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Logic Pro... this one is a headscratcher to me. SO useful as a pre-production tool. But Man I don't know why Apple doesn't implement plugin searches. Literally, if I could just search the plugin folder LOGIC would be SO MUCH FASTER. I'm like banging my head against the desk and getting thrown out of any kind of flow I would normally have in any other DAW... But hey they can't all be perfect right? ... But come one apple. that's such a weird feature to leave out. Drum Editing was cool though.
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Just my 2 cents, never normalize when bouncing, it´s kinda f'd up. The search thing sucks, but there´s a tool by plugsearch that solves the issue. Also, there are track groups aside from stacks/folders. You can make a custom plugins organisation and custom favorite folder which is quite helpful too. Also, one thing that a lot of people miss is that they think Aux returns can't be moved to wherever you want, you can, you just need to right click it and create track, that way the Aux shows in the editor and mixer, and you can move it around and also automate it. Automation is where i think Logic kills any other DAW I've used, it´s just super fast and friendly in that sense. Aside from the obvious tons of content, loops, presets and sounds. Cool video.
“Who the heck makes gulfoss” Bro as someone who’s been using logic for 10+ years this summed up my biggest problem with this DAW lmao. I can’t remember who makes half these plug-ins 😂. Otherwise, as primarily a songwriter and producer I feel that this program is ideal for me and I absolutely love it. Sometimes I mix in ProTools but I find that a lot of the same tools between the two DAWs are just more intuitive in logic. That could just be bias from experience but as I get more interested and serious about mixing and engineering I have found logic to be more and more powerful and not hinder me at all. Anyways I am really happy I discovered your channel and I love your inspiring content man keep it up
Haha. That was a real moment.
Yes. 🙄🙄 exactly the same here. That was actually funny LOL. Freking apple developers. They must have too good of a memory. 🤣
I mix in Logic full time. It's quite frustrating you can't search for plugins. Thank God there is a plugin called PlugSearch by Speaker Food! It's like $20 and has been a massive time saver.
I've never used anything else but Logic, so this was the video I was looking forward to. I think your complaints are valid and would never argue with you on them. There are ways around the plugin search thing, but those require a third-party tool like PlugSearch or taking the time one afternoon to set up your own folder structure inside Logic's Plug-in Manager. Also, I didn't see you do it, but did you use the "Ping" feature in the IO plugin? That automagically sets the latency compensation for you.
Since all my mixing muscle memory is Logic-centric, I get frustrated AF when I try to use other DAWs (like Pro Tools). So watching you get frustrated with Logic was a pretty accurate mirror image of how I feel when I use Pro Tools. :) I personally have no desire to change DAWs because I don't want to have to relearn a bunch of stuff. But Apple isn't messing around with the pricing structure of Logic like Avid is with Pro Tools, at least not yet, so the $199 I paid them 5 (maybe 6?) is all I've ever paid. Of course, they're getting their cut when I have to remain in the Apple hardware realm to use Logic in the first place, so there's that...
That’s a really good point. Money wasn’t a consideration here. Since I have perpetual licenses for both. However I should have take that into account.
I did use ping! It worked great
Hi there, being a heavy Logic user I can tell you that over time you stop using the Audio Unit folder to search for plugins. In the same way, you organize your studio to have everything on hand, you should organize your DAW in the same way. Logic hse the Plugin manager that allows you to create sub-folders and categories so you can quickly find the plugins you need. Also creating a library of pre-saved channel strips can speed up the process. Saved channel strips can be organized in folders too so you can easily and quickly access them via the settings button that is on every channel or the library.
That’s fair. Thanks for the input!
@@RecordingStudioLoser You're welcome.
can't believe they don't natively have a search function. I search in Reaper all the time so I don't have to go through each individual plug or manufacturer
They don't. but there's a guy who has made a third party piece of code that allows you to do it. So you can actually have it but it will cost around 15 dollars i think.
@@MediaManProductions what’s the link
They don’t have a search function, but you can move the plugins into the different groups ( Amps, EQ, Dynamics, etc.) from the plugin preferences and that makes it much faster.
