If I remember correct every time he finished at Ferrari it was top 4, but Nigel had a tremendous number of car failures at Ferrari. He probably thought the lawn mower was the vehicle to be in one of the many F1 champions to be let down by Ferrari.
7 driver’s championships with 7 different drivers is the most Williams statistic ever. For all their collective talents, Williams and Head showed bad judgment in evaluating and managing drivers. The ‘Jones’ template was impossible for all the drivers who succeeded him. They developed obsessions with drivers like Frentzen and Montoya. On the other side of the coin they completely undervalued Damon Hill, and probably would have been better off building the team around Ralf or Button in the early 00s as opposed to bringing in Montoya. Who was similar to Alesi for me, spectacular and exciting, but lacking the consistency.
On the contrary, Piquet is constantly under-ranked, especially by Brits, who are to be admired for their unconditional love for Nigel Mansell. The guy was a disaster at Lotus, mediocre at Ferrari and pathetic at McLaren. He was indeed a good driver at Williams but he lost to Piquet as his teammate and could only win a championship when it was absolutely impossible to lose it (due to the huge equipment advantage he had). There is no way he should be higher in this list than Piquet, who - let's not forget - BEAT him, let alone be the 1st.
Circumstances played a lot in each drivers case so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. I would put Montoya ahead of Jacques for example, who was up against peak Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. Mansell was at peak Williams dominance with active suspension. Hill took them through the dark times of 1994 and for that I would put him at the top. It must have been extremely tough to see your team mate lose their life and have to take the team forward as a leader
@@mbbb9244 that seems like a very cynical way to look at a persons opportunity to achieve his dream under advers circumstances. I do agree that at that time, the drivers were less valued, because of the teams dominance, but that should not deminish their achievement! Thanks for reading, cheers!
@@harbushy Hill was qualifying 1.5s slower than his team mate Senna when Senna joined. It just showed how much untapped potential was in the car that Hill was unable to use. Hill should have lost his seat and they could have got Hakkinen. Williams never recovered and they wasted years on Hill that should have gone to a driver with more long term potential,. A blind monkey could have won drivers WC in the williams in those days. I was watching.
@@mbbb9244 fair enough! Difficult to say for certain. Perhaps specific moments in history would happen no matter what driver would drive that infamous Williams, and Hakkinen could have got injured if he was in Sennas or Hills place. You can say this is just a long winded excercise in speculation! Thanks for reading!
@@harbushy Being in Europe, the only way to watch the F1 on Sunday afternoons was via the BBC, and the Hill "reverence" shown by the BBC in those days got pretty annoying to a non-English (the country) person, when considering his team mate was Prost who completely dominated him in '93. (13 poles vs 2). Then Senna really showed up how much more potential was in the car, by out-qualifiying Hill by over a second for the first 3 straight races of the '94 season. Senna got more pole positions in the first 3 races of '94 than Hill did the entire previous season! Then looking at wins, Hill got the same number of wins over '95 & '96 that Villeneuve got over '96 & '97. Nope, if they're going to put Villeneuve down in 7th, they need Hill down near there too! Anyway, those were great racing days and fun to reminicse! Thanks.
Carlos Reutemann was forced to play #2 to Jones in '80, didn't have the team on his side during his '81 campaign, fought a Brabham car that was on the fringes of being illegal, drove a busted car at Caesars, and still only lost the title by 1 point having led almost the whole way until then (Bernie also just came out admitting he manipulated that championship in Piquet's favor). I think it's unfair to put an actual wingman ahead of someone who was cheated out of a championship like that
Well, yes he certainly is (due largely to fanaticism and myth with a dose of ignoring the hard facts). That said this is just a Williams list but even so he should be a little higher considering everything.
Not best, but i remember roseberg. I thought that if rosberg had been in a fast car since his debut like lewis, he would have won the championship early than in mercedes.
I once saw some articles that Mansell wasn't as good as we remember: favoured in Lotus despite not being better than Di Angelis, then went to Williams mostly beacuse despite not being better than many other young drivers, winning 1 title despite 4 years in the best car on the grid (sure, he had some bad luck, but he was making more mistakes than Prost, Piquet or Senna). And he was dominated by Prost in Ferrari so badly that he started to sabotage him. And Williams hiring him again despite Nigel leaving them in the crisis and Boutsen having decent results. But still, over 30 wins is something...
And the he went to Indy and won in his 1st season and was a whisker away from winning the 500 on debut! Mansell was as good as his record indicates…hot headed yes but that’s part of his character. Change that and you change his driving style completely. Coming back in 94 and putting it on Pole in Adelaide at 41 and pressuring Schumacher into crashing was seriously impressive.
Interesting list. Its a bit of a futile act to try and rank them and circumstance cannot be accurately measured but not a bad effort. Personally I would have Prost a bit higher and Jones and Damon a little lower but number one without a doubt, Mansell, no discussion needed. Edit : Reading the comments it seems many miss the obvious fact a definitive list will always be devisive which I presume is the point of making this video in the first place.
When you consider they've never had a repeat world champion then you realise they made some serious mistakes while at their peak. No wonder the family lost all credibility and eventually had to sell.
