS. I find I pronate more on the TS8 with the cutout. I did get the TS8 at 45% off so it was a bargain.
Yeah good to confirm the weights are more or less the same in a different size. I have the TS8 but a size down as I also got a good discount but they were slightly short for me so was keen to try the TS9 in my TTS. Otherwise think the TS8 & TS9 are very similar.
I was thinking of getting these now I’m having doubts. I need help choosing what shoe to get for speed sessions/possibly 5k park runs to 10k races. Shall I go for puma nitro, Mach x, endorphin pro 3, or Boston 12 I’m using adios pro 2 and the stack puts me off to high and more effort/slackness I get with not much pop
I’m trying to get back from 18 mins 5k to 17 mins
Am going to try and do a video on all my adidas shoes. Having used them all a bit more now then I would say the Takumi Sen 9 is the best bet for 5K races if you don't like the higher stacked shoes like the Endorphin Pro 3 or Adios Pro 2/3 or indeed the Vaporfly 3 which I have used for 2 5Ks now. I don't think the Sen 9 are any "faster" over 5K than the "marathon" shoes though but if you can't get on with them. Adios 8 is a good budget option for faster training and I find it better than the Sen 9 for off road.
Lightstrike Pro gets softer as you run and gets better. So, you will probably need some miles with it. The rods in this shoe are fiberglass or plastic. Definitely not carbon fiber or carbon infused.
I've done about 150 miles now in the Adios Pro 3 and can't really say it has changed much. Certainly notice a slightly softer feel in that one compared to these two. Nearly at 50 miles in the Adios 8 now but need more time in the Sen 9 to see how it changes.
Good for keeping it hoenst and not giving into the Takumi Sen hype. I really like that shoe but you bring up an interesting point of use case. Would I actually race in the shoe? Well I would, if there weren' t 2-3 Nike shoes I would pick over it. So it' s sort of reserved for intervals only. Even for steady running, it' s really a bit too stiff. Adios 8 seems like it can do a bit more, pretty much everything except for maybe the slowest recovery plods.
Yeah if you recall I did several shoeoffs with the Sen 8 vs PrimeX, AP2 and VF2 and it was "at best" not much in it even for shortish fastish efforts and not certainly not plods. I did ponder using it "out of the box" for my 5K race last week but played safe and went back to the VF1. Would be good to try it in a low key race but I am the sort of runner that only likes to try my best in races and not plod round as it were. As a workout shoe then certainly worked well enough here but then so did the Adios 8 £50 cheaper - well at least what I could get right now in my largely elusive UK 13.5.
@@TimGrose I'll try the Adios 8 eventually. Still a bit annoyed that I paid full price for the Boston 12 which turned out to be not all that great lol
@@robin29991 Ah I thought you were using the Boston 12 a lot? Just watched some more reviews on it which generally seem very positive but in terms of fit alone I much prefer the 11 and if the fit isn't great hard to get too excited about a shoe generally although I did manage to work round my VF3 fit issues.
@@TimGrose Yes, using it alot but mainly because I force myself to actually use the shoes I buy. At 90km now but will likely not see that much use anymore beyond that.
@@robin29991 ah same if you saw my Strava yesterday and Monday. Maybe partly as am training quite hard at moment and using the Boston 12 on the “easy” days. Last night I was kind of wishing for something a bit like the Speed that could plod along in without feeling got just too much shoe on. Was in fairly hilly terrain terrain and the uphill nits felt a bit of a slog. Maybe need to try on fresher legs as maybe I am using it for the wrong use case but in the days when I only wore Adios or Boston would have been Boston every time for such runs. After all never felt the need to put on my race shoes for a plod !
I fully agree, the TS9 is a fast shoe and a vry good shoe...but it is very much a niche shoe. If you have the form and strength to get the most out of it then it is the optimal 5/10k racer... but for most people a Vaporfly is going to be as fast or faster given it is more user friendly.
As for the Adios 8, you get 90% of what you get in the TS9, but for less money and in a shoe that it good for easy running and interval workouts. Something the TS9 is not great for. Also, from a training effect you likely are going to get more out of the Adios 8 due to the more natural flex and the need not depend on the modern geometry and carbon (infused) rods rolling you forward.
Both great shoes, no doubt. The Adios 8 is just a little better (and more versatile) overall.
Good we agree. I rewatched your comparison video in case had missed anything and seemed broadly similar thoughts. BTW have you got the Boston 12 as well as been a bit disappointed with that one but I wonder in a more “normal” size whether it would feel better. It must be about the weight of my Adios 8 in say a US 9 or 10 compared to my boat feet UK 13.5/US 14.
