Most fascia boards are non structural so that’s why city code frown on this cause they consider snow loads, wind loads. There’s only one a right way to do this and that is tie in to the actual roof so that the new rafter is sitting on the existing exterior wall. Yes a lot more work.
I would suggest you drill in lag bolts or the new 4-5in self drilling screws (strong ties) to the fascia board / leger board. I’m fixing a patio that fell about 10 inches when it was being re-roofed. I would consider adding a bean under your “ledger board”. Need an ice and water sheet to prevent leaks too.
What’s good man how are you? I’m getting a new roof soon. I have a cement back porch screen in. Can I convert it to a balcony above? What would that take ? I have to buy new plywood and rafters already so figured I might as well make it a useable space
I built a car port using this method with the hangers on interior and exterior of the fascia board in Laguna Beach "a very difficult building department". It was permitted work, I made the plans and had to submit the hangers I was going to use which were simpson and used their weight loads to show the city's engineer that it would be way stronger than it needed to be to support that garage port roof. I also needed to submit what type or roofing material to be used as well. The only issue I ran into because I did not bring an engineer to sign off on the plans is the city engineer forced me build diagonal bracing lag bolted on all the posts in all directions except on the front and middle post where the vehicle would enter from. My customer wasn't thrilled about the bracing but accepted it. After more deck experience under my belt I look back and wonder why the engineer didn't just recommend using the simpson stong-tie DTT Zmax. If I did that job today I would have pushed for that. Love these videos! edit just remembered I also had to submit a post footing design with rebar and had to hire an independent inspector to inspect my rebar prior to pouring, thanks Laguna. lol
What a nightmare and that's a difficult city. I'm surprised they didn't make you take all responsibility for future problems somehow. Thanks for sharing.
There are commonly multiple ways to meet code/structural requirements. Glad you found a method you like, even if after the fact. It’s not the city engineer’s responsibility to figure out what you like though nice that he did provide a design that works.
I am replacing my roof and when the last owner had her patio covered yhey put post's on the frount outerside and sat the connecting side on the roof with blocks but it slants down on the roof so water runs on to the house they put gutter on that side but it causes it to leak hows thd best cheeps way to fix problem and stop water running onto patio
This was my plan but for some reason I thought this was a no no to use the fascia. My fascia did fall off recently when the previous owner had something hanging off the fascia for a vine plant to grow on it and wind + rain made it too heavy and pulled off the fascia. Most videos I see keeps trying to get a ledger board onto the main house frame.
One question. What do you think about the Skylifts metal bracket systems? Thanks to your videos I was able to build 3 patio covers and a car port. Will keep on watching and will keep building. Don't stop making videos they are very helpful. This happen a year ago.
If the rafter overhang could support the load, then it could be possible, but most of the time it will need to connect to the nearest loadbearing wall.
Would like to make a she shed for the wife. Can you provide any tips on making a pretty flat roof on 10'x10' shed with a overhang for an outdoor sitting area? Thanks, great videos by the way.
I do have other videos at our website and would suggest checking out the sheds in the outdoor section and the garage videos where I've already made a variety of different roofs that can be used on sheds.
I currently have a 10X25 pergola on the front of my house. It's rotting. Don't really want to replace with aluminum and would like to have the space completely covered as you show. Would one want to cover it with the same tiles as on the rest of roof to look good or is there another material that would look just as good instead of tiles?
The fascia is not structural. It’s a mistake to use it as a structural member. At least remove the fascia and run the new rafters all the way back to the wall and sister. Best to structurally connect a new ledger to the existing framing.
Great video. I’ve always wondered about this concept- see it a lot in Southern California. I for one don’t like the connection as you mentioned. I one started building a patio cover like this at my house. Couple of days into construction I scrapped it and went with the ledger board connected to the house and ran rafters off that. Obviously that’s a stronger connection due to the connection to the vertical members. But one way to beef up this connection worth be to sister two bys onto the existing rafter tails. Reinforcing the fascia board to the newly sistered tails can make it more like a ledger. The notch with straps is a good idea. I’ve also seen it where the fascia board is removed and the new rafters are bolted alongside the rafter tails. Lots of ways to skin a cat I suppose.
Yes I'm in Southern California myself and have never been able to get a permit for doing something like this and one of the other viewers also pointed out that this might not be as good of an idea in areas where it snows.
We recently had to rip off our patio roof because it was nailed to the fascia. This is not code anymore or will get flagged when you sell. This is not secure and rain running off the house tends to pool on that roof. Please do your homework on this.
Can you draw me a plan if request it or send it to u? I got a square hip roof and want to build a rectangle addition to it. It’s like an L shape if that make sense
That does make sense. I think you could use the same concept provided here. Only tricky part would be at the 90 where the patio turns. Folks do it though. Just a matter of having the rafters die into the corner. I’d say if you live where there’s substantial weather (anywhere outside the southwest), I would NOT use this design concept.