The biggest mistake Frank Williams and Patrick Head did was letting Adrian Newey go even though he wanted to stay. He asked for a stake of the team but they weren't willing to give it to him. Williams could have won multiple championships in the 2000's with the power of the BMW engine and Newey's designed cars. Just imagine how different the history of Formula 1 could have been if Williams and Head made Newey co-owner of the team.
Bottas and Massa should be up there, both easily better drivers than Villeneuve. Massa beat Villeneuve consistently at Sauber, quicker in quali, quicker in race.
Who is Mark Schumacher?? and Where's Carlos Reutemann??? Him is 100 times better than Ralph and Patrese, he fight for the title, don't win the championship because Williams don't like.
it's quite incredible you had to spend 30seconds of your video to explain why Senna is not on the list, otherwise I bet the angry mob of Senna white knights would flock to save their darling.
Mansell on top... he was neither a particularly good development driver, nor clever enough. To me, Williams and Mansell matched each other in terms of throwing away the ultimate success.
Autosport throwing shade at Ferrari, showing Mansell on that red lawn mower.12:15
If I remember correct every time he finished at Ferrari it was top 4, but Nigel had a tremendous number of car failures at Ferrari. He probably thought the lawn mower was the vehicle to be in one of the many F1 champions to be let down by Ferrari.
Prost: 1 season = 1 title
Piquet: 2 seasons = 1 title
Villeneuve: 3 seasons = 1 title
Hill: 4 seasons = 1 title
Jones: 4 seasons = 1 title
Rosberg: 4 seasons = 1 title
Mansell: 6 seasons = 1 title
Hill above prost at anything is a joke.
THIS is far closer to a real top 10. Brits just can't stop hyping their own kind
Prost is massively underrated by both F1 fans & pundits alike.
Rosberg?
Lol
7 driver’s championships with 7 different drivers is the most Williams statistic ever. For all their collective talents, Williams and Head showed bad judgment in evaluating and managing drivers. The ‘Jones’ template was impossible for all the drivers who succeeded him. They developed obsessions with drivers like Frentzen and Montoya. On the other side of the coin they completely undervalued Damon Hill, and probably would have been better off building the team around Ralf or Button in the early 00s as opposed to bringing in Montoya. Who was similar to Alesi for me, spectacular and exciting, but lacking the consistency.
If Maldonado isn't first then this list is wrong!
🤣
#1 could also bei Goatifi.
This is a solid list. No major complaints from me. I'm glad Piquet wasn't over-ranked cus I feel like people tend to do that.
On the contrary, Piquet is constantly under-ranked, especially by Brits, who are to be admired for their unconditional love for Nigel Mansell. The guy was a disaster at Lotus, mediocre at Ferrari and pathetic at McLaren. He was indeed a good driver at Williams but he lost to Piquet as his teammate and could only win a championship when it was absolutely impossible to lose it (due to the huge equipment advantage he had). There is no way he should be higher in this list than Piquet, who - let's not forget - BEAT him, let alone be the 1st.
If it's about the amount of time they were at the team and the success they scored, then Villeneuve places ahead of Prost.
Not the usual Autosport nonsense. Actually quite interesting. More of whoever this guy is please.
Circumstances played a lot in each drivers case so I don’t think it’s a fair comparison. I would put Montoya ahead of Jacques for example, who was up against peak Schumacher/Ferrari dominance. Mansell was at peak Williams dominance with active suspension. Hill took them through the dark times of 1994 and for that I would put him at the top. It must have been extremely tough to see your team mate lose their life and have to take the team forward as a leader
Completely agree! This should have been more of a rundown of sorts rather than a ranking! Cheers!
@@mbbb9244 that seems like a very cynical way to look at a persons opportunity to achieve his dream under advers circumstances. I do agree that at that time, the drivers were less valued, because of the teams dominance, but that should not deminish their achievement! Thanks for reading, cheers!
@@harbushy Hill was qualifying 1.5s slower than his team mate Senna when Senna joined. It just showed how much untapped potential was in the car that Hill was unable to use. Hill should have lost his seat and they could have got Hakkinen. Williams never recovered and they wasted years on Hill that should have gone to a driver with more long term potential,. A blind monkey could have won drivers WC in the williams in those days. I was watching.
@@mbbb9244 fair enough! Difficult to say for certain. Perhaps specific moments in history would happen no matter what driver would drive that infamous Williams, and Hakkinen could have got injured if he was in Sennas or Hills place.
You can say this is just a long winded excercise in speculation!
Thanks for reading!
@@harbushy Being in Europe, the only way to watch the F1 on Sunday afternoons was via the BBC, and the Hill "reverence" shown by the BBC in those days got pretty annoying to a non-English (the country) person, when considering his team mate was Prost who completely dominated him in '93. (13 poles vs 2). Then Senna really showed up how much more potential was in the car, by out-qualifiying Hill by over a second for the first 3 straight races of the '94 season. Senna got more pole positions in the first 3 races of '94 than Hill did the entire previous season!
