I just bought 4 of these packs and plan to test them against my homemade molicell paks I have. Im flying a AOS EVO 7 and love it….. thanks for all the content its exactly info I needed.
Thanks so much for posting these great videos Falcon. I think you are by far the best long range guy on the interwebs. I really value your information and advice. Im at the beginning of a 7" build myself. Im not expecting (or even pursuing) results exactly like yours but your experience is REALLY helpful. I was going to build my own Li-ion packs with 18650 cells but I think I'll buy a couple of these Auline jobs. I would not be saving all that much money building my own, and your tests are showing these to be pretty great packs. Thanks again.
I’m no expert but I’ve been flying an Auline 6S 3000 for 1.5+ years and haven’t always treated it the best (mild freestyle with a 7”) and it’s still going strong. It’s the a 30A 18650 version that’s been out for quite some time.
I’m number 199th like 👍🏽. I know this video is about batteries, but what do you have your Crossfire RX set to? Is it 50HZ locked or are you using Dynamic ?
So theoretically in 2P configuration you should have had 8000mAh, but in these tests it seemed like they were dead around 6,500mAh. I pull 8000mAh out of my DIY Molicel packs no problem. (Of course Molicel P42a are rated to 4200mAh per pack though, but still seems low here…) Nice video though, cheers man!
Did you calibrate your current meter using the same size battery and double checking the charger readings VS the OSD mAh used? I found calibration changed when flying with different size packs. I always calibrate by flying a full 6s2p pack start to finish. I get about 7500 from the 8400 of my P42A cells. Could be we just calibrate differently. I don't go for exactly correct, I try to get it to an even number just to the sake of easy math in my head while flying. I got 3670mAh out of a single pack on the bench. So 7320 mAh with a 5amp load. Maybe more like 7000 at 10 or 15 amps (per pack) when flying.
@@FalconRadFPV yea, I calibrate with mAh Used vs Charged. I generally error on the High Side to build a buffer, & also my results were probably draining below 3v… Those are likely the reasons. I actually need to build some new packs soon, years of abuse was definitely showing in the latest test flight… Li-Ion Cells are expensive in Norway though, like $10/pc… ugh.
I'm fairly sure that analog has better range than DJI. DJI looks a million times better, but that beautiful picture has it's limits. With top quality antennas analog just keeps going and going.....
Oh I do lose signal. I'm just used to it and have learned to "fly through it" so to speak. Quick tip, if you have high rates it's more likely to give a bad stick input while video is out. Lower rates makes it easier to successfully "fly blind" for a few seconds. I only do that with analog, losing video on DJI is freaking scary, just blank or frozen for seconds....
I always calibrate my OSD mAh reading by flying a full 6s2p pack start to finish. I don't go for exactly correct, I try to get it to an even number just for the sake of easy math in my head while flying. I haven't changed it in well over a year. I got 3670mAh out of a single Auline A45 pack on the bench. So with 6s2p that's 7320 mAh with a 5amp load. But ya 6500 max when it's used for flying is maybe a bit low, but again that could be a slightly low calibration on my part. NOTE: I only get 4800 mAh out of my molicel P28A packs that are rated for 5600mAh (6s2p), and 7000mAh from P42A (6s2p) packs rated for 8400mAh. There is also a 65 - 70 gram weight savings to consider as well with the Auline A45 packs. What I'm really wondering is how they will hold in the long term, lifecycle / longevity.
I guess I just do it because that's what everyone else does, ok not everyone, but lots. lol, I gotta agree with Giant Ant Cowboy, 80,000 meters per hour sounds awesome, the speedometer might be a bit confusing to read though...
Thanks for posting this test, battery is important for LR. Do you have any comment on the new iflight quad release Helion 10? Is it a gamechanger for LR as they claims?-
I don't know, the release video was cool though. It looks like a fairly regular 10" quad just with a top shell, like a lot of racing drones, toothpicks and tiny whoops use. So it carries the battery underneath. I prefer top mount myself for smooth flying. An underslung battery tends to give more of a tight racing drone flight feel. Maybe it's not as noticeable on a 10" drone though. My first thought is that it would need good damping to have nice crisp video. A 10" prop has much lower frequency vibrations than a 6" or 7" does. The lower the frequency of the vibrations the more it shows up in HD footage. That said I believe they have probably taken that into account in the design process I would think. But all you can do is damping. A 10" prop just creates much lower frequency vibrations, there is no way around that and tuning will be harder to get as good as a 7". I think the 10" thing is just pumping up more sales. It's hard to find something reasonable to fly that I can't do with one of my 7" drones. A 7" can go 10km out and back with much better vibrations to deal with, maybe you can go 15km out and back with a 10" but are you going to? Maybe once just to see if you can but you have to search for ever to find a place to do it. Most peaks around me are 4km to 7km out when flying from the valley floor. Blah, blah, anyway's it would be cool to have a 10" just because it's big and a little scary, haha.
