Thank you for the video. I bought a pair of Adios 8 just because they were heavily discounted, and with NO real space in my rotation for them. I must say I completely agree with you in that it is a shoe that takes you back to proper form focus, regardless of what type of running you use it for. I enjoy them for easy runs, tempo runs, long runs and even hills. It is not the fastest(Takumi Sen), nor is it bouncy(Adios P3) or supportive(Boston), but it just a effortless easy shoe to get along with, and to squeeze in anywhere and anytime you feel you need a break from all the modern high stack/plated shoes we run in.
Really like these shoes for the track. I’d like to work up to using them on shorter easy runs just for the leg workout and mechanics. Adios 9 is arguably my most hyped shoe for ‘24.
Just buying new running shoes after my olds Asics Cumulus 16..I have to admit that Im a little bit shocked by all that technology and cushioning we can find into running shoes today. So I found this adios 8, so much closer to what I used to have, like you say in an old style, I bough them and can't wait to test them! I will use them for my speed trainings.
Agree good to do some runs in a shoe like the Adios 8. Still think it is a lot "more shoe" than the flats of bygone times. The Adios 1 I used most as my racer/session shoe until about 5 years ago and even with Boost that seemed "less" shoe. I was using the Adios 8 last summer for some multi terrain say part road, part light trails runs plus a few sessions. Do now instantly feel a lot lower to the ground but in a nice way. I guess now with the Takumi Sen 8, 9 and 10 are still being sold and often with big discounts danger of the Adios 8 being a bit sidelined. I "kind of" feel I had a place for say the Adios 8 and Takumi Sen 9 which I actually have but in reality both are sessions shoes and/or relatively minimal longer run shoes as now don't think either are an actual race shoe for me. If as leaked the Adios 9 is going to be "more" minimal it will be interesting but suspect will be an more niche shoe. On the other hand I feel for my long feet the Adios 8 is more like a "Boston" the 10-12 ever are/where for me. Again though "more is better" is generally now what seems to sell. On a slight tangent will a Peg Turbo 4 if like the 2 now seem too little shoe for many. Anyway good these less built up shoes have not been discontinued altogether but is going that way. I wonder if the Adios 9 will be track legal. That would have to make it very low stack indeed now so find that unlikely especially as actual spikes now have the foams to largely negate the need to wear flats for anybody in track races.
I suspect we will see more shoes like the A8, but especially the TS10, in the coming years as weight again takes center stage. The Evo 1 showed weight savings is important but they can’t sacrifice durability 100%. So the only option will be less foam and lower stacks again. Making something like the TS10 a bit of the norm and the A8/9 a workout shoe and try shorter racer for some. I do think the A9 will be a niche shoe but I’m happy Adidas is still investing in their development. The Peg Turbo 4 seems to be a higher stack now… last I saw it was about 30mm in the forefoot… I don’t think Nike is going for a lower shoe with it at all. We will see. Everything leaking still is a prototype and who knows from what stage of development.
You and I have commented many times how much we love and enjoy the Adios 8. I second your statements on durability as my pair has about 250 miles on them and my outsoles show virtually zero wear, even in my higher wear areas (lateral heel and center toe off on my left foot). I also really enjoy the ride for a no nonsense shoe and working on my mechanics, hill reps, and some shorter workouts. My 2 most anticipated shoes this year are the Adios 9 and the SL2. I will most likely pick up the SL2 as my next daily trainer to pair with my the Novablast (once I order them). Great in depth content as usual. It’s going to be an exciting year for Adidas.
The SL 2 is my next most anticipated shoes after the A9. I cannot wait for it to release. It looks spectacular. The 2024 Adizero range is hard to beat this year… and we haven’t even seen the real big guns yet.
I ran in the Adidas Torsion system in the Comrades Marathon 1991 - 90 KMS in a minimalist shoe. Much firmer than the 8 FYI The Torsion System Created by legendary Adidas designer Jacques Chassaing in the mid and late eighties, the ZX series was among the first to make use of adidas’ revolutionary Torsion system. Due to the new technology, the forefoot and heel sections of the soles could work independently from one another. In the process, it produced some of the most recognizable runners the era has ever seen.
Ya, I knew the system went WAY back. I was referencing the modern system introduced with Boost. Super interesting to know more of the long history though. Adidas was also experimenting with carbon back then too, right?
@@SagasuRunning not carbon - it was plastic. If you google Torsion 1980s they have design drawings - imagine very interesting for you being a designer!
@@craigtsmith6957 I Googled. I remember those shoes actually. I remember the style and marketing of that one. It always felt like Adidas was going for something to compete with Nike Air and Reebok Pump. Very different execution to what they did in the mid 2010s with Boost and the torsion shanks. Same basic idea basically. I meant they also were working with carbon in torsion control and proto plates IN ADDITION to the TPU/plastic shanks.
@@SagasuRunning This is another article i found on their design logic - "The adidas Torsion System This technology was intended for running shoes and gave the shoe more flexibility. The Torsion technology was mainly designed to support the midfoot. This allowed the forefoot and rear foot to move more freely and allows the foot to roll more easily while running. The Torsion system works as follows: The sole with this system is divided into three parts. The forefoot, midfoot and heel. When you take a step, your foot rolls, as it were, from toe to heel. This causes a lot of pressure on the foot, which can lead to injuries, especially in marathon runners. adidas ZX6000 Torsion System The Torsion technology provides a bridge between the forefoot and the rear foot. By supporting the midfoot, the foot rolls off more easily when running. On the bottom of the sole, you can often see a kind of 'bridge' that connects the front of the sneaker with the back. This connection is made of TPU-materials." Supports your idea of having a consistent Design Philosophy!
The Brooks Hyperion Tempo is a low stack shoe with no plate/rods which gives excellent ground feel. As you say, this means you have to work harder which is actually what is desirable in a training shoe.
Wow… that’s an old one. It made a splash years ago now. It’s also a bit different as it’s more rockered but still a fast little shoe. I’ll be covering the Hyperion 2 update later this year. The normal Brooks Hyperion compares to the Adios 8 much better. That is a fast little shoe for sure.
I love the Adios 8, to date i have done 282.7 miles with it. As you state in your review[occassional use]. I also use it twice or once a month. Longest i have ran in the shoe when it was newer[1st week] is 25km. Now i do 11km max runs, 12km if am pushing it.
I did the same for months, my longest run in it was 22k in the first month or two I had it...after that I mostly used it for easy 10-15k runs, occasional workouts and track workouts. I cannot wait for the A9!