PlugSearch by Speakerfood lets you type in the plugins in Logic. But since Plugin Manager lets you arrange them however you want, it isn't as critical.
if you have a Mac keyboard you can use ALTERNATIVE + E so you can create a shortcut to the plot-in you use most!
An oddball one to try would be Reason. It's one of the last DAWs to add 3rd party plugin support and its workflow emulates an analog studio with racks and such. In past versions, you had to manually patch virtual cables as well.
I remember our minds being blown in early versions when you flipped the rack around to patch something… the cables would shake like you just whipped the thing around in real life.
I like the video, and I realize no one sits down at a new DAW and knows the ins and outs so this isn’t to be critical, but a few things. 1. Double clicking a plugin parameter will set it back to the default usually. 2. Double clicking the send level will set it to unity. 3. Drum editing in logic isn’t its strongest point, but you weren’t in flex mode to where you can do more with the editing features, like fixing bad hit points, fixing a hit being pulled to the wrong beat, etc. 4. Yea the plugin typing thing is annoying, however you can arrange you plugin menu to where you can organize your plugins into folders like “compression” and then just have all your go to compressors in that folder at the top of the menu. This helps speed up your workflow a lot, but yea, I agree typing would be way easier.
Logic... has Apple money backing it.... I mean... its great for my work flow.. And I dig it!
There’s a tool called plugsearch which gives you the logic search functionality. The same company also do a tool called gain control which gives you clip gain with keyboard shortcuts. Game changer.
sorry i have no idea what was said in the video, the hair THE HAAAAAAAAAir 😂 😂 niiiiice cut dude
I have used some many different daws over the last 20 years and logic was one of the one I also never enjoyed using for mixing. I have been using Luna for the last month or so be use I already been a big UAD guy and had an Apollo. Luna is super fun to mix in and it does a few things that are just awesome. I think it still missing some stuff like hardware inserts and the fact that you have to use UA interface but maybe that will change in the future since they are starting to release native plug-ins.
Logic is all I’ve used for mixing and mastering for 5-6 years. What about logic did you not like? Is it the workflow?
@@noahreineke9569It was mainly the audio editing workflow and how routing worked. I learned mostly on analog gear when I was young at the beginning of the DAWs becoming the standard in studios and Logic was more of a midi editor before it ever did audio.
curious to see what you think on FL studio...
There's a feature in groups called 'quantize' that, from my understanding time alines your tracks to fix phase. Although the name is misleading. You can also right click a track in arrangement view to set it as a 'groove track', and then check mark which other tracks you want to quantize to the 'groove track's timing.
...new Logic x is just fantastic, after trying cubase 12 and st1, still logic is my no1 choice, its rock solid rarely crashes and it has so many features...there is a third party plugin ,,plug search,, for logic, and it works just like pro tools and there is a logic x colorizer you can customize the theme with colors...regards
PlugSearch by Speakerfood adds the plug-in search function.
+1
I saw that. But it’s still not native. I understand it’s possible. But man. Frustrating
@@RecordingStudioLoser 100% agree
As an avid Logic user, I am 💯 behind the displeasure of not being able to quick search your plug-ins. Honestly, I enjoy recording and creating in Logic....but I prefer to mix in ProTools (mostly because all my mixing classes in school were only done in ProTools) but I have mixed in Logic and it's not bad 🤷♂️
you can make your own custom Folder with your go to Plugins inside and put that Folder first in your List. Boom 💥
Oh that would definitely help
Also templates are essential. And it’s pretty good about finding plugins based on type, but it is absolutely mouse centric.
Glad You finally tried Logic.
I REALLY hope you can try out LUNA. I’ve been using it since it came out and I love it. Not sure if there’s a good way for you to still use your Burls with it though. You’re kind of locked into their A/D for the most part. Keep up the videos! We are enjoying them!
I've tried several DAW, I compose my songs on Ableton but I've just tried Pro Tools for the first time.
I have to admit that this software is the best for mixing projetcs by far.
I Started with Cubase and now I gest use Studio One, is very cool for me.