Was about to ask the same question. Thanks for all your vids man, i am a big fan of your content. It always feels like „freedom“ to watch you going to the peaks of the mountains 🤌
I charge most of my li-ion packs at 2.5 amps. If I'm not in a hurry I'll do it at 2amps. I use a li-ion setting on my charger. If yours doesn't have one then the lipo setting should be ok.
Hi @Falconrad, I want to buy the RAD Lion but I live in Europe. CNCDrones is the only way to buy your frames ? Do you plan to expand the production also to the EU ?
I don't think the shipping is actually all that bad. A guy from Switzerland told me it was quite reasonable. That was about a year ago though. I am working on getting some frames into a store in the EU. Not sure about a time line though. Realistically, a few months.
I did order a RAD Lion to Switzerland last year, CNCdrones do ship VAT free, shipping was 43$ And swiss custom taxes were around 25$. That will depend on your country VAT and import duties Best to order two or more frame kits so that you have spare parts just in case
Have you ever tried using one LION and one LIPO of the same capacity in mA to see what would happen? Also would be good to see one of these batteries cut open to see the build quality.
A lipo of same capacity as LiIon is just heavier. The lipo feels much better in the air, because it can deliver more current and has less voltage sag. Because a lipo weighs more and your flying style on lipo usually tends to be more agressive power, the lipo will probably have like 25% less flight time.
The reason I asked is if you had both on the quad and you needed a high throttle to go up fast the Lipo should take care of that but when cruising both work as a team? comments.@@chrisbee5481
It's an interesting idea but I don't think of any real benefit. The other two comments sum it up. The voltage levels won't match well and they'll be affected differently by cold and amp draw etc...
I'm still on BF 4.2 on this RAD Li-ion build. It's been flying perfectly, I haven't touched any settings for over a year. I don't plan on changing anything soon, but both my analog and DJI 03 versions of my Falcon RPM builds are on BF 4.4.2.
I use either the rush solo or geprc maten vtx for my flights lately. The important part is the antennas, TrueRC singularity on the drone and TrueRC X2-air on your goggles, it's the best video can get without a ground station or annoying big antennas for lower frequencies.
I am getting the avata pro view combo as it is on discount for 900 usd, I already have a radiomaster boxer, should i get the chimera 7/bob 57/nazgul evoque f6 for mid to long range cinematic/freestyle
If you're new to FPV the 5" or 6" will be a better choice. A 7" you'll likely break it fairly soon unless you are a super talented flyer. Almost everyone destroys their first quad as they learn to fly.
I'm not sure. I can't find any cells that have a comparable low weight. These look like the lightest ones out there. Ya that's right. The P45B look like some of the best cells right now. Haven't seen any packs made from them yet though.
Upgrade Energy Dark Lithium Red packs are made with Molicel P45B rated at 9000mah 6s1p. Purple packs are Molicel P42A rated at 8400mah 6s1p and green packs are made with the Samsung 50T rated at 10000mah 6s1p. Best packs in the game imo. Have ran them all and would highly recommend to anyone!!
I spend an evening searching for the best cell to make a 6S2P battery pack for my Chimera 7 inch quad copter. I searched for high mAh/g and high amperage. The two below are the best I could find. I probably go with the Samsung Samsung INR21700-50S Weight 72 g Capacity 5000 mAh Capacity/Weight 69 mAh/g Discharge Rate 35 A Price 5,65 Euro Molicel INR21700-P45B Weight 70 g Capacity 4500 mAh Capacity/Weight 64 mAh/g Discharge Rate 45 A Price 7.95 Euro
I recommend going with the Molicel P45B, in my opinion it's the best 21700 cell right now. But they are both really good li-ion cells, I think it's a good choice either way. Have you read the data sheet details for both cells?