Good morning Chris! These Sunday morning videos are a great way to start my day. Fueling up now for a longer long run in my Boston 12s once it warms up a little.
I’m happy to hear this. I picked this time because it’s convenient for me (it’s 9pm local time here) and convenient for my community (8am EST morning and early afternoon EU). Best of all worlds.
@@elliotendures At some point this year I’ll also be on PST for a while. Publishing when in Seattle was a bit of a pain. So I’ll need to figure something out.
Puma Liberate Nitro 2 sits right between Adios 8 and Streakfly. Firmer, surprisingly fast. But used as you describe, as a runner who isn't into the big cushion, rare breed of shoes. Looking forward to Adios 9! 👍
If we see a Puma Liberate Nitro 3 this year I'll cover it. I'm currently working on my first Puma video and getting up to speed with the tech stack. More to come. Yes, bring on the Adios 9!
Great review and observations. I'm excited about the Adios 9. My last Aduos were the 5 and my Takumi Sen 7s use the previous version of the torsion system. They were fine, but I can understand where extending them into the forefoot could cause issues. Of course, the earlier versions I cited didn't have Lightstrike pro.
I have to agree - truly a phenomenal shoe. I only wish there would be more color options. I feel adidas is neglecting that model quite a bit. I can't wait to run #1 in V9 later this summer.
@@SagasuRunning Nice. We have 4 at the moment (maybe the orange one that was popping up this week is coming soon). Still way less than other models like AP3, B12 or the adizero SL with 10+ CW in the last couple months.
I have 260km on the adios 8 and looking back it is mostly hill reps, track 200s and 400s, and threshold workouts. I got them in July 2023. What seems to have happened is that I reached for the adios 8 in preference to the Takumi Sen 8 - which has the same mileage but I have had it since Feb 2023. The think I don’t like is the torsion rod thing that is exposed to the outsole - which the TS 7 and A7 also had. It slides on gravel bits. I liked the Nike Streak 6/7 that had the shank inside the midsole better - although grave bits used to get stuck in the voids in the midsole in the Streak so nothing is perfect.
Also whatever phylon was that Nike used in the Streak 6/7 was better than Lightstrike 2.0. But I rather like Lightstrike Pro better than the old phylon and LSP is more resilient in a durability sense than phylon was. It does not break down much over a lot of mileage. On the one hand the LS rear kind of gives a proprioceptic dull thud for the badly placed footstrike, but on the other maybe it should just be LSP the whole shoe. A lower stacked all LSP shoe with a shank should be really nice. On the aside about the StreakFly, I could not really get into it. It was really, really light but it tended to a “bottoming out” feeling for me of squish and then pavement, which neither the Streak nor the Streak LT had.
Ya… the exposed midfoot shank makes horrible noises on gravel. That has been an Adidas hallmark for a while, but the A8 is especially bad. I picked so much rock out of Streaks, both the voids AND hex forefoot pattern.
Nike Phylon was a great. It was basic EVA with some fancy manufacturing techniques… but it was a better EVA than LS2.0 for sure. It did last forever too… as well as staying very consistent over the life of the shoe. The A8 really does let you know when your foot strike is not solid. Part of the slapping sound I mentioned I that it’s even more extreme after 160km for me. The SF was WAY softer than the Streaks and I knew many Streaks fans who had the same issue with the SF. Only a few of us embraced the SF… the rest stuck with their Streaks. I know one guy back in NYC who still has a stockpile of Streak 7s, at least 4-5 pairs new in the boxes. Even a few Streak LTs. He just won’t give them up.
@brianreiter5572 I remember. LS2.0 really is very “thuddy”. I actually have a pair of Streak 7s with me in Taiwan. I was considering doing a video on them at some point. They were in my very first Streakfly video … but was conceding a full video on them sometime in 2024.
as a adios 7 owner, i hope adios 8 is softer, more forgiving than adios 8.....my adios 7 has about 600km on them...i love them so much(after the break-in period)...still used them for tempo, interval, race pace 5k, 10k and HM training.....the foam started to bottoming out in 530km, but the shoe still feel comfortable for me(maybe because im a lighter build runner(my weight is around 64kg and height is around 1.77m)).
The B12 isn’t as loud to be due to the absence of the plate under the shoe like the A8 has. Additionally, the EVA you are actually running on in the B12 is a little quieter. But Adidas Adizero shoes aren’t the most quiet.
For myself I already have waaaay too many tempo shoes, so many that I start to do use them for my slow runs (80% are slow runs for me). You could take a look at the Li-Ning Feidian lineup... I really really love them, especially the Feidian Elite is a dream. The only real plus I see with the Adios is its price, its super affordable. Actually, when I see my km charts for all my shoes (around 30pairs), the most time I spend in the Peg36, with around 800km. And it was anything but max cushioned. Yet I only have good memories of it. But then, the adios 8 als daily trainer for easy effort? Difficult I think. But such videos remind me, that I should not run always in max cushion shoes.
I’ve not looked at anything from Li-Ning. Unsurprisingly the Chinese brands are rare here in Taiwan. They are around but kind of under the radar and it’s nearly impossible to tell what’s real vs fake. So I don’t bother. Way back “in the day” the Peg35/36 was my “cushioned shoe”. It was the shoe I put on when I wanted a cushioned run. Otherwise I ran in Streaks from Nike. I saved the 4% and ZoomFly for the important runs, workouts and races back then.
A chinese friend her parents work for Li-Ning, so I get an unlimited supply of Li-Nings, if I wanted to with a great discount.. Otherwise only the offical aliexpress store comes to mind who sells the originals. Sadly the brand is kinda overpriced to be realistic 200-290bucks for shoes that nobody even knows here in the EU is something. I still have my ZoomFly3 in an usable condition. It was my time where I began to run so I gonna keep the peg36, turbo2 and fly3 forever ☺
I think Adios should take the place of the track shoe in the Adizero lineup, a place in the past was taken by the Takumi Sen/Ren (the old one with boost in the forefoot). I’ve not tried the TS10, seems to be more rigid than the 9 or the 8, but still I don’t catch it the real role in the line…
Adidas has a large Adizero track line… but the A8 is a good hybrid shoe. I have enough or on the track, though the outsole is more road focused. The Takumi Ren/Sen were always 100% road shoes and nearly completely paralleled the Boston/Adios for the Japanese market, though they were even more stripped down and lightweight. The new Takumi Sen, 8-10, has little to do with the older legacy models in the range. The TS10 does seem stiff, due to the EnergyRod 2.0 carbon system… but I think they should make the shoe better. I will eventually get a pair whenever they release here.
