Honkai: Star Rail 2.5 Was Better than PENACONY?! [Gacha Mates Podcast Ep13]
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- Опубликовано: 23 сен 2024
- Gacha Mates Podcast Ep13 - Honkai: Star Rail 2.5, Penaconi and the meta
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I wouldn't say this Xianzhou Arc is better then Penacony, but it is Way way better then all of the Previous Xianzhou Main story Arc.
Nah it was better than Crapcony for sure, that whole arc was cryptic and predictable for no reason.
That writer better stick to HI3 and not touch HSR anymore, never let bro cook again.
@@jackjohnson8305 The slander was uncalled for, if you hate it, just to say you dislike it, that's it. No need to insult the writer, you're being toxic and immature for no reason.
@@jackjohnson8305 2.0 and 2.1 was peak tho
@@idontspeakjapanese6289 Work on your reading comprehension bro, i didn't insult the writer but his writing.
@@jackjohnson8305 Do you really need to insult his writing? Saying that he only belongs to Hi3rd and not allowed to do HSR is just foul.
The Aeon's lore in Simulated Universe is much much more interesting than the main quests. It's a shame that their lore will never be heard by the majority of players because it's only for people who are patient in reading multitude of texts and lore enthusiasts.
Os jogadores da hoyoverse não sabem ler kkkkk
@@Tatsumi342w Yeah the overwhelming majority, which is sad...
I think Volkin is under a major misunderstanding with the whole "it was all a dream" complaint because it's not like that was hidden from us. The entire thing about Penacony is that it IS all a dream. They didnt hide that from the start. One of the first things they told us is that people can't die in the dream. They tried to fake us out a few times to make us think "holy shit, maybe they can!" but they kept their promise. People can't die in the dream.
There are still stakes in the end though because if the heroes can't stop Sunday IN the dream, everyone there will be forever TRAPPED in the dream.
I also dont understand Smack's complaint about Xueyi's nondeath. She's been a robot from the start. Her body was always an empty shell that just houses her soul temporarily. That wasn't new information. At all. I get complaints about Jiaoqiu not dying, but the Xueyi complaint makes no sense.
On the Smack not understanding Xueyi's nondeath, they even reinforced that Xueyi is a spirit. I can't remember for the life of me when they did it but I know they did touch back on it again.
any of this guys actualy pay atention to the story they said many times and they still discuss the story for just to make a video to make money they actualy don't care and still complain about what they don't know
@@MorinoTengu I don't want to just accuse people of not paying attention or insult them without basis. That's not what I was trying to do with my comment.
It's ironic that HSR's success as a game is what's hurting the success of the story since they now have a wider audience that they need to cater to which forces them to take less risks with the story. Hoyo still runs a business at the end of the day so can't really blame them for not wanting to hurt their bottom line.
A clarified definition of Emanator:
An emanator is an individual who is given DIRECT permission from an Aeon to access a greater portion of the Aeon's path. This can be done against the individual's will as Aeons do not care if you follower their path or not, if they approve of you, you will be chosen regardless of path. Gachasmack is correct on the degree of power emanators are given, they could give you an incredibly small portion to access or give you a massive amount to pull from. The only type of emanator where this definition does NOT apply are specifically for emanators of the nihility as it is impossible for IX to gaze at anyone since they simply do not care/bother doing so. To become an emanator of the nihility, you have to be able to endure the effects of stepping into a Shadow of the Nihility (e.g. walking into IX) and survive, which results in the individual's journey of self-annihilation to be drawn out to infinity. This is nearly impossible and you'd have to already be overwhelmingly strong (around emanator level, and even then it might not be enough) to be able to endure stepping into IX's shadow.
Is Feixiao an Emanator?
Getting gazed does not mean you become an emanator, otherwise TB would be the emanator of 3 paths which clearly isn't the case. In Feixiao's case as well as all the other Arbiter-Generals, it is unclear whether they themselves as individuals are emanators or that the Lan Spirits they wield are. The Lan Spirits are manifestations of Lan, which would imply that the power that the Spirits use would be directly from Lan themself. As these spirits can be inherited and passed down from one Arbiter-General to the next, it would be more reasonable to assume that by wielding the Lan Spirits the generals gain emanator powers, while not being one directly themselves. So in essence the gaze could just be Lan giving approval, and nothing more as Feixiao already wields a Lan Spirit.
It’s said in the game that the generals are a match for the lord ravagers. Ya’ll writing these paragraphs and losing sleep over this is hilarious.