You won't find the framing method for this in the IRC or the DCWFC, so none of this is prescriptive. Also, inventing sh-- up on the fly is not the way to build something that has the potential to pull out and fall on someone. Any engineer worth their salt can calculate out what's needed. I design roof assemblies like this a couple times a year, and without fail, the weakest link is hanging that new load onto the end of existing bird-mouthed rafters. You can talk about hanger hardware at the fascia until you're blue in the face, but it won't fix the real problem.
How to build a patio cover off an existing fascia? Don’t. The fascia is not structural. It’s a mistake to use it as a structural member. It is a multi-million dollar liability to have that much wood overhead.
Shouldn’t be built this way period. Need to come off the roof for correct slope. I have removed plenty of covers with water damage, between fascia and patio. Advice here. Get an engineer, pay for prints, and build it correctly with the proper permits.
Man, please keep making these videos. These are so good.
Comments like yours are always sincerely appreciated and I will do the best I can to keep making them as long as I can.
Thank you, been needing this info for quite sometimes. I’m so happy I found this vid
Very well detailed for the DIYer great video.
This is amazing. Great explanation a with visuals to match!
Many thanks!
Thanks for making this I'm going to use this templet on my new deck
No problem!
Great video! Exactly what I needed! Thanks!
Great to hear!
Good stuff. How about attaching roof joists to the vertical side of a house in a small one story addition.?
Most fascia boards are non structural so that’s why city code frown on this cause they consider snow loads, wind loads. There’s only one a right way to do this and that is tie in to the actual roof so that the new rafter is sitting on the existing exterior wall. Yes a lot more work.
Great Video!!!!!
I would suggest you drill in lag bolts or the new 4-5in self drilling screws (strong ties) to the fascia board / leger board. I’m fixing a patio that fell about 10 inches when it was being re-roofed. I would consider adding a bean under your “ledger board”. Need an ice and water sheet to prevent leaks too.
Great video! Very informative.
Glad it was helpful!
what abou cissoring another board to the facia board? to make it stronger
Always inspired by your videos
Glad to hear it and keep learning.
You are a legend! What a great video
Glad you enjoyed it!
Another good video!
It is great! But what about snow and the pitch?
I wouldn't use this for areas with snow at all, never ever.
What’s good man how are you? I’m getting a new roof soon. I have a cement back porch screen in. Can I convert it to a balcony above? What would that take ? I have to buy new plywood and rafters already so figured I might as well make it a useable space
You will need to contact a building designer in your area for details.
thanks for your videos ,,just a small question ,,whats the neme of desiner you are using for those patio covers?
I built a car port using this method with the hangers on interior and exterior of the fascia board in Laguna Beach "a very difficult building department". It was permitted work, I made the plans and had to submit the hangers I was going to use which were simpson and used their weight loads to show the city's engineer that it would be way stronger than it needed to be to support that garage port roof. I also needed to submit what type or roofing material to be used as well. The only issue I ran into because I did not bring an engineer to sign off on the plans is the city engineer forced me build diagonal bracing lag bolted on all the posts in all directions except on the front and middle post where the vehicle would enter from. My customer wasn't thrilled about the bracing but accepted it. After more deck experience under my belt I look back and wonder why the engineer didn't just recommend using the simpson stong-tie DTT Zmax. If I did that job today I would have pushed for that. Love these videos! edit just remembered I also had to submit a post footing design with rebar and had to hire an independent inspector to inspect my rebar prior to pouring, thanks Laguna. lol
What a nightmare and that's a difficult city. I'm surprised they didn't make you take all responsibility for future problems somehow. Thanks for sharing.
There are commonly multiple ways to meet code/structural requirements. Glad you found a method you like, even if after the fact. It’s not the city engineer’s responsibility to figure out what you like though nice that he did provide a design that works.
Do you still do this kind of work? I’m in southern wine country and want to extend an existing roof line over the front porch area.
hello,can you make a video with already had a roof?this video is a new build i guess?thank you....😊
You can use this video, just remove some of your roofing and framing to remodel and build your new roof addition.
Is it better to put it under the fascia board attached to the siding?
In most cases it will be stronger to attach to wall.
@@gregvancom thanks for the reply. If I understand you're saying under the fascia would be better
I am replacing my roof and when the last owner had her patio covered yhey put post's on the frount outerside and sat the connecting side on the roof with blocks but it slants down on the roof so water runs on to the house they put gutter on that side but it causes it to leak hows thd best cheeps way to fix problem and stop water running onto patio
This was my plan but for some reason I thought this was a no no to use the fascia. My fascia did fall off recently when the previous owner had something hanging off the fascia for a vine plant to grow on it and wind + rain made it too heavy and pulled off the fascia. Most videos I see keeps trying to get a ledger board onto the main house frame.