Thank you very much for the detailed video..u explained it very nicely.. I need ur recommendation, i m looking for my 2nd pair of shoe - basically for Tempo run and Training workout, I have wide toe area I m confused among Adizero SL2 / ADIOS 8 / TAKUMI SEN 10 i heard somewhere Takumi sen has narrow toebox. What is ur suggestion?
The TS10 is VERY narrow, compared to the A8. Different type of fit and if you have a wide foot I wouldn't recoomend. The SL2 is a daily trainer. Much more cushioned than the A8, and a similar fit as far as width (maybe a little narrorwer). Addias will be releasing the Adios 9 later this year. That may be a shoe to wait for. Should have a more natural feel than the A8, but it is unclear on how the fit will be. I'm glad this video was useful. Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Can you believe V8 has not been released in Brazil at all? I found that out when I went looking for a pair for my speed sessions. Anyway, I ended up getting a super cheap shoe designed and manufactured by FILA in Brazil, called "Kenya Racer 5". The foam feels like EVA from two decades ago, but it weighs a meager 170g in my size. Besides, it costs 60 USD at full retail price, so it's working wonders for short and fast runs, specially with the Kinvara 14 tagged at 180 USD, Streakflies at 150 (with a discount), the NB Rebel V3, and the Takumi Sen 10 at a whopping 300 USD! Yes, you read that right!
I googled the FILA Kenya Race 5…. It looks a lot like the Hoka Cielo Road. It looks like not a bad little racing flat, old school, but that is a flat. Odd that the A8 was never released there. We may get things late here in Taiwan, but usually everything shows up at some point. Also those prices for Adidas!
And it gets weirder,@@SagasuRunning, because V7 is still available and Adidas' lineup in the country features most choices, so I don't see why this specific model is unavaiable. Anyway, as for the prices, just to sort it out, that happens to other brands too. I don't really know the exact figures but I'm sure a lot has to do with import taxes, because mammoths such as Nike and Adidas only make a few of their models locally. This, in turn, leads to an absurd premium on imported goods (for the sake of illustration, this happens to iPhones, vehicles, autoparts, watches, you name it), sometimes reaching 100%. Then, when these things eventually get a 40% discount, they'll be listed at the actually fair price they should've been from the very start. I know this doesn't concern you directly, or most of your audience, but since you incorporate a product design/market approach to your content, I thought you could find this interesting to know. For instance, I always read about how Puma Velocity Nitro 2 delivers a better experience compared to Pegs and other daily trainers for a fairer price tag (I even got one at a discount). Well, maybe they are, but hot here necessarily. Here's a few price tags to illustrate the point. How these could potentially affect your and other people's rotation choices? (these are not discounted, when they're discounted, they tend to be have very, very similar prices). Puma VN 2 = 180 USD Nike Pegs 40 = 200 USD Asics Novablast 4 = 200 USD Adidas Adizero SL = 180 USD New Balance 1080V13 = 240 USD (ouch) Saucony Ride 15 = 200 USD HOKA Clifton 9 = 220 USD More strikingly, the Superblast is 320 USD, and it's not surprising that I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PAIR IN PERSON, perhaps because the Adios Pro 3, for instance, is 360 USD, and the Vaporfly 3 is 400. Of course, nothing at this point can beat the Alphafly (500 USD) and the EVO 1, which is currently priced at 800 USD, lol. Have a nice week and thanks again for the kind responses. Happy running!
Fascinating. Living in Taiwan we deal with import taxes as well, but nothing like that. I have read about the Brazilian governments import controls before… but it all seems so random from your details. This is also another reason I rarely talk about price on the channel as it is such a local thing. Every country differs greatly and what is consisted expensive vs what IS expensive completely differs. Traveling as I do I see this often. So I’ll only mention price if it’s a big factor of the overall product.
On paper comparable… but on foot totally different rides and purposes. The Mach 5 is a cushioned performance trainer. It’s the type of shoe you might train in then race in something like the Adios 8. The Hoka Cielo Road is the direct Hoka analog to the Adios 8. Mach = cushioned performance trainer Cielo Road/Adios 8 = racing flat
Do you know if the New Balance Rebel v4, Hoka Mach 6, and a possible Pegasus Turbo 4 ( depending on the weight) are at the same category of the Adizero Adios ? I loved my Adios 7 much more than the Adizero SL ... the Adios was more stable (even if narrower) , quicker, and with a much better toe off grip . But I was thinking about going for a change from Adidas to try out other quick shoes from other brands. Thanks.
None of those shoes you mentioned are in the same category as the Adios 8. The shoes you mentioned are all considered “performance trainers” and very much not racing flats. They all have much higher stack are rockered. The Hoka Cielo Road, Asics Hyper Speed 3 and the Brooks Beast are all similar to the Adios 8. The Adios 8 is the better shoe though.
Mizuno is on my radar now, but I have no real plans to try any this year. Mostly because while Mizuno is very popular here in Taiwan, they are nearly all gold and baseball. Mizuno performance running is very rare here. I will likely need to look for them when I’m in the US or Japan.
I got quite wide feet and i think they are roomy, well maybe I would say they are long instead. I could have sized down from my usual Adidas size.@@axlrosea675
They have become wider. The A8 uses the wider adidas last now. Same as the Adios Pro 3 and the Boston 12. The only Adidas narrow shoe left in the Adidas lineup is the Takumi Sen now.
Is it the type like Saucony Kinvara where you have to give your foot to work more but still has some good defense and energy return? makes you work more but trains your foot better (your foot has to do the job unlike w these carbon plates, that helps).
Similar. The older Kinvaras were much more flexible than the Adios 8. Plus they did have the torsion system the A8 has… but in 2023/24 it’s about as close to a classic Kinvara feel as you’ll find.
I use the adios 7 for sprint training (warm up, drills and cool down). I love the stiffness and speed but my 7s have torn in many places behind the toes in just a couple of weeks. Do you have experience with the 7s? Is the 8 more durable or is sprinting and plyometric work just too much for the adios series?
I never ran in the 7s, but the upper on the 8 is very durable and they would be ideal for what you are doing and need them for. They are actually the shoe Noah Lyles was using for alot of that work the last 4-5months.