Feixiao IS an Emanator of the Hunt, as well as the other Arbiter-Generals. The six spirits they wield all possess the power level of an Emanator. It has been stated TWICE that the Generals are Emanators, first by Welt, saying they are equal to Lord Ravagers, and then by Black Swan, saying that "when Emanators clash,..." when Jing Yuan attacked Dominicus The Hamonious Choir with his Lightning Lord, indirectly stating that Jing Yuan is an Emanator. Some may say that "oh but the Generals only control the power of the Emanator" well guess what? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and looks like a duck, then it IS a duck.
@@longps9528 The reason why many people don't consider the Generals as Emanators is because of Jingyuan's poor performance against Phantylia, ultimately making the Generals really look weak compared to the Lord Ravagers.
I mean the fact he needed the aid of almost the entire crew of the Astral Express just to combat Phantylia was a bad showcase of what an emanator is.
@@ForTheViolence I never said she couldn't. As a matter of fact I'm not even discrediting Feixiao or any of the generals here, it's more a compliment that they themselves are able to stand toe-to-toe with individuals who were directly made emanators. You're taking this the wrong way, besides if they wanted to say they were emanators they could've said it outright rather than using vague terms such as "emanator power" or being comparable to emanators. I am aware of the rating pistol but we technically still have no idea what it's basing its ratings off, and there may be a hidden variable that we aren't aware of.
@@longps9528 You're only proving my point. There's a difference between wielding the power of an emanator and being made one directly. They are not the same thing. It's like Sunday, he himself isn't an emanator of the Harmony, but he overrode Dominicus thus wielding the power of one. This makes them emanator level but not true emanators.
Where Penocony falls apart is Robin, Sunday and their relationship. We don't see any of it. Telling a story about how you found a baby bird when you were kids 6 times is not a substitute for showing their relationship. Sunday says he's using The Order so Robin doesn't get hurt, but they showed me nothing that should make me believe him. It sounds like an excuse. Removing Robin from the story for multiple patches and barely showing them interact when the fight with Sunday is what it all leads to was a massive mistake. Everything with Acheron, Aventurine and the other penocony characters was good, but it all lead to a wet fart.
Yeah this is so true lol and they could have easily fixed this by putting a Robin pov with him. Also there is a theory that a lot of Robin backstory actually went to Firefly like her running away from the Family.
@@ventrue7 you need to be a little more specific because we already had a robin POV during 2.2 story and she was with Sunday
NGL the only part in the whole Penacony story that I like is the philosophical debate.
Same with Firefly lol, terribly written
i cried, but i guess as an older sibling my experiences were able to fill in those blanks, and i really believe that was fine and if anything enabled me to enjoy the story even more, i dont think everything needs to be explained or even shown, i dont think we needed a robin/sunday prequel, the bird story was not about their relationship but about their world view, i think with hoyo games in general are better consumed when looking at it from an inside perspective rather than an outside one, as in take in the story as someone in the story would and not as someone waiting to be convinced would
Xueyi not dying makes sense. Hanya even touches on Xueyi's situation. ( or it's mentioned somewhere but i know it was mentioned. ) Xueyi isn't a living being, she's a spirit inside an ingenum??? body. If the body is damaged, she can inhabit another ingenum until her body is repaired.
Obession with people dying for 'steaks' is it's own can of worms in fandomsphere's though. JUST killing people doesn't really matter. People living or dying in a story should only matter if it matters. Killing people senselessly without purpose doesn't serve a story, not even for 'steaks' you can build stakes in a bazillion possible ways, if the character dies in service of 'steaks' and nothing else than its a wasted death.
Too many of y'all grew up watching Game of Thrones to remember how storytelling is classically accomplished. MOST stories don't have to carry themselves by wasting characters in pointless deaths in effort to create some sense of hyperrealism. Most stories aren't attempting to be hyper real, they're attempting to tell a STORY. To tell a story you typically need characters, so offing them senselessly to build up stakes is pretty much counterproductive unless you built the story fundamentally upon dealing with death. Stop looking for 'realism' in every story you consume, stary approaching them as what they present themselves as. If a story has nothing to SAY about death, then there's nothing that death provides to the story... not even for 'steaks'. Again, you can build any form of stakes in countless myriad of ways.