Ya TrueRC all the way. The singularity antenna is expensive but that's because it's one of the best. If you are asking for goggles then the TrueRC X2-air is great! Or if you like going the DIY route then I have a video on making your own helical antennas. They work great, that's what I always use. Here's a link to the video: ruclips.net/video/aH0cW9XJ4D4/видео.html
I think all of the Auline li-ion packs except this one were made from name brand cells like samsung 40T and a few different Sony VTC cells. I personally prefer Molicel over samsung or sony cells but lots of people have told me that they like them. At any rate these are recently new li-ion cells. We'll see how they are in the long run eventually.
I just bought 4 of these packs and plan to test them against my homemade molicell paks I have. Im flying a AOS EVO 7 and love it….. thanks for all the content its exactly info I needed.
Thanks so much for posting these great videos Falcon. I think you are by far the best long range guy on the interwebs. I really value your information and advice. Im at the beginning of a 7" build myself. Im not expecting (or even pursuing) results exactly like yours but your experience is REALLY helpful. I was going to build my own Li-ion packs with 18650 cells but I think I'll buy a couple of these Auline jobs. I would not be saving all that much money building my own, and your tests are showing these to be pretty great packs. Thanks again.
Thanks for the comment!
Hi, awesome footage, simply one of the best ever seen, congratulations! Cheers from Switzerland, Andy
Many thanks!
Thx, i learn almost everytime something new in your videos. Also very entertaining and beautiful landscapes
Happy to hear that!
I personally have a phobia of Auline packs but Im glad youve put the time in testing them. Would like to see a long term review if the cells hold up.
I’m no expert but I’ve been flying an Auline 6S 3000 for 1.5+ years and haven’t always treated it the best (mild freestyle with a 7”) and it’s still going strong. It’s the a 30A 18650 version that’s been out for quite some time.
Ya for sure, in the short terms they are doing alright. Time will tell how they hold out in the long term.
Coming down through the valleys so close to the rocks looks very very cool! Looks risky!
Thanks! That was the funnest part of the flight. No room for mistakes though!
I’m number 199th like 👍🏽.
I know this video is about batteries, but what do you have your Crossfire RX set to? Is it 50HZ locked or are you using Dynamic ?
Thanks! I'm using it locked at 50hz, that's best for long range, skip using dynamic if its a long range build.
Amazing flight. congrats
As always, an excellent video explaining every detail, very good and informative video!
great!!
Thank you! Cheers!
So theoretically in 2P configuration you should have had 8000mAh, but in these tests it seemed like they were dead around 6,500mAh.
I pull 8000mAh out of my DIY Molicel packs no problem. (Of course Molicel P42a are rated to 4200mAh per pack though, but still seems low here…)
Nice video though, cheers man!
Did you calibrate your current meter using the same size battery and double checking the charger readings VS the OSD mAh used? I found calibration changed when flying with different size packs. I always calibrate by flying a full 6s2p pack start to finish. I get about 7500 from the 8400 of my P42A cells. Could be we just calibrate differently. I don't go for exactly correct, I try to get it to an even number just to the sake of easy math in my head while flying. I got 3670mAh out of a single pack on the bench. So 7320 mAh with a 5amp load. Maybe more like 7000 at 10 or 15 amps (per pack) when flying.
@@FalconRadFPV yea, I calibrate with mAh Used vs Charged. I generally error on the High Side to build a buffer, & also my results were probably draining below 3v…
Those are likely the reasons. I actually need to build some new packs soon, years of abuse was definitely showing in the latest test flight… Li-Ion Cells are expensive in Norway though, like $10/pc… ugh.
Dvr from analog🔥😎
So your flying this on analog?! I didn't think it went that far on analog. I'm impressed with this set-up
I'm fairly sure that analog has better range than DJI. DJI looks a million times better, but that beautiful picture has it's limits. With top quality antennas analog just keeps going and going.....
@@FalconRadFPV I've learned using the goggles 2 with the OG AU or Vista the range is 30km from what mads tech has shown
Awesome review and flight footage! Definitely going to order a couple. 🤙🏾
Great test, I feel like you fly sometimes out of line of sight, like in some crevices. How do you manage that without losing signal?