Hello im try to tell my experience with adios 8 Before that, im a supination on right leg. Supination means underpronation, your step outwards. Take look on Your outwardsole shoe Im feeling pain using cushion shoes in outer sole foot, near outside little finger foot because im a forefoot strike runners In adios 8, perfect for supination. Lower stack comfortable for outward forefoot step I've tried novablast 4, magic speed 3, deviate nitro, endorphin speed 3. All of them make my outward forefoot feels painful 😢 Adios 8 perfectly fine I want to try nb 1080 but im traumatized using cushion shoes
I’m also a forefoot striker with mild supination. The A8 is excellent to run in. The outsole absorbs so much and the LSP in the forefoot of the shoe is superb. I’m glad you found a shoe that works well for you. 🤙🏻
Would you recommend these as a daily trainer? I'm currently using them as my 5k race shoe but my daily trainers the Cyclone 2s need replacing. If so, what would be a good race shoe pairing? I haven't bought into plated shoes preferring low stack flexible shoes. I also trail run with Peregrine 13s.Thanks
You could do worst that these as a daily trainer. I did a lot of easy running in my pair and enjoyed them for that. If you want a daily trainer this minimal, these are your bes toption. However the Adidas SL2 is a fantastic daily option. I also prefer lower stack shoes for daily running, and the SL2 is borderline mid stack to me, but it's a great shoe with a ton of performance. I'll have some content around a new shoe and brand to the channel later this month or ealry Nov...on a shoe that I think might be the ideal daily trainer for those who prefer lower stack and more traditional shoes with good natural foot flex. Stay tuned.
Looking for a shoe for tempo/threshold/speed workouts. I want one without carbon plates and preferably I want it to make sure that I train my foot and calf muscles. The Adios has been on my radar. Would these be good to fill that spot in the rotation? I have also been considering Brooks Hyperion.
These, as in the Endorphin Speed 4? Or Takumi Sen 10? The upcoming Adios 9 could be the shoe for you and the upcoming Hyperion (the one without the plate) also seems like a valid option.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for taking your time to reply! I mainly consider adios 8 and Hyperion. The adios 8 is also quite cheap at the moment. So a race flat that can handle training and workouts and have some protection. My speed sessions are in the range of 10-20 km in total length.
The Adios 8 is a great option…I highly recommend it. Especially if you can get a good deal on it. It is excellent! I have multiple videos about it on this channel as well.
Will it be used for daily walking shoe? I really love the look and the weight of it and currently rocking ub 23 for daily walk. I enjoy the stability of ub23, can adios 8 do the same?
I wouldn’t recommend it for that. However, take a look the were new Adidas Supernova series. Spiritually the Supernova Rise or Supernova Stride. Both are excellent walking shoes with good stability.
No. Strung, like the entire Prime X is a development platform. Strung uppers don’t make good racer speed uppers. Eventually I think we will see a mesh upper, similar to what is on the Evo 1, reinforced by strung fibers in strategic locations. But we will unlikely see a full strung upper on any serious shoe.
Just for more context…. The Addias Adios WAS the Adidas race shoe before the super shoe era. It was also the most dominant race flat as well from pretty much everything from the 5k to the marathon. It’s a very good race shoe if you are looking for a modern race flat.
It would be, yes. The Hoka Cielo Road would be the only other real competition here. There are other racing flats for the road out there but they are all intended for shorter distances. You could race any road race in the Adios… it just depends on how trained you are and how fast you recover.
It would be, yes. The Hoka Cielo Road would be the only other real competition here. There are other racing flats for the road out there but they are all intended for shorter distances. You could race any road race in the Adios… it just depends on how trained you are and how fast you recover.
Thank you for the video. I bought a pair of Adios 8 just because they were heavily discounted, and with NO real space in my rotation for them. I must say I completely agree with you in that it is a shoe that takes you back to proper form focus, regardless of what type of running you use it for. I enjoy them for easy runs, tempo runs, long runs and even hills. It is not the fastest(Takumi Sen), nor is it bouncy(Adios P3) or supportive(Boston), but it just a effortless easy shoe to get along with, and to squeeze in anywhere and anytime you feel you need a break from all the modern high stack/plated shoes we run in.
You nailed the use case for the modern Adios. Well done! 🤙🏻
Really like these shoes for the track. I’d like to work up to using them on shorter easy runs just for the leg workout and mechanics. Adios 9 is arguably my most hyped shoe for ‘24.
The Adios 9 is possibly my most hyper shoe for 2024 as well. I cannot wait.
Just buying new running shoes after my olds Asics Cumulus 16..I have to admit that Im a little bit shocked by all that technology and cushioning we can find into running shoes today. So I found this adios 8, so much closer to what I used to have, like you say in an old style, I bough them and can't wait to test them! I will use them for my speed trainings.
Enjoy them. Yes, many changes in running shoes out there.
@@SagasuRunning i didn't keep them eventualy. 12 was too small and 12.5 too big.. Sad.
@arr84.design yes, sad.
I cannot believe you stated the name of the Forbidden Red Shoe. Notify the shoe police
Hahaha. Forbidden! 🚫
This is my interval and race day shoe. Does its job rather fabulously. Forces you to go back to the basics.
It definitely does. I loved it for that very thing but have replaced it with the Takumi Sen 10. Eagerly awaiting the Adios 9 though....
wow.. my favourite speed work shoes..
They are PERFECT for that!
Agree good to do some runs in a shoe like the Adios 8. Still think it is a lot "more shoe" than the flats of bygone times. The Adios 1 I used most as my racer/session shoe until about 5 years ago and even with Boost that seemed "less" shoe. I was using the Adios 8 last summer for some multi terrain say part road, part light trails runs plus a few sessions. Do now instantly feel a lot lower to the ground but in a nice way. I guess now with the Takumi Sen 8, 9 and 10 are still being sold and often with big discounts danger of the Adios 8 being a bit sidelined. I "kind of" feel I had a place for say the Adios 8 and Takumi Sen 9 which I actually have but in reality both are sessions shoes and/or relatively minimal longer run shoes as now don't think either are an actual race shoe for me. If as leaked the Adios 9 is going to be "more" minimal it will be interesting but suspect will be an more niche shoe. On the other hand I feel for my long feet the Adios 8 is more like a "Boston" the 10-12 ever are/where for me. Again though "more is better" is generally now what seems to sell. On a slight tangent will a Peg Turbo 4 if like the 2 now seem too little shoe for many. Anyway good these less built up shoes have not been discontinued altogether but is going that way. I wonder if the Adios 9 will be track legal. That would have to make it very low stack indeed now so find that unlikely especially as actual spikes now have the foams to largely negate the need to wear flats for anybody in track races.