Star Rail is a Disney movie of a game. I don't know why anybody thinks or WANTS it to be inundated with a bunch of character death. If Mihoyo's games were on a ratings system, than Genshin and Star Rail would both definitively be their 'Rated G' games (I wouldn't be shocked if ZZZ has some deaths at some point considering it's very much more PG-13). Looking for or expecting death 'steaks' in a G rated product is absolutely as weird and disconnected as them folks who grow overly attached to fictional characters. It's just a different 'weird' affliction born of shows like Game of Thrones and its ilk... but Game of Thrones and its ilk are HEAVY 'R' rated types of stories where dealing with that sort of sudden and senseless death are actively inlaid in the themes of the story. You're playing a Disney film of game right now, just ACCEPT that and look for your bloody steaks where its appropriate.
I don’t mind people coming back if it’s convincing and fits the character that brings them back. Like Jaoqiu only got saved coz of bailu being there and she is a character with revive. And he still lost his eyes, explains why his eyes are always closed even in the splash arts.
Tbf, Misha died, and Gallagher ceased to exist. They actually killed off 2 pivotal characters of the Penacony Arc.
Bro I was so pissed Jiaoqiu survived it makes no sense with Hoolays personality and *ideas* that he wouldn't eat him
I personally like Penacony more, because of the lore that came with it and the amount of discussion the community had during the story, that imo the community didn't have with the other storylines thus far and even now. Discussions about who and what makes someone an Emanator, can you really die in a dream or not, Is Firefly sam, who are the galaxy rangers, the IPC, what is "Meme", whats Sparkle/Elations goal, and many more lore bombs really started having discussion around them because of the Penacony story, and though I do like the action in the new Xianzhou arc I don't feel as though there's a lot of major lore plot points are around them. I will say though I appreciate HSR having way more cutscenes this update compared to previous ones and hope they continue doing that.
The discussions around me and my friends were more like. Why is the pacing so ass?! Why do they waste an entire chapter, just to say you can't die in a dream. Why was i staring at a still pic for what seemed like an eternity, while some of the most sleep endosing dialogue stretched into infinity. It makes Genshin dialogue fluff sound like main plot in comparison. If you liked it, good for you. But it's one of the worst story arcs I've played in a gacha game, let alone any game... 🤷
@@HonestToCritic I respect that opinion, not everything can cater to everyone👍
@@kingcopium9143 I'm glad you enjoyed the story too. If i come off as harsh, it's cuz you have to be brutal to see change. I liked the flow of the game before Penacony, I'd like them to return to that is all... 🤷
Thanks for the podcast.
Already a 6-month member and didn't realized it. 😅
appreciate it
The whole Emanator thing is a bit confusing. From my understanding, Feixiao isn't an Emanator nor are any of the Arbiter-Generals like Jing Yuan. The moment we see Lan in the story is more the same instances we had with the MC in Belobog and Penacony where the Aeon casts their gaze upon the person when they're doing something that catches their interest - whether or not this gives them some sort of power boost is something I'm unsure of.
The Marshall is the only candidate
Feixiao just has a gaze, a like button from Lan the Hunt that They agree with her line of thinking, support her determination & maybe blessing a little bit power to her weapon, Smack, like MC getting the sword from Preservation & the hat from Harmony. If that scene means getting Emanator power then is the Trailblazer MC basically Emanator of every path? There's no way
That's exactly what being an emanator is. Getting the attention of an aeon. Iirc all general in Xian Zhou are emanator of lan
@@kiirei1130IX never gazes on anyone, yet Acheron somehow became an Emanator of Nihility
you can get a glance and not be an emanator. Genius society members have been glanced, fu xuan was glanced by nous and technically the long life species where glanced by The Abundance.
@@nathaniels.3961The Nihility is an exception, as the saying goes stare into the abyss and the abyss stares back into you
@@beambreaker300 imo, the stare stands for nothing, either the story mentions it explicitly or hints are super clear with no ambiguity. For me, Emanator is not just the power, but status as well, representative of the aeon, I don't think we should just hand it to everybody that is more powerful than the average.
Silver Wolf is the one who hired Sparkle to ensure Firefly deaths go smoothly.
It was top master plan all along
Jingliu and Luocha are still in the Xianzhou because they discussed their plan to finally kill Yaoshi to the Marshal, codenamed Godslayer Protocol. As for why Ruan Mei is in the Xianzhou, she is part of the plan as to how she will be involved it has not been revealed but the speculation is she either resurrects Tazzyronth (Luocha's coffin allegedly contains parts of the Propagation) and make Yaoshi and Tazzyronth fight or resurrect Tazzyronth and merge them with Yaoshi creating another Aeon (possibly an Aeon of Creation) with Ruan Mei as the host.