@@TimGrose I’m on the fence about the Boston 12. I don’t need it, I have better options for what that shoe is. Plus I still haven’t forgiven Adidas for what they did to the Boston line after the 9…
I’ll see where I am later in the summer as I start to prep for my NYC build. I’m still mostly a Nike runner… but if the AP4 has a better upper I may decide to race that instead. If I do I’ll need the B12 as a long run shoe. So we will see.
@@SagasuRunning out of interest what is your sort of "daily trainer" in the main? I recall you use the Streakfly a lot but presume not for easy days. But yes a Boston 9 type shoe in a UK 13.5 would have been nice. I had it in a UK 12.5 so never really saw it in its best light. Same goes for the first SL20 in 2020 but even so used both a fair bit. Sure I only bought the Boston 10/11/12 for the name!
@@TimGrose right now my “daily” shoe is a mix of Novablast 3 and Adios 8, but we are in full summer here in Taipei (34-35c temps daily) so running volume in the summers here is a no-go. I’m more focused on building speed at the moment. Im also enjoying the Magic Speed 3 at the moment too.
When I’m in a build for a marathon… I’m all about the Invincible 3 and Streakfly for daily, and the streakfly for workouts. I prefer to race in VFs… I find a full ZoomX rotation helps me recover better when building those big weeks in marathon training. I’m actually preparing a video about this right now.
I guess for me the question is how much faster is the new adios 8 compared to the adios 6/7. For me its more like the adios can do 80% of what the takumi does. And if the new 8 approaches 90%, well that 10% in a 10k race for the takumi is significant. My adios pro 2 gives me that over my old marathon shoes choices. Im sure you give the nodd to the vaporflys over anything els to get that 5 to 10 % advantage. So yeah, takumi sen all the way for me.
how do you get more info then me? Power, ground time etc.....garmin 6x pro
For most of the running dynamics data like that you need a Garmin HR strap like the HRM-Pro+ that I use. That said I think a lot of it is now available just from the watch in say the Forerunner 955 that I use or the 965 or the Fenix 7 watches.
yeah 6x pro doesnt have this data, too sad...thanks @@TimGrose
It’s criminal your one of the best RUclipsrs but don’t get sent the free stuff
Thanks. TBH I have never tried to source any as in a way I feel I can give my honest opinion and restrict my shoes to ones I think I will probably like even if it is not always 100% the case. Besides quite a few “hype” shoes don’t come in a UK 13 or, if they do as here, are produced in seemingly very small batches. I do note likes of Ben Parkes doesn’t get given any stuff either nor seeks it and does shoe it works. Of course if I was offered any I may well do so but mainly I see myself as a competitive if aging runner not a shoe tester as it were.
Really torn on the Adios 8 vs Takumi Sen9, they just now seem to close together for use case....for me. Throw a Strung upper on the Takumi Sen9+/10 and I'd probably pay any price...I own both the Adios 6 and Takumi Sen8 and they are very different shoes. Although my Adios 6's are basically retired at 450KM (since I keep grabbing other shoes over it). The Takumi Sen8 just sings to me.....even so much so that I'm considering racing in the Takumi Sen8 over my AlphaFly V1 this weekend at a 10km race before I start my next marathon block. First world problems....LOL
Thanks for the comparison video!
Yeah as you saw here both “work” for 400m reps at 5K pace AC’s perhaps a bit under. I do feel the Adios 8 offers more options - they worked well on a steady HM training run on Sunday and felt a lot better on some dry trail sections than the Sen 9 does which I feel is only really happy going for it. I suspect the Sen 9 will feel very similar to the 8 but do feel bit more iteration in the Adios 6 to 8 - significantly lighter and now a bit softer but not as soft as say a Streakfly. As for the race only real way of knowing is it to try. I am much more a Vaporfly than Alphafly fan so in fact haven’t raced in the AF or the Sen. I pondered using the Sen 9 for my 5K last week but with races often you use what you are used to. I do find now increasingly it has gone back to preference as all these shoes work pretty well now.
@@TimGrose I'm such a high cadence runner (191spm in last marathon), thinking I need to try to focus on lighter shoes, while balancing the need for cushioning. I think this is why I have liked the Takumi Sen so much. I've never tried a VF yet, but as I am constantly getting faster thinking it might be time to try it.
@@timtrenholm3698 for my height (1.95m) my cadence is pretty high too. About mid 180s at MP (just sub 3 :) ) and I was about 190 at this 5K ish pace. Definitely worth giving the VF a go. I have done some quick 200+ spm sprints in the VF so basically it has worked for me from anything from 200m flat out to now 3 marathons in them and everything in between. These days I don't think there is generally a need to think am I was fast enough for any shoe. If anything the reverse is true and always felt the Takumi Sen was quite a niche shoe - certainly before the 8 when was very minimal. More accessible now but as I think I mentioned not sure I am fast enough to really take it as my "best" short race shoe but fine to run in of course.
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