Oh I do lose signal. I'm just used to it and have learned to "fly through it" so to speak. Quick tip, if you have high rates it's more likely to give a bad stick input while video is out. Lower rates makes it easier to successfully "fly blind" for a few seconds. I only do that with analog, losing video on DJI is freaking scary, just blank or frozen for seconds....
I always calibrate my OSD mAh reading by flying a full 6s2p pack start to finish. I don't go for exactly correct, I try to get it to an even number just for the sake of easy math in my head while flying. I haven't changed it in well over a year. I got 3670mAh out of a single Auline A45 pack on the bench. So with 6s2p that's 7320 mAh with a 5amp load. But ya 6500 max when it's used for flying is maybe a bit low, but again that could be a slightly low calibration on my part. NOTE: I only get 4800 mAh out of my molicel P28A packs that are rated for 5600mAh (6s2p), and 7000mAh from P42A (6s2p) packs rated for 8400mAh. There is also a 65 - 70 gram weight savings to consider as well with the Auline A45 packs. What I'm really wondering is how they will hold in the long term, lifecycle / longevity.
Great video, where do you buy the cells to make your own?
Thank you, at the 18650 battery store.
Why do people continue to say, "four thousand milliamp-hour" instead of "four amp-hour"? Do you drive eighty thousand meters per hour too?
Dude, 80,000 meters per hour sounds awesome! I’m definitely going to be using that unit of measurement going forward! Thanks!
I guess I just do it because that's what everyone else does, ok not everyone, but lots. lol, I gotta agree with Giant Ant Cowboy, 80,000 meters per hour sounds awesome, the speedometer might be a bit confusing to read though...
I've heard that it's because Americans have problems calculating with the meteic system. 🤪🤣
Thanks for posting this test, battery is important for LR. Do you have any comment on the new iflight quad release Helion 10? Is it a gamechanger for LR as they claims?-
I don't know, the release video was cool though. It looks like a fairly regular 10" quad just with a top shell, like a lot of racing drones, toothpicks and tiny whoops use. So it carries the battery underneath. I prefer top mount myself for smooth flying. An underslung battery tends to give more of a tight racing drone flight feel. Maybe it's not as noticeable on a 10" drone though. My first thought is that it would need good damping to have nice crisp video. A 10" prop has much lower frequency vibrations than a 6" or 7" does. The lower the frequency of the vibrations the more it shows up in HD footage. That said I believe they have probably taken that into account in the design process I would think. But all you can do is damping. A 10" prop just creates much lower frequency vibrations, there is no way around that and tuning will be harder to get as good as a 7". I think the 10" thing is just pumping up more sales. It's hard to find something reasonable to fly that I can't do with one of my 7" drones. A 7" can go 10km out and back with much better vibrations to deal with, maybe you can go 15km out and back with a 10" but are you going to? Maybe once just to see if you can but you have to search for ever to find a place to do it. Most peaks around me are 4km to 7km out when flying from the valley floor. Blah, blah, anyway's it would be cool to have a 10" just because it's big and a little scary, haha.
Was about to ask the same question. Thanks for all your vids man, i am a big fan of your content. It always feels like „freedom“ to watch you going to the peaks of the mountains 🤌
i just got two FULLSEND 4000 li ions, look almost the same. was wondering what setting do you put when charging
I charge most of my li-ion packs at 2.5 amps. If I'm not in a hurry I'll do it at 2amps. I use a li-ion setting on my charger. If yours doesn't have one then the lipo setting should be ok.
Hi @Falconrad, I want to buy the RAD Lion but I live in Europe. CNCDrones is the only way to buy your frames ? Do you plan to expand the production also to the EU ?
I don't think the shipping is actually all that bad. A guy from Switzerland told me it was quite reasonable. That was about a year ago though. I am working on getting some frames into a store in the EU. Not sure about a time line though. Realistically, a few months.
That store would help a lot because import tax for a RAD Lion would be 25 dollars and shipping is 36 dollars so 150 dollars in total @@FalconRadFPV
@@FalconRadFPVwhat EU store? Farinsframes or drone fpv racer ?
I did order a RAD Lion to Switzerland last year, CNCdrones do ship VAT free, shipping was 43$
And swiss custom taxes were around 25$. That will depend on your country VAT and import duties
Best to order two or more frame kits so that you have spare parts just in case
Have you ever tried using one LION and one LIPO of the same capacity in mA to see what would happen? Also would be good to see one of these batteries cut open to see the build quality.