Penacony 2.0 patch was REALLY good. But shit HELLA fell off for the other 3 patches for it. But as an arc, the feixiao one was WAY more interesting. Didn’t feel like a filler patch at all.
If I had to put the arcs in order from my favorite to least favorite: feixiao arc , belabog, luofu arc, topaz arc, penacony 2.0 patch, huohuo arc, and then the rest of penacony.
Killing off side characters isn’t as impactful as killing main characters. On top of that, most of them didn’t even die… and Gallagher and misha weren’t even shown dying 💀.
i also liked 2.5 more than penacony. The issue with Penacony for me was too many characters with too many agendas and subplots. The wardance event was a lot more tightly focused, you didn't have something like the charmony festival where every attendee somehow has ulterior motives or 2-3 secret agendas and there was so much shit to keep track of. I hate to say it but characters like Firefly didn't even need to exist in the narrative for Penacony because someone like Robin could already have served the same role of uncovering the death meme then dying to it. Then you have characters like Misha who should be super important yet were sidelined for 2/3 of the main story. And the less is said about the Annihilation Gang the better.
yup this is what I always say too, wayyy too many characters. what makes stories good is focusing on a set few, their background, their thoughts & feelings, their ambitions, and their growth. it was way too convoluted and an actual good story was the cost in the end.
Shhh bro, the PEAKCONY glazers won't have this! This is the Peak, apex, THEE PINNACLE story of ALL games!
@@kuvjason7236 Bro is not slandering the story nor the writer, unlike some people in the comment section who are being toxic for no reason. His criticism is on point and valid and I am pretty sure they're mature enough not to attack the dude.
I remember that trailer for Annihilation Gang was fire.
But then they almost did not even appear, like wtf.
Iirc the old story writer was replaced, hence the situation with Annihilation Gang.
Maybe Shaoji didn't have time to rewrite everything and he choose to exclude them mostly.
@@idontspeakjapanese6289Do you have an example of slandering?
No she's a half breed. Hooolay said she is the perfect Alpha bc she has both the cunning and deadly instincts making her the best of both parties. Personally I feel her life's gonna be almost immortal like Hooolay after eating the moon rage bc Hooolay was immortal bc of it.
I agree with Volk on Robin. I refuse to pull her because of that song.
@@thomasjml82 I am kinda surprised ngl that people dont like the song 😂
I hear it daily on my Spotify cause I don't have her 😂
Smack already said like 4 times that Yunli will fall off if the enemies are not hitting constantly, but that's pure skill issue, I one-cycled Choir with her on the last MoC very easily, you just have to spam her ult then get it back again with Huohuo or Tingyun's ult, literally a no-issue. Its much worse for teams like Superbreak or Acheron. If the enemy locks its toughness bar what the fuck is FF/Boothill gonna do? If the enemy just takes 3 turns back to back and the def shred from Pela expires before you get 9 stacks, Acheron is hitting for half her damage. Furthermore, there's always two sides in every endgame, what are the odds of both sides having bosses that render you dps gimmick useless, and in this case, where the only enemies in the game that dont hit are the DoT puppet and the CC explosive bug? Thats 2 out of 96 enemy creatures, literally a 2% chance. Terrible argument.
Thats right Volk 2:42 if you skip just one or two parts of Penacony 2.0-2.3 you wouldn't understand the whole of it. For me, my opinion is: Penacony is better than the Xianzhou Wardance Arc but the gap isn't that big I think Penacony just edges Xianzhou Wardance Arc a few points.
penacony wasnt a dream in the sense of other shows, the world of it was in a dream, what happened there trully happened except for when sunday took over everyone in 2.2 climax before final fight
Penacony was awesome and is easily the best story so far. Xianzhou has become so damn stale for me that I get bored just running around there. In the grand scheme of the story 2.5 was just another tournament arc with a party crasher. 2.0-2.3 tho? We had matrix references, the best new explorable area, and the best character stories in the game so far. We had firefly, aven, Acheron, Sunday, Black Swan, and sparkle! We found out an raiden mei and we saw aven’s big gamble. We had Acheron’s slash that left a permanent mark on the environment we had to repair! As far as story beats go, yanqing and JQ are the only characters who even came close to touching the level of story fulfillment we got in penacony. Fei wasn’t even a main character in 2.5, she just got some animations. That was all yunli, March, and yanqing! If you didn’t like the whole “matrix, we’ve already lost, everything flipped on its head” thing that’s okay, but that is far and away more creative than anything we’ve had yet on the xianzhou.