I suspect we will see more shoes like the A8, but especially the TS10, in the coming years as weight again takes center stage. The Evo 1 showed weight savings is important but they can’t sacrifice durability 100%. So the only option will be less foam and lower stacks again. Making something like the TS10 a bit of the norm and the A8/9 a workout shoe and try shorter racer for some.
I do think the A9 will be a niche shoe but I’m happy Adidas is still investing in their development.
The Peg Turbo 4 seems to be a higher stack now… last I saw it was about 30mm in the forefoot… I don’t think Nike is going for a lower shoe with it at all. We will see. Everything leaking still is a prototype and who knows from what stage of development.
You and I have commented many times how much we love and enjoy the Adios 8. I second your statements on durability as my pair has about 250 miles on them and my outsoles show virtually zero wear, even in my higher wear areas (lateral heel and center toe off on my left foot). I also really enjoy the ride for a no nonsense shoe and working on my mechanics, hill reps, and some shorter workouts. My 2 most anticipated shoes this year are the Adios 9 and the SL2. I will most likely pick up the SL2 as my next daily trainer to pair with my the Novablast (once I order them). Great in depth content as usual. It’s going to be an exciting year for Adidas.
The SL 2 is my next most anticipated shoes after the A9. I cannot wait for it to release. It looks spectacular. The 2024 Adizero range is hard to beat this year… and we haven’t even seen the real big guns yet.
I ran in the Adidas Torsion system in the Comrades Marathon 1991 - 90 KMS in a minimalist shoe. Much firmer than the 8 FYI The Torsion System Created by legendary Adidas designer Jacques Chassaing in the mid and late eighties, the ZX series was among the first to make use of adidas’ revolutionary Torsion system. Due to the new technology, the forefoot and heel sections of the soles could work independently from one another. In the process, it produced some of the most recognizable runners the era has ever seen.
Ya, I knew the system went WAY back. I was referencing the modern system introduced with Boost. Super interesting to know more of the long history though. Adidas was also experimenting with carbon back then too, right?
@@SagasuRunning not carbon - it was plastic. If you google Torsion 1980s they have design drawings - imagine very interesting for you being a designer!
@@craigtsmith6957 I Googled. I remember those shoes actually. I remember the style and marketing of that one. It always felt like Adidas was going for something to compete with Nike Air and Reebok Pump.
Very different execution to what they did in the mid 2010s with Boost and the torsion shanks. Same basic idea basically.
I meant they also were working with carbon in torsion control and proto plates IN ADDITION to the TPU/plastic shanks.
@@SagasuRunning This is another article i found on their design logic - "The adidas Torsion System
This technology was intended for running shoes and gave the shoe more flexibility. The Torsion technology was mainly designed to support the midfoot. This allowed the forefoot and rear foot to move more freely and allows the foot to roll more easily while running.
The Torsion system works as follows: The sole with this system is divided into three parts. The forefoot, midfoot and heel. When you take a step, your foot rolls, as it were, from toe to heel. This causes a lot of pressure on the foot, which can lead to injuries, especially in marathon runners.
adidas ZX6000 Torsion System
The Torsion technology provides a bridge between the forefoot and the rear foot. By supporting the midfoot, the foot rolls off more easily when running. On the bottom of the sole, you can often see a kind of 'bridge' that connects the front of the sneaker with the back. This connection is made of TPU-materials."
Supports your idea of having a consistent Design Philosophy!
The Brooks Hyperion Tempo is a low stack shoe with no plate/rods which gives excellent ground feel. As you say, this means you have to work harder which is actually what is desirable in a training shoe.
Wow… that’s an old one. It made a splash years ago now. It’s also a bit different as it’s more rockered but still a fast little shoe. I’ll be covering the Hyperion 2 update later this year.
The normal Brooks Hyperion compares to the Adios 8 much better. That is a fast little shoe for sure.
I love the Adios 8, to date i have done 282.7 miles with it. As you state in your review[occassional use]. I also use it twice or once a month. Longest i have ran in the shoe when it was newer[1st week] is 25km. Now i do 11km max runs, 12km if am pushing it.
I did the same for months, my longest run in it was 22k in the first month or two I had it...after that I mostly used it for easy 10-15k runs, occasional workouts and track workouts. I cannot wait for the A9!
Got 175mi on them, and use it anywhere from 5k-15k races and my go to daily trainer when my legs are fresh
They are perfect for that. I love thrm for easy runs with fresh legs and feet. They are perfect for that.
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I thought I had really heavy feet, but the plastic rods do make a slappy sound when you land on the midfoot.
They make the worst sound possible on little stones and sand. 🤣
Good morning Chris! These Sunday morning videos are a great way to start my day. Fueling up now for a longer long run in my Boston 12s once it warms up a little.
I’m happy to hear this. I picked this time because it’s convenient for me (it’s 9pm local time here) and convenient for my community (8am EST morning and early afternoon EU). Best of all worlds.
@@SagasuRunningor Pacific Coast folks that have young children 😂
@@elliotendures At some point this year I’ll also be on PST for a while. Publishing when in Seattle was a bit of a pain. So I’ll need to figure something out.
Puma Liberate Nitro 2 sits right between Adios 8 and Streakfly. Firmer, surprisingly fast. But used as you describe, as a runner who isn't into the big cushion, rare breed of shoes. Looking forward to Adios 9! 👍
If we see a Puma Liberate Nitro 3 this year I'll cover it. I'm currently working on my first Puma video and getting up to speed with the tech stack. More to come.
Yes, bring on the Adios 9!
Great review and observations. I'm excited about the Adios 9. My last Aduos were the 5 and my Takumi Sen 7s use the previous version of the torsion system. They were fine, but I can understand where extending them into the forefoot could cause issues. Of course, the earlier versions I cited didn't have Lightstrike pro.
Those Boost Adios models were something special. As were the older Takumi Sens.
Lovely review!
Thank you. 🤙🏻
I have to agree - truly a phenomenal shoe. I only wish there would be more color options. I feel adidas is neglecting that model quite a bit. I can't wait to run #1 in V9 later this summer.
Here in Asia I see it getting included in most colorways. The Ekiden color pack was the only recent one not included. Lots of options available here.