The fascia is not structural. It’s a mistake to use it as a structural member.
One question.
What do you think about the Skylifts metal bracket systems?
Thanks to your videos I was able to build 3 patio covers and a car port. Will keep on watching and will keep building. Don't stop making videos they are very helpful. This happen a year ago.
I've never used them, so don't know if I would be the best person to provide advice.
Screw getting permission from a city govt just build it
E X A C T L Y !!!😡
Enjoy ripping it all out when you sell your house
It would be nice but unless you are out in the country they usually catch it and then they can give you fines.
Never happens @@cranelord
Show the roof application please.. split pitch - With metal roofing ??
Why not lean to right below fascia near top plate? No chance of any water leaking and solid.
Wondering...is it possible to remove the fascia board and attach to the eaves/rafters directly?
I just had that conversation with a builder. He said I could do that but recommend they reach all the way back to the wall
If the rafter overhang could support the load, then it could be possible, but most of the time it will need to connect to the nearest loadbearing wall.
Would like to make a she shed for the wife. Can you provide any tips on making a pretty flat roof on 10'x10' shed with a overhang for an outdoor sitting area? Thanks, great videos by the way.
I do have other videos at our website and would suggest checking out the sheds in the outdoor section and the garage videos where I've already made a variety of different roofs that can be used on sheds.
@@gregvancom Thank you, 🍻
I currently have a 10X25 pergola on the front of my house. It's rotting. Don't really want to replace with aluminum and would like to have the space completely covered as you show. Would one want to cover it with the same tiles as on the rest of roof to look good or is there another material that would look just as good instead of tiles?
I like things to match, but think this will be your choice. You can always use cheaper materials if you're looking to save money.
Can the studs be attached to the facial board itself without attaching them to every other rafter ??
If you're local building department approves it.
@@gregvancom will it hold though ? Will it be sturdy ?
The fascia is not structural. It’s a mistake to use it as a structural member.
At least remove the fascia and run the new rafters all the way back to the wall and sister. Best to structurally connect a new ledger to the existing framing.
Great video. I’ve always wondered about this concept- see it a lot in Southern California. I for one don’t like the connection as you mentioned.
I one started building a patio cover like this at my house. Couple of days into construction I scrapped it and went with the ledger board connected to the house and ran rafters off that. Obviously that’s a stronger connection due to the connection to the vertical members.
But one way to beef up this connection worth be to sister two bys onto the existing rafter tails. Reinforcing the fascia board to the newly sistered tails can make it more like a ledger.
The notch with straps is a good idea. I’ve also seen it where the fascia board is removed and the new rafters are bolted alongside the rafter tails.
Lots of ways to skin a cat I suppose.
Yes I'm in Southern California myself and have never been able to get a permit for doing something like this and one of the other viewers also pointed out that this might not be as good of an idea in areas where it snows.
We recently had to rip off our patio roof because it was nailed to the fascia. This is not code anymore or will get flagged when you sell. This is not secure and rain running off the house tends to pool on that roof. Please do your homework on this.
Instead 16inch can I do 24inch?
Yes, but it might require larger lumber. For example a 2x6 might work with 16 inch on center and a 2x8 might be required for 24 inches on center.
How can you view the
second video
See if it's here. www.homebuildingandrepairs.com/patios/index.html
how to add a sunroom on top of an existing roof?
You would need to remove the existing roof decking and increase the rafters to handle the additional load.
Can you draw me a plan if request it or send it to u? I got a square hip roof and want to build a rectangle addition to it. It’s like an L shape if that make sense
I would suggest contacting a designer or contractor in your area for design services.
That does make sense. I think you could use the same concept provided here. Only tricky part would be at the 90 where the patio turns. Folks do it though. Just a matter of having the rafters die into the corner.
I’d say if you live where there’s substantial weather (anywhere outside the southwest), I would NOT use this design concept.
You won't find the framing method for this in the IRC or the DCWFC, so none of this is prescriptive. Also, inventing sh-- up on the fly is not the way to build something that has the potential to pull out and fall on someone. Any engineer worth their salt can calculate out what's needed. I design roof assemblies like this a couple times a year, and without fail, the weakest link is hanging that new load onto the end of existing bird-mouthed rafters. You can talk about hanger hardware at the fascia until you're blue in the face, but it won't fix the real problem.
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I would just build what I want. Their power is illegitimate.
How to build a patio cover off an existing fascia? Don’t.
The fascia is not structural. It’s a mistake to use it as a structural member. It is a multi-million dollar liability to have that much wood overhead.
Shouldn’t be built this way period. Need to come off the roof for correct slope. I have removed plenty of covers with water damage, between fascia and patio. Advice here. Get an engineer, pay for prints, and build it correctly with the proper permits.