I did this test before. Lipo below 3.5V will become unstable and could cut off immediately.
A lipo of same capacity as LiIon is just heavier. The lipo feels much better in the air, because it can deliver more current and has less voltage sag.
Because a lipo weighs more and your flying style on lipo usually tends to be more agressive power, the lipo will probably have like 25% less flight time.
The reason I asked is if you had both on the quad and you needed a high throttle to go up fast the Lipo should take care of that but when cruising both work as a team? comments.@@chrisbee5481
It's an interesting idea but I don't think of any real benefit. The other two comments sum it up. The voltage levels won't match well and they'll be affected differently by cold and amp draw etc...
Thank you for the information. I will not be testing it out. Cheers and great flying.@@momowong
Are you flying a released version of BF like 4.4.2 or one of the 4.5 prereleases?
I'm still on BF 4.2 on this RAD Li-ion build. It's been flying perfectly, I haven't touched any settings for over a year. I don't plan on changing anything soon, but both my analog and DJI 03 versions of my Falcon RPM builds are on BF 4.4.2.
What analog system are you using sir
I use either the rush solo or geprc maten vtx for my flights lately. The important part is the antennas, TrueRC singularity on the drone and TrueRC X2-air on your goggles, it's the best video can get without a ground station or annoying big antennas for lower frequencies.
I am getting the avata pro view combo as it is on discount for 900 usd, I already have a radiomaster boxer, should i get the chimera 7/bob 57/nazgul evoque f6 for mid to long range cinematic/freestyle
If you're new to FPV the 5" or 6" will be a better choice. A 7" you'll likely break it fairly soon unless you are a super talented flyer. Almost everyone destroys their first quad as they learn to fly.
Wooo
What cells do you think they are using?
The molicel p45b is the one to beat
I'm not sure. I can't find any cells that have a comparable low weight. These look like the lightest ones out there. Ya that's right. The P45B look like some of the best cells right now. Haven't seen any packs made from them yet though.
Upgrade Energy Dark Lithium Red packs are made with Molicel P45B rated at 9000mah 6s1p. Purple packs are Molicel P42A rated at 8400mah 6s1p and green packs are made with the Samsung 50T rated at 10000mah 6s1p. Best packs in the game imo. Have ran them all and would highly recommend to anyone!!
Was it me or is the battery is 4000mah and on the Dvr it shows 5600mah ??
I was flying with 6s2p so I had two of the 4000mAh batteries on the drone together, so it doubles the mAh available.
I spend an evening searching for the best cell to make a 6S2P battery pack for my Chimera 7 inch quad copter. I searched for high mAh/g and high amperage. The two below are the best I could find. I probably go with the Samsung
Samsung INR21700-50S
Weight 72 g
Capacity 5000 mAh
Capacity/Weight 69 mAh/g
Discharge Rate 35 A
Price 5,65 Euro
Molicel INR21700-P45B
Weight 70 g
Capacity 4500 mAh
Capacity/Weight 64 mAh/g
Discharge Rate 45 A
Price 7.95 Euro
I recommend going with the Molicel P45B, in my opinion it's the best 21700 cell right now. But they are both really good li-ion cells, I think it's a good choice either way. Have you read the data sheet details for both cells?
Hello Bro, can you suggest me best long range antenna
trueRC
Ya TrueRC all the way. The singularity antenna is expensive but that's because it's one of the best. If you are asking for goggles then the TrueRC X2-air is great! Or if you like going the DIY route then I have a video on making your own helical antennas. They work great, that's what I always use. Here's a link to the video: ruclips.net/video/aH0cW9XJ4D4/видео.html
DIY Helicals are hard to beat. Cheap, easy to make, and amazing performance! Like 3.5km (2 miles +) using a 25mW VTX!
Hello, how can I contact you for cooperation?
You can email me at falconradfpv@gmail.com
Man ive bought a bunch of those Auline batteries and they were nothing but crap. this..... this is real surprising.
I think all of the Auline li-ion packs except this one were made from name brand cells like samsung 40T and a few different Sony VTC cells. I personally prefer Molicel over samsung or sony cells but lots of people have told me that they like them. At any rate these are recently new li-ion cells. We'll see how they are in the long run eventually.
What do you mean by crap? Having my 4-5 charge and they perform very well. Could be more specific?