@@SagasuRunning Nice. We have 4 at the moment (maybe the orange one that was popping up this week is coming soon).
Still way less than other models like AP3, B12 or the adizero SL with 10+ CW in the last couple months.
@@BernhardPlainer-fq5hv That orange one and the new sakura pink one popped up there last week.
I have 260km on the adios 8 and looking back it is mostly hill reps, track 200s and 400s, and threshold workouts. I got them in July 2023.
What seems to have happened is that I reached for the adios 8 in preference to the Takumi Sen 8 - which has the same mileage but I have had it since Feb 2023.
The think I don’t like is the torsion rod thing that is exposed to the outsole - which the TS 7 and A7 also had. It slides on gravel bits. I liked the Nike Streak 6/7 that had the shank inside the midsole better - although grave bits used to get stuck in the voids in the midsole in the Streak so nothing is perfect.
Also whatever phylon was that Nike used in the Streak 6/7 was better than Lightstrike 2.0. But I rather like Lightstrike Pro better than the old phylon and LSP is more resilient in a durability sense than phylon was. It does not break down much over a lot of mileage.
On the one hand the LS rear kind of gives a proprioceptic dull thud for the badly placed footstrike, but on the other maybe it should just be LSP the whole shoe.
A lower stacked all LSP shoe with a shank should be really nice.
On the aside about the StreakFly, I could not really get into it. It was really, really light but it tended to a “bottoming out” feeling for me of squish and then pavement, which neither the Streak nor the Streak LT had.
Ya… the exposed midfoot shank makes horrible noises on gravel. That has been an Adidas hallmark for a while, but the A8 is especially bad.
I picked so much rock out of Streaks, both the voids AND hex forefoot pattern.
Nike Phylon was a great. It was basic EVA with some fancy manufacturing techniques… but it was a better EVA than LS2.0 for sure. It did last forever too… as well as staying very consistent over the life of the shoe.
The A8 really does let you know when your foot strike is not solid. Part of the slapping sound I mentioned I that it’s even more extreme after 160km for me.
The SF was WAY softer than the Streaks and I knew many Streaks fans who had the same issue with the SF. Only a few of us embraced the SF… the rest stuck with their Streaks. I know one guy back in NYC who still has a stockpile of Streak 7s, at least 4-5 pairs new in the boxes. Even a few Streak LTs. He just won’t give them up.
Phylon in the streak had a “ping” sensation - especially when really pushing - where Lightstrike has a dull “thud”.
@brianreiter5572 I remember. LS2.0 really is very “thuddy”.
I actually have a pair of Streak 7s with me in Taiwan. I was considering doing a video on them at some point. They were in my very first Streakfly video … but was conceding a full video on them sometime in 2024.
as a adios 7 owner, i hope adios 8 is softer, more forgiving than adios 8.....my adios 7 has about 600km on them...i love them so much(after the break-in period)...still used them for tempo, interval, race pace 5k, 10k and HM training.....the foam started to bottoming out in 530km, but the shoe still feel comfortable for me(maybe because im a lighter build runner(my weight is around 64kg and height is around 1.77m)).
The A8 is a far better shoe than the A7, both in fit and feel. You’ll especially like the pure LSP forefoot. It’s a massive upgrade.
Hi, can I ask how is the upper on your 7 after 600km?
@@dhwlswk5376 i have a lil bit of a tear section on my upper.. these shoes tears extremely easy fr
@@dhwlswk5376 the upper tear apart sadly at the midfoot section
I feel and hear the same slappy feeling and sound on the Boston 12 shoes too
The B12 isn’t as loud to be due to the absence of the plate under the shoe like the A8 has. Additionally, the EVA you are actually running on in the B12 is a little quieter. But Adidas Adizero shoes aren’t the most quiet.
For myself I already have waaaay too many tempo shoes, so many that I start to do use them for my slow runs (80% are slow runs for me).
You could take a look at the Li-Ning Feidian lineup... I really really love them, especially the Feidian Elite is a dream.
The only real plus I see with the Adios is its price, its super affordable.
Actually, when I see my km charts for all my shoes (around 30pairs), the most time I spend in the Peg36, with around 800km. And it was anything but max cushioned. Yet I only have good memories of it. But then, the adios 8 als daily trainer for easy effort? Difficult I think. But such videos remind me, that I should not run always in max cushion shoes.
I’ve not looked at anything from Li-Ning. Unsurprisingly the Chinese brands are rare here in Taiwan. They are around but kind of under the radar and it’s nearly impossible to tell what’s real vs fake. So I don’t bother.
Way back “in the day” the Peg35/36 was my “cushioned shoe”. It was the shoe I put on when I wanted a cushioned run. Otherwise I ran in Streaks from Nike. I saved the 4% and ZoomFly for the important runs, workouts and races back then.
A chinese friend her parents work for Li-Ning, so I get an unlimited supply of Li-Nings, if I wanted to with a great discount.. Otherwise only the offical aliexpress store comes to mind who sells the originals. Sadly the brand is kinda overpriced to be realistic 200-290bucks for shoes that nobody even knows here in the EU is something.
I still have my ZoomFly3 in an usable condition. It was my time where I began to run so I gonna keep the peg36, turbo2 and fly3 forever ☺
@@Chungdol Well that makes sense then. The prices are outlandish.
That era of Nike running also has a spot for me. It was iconic for sure!
In todays shoe world seeing someone els running in an adios is like seeing someone running in newtons. Rare. On that note almost to 200 in my adios 8.
Is it THAT bad! 😂
I think Adios should take the place of the track shoe in the Adizero lineup, a place in the past was taken by the Takumi Sen/Ren (the old one with boost in the forefoot). I’ve not tried the TS10, seems to be more rigid than the 9 or the 8, but still I don’t catch it the real role in the line…
Adidas has a large Adizero track line… but the A8 is a good hybrid shoe. I have enough or on the track, though the outsole is more road focused.
The Takumi Ren/Sen were always 100% road shoes and nearly completely paralleled the Boston/Adios for the Japanese market, though they were even more stripped down and lightweight.
The new Takumi Sen, 8-10, has little to do with the older legacy models in the range. The TS10 does seem stiff, due to the EnergyRod 2.0 carbon system… but I think they should make the shoe better. I will eventually get a pair whenever they release here.
Thank you very much for the detailed video..u explained it very nicely..