Then looking at wins, Hill got the same number of wins over '95 & '96 that Villeneuve got over '96 & '97. Nope, if they're going to put Villeneuve down in 7th, they need Hill down near there too! Anyway, those were great racing days and fun to reminicse! Thanks.
Carlos Reutemann was forced to play #2 to Jones in '80, didn't have the team on his side during his '81 campaign, fought a Brabham car that was on the fringes of being illegal, drove a busted car at Caesars, and still only lost the title by 1 point having led almost the whole way until then (Bernie also just came out admitting he manipulated that championship in Piquet's favor). I think it's unfair to put an actual wingman ahead of someone who was cheated out of a championship like that
What did Bernie manipulate , that masseur story 🤣
Fantasy. 🎉
Carlos is better than Patrese and Ralf, much better
This list is invalid since not involving 2 Goats.
Latifi & Maldonado.
Senna started 100% of his races for Williams from pole.
And scored 0 points compared to his younger and less experienced teammate with 7.
....and won .... errrrr.... in fact ... finished... errrr... His best result in a Williams - classified 13th.
When I think of Mansell I think of Williams... when I think it Williams I think of Mansell. Red
#5.
Wow I didn’t know this team was in the top 5. They’re about as fast as a Volkswagen Beetle now.
Mark Schumacher - really? How many times you gonna call him that?
I noticed that too, who is mark schumacher? FFS say michael.
@@judgedeath3 they sound different enough that it should be clear when you speak it.
Thought he said Mike 🤷♂
Is Prost permanently underrated?
Well, yes he certainly is (due largely to fanaticism and myth with a dose of ignoring the hard facts). That said this is just a Williams list but even so he should be a little higher considering everything.
Fial thing I would say is whilst I agree with this list, Sir Frank would CERTAINLY have wanted Piers Courage in there.
It's a list of what the drivers did when they were at Williams.
What about Bottas? Guy didn't get wins off the chain but absolutely smashed in with what he had. Shame he couldn't have had the Williams of the 80s
Not best, but i remember roseberg. I thought that if rosberg had been in a fast car since his debut like lewis, he would have won the championship early than in mercedes.
You're talking about Nico. The list has his father
@@Limegreenedragon yep. im talking about nico.
Both Rosbergs are a running joke. Talking crap all the time.
The really good ones usually get the sack after winning the championship!
A real f1 fan 🎉
Where are Pastor Maldonado & Goatifi???
F1 royalty.
After Ferrari and Williams there just needs to be top 10 McLaren drivers.
I once saw some articles that Mansell wasn't as good as we remember: favoured in Lotus despite not being better than Di Angelis, then went to Williams mostly beacuse despite not being better than many other young drivers, winning 1 title despite 4 years in the best car on the grid (sure, he had some bad luck, but he was making more mistakes than Prost, Piquet or Senna). And he was dominated by Prost in Ferrari so badly that he started to sabotage him. And Williams hiring him again despite Nigel leaving them in the crisis and Boutsen having decent results. But still, over 30 wins is something...
*De Angelis
Well, it is true that the was a unique character aka not many liked him.
And the he went to Indy and won in his 1st season and was a whisker away from winning the 500 on debut!
Mansell was as good as his record indicates…hot headed yes but that’s part of his character. Change that and you change his driving style completely.
Coming back in 94 and putting it on Pole in Adelaide at 41 and pressuring Schumacher into crashing was seriously impressive.
@@reds005, impressive would have been coming back in 1941 at age 94.
I love the fact that Mansell rub people the wrong way.
Alan Prost and Nigel Mansell but my favourite is Pablo Montoya
i love lists....always stuff to discuss
How do you include Montoya but leave out Reutemann is beyond me.
Brilliant 👍
"Mark Schumacher" !?
Several times...
who do you think is better: Russell or Latifi?
Agree with the list but I don't know who markel shoemakker is
Interesting list. Its a bit of a futile act to try and rank them and circumstance cannot be accurately measured but not a bad effort. Personally I would have Prost a bit higher and Jones and Damon a little lower but number one without a doubt, Mansell, no discussion needed.
Edit : Reading the comments it seems many miss the obvious fact a definitive list will always be devisive which I presume is the point of making this video in the first place.
If Latifi isnt on 1st we riot
When you consider they've never had a repeat world champion then you realise they made some serious mistakes while at their peak. No wonder the family lost all credibility and eventually had to sell.
The biggest mistake Frank Williams and Patrick Head did was letting Adrian Newey go even though he wanted to stay. He asked for a stake of the team but they weren't willing to give it to him.
Williams could have won multiple championships in the 2000's with the power of the BMW engine and Newey's designed cars.
Just imagine how different the history of Formula 1 could have been if Williams and Head made Newey co-owner of the team.
@@Montas19 they didn't and now they're reputation has gone down the toilet 😆
@@Montas19 With Adrian Newey, Montoya and Button World Champions
How I long for drivers/characters like Jones, Rosberg, Piquet, Mansell & Montoya than the droids of today.
F1 seems so sanitised these days sadly.
Soy, piercings and tattoos.
Bottas and Massa should be up there, both easily better drivers than Villeneuve. Massa beat Villeneuve consistently at Sauber, quicker in quali, quicker in race.