@6:17 Even though cutting some low frequencies might help in not overloading any hardware compressors, this will not do anything about aliasing. That's what the (analog) anti-aliasing filters inside your converters are for. (Depending on the implementation they might actually use a combination of digital and analog filters as well as oversampling.) The video you're referring to only applies to aliasing that occurs in the digital domain.
The hi pass was not for aliasing I int want to hit my converters that hard. They are girls. They saturate. The low pass was because I follow with saturations and compression directly after.
Ive used Logic for around 15 years now. Its good but hasn't changed much in that time. I still prefer it over ProTools for most things but theres a lot that they need to get right I think. its definitely easier than a lot of the other Daws to get up and running fast... but its not fast to use straight away. learning what things do and where they are is ironically un-logical. But, say you have a mix and there are a few notes that arent very well played in. the quick sampler saves you all the time youv'e lost looking for plugins in your editing. So thats a big plus in that sense. was nice t see my home DAW being used :)
Give this man a Luna!! Thanks for these videos.
Hey I’m having fun!
Which Bass plugin you've used to record the boomy bass section or is it recorded using a real guitar ???
everything was real, if you’re more specific, give me a timestamp I can probably give you an idea of what we did
Typing plugins: Yes it's a great flaw of Logic. Everybody is asking for that. Actual Logic users, not those who use it once in a while, sort plugins by genres (rev, comp, dl, etc... even with subfolders for favorites), not by manufacturer. For your master bus or whatever channel strip and bus you want you can save configurations with your usual & favorite effects already on it. Click, load, done.
Option-click to reset a value works in Logic but some 3rd party plugins don't implement that.
I tried Logic for a while. Wonderful Daw but i decided to go back to Pro Tools. What bothered me was:
1. Muting a single voice of a multi membral instrumental was a hassle. Granted, it has loads of ways of muting. Just not a simple way of muting one voice of a multi membral instrument.
2. The mixer confused me. The sequence the tracks were laid out was not how the mixer was laid out. It did not make sense to me.
I decided to not continue use it but still it's a wonderful Daw with loads of features. I can recommend it to composer/producers.
Absolutely, super powerful. One of the more fully featured daws right out of the box. It’s hard to balance feature rich, creative tools with a well laid out efficiency machine.
as someone who used logic for so long, and have used it for work that it cant really handle (audio post) and what it handle great (film score aor any music production) I feel you woudnt like logic at all. 1st as a logic user, I hate that its automation is primitive, like its 2022 its still doesnt have preview automation or some sort, it doesnt have advance automation mode. doesnt have VCA spill like protools or some version of it like Nuendo/cubase. Yes group folders arent that. large projects will be hard doing and editng in logic. next is, all the updates it gets seems to be geared towards beat makers not realy much on the mixing, audio production etc.. Ayou can mix with any daw anyway, but if we are just talking about having advance things for mixing, logic aint it. Now for creating music, its one of the best, given its price, plugins and capbility.
What about Luna from UA ?
who is the artist and what is the track name?
Been having to work in logic for some different projects, and it really feels 10 years behind all other DAWs I've worked with.... I get it for pre-production and songwriting, but for anything else, not my cup of tea
I get that every DAW has its strengths and weakness, and we all prefer different things and ways of working... but 10 years behind all other daws? Are you serious? It is in some ways ahead of most if anything, and on par with other daws for vast majority of everything else.
@@Willigrow Does Logic Pro really not have a plugin search function? That alone makes it slower then pretty much every other daw.
@@jeremiahmaryland It doesn't and it is weird, I agree. As people mentioned you can install additional app to get that functionality. But, again as people mentioned already, it does have a good plugin manager. You can sort your plugins in folders however you like. So I have all my got to plugins one or two clicks away, and it is pretty fast once you set it up.
Wow. You're talking about Logic but it feels as if you were talking about Pro Tools.
Atleast you can make own folders for plugins with own names, so you font need go to the brand name folders for everything
You have great hair...... another great episode !... gonna say it.. as an audio only DAW... try Resolve ?
What?!
@@RecordingStudioLoser Try Resolve from ‘Black Magic Design’ . The Audio component is based on the Fairlight EVO, which is pretty incredible.