I need ur recommendation, i m looking for my 2nd pair of shoe - basically for Tempo run and Training workout,
I have wide toe area
I m confused among
Adizero SL2 / ADIOS 8 / TAKUMI SEN 10
i heard somewhere Takumi sen has narrow toebox.
What is ur suggestion?
The TS10 is VERY narrow, compared to the A8. Different type of fit and if you have a wide foot I wouldn't recoomend.
The SL2 is a daily trainer. Much more cushioned than the A8, and a similar fit as far as width (maybe a little narrorwer).
Addias will be releasing the Adios 9 later this year. That may be a shoe to wait for. Should have a more natural feel than the A8, but it is unclear on how the fit will be.
I'm glad this video was useful. Thank you for watching. 🤙🏻
Oh wow...u just replied and that to immediately...that's amazing... @SagasuRunning thank u very much...
Very much appreciated
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Thanks for the video! got mine for 70USD equivalent in local currency, will be my Peg 40 replacement or substituting my Magic Speed 2s
Great price and great show to pair with the MS3. Enjoy them!
@@SagasuRunning are the adios 8 alright for a 15km tempo run? I’m 62kg and 173cm tall
@@justalarvitar3411 I’ve done many of those runs in this shoe… and I weight more than you. No problems.
Can you believe V8 has not been released in Brazil at all? I found that out when I went looking for a pair for my speed sessions. Anyway, I ended up getting a super cheap shoe designed and manufactured by FILA in Brazil, called "Kenya Racer 5". The foam feels like EVA from two decades ago, but it weighs a meager 170g in my size. Besides, it costs 60 USD at full retail price, so it's working wonders for short and fast runs, specially with the Kinvara 14 tagged at 180 USD, Streakflies at 150 (with a discount), the NB Rebel V3, and the Takumi Sen 10 at a whopping 300 USD! Yes, you read that right!
I googled the FILA Kenya Race 5…. It looks a lot like the Hoka Cielo Road. It looks like not a bad little racing flat, old school, but that is a flat.
Odd that the A8 was never released there. We may get things late here in Taiwan, but usually everything shows up at some point. Also those prices for Adidas!
And it gets weirder,@@SagasuRunning, because V7 is still available and Adidas' lineup in the country features most choices, so I don't see why this specific model is unavaiable.
Anyway, as for the prices, just to sort it out, that happens to other brands too. I don't really know the exact figures but I'm sure a lot has to do with import taxes, because mammoths such as Nike and Adidas only make a few of their models locally. This, in turn, leads to an absurd premium on imported goods (for the sake of illustration, this happens to iPhones, vehicles, autoparts, watches, you name it), sometimes reaching 100%. Then, when these things eventually get a 40% discount, they'll be listed at the actually fair price they should've been from the very start.
I know this doesn't concern you directly, or most of your audience, but since you incorporate a product design/market approach to your content, I thought you could find this interesting to know.
For instance, I always read about how Puma Velocity Nitro 2 delivers a better experience compared to Pegs and other daily trainers for a fairer price tag (I even got one at a discount). Well, maybe they are, but hot here necessarily.
Here's a few price tags to illustrate the point. How these could potentially affect your and other people's rotation choices? (these are not discounted, when they're discounted, they tend to be have very, very similar prices).
Puma VN 2 = 180 USD
Nike Pegs 40 = 200 USD
Asics Novablast 4 = 200 USD
Adidas Adizero SL = 180 USD
New Balance 1080V13 = 240 USD (ouch)
Saucony Ride 15 = 200 USD
HOKA Clifton 9 = 220 USD
More strikingly, the Superblast is 320 USD, and it's not surprising that I HAVE NEVER SEEN A PAIR IN PERSON, perhaps because the Adios Pro 3, for instance, is 360 USD, and the Vaporfly 3 is 400. Of course, nothing at this point can beat the Alphafly (500 USD) and the EVO 1, which is currently priced at 800 USD, lol.
Have a nice week and thanks again for the kind responses. Happy running!
Fascinating. Living in Taiwan we deal with import taxes as well, but nothing like that. I have read about the Brazilian governments import controls before… but it all seems so random from your details.
This is also another reason I rarely talk about price on the channel as it is such a local thing. Every country differs greatly and what is consisted expensive vs what IS expensive completely differs. Traveling as I do I see this often. So I’ll only mention price if it’s a big factor of the overall product.
I think in South America Adios 8 was never launched. I bought mine in Chicago. In Pro Direct Sport in sale at 72 pounds more shipping
It seems like the lightwheight Mach 5 low profile would be comparable to Adios 8, wouldn't?
On paper comparable… but on foot totally different rides and purposes. The Mach 5 is a cushioned performance trainer. It’s the type of shoe you might train in then race in something like the Adios 8. The Hoka Cielo Road is the direct Hoka analog to the Adios 8.
Mach = cushioned performance trainer
Cielo Road/Adios 8 = racing flat
Do you know if the New Balance Rebel v4, Hoka Mach 6, and a possible Pegasus Turbo 4 ( depending on the weight) are at the same category of the Adizero Adios ?
I loved my Adios 7 much more than the Adizero SL ... the Adios was more stable (even if narrower) , quicker, and with a much better toe off grip .
But I was thinking about going for a change from Adidas to try out other quick shoes from other brands.
Thanks.
None of those shoes you mentioned are in the same category as the Adios 8. The shoes you mentioned are all considered “performance trainers” and very much not racing flats. They all have much higher stack are rockered.
The Hoka Cielo Road, Asics Hyper Speed 3 and the Brooks Beast are all similar to the Adios 8. The Adios 8 is the better shoe though.
hi , i am interested to hear about your take on Mizuno line, rebellion flash 2 for super trainer and rebellion pro 2 for race
Mizuno is on my radar now, but I have no real plans to try any this year. Mostly because while Mizuno is very popular here in Taiwan, they are nearly all gold and baseball. Mizuno performance running is very rare here.
I will likely need to look for them when I’m in the US or Japan.
I have these shoes and they are quite roomy, and I got wider feet. I use them for my speedier workouts and when Im going for PBs in 5k/10k.
Roomy? They must have become wider then. I still have the 6 (yes, durable!) in the wide version and truly need it with my wider (not super wide) feet.
I got quite wide feet and i think they are roomy, well maybe I would say they are long instead. I could have sized down from my usual Adidas size.@@axlrosea675
They have become wider. The A8 uses the wider adidas last now. Same as the Adios Pro 3 and the Boston 12. The only Adidas narrow shoe left in the Adidas lineup is the Takumi Sen now.