I loved 2.5 story wise, the characters were great and I was hooked in for the most part.
What I really disliked tho was the endboss. Although the design and music department went out of their way to create a good boss, gameplay wise, it simply was a draining, boring fight. I had to actually use two sustains, simply bc her damage and not being able to break quickly enough [I do not use break team comps] was waaaayyy over the top.
I get the whole break meta, but including that into story bosses? Leaves a bad taste in my mouth tbh. My biggest criticism with the game so far. Other than the bossfight, the patch was very enjoyable.
i feel u but to be fair, u only really need to break the hand/paw and the head, focus hard on those 2 while broken and ya gucci.
@@MiggyBunny11 True, was my strategy as well handling the fact that I don't have a definitive, distinct breaker in my kit. Yet still, it just took a bit too long and was exhausting after a while? First time in the whole game I ran 2 sustainers in story😂
@@VeyVox lmao i feel u, i also used 2 sustainers when phantylia came out, but I now have a good aventurine so he can pretty much still sustain solo
it depends on the player tbh whether u can focus for a long time or just adhd lol and the content of dialogue has a lot of life value in it especially in penacony, some of them. xianzhou is more like a typical fighting anime story that has a lot of fighting scene, does no require thought process
i think volkin didnt understand penacony story, everything wasnt a dream, idk where he is getting this from, i think skimming through made him have a false perception of what the actual story was, however i do agree with the not killing characters part, it loses suspense or any form of danger for me
Volkin I agree with you that song is so fucking annoying now
I just mute music whenever I run the robin team, it ruins the mood for the really cool bgm as well
Yeah, I really didn't want to pull for her because of the damn song, but I caved in the end because I really, really needed a good support on my account
They really should’ve added all songs and make you able to choose which one plays or just set it to random
@@beambreaker300 This too! that would be much better
30:14 Foxians and Borisin share ancestors, so they can have kids together. Where Feixiao was born Foxians are slaves for Borisin, pretty obvious how they get new foxians kid slaves.
I feel like they are overusing the same formula for small bits of shock value:
-kafka/blade/jingliu/luocha/sparkle/aventurine/gallagher/sunday/jade are bad or morally ambiguous, ohhhh nvm they are cool.
-tingyun/firefly/robin/xuey/pink fox guy are dead, ohhhh nvm they are alive.
You can pull that off once or twice, but every time? No stakes anymore.
I liked penaconys story more. You can't tell a compelling story without the slower "yapping" moments.
Setting: Belobog
Characters: Loufu
Story: Penacony
Also Smack, you should stream HI3.
Focalors dying in genshin was impactful, I don't play the game anymore, but that was a death I didn't believe Hoyo would go through with, I would love to see shit get real on the next planet we visit in HSR, then maybe we get more of a serious side of Stelle and some deep character development.
Whilst I agree that death fakeouts cheapen a story the way Hoyo has already done like 10 different times starting with Tingyun, I can't agree that death is a necessary tool for stakes and tension building in story-telling. There should be consequences yes but always going to death as a tool for this is just a bad writing crutch. That said some deaths should have happened in this recent ark (looking at ur blind ass Jiaqou). Xueyi not so much... shes already dead kinda and a true death for her and Hanya is their eventual happy endingso her "death" was inconsequential. Do note whilst I am saying not everything needs to lead to a true death in the story I am on the side of being annoyed by the fakeouts, like... this isn't HI3 with 15 different versions of Himeko denied to us as we have to live with the 8 versions they released cos they killed her in the story... every char (almost every) is unique in HSR so them dieing after serving their purpose in the story is FINE!
Marshall is an emanator. Like diamond is. General's are similar to 10 stone hearts who received powers from marshall. So emanators can actually distribute their power. Loke how jiygyuan inherited lighting lord from previous general.
Except HoYo materials explicitly (Guide to Penacony: Conscious side) say that while Marshall is above other six, all seven of them are Arbiter-General possessing spirits bestowed by Lan. Full stop.
Lan bestowed Lighting Lord to previous general and he bestowed it to Jing Yuan when he became current one. Hua has own spirit (probably strongest one) but only relation it has to others is, that all of them are from Lan.
@@TheTenzen12 oh, hi 😂
@@lionmask3630 XD
@@TheTenzen12 I would like to say another thing, clearly Marshall fu hua has the authority to decide if u are the general or not, that why he sent 2 generals to check if JY is good or not, if JY were to be an offender, fuhua would have taken his power as the general. That's why I think Fuhua is the one who decides who is gonna be the next general.