It’s FREE :)
Were you able to demo Logic or did you have to cough up the $199 for it, regardless? I'm a PT guy too, but a lot of my clients use Logic, so I'd like to get it, but seeing they don't have the plugin search is a no-no for me lol Cheers!
I’ve owned it for a long time. I got it with a max purchase.
Logic is fantastic for creating and flushing out songs. If someone sends me a demo with just an acoustic and a vocal I can build out a song very quickly in Logic. But if I'm just mixing I'd rather use Reaper. haha
A little off topic… but I would LOVE a video of you mixing POV (like the latest colt capperune video).
I love those kind of videos & can barley find any (especially from a competent mixer.
I’d hate to copy somebody. @ColtCapperune may not be too happy
@@RecordingStudioLoser It's not like he invented it...
Check out Daniel Duskin's channel for some awesome POV mixing on an SSL AWS with lots of outboard gear.
Fair point
I was gonna say the same thing, but I completely respect your opinion.
I just feel like I learn more. In those situations, and most of the people that make “fly on the wall” mixing video’s aren’t as competant.
Any favourites from the DAWs you’ve tried so far?
Can you try Harrison Mixbus 32C mixing?
Use the Plug - In Manager to organize your Plug-Ins.
What would that do for me?
I use the plugin manager to make folders of how I like my plugins organized. So rather than having to search for the manufacturer, I can just make a folder for all of my compressors, one for my EQs, one for my bass amp sims, one for guitar amp sims, etc.
With that said, I agree that not having a search function that’s native is a major hindrance. And it seems like such an easy thing for Apple to add into the DAW.
What about ableton live? It has unique editing features and very fast workflow but considered not really good for mixing
I plan to try it for sure. I am in and around it a ton but need to learn it.
Man, you can create your chain of plug ins and then make a preset of it. So next time you just load the preset in your track and your are ready to go.
Do cakewalk
Rubbing my hands together clicking on this one... I need to try out the opposite *EDIT: Im currently trying to shout tips at you through my monitor lol
Shout louder please
About to jump the PT ship and switch to Nuendo, it’s 50% off right now which is a STEAL
Oh wow. Yes that steal
I’m a Logic Pro X guy
Please try LUNA 🙏🙏🙏
I just got a package from UA. So…. SOON
Its been years since I really used logic. It looks like it got better. Back when i used it it had tons of windows with lots of pull down menus. Glad to see its gotten simpler. I still prefer cubase over all. And no I dont want to see Old Fart Daw "luna" its made for people living in the past. Maybe in 5 years it will be great, but right now its like using a digitized version of a 70's studio... thats not a bad thing if you make classic fart music, just not for me.
Geez you have a great head shape and hair ! Envious
That. Is. A. New. One.
Thank you?
@@RecordingStudioLoser Being good looking is over half the battle in todays world ! Im obsessed with facial aesthetics on men and women
Oh and I dabble in music production - lol
The fact that UA requires people to buy one of their interfaces to use their DAW is enough for me to not want to try Luna!
I agree. It’s almost like UA and Avid are switching their stances slowly over time. We’ve seen the industry get less locked down and UA could easily move backwards. That said they sent me an interface so I’m going to try it
@@RecordingStudioLoser that’s pretty cool. I would try a free one, too! 😁 Which interface did they send you?
Yeah, very cringe. I fly through with Logic. The only thing missing is tab to transient but even that has a good workaround.
Logic has a tab to transient function.
LOOOOOOOL "Who the heck makes Gulffoss!?" IKRight? #Freking small crap is so inferior and annoying. Being there every.effing.time.
😂When you used to looking for manufacturer it’s a weird switch
after this one... make a decision and pick one and get back to work already...
Ok dad
LoL
That's some weirdo two-dimensional thinking: the idea that by testing other DAWs he's stopped doing anything else.
What is so great about logic……I really would switch from Protools hdx for logic ….you have too much time on your hands …………..
Logic is a turd. Don't waste your time. Get Reaper and get on with it. Logic and Pro Tools are a joke compared to Reaper.
Sorry, but u decided to test two dinosaurs of DAWs trying to figure out which is best? 🤌