They are a great option for wider feet. I wouldn’t call them a true wide shoe but they definitely have a generous fit.
@@SagasuRunning great, thanks. The Adios Pro 3 fits my foot well, so that's good news for me.
Is it the type like Saucony Kinvara where you have to give your foot to work more but still has some good defense and energy return? makes you work more but trains your foot better (your foot has to do the job unlike w these carbon plates, that helps).
Similar. The older Kinvaras were much more flexible than the Adios 8. Plus they did have the torsion system the A8 has… but in 2023/24 it’s about as close to a classic Kinvara feel as you’ll find.
I use the adios 7 for sprint training (warm up, drills and cool down). I love the stiffness and speed but my 7s have torn in many places behind the toes in just a couple of weeks. Do you have experience with the 7s? Is the 8 more durable or is sprinting and plyometric work just too much for the adios series?
I never ran in the 7s, but the upper on the 8 is very durable and they would be ideal for what you are doing and need them for. They are actually the shoe Noah Lyles was using for alot of that work the last 4-5months.
@@SagasuRunning Thank you!
Hello im try to tell my experience with adios 8
Before that, im a supination on right leg. Supination means underpronation, your step outwards. Take look on Your outwardsole shoe
Im feeling pain using cushion shoes in outer sole foot, near outside little finger foot because im a forefoot strike runners
In adios 8, perfect for supination. Lower stack comfortable for outward forefoot step
I've tried novablast 4, magic speed 3, deviate nitro, endorphin speed 3. All of them make my outward forefoot feels painful 😢
Adios 8 perfectly fine
I want to try nb 1080 but im traumatized using cushion shoes
I’m also a forefoot striker with mild supination. The A8 is excellent to run in. The outsole absorbs so much and the LSP in the forefoot of the shoe is superb.
I’m glad you found a shoe that works well for you. 🤙🏻
Would you recommend these as a daily trainer? I'm currently using them as my 5k race shoe but my daily trainers the Cyclone 2s need replacing. If so, what would be a good race shoe pairing? I haven't bought into plated shoes preferring low stack flexible shoes. I also trail run with Peregrine 13s.Thanks
You could do worst that these as a daily trainer. I did a lot of easy running in my pair and enjoyed them for that. If you want a daily trainer this minimal, these are your bes toption. However the Adidas SL2 is a fantastic daily option. I also prefer lower stack shoes for daily running, and the SL2 is borderline mid stack to me, but it's a great shoe with a ton of performance.
I'll have some content around a new shoe and brand to the channel later this month or ealry Nov...on a shoe that I think might be the ideal daily trainer for those who prefer lower stack and more traditional shoes with good natural foot flex. Stay tuned.
@@SagasuRunning Sounds great, looking forward to seeing that!
Looking for a shoe for tempo/threshold/speed workouts. I want one without carbon plates and preferably I want it to make sure that I train my foot and calf muscles. The Adios has been on my radar. Would these be good to fill that spot in the rotation? I have also been considering Brooks Hyperion.
These, as in the Endorphin Speed 4? Or Takumi Sen 10?
The upcoming Adios 9 could be the shoe for you and the upcoming Hyperion (the one without the plate) also seems like a valid option.
@@SagasuRunning thanks for taking your time to reply!
I mainly consider adios 8 and Hyperion. The adios 8 is also quite cheap at the moment.
So a race flat that can handle training and workouts and have some protection. My speed sessions are in the range of 10-20 km in total length.
The Adios 8 is a great option…I highly recommend it. Especially if you can get a good deal on it. It is excellent! I have multiple videos about it on this channel as well.
Will it be used for daily walking shoe? I really love the look and the weight of it and currently rocking ub 23 for daily walk. I enjoy the stability of ub23, can adios 8 do the same?
I wouldn’t recommend it for that. However, take a look the were new Adidas Supernova series. Spiritually the Supernova Rise or Supernova Stride. Both are excellent walking shoes with good stability.
@@SagasuRunning tks a lot :) will definitely check it out
@jasonmark9152 I have a review on the Supernova Rise on the channel, albeit from a running perspective.
Isn't the strung meant to have the best upper?
No. Strung, like the entire Prime X is a development platform. Strung uppers don’t make good racer speed uppers.
Eventually I think we will see a mesh upper, similar to what is on the Evo 1, reinforced by strung fibers in strategic locations. But we will unlikely see a full strung upper on any serious shoe.
@@SagasuRunning this is very interesting considering the price of the Strung and how much they push it
Again… it’s an innovation product that grabs headlines. They push it for the PR hit to show how innovative the brand can be.
I preferred the puma liberate nitro over this!!
If they update it to the Liberate Nitro 3 in 2024… I’ll definitely cover it. I’m intrigued… but Nitro foam isn’t Lightstrike Pro…
@@SagasuRunning for shorter distance to work out the legs I think puma liberate nitro is good... For daily training I use better shoes.
I could not enjoy the original puma liberate. I bottomed out and also chewed up my heel - which is rare for any shoe.
will it be a good idea if i use this shoe in my 5km competition?
They will be ideal for that. Especially if you are looking for a non-plated race flat.
@@SagasuRunning tysm, 😊🙏 I'll get one then.
Just for more context…. The Addias Adios WAS the Adidas race shoe before the super shoe era. It was also the most dominant race flat as well from pretty much everything from the 5k to the marathon. It’s a very good race shoe if you are looking for a modern race flat.
@@SagasuRunning I was so worried to which one to get, now I'm 💯% crystal clear , all credit goes to you... Thankyou Sir..❤️
Hi can I take it for my gym cardio ?
You can but there are better options for that. Even from Addias.
Can i use it as race day shoe ?
Yes, that’s what it is. This was a race shoe pre-super shoe. Some still race in these “racing flats”.
So its the lowest priced race day shoe 😅
It would be, yes. The Hoka Cielo Road would be the only other real competition here. There are other racing flats for the road out there but they are all intended for shorter distances. You could race any road race in the Adios… it just depends on how trained you are and how fast you recover.
It would be, yes. The Hoka Cielo Road would be the only other real competition here. There are other racing flats for the road out there but they are all intended for shorter distances. You could race any road race in the Adios… it just depends on how trained you are and how fast you recover.
I'm literally binge watching all your ADIOS videos right now. I love ur OCD ❤️
adios 9 :0
yeah I don't like the rods
No rods in the A9…
@@SagasuRunning which is why I'm excited
@placeholder3863 as am I… cannot wait.