I mean fuhua was the one who let JY be the general, as to the fact if fuhua is Emanator or not, debatable, we don't know for sure but I only see fuhua as a candidate for Emanator.
And here I thought I was the only one who couldn't stand Robin because of that song, I hear she's great, but I just can't put up with a battle having that fun vibe song 😅
The problem with killing characters is that if you do too much you stop caring about the characters, if you don't kill anyone important there is no impact, but with these kind of games that have a lot of parasocial people playing, if they killed a character, all these "mains" would feel bullied, they maybe would even attack the CEO again.
I used to play HI3 a lot and I would like to correct a misconception that people have about the story. People say that HI3 killed almost everyone, but in reality they only killed bad or neutral guys and never killed main characters. I'll give them credit for Elysian Realm because they killed most of the playable characters there, but on the other hand all the main characters are alive and they always get a BS power-up in a situation where they should have died. You could argue that the story is dark enough without the main characters dying, and they are still losing something important to them, but that's a whole other topic.
iirc, werent the elysian realm characters alrady dead, and then became playable?
@@Prahalad3362Yes most of the Elysian Realm characters were already dead when Mei met them.
They did killed Himeko, and she was playable, and really important to the character development of Kiana back then.
My biggest gripe is that sparkle was a red herring to distract from the main storyline and didn't really do anything menacing. She was just trolling the whole time xD And everything else being in a dream so it didn't really happen irl
No fim ela é uma tola mascarada kkkk
FYI All Arbiter Generals are Emanators of the Hunt Path
The stories keep dragging on and on and on.... i miss belobog
True . So much yapping for nothing
Personally I enjoyed the Wardance arc story more than Penacony. I think Penacony story was less interesting for me than the things they didn't include in the main story. How Penacony was formed, the family lore, side characters etc. Penacony is truly one of the most complex places in a video game imo but not sure this translated into the main story well. I feel like it wasn't a great choice leaving a lot of things to the players to find out what is actually happening with the main story.I wish it had a more clear storytelling on its own but if we wanted to we could do side content to find out more about it. Also I need to mention 2.3 .It was such a mess.
Brooo i hope tingyun become like a evil new boss or something
Gacha game story as good as it is never going to be better than actual story written by author writing actual story.
boothill already mentioned rappa in the tournament event to luka
Wtf smack I think the whole community cared when signora was killed. We all thought she was gonna be playable.
56:00 BLUD NEEDS TO STOOOP saying this about yunli, she was doing well even in the moc that wasnt hitting her
8:49 Perfectly agree to your point Gachasmak.
I cannot force myself to be anxious if I already know nobody is gonna die😅.
Genuinely asking, what makes you anxious about fictional characters dying? I can never get past the contrived "you're trying to make me sad" so the deaths themselves feel meaningless in either direction. It's similar to tragic lore or ridiculously overpowered descriptions (which never actually play out anyway because it wouldn't make sense).
45:40 I agree with Smack. Expectation: FUA units build stacks for Feixiao. Reality: FUA units build stacks for Feixiao, Feixiao build stacks for FUA units.
my limitation is no eidolons and no signature light cones. if you go for any of that it makes every other character very weak in comparison
In Volkin I see myself if I was a streamer. I can't stand Robin as well
the 2.4-2.5 story was on the level of penacony for me, i like that it was more contained and straightforward (even though penacony’s complex narrative was also really compelling im a sucker for villains who are evil just because and motivations that can be summed up in sentences rather than paragraphs lol)
i agree that killing off jiaoqiu would make the story more impactful, but i also don’t think his survival diminished the impact at all. jiaoqiu faced some pretty devastating consequences in the loss of his vision, there’s still a weight to his sacrifice because he will never be the same again. now if they reverse his blindness i’ll be pissed but im hoping feixiao’s comment about fixing his eyes is just the setup for a follow up arc where the dissonance between jiaoqiu’s acceptance of his condition and feixiao’s rejection of it is explored. i think that could become a really compelling narrative about ableism
27:30 all generals of Luofu are Eminators of the Hunt supposedly.
1:10:25 DHIL is pretty much the only Hyper carry where RM is better then robin because of SP, all other hyper caries, DoT, follow teams are better off with Robin. If you compare the 2 RM is only better in break, so compared to Robin she is pretty much a dedicated break support right now
Edit: oh, Acheron is better with Robin too.
Volkin is right. We are back to the original story that never ended on Xianzhou Luofu. We are just locked in a mindset that Hoyo set for us pre-Penacony release.
We were waiting for Penacony and they made a filler patch that pulled us back to Belobog where we met Topaz.
yanqing’s so funny because he was able to just barely stop hoolay while also almost meeting his demise if it wasnt for feixiao. meanwhile he’s unable to beat jing yuan, blade, dan heng, jingliu and not to mention Us as the MC and kafka
Volk the whole hsr is a dream or a memory only, the reason why when you enter battle glass is breaking its because everything is just a memory. Everything already happened and we are just rewatching everything lol
To be fair, we all knew Tingyun wasn’t dead because we brought up that they took her body.
The entire mystery Aventurine was out to prove was that death doesn’t exist in a dreamscape and that something else was happening
Xeuyi’s entire lore is being undead.
Misha and Gallagher are in fact dead and game mechanics like texts were adjusted to drive home that very point.
Penacony felt like old Disney before woke culture came in to ruin it
That title is crazyyy just on sheer amount of content alone. Also the concept for penacony is amazing. Fexiao is by far better than any one character but man.. that title is cuhrazy. Volkin never reads the story so the one time he did he thought it was peak haha
Feixiao is almost certainly a half breed.
My Trauma With Penacony: I couldnt give less fucks about Aventurine backstory
Why do you think Hoyo don't kill off their characters? Cause no one wants it. They've tested it in Hi3 and they know it doesn't make money. Nobody wants to pull a dead character.
True. Why would people pull a character they know will never appear again? As someone who has E0S1 Jiaoqiu, I would've wanted a refund if they really killed him off.
@@AIA222-yu5ml Yeah, likewise. And imagine you wanted to pull a character, just as an example, Rappa, and you find out she is going to die. There is no way I would pull her.
one of the reason gacha story cant go anywhere same like non gacha game, no? I keep thinking about it. The gacha genre make the devs to holding back their own power. The writer obviously have the ability to make such story, yk... gore, violence, war, dead, disability, mental illness, etc. But, since its gacha... they know it will ruined their business. Maybe, thats why so many peoples especially CC always said "its the best story on all of gacha genre", "for a gacha game, its pretty good", or "its good, but nowhere in same place like triple A game". I would like to heard others opinion about this.
@@mmogemu02 Yeah, gacha stories are bad. But its a game. I don't care that much about the story but I wouldn't play if it was gorey and nasty. I just don't like it. So I feel like I'm a prime example of people who just aren't into that or characters dying. I'm the same with films and such too. But! Just like any film, you do not have to kill off main characters to make a good story.
The dream was a power from reality. Acheron destroying the dreamscape is a feat.
I completely feel Volkin on the boring characters standing talking thing ahah
After completing Changli's quest and seeing how much more dynamic the camera was etc, when I saw the Yunli story stuff I understood I couldn't do it anymore. The stiff characters and mostly static camera just kills it for me
Speaking of killing, agree for Hoyo not killing off any characters, it blows, especially with how many characters they keep pumping out. They end up having to shoehorn them into the story, which ends up hurting story quality
it started with hiemko sending levithan remains from the thelassian abyss to ruan mei then yukong saying they saw ruan mei at the reckage of tingyun ship so she prolly revived her
my main problem with Penacony was that all our relationships with the characters, and even the relationships between other characters felt so fake and shallow. This was especially evident with Firefly, Sunday and Robin.
This problem was caused by the sheer number of characters they tried to fit into the storyline.
volkin lore channel lets goooo
21:20 feixiao and yukong talked, it was implied that yukong asked feixiao for help to search for tingyun. Feixiao says that the ship was ruined and couldnt find anyone alive but found the traces of someone that arrived before feixiao which was ruan mei.
8:32 I don't know, Smack, if you are actually taking death of a fictional character seriously to the point of anxiety in a game where people slash through universes with katanas, YOU might need to "get a grip" 🤣. It's like being on the edge of your seat because Santa Claus might die.
It really all depends on the writing/story. Most of the time death is a cheap plot device. When it's done well, like Himeko in HI3 or the original Superman: Doomsday, it doesn't matter what happens after that moment, the good story is just good by itself.
But being like "No, if you bring my fictional character back the story won't be real to me anymore" is wild...
Yes you can get all of the free 4 stars selector in the permanent event tho Good for F2P
The event and Samatha's side story was peak. Only good thing about Penacony was the side stories and 2.1.
Exactly I would say 2.0 and 2.1 were amazing and 2.2 ruined those storylines by making it all pointless side quests 😔
They should just add more floors to MoC, PF, and Apoc Shadow. At this point they have maxed their two week rotations. If they were to add another game mode to this cycle it would take 8 weeks to see a particular game mode again. More floors, more jades would be better in my opinion than incentivizing 0 cycles, which are not even possible in PF and Apoc Shadow.
If HSR wishes to add more endgame, they will have to shrink the two week cycle rotation to one week or they will have to add more permanent endgame modes. Divergent Universe is a good example of an endgame mode that resets weekly.
Volkin! Quick! Catch the spelling mistake in he title before the annoying Smack deniers!!
lol thanks
@@VolkinYT np mate o7
the genrals use the powers of the hunt emenator because of their weapon, which are essentially the real emenators of the hunt
Almost certain Feixiao is a half breed.
seele slander aside, its nice to hear volk genuinely enjoying the game :D
One of the nicest podcast for sure
Another great episode boys!
27:30 What happens to Feixiao is her getting the gaze of an Aeon being an Emanator is a different thing
@@Elfcon No, nothing in the story suggests that a stare or gaze is enough to be an Emanator.
Emanators need aeon's permission to get access to the paths powers.
@@lionmask3630 what?
@@Elfcon I said if you get gazed upon or stared at by aeon, it does not mean you are an aeon, the aeon just found u interesting or pities you.
Emanators need aeon's permission to access the power of the path, not just the gaze
Hope this helps. 😊
"It was all a dream" is as bad or worse than "time travel" shenanigans.
😂 Look kill of anyone. But just leave the astral express crew alone. Everyone always making the Himeko is gonna die jokes make me stressed. I just like the whole found family theme too much.
dan is safe to kill now. he had his arc lol
My opinion on the no character death in hoyo and gacha in general is not done is that your fave characters will get no more interaction both in story and game wise for the rest of the lifespan of the game.
Other than flashbacks and games with post death lore reasons that they come back.
Granted npc death should be used more often in hoyo.
Yes, the Return the the Loufu is my favorite HSR arc. Penacony puts me to sleep every time i participate in it. I'm still at the Sparkle/Robin part.
Not having a skip button through penacony was worse then breaking my arm as a kid and sitting in the E.R for 6 hours.
Most overrated dog shit in gaming
Facts, story was cryptic and ambiguous for no reason, nobody even dies in these Hoyo games so all those cliffhangers with Robin and FF meant nothing.
They even brought back Tingyun lol
@@jackjohnson8305 I had people try and tell me it was one of the best rpg stories. Tbh gacha players just generally lack the gaming experience to comment on story. When creators talk about how amazing penacony was I really wonder if they still play complete 'real' games or even remember belobog and the start of HSR lmao
I hated Robin song too, but I got over it since I won the 50/50 in 30 pulls, and she brought with her a Bronya. After a while the music kinda blends in.
The goats are back 🥳🥳🥳
Now feixiao herself isn’t confirmed an emanator but all the arbitrating generals are considered equal too or close to the power of an emanator
As a Monogatari series watcher, "two characters in a dialogue fest" is no big deal 😅
Ima be honest the stories were okay but a lot of people want to see more of Jingliu and Blade. I felt like the battle between both of them was better than a lot of the other parts of the main story.
i think smack didn´t get that robin is skill point positive simply by letting every unit attack again, if you play robin with sparkle just let sparkle AA a turn if you need the skill point robin gave her a free turn anyway you can convert each support turn into a free skill point
People will not complain of someone passing irl but will complain about it in a gacha game . These kids really need to get a grip in life .
Penacony should have been 3 patches spanning 1 Robin Sunday Sparkle, 2 Acheron Aventurine Firefly, 3 Sunday Jade IPC. But no we got 2 patches and a 3rd FULL patch of just Jade. Like what???
I wouldn't call Tingyun was not a fake out death she snapped her neck whilst revealing that she was not Tingyun. Its not like we thought she was dead then next patch we find out its a fake, it was in the same cutscene thats not a fake out death imo but I'm curious what everybody else thinks.
Have not watched the vid yet but the title is a wild statement. I thought the 2.4-2.5 story was ok but just little better than the og Xienzhou
we already know linigsha full kit in new event you can make a video on that
Penacony was snooze fest. Acheron carried
Those wild anime and cartoon theories lol! it reminds me of the wild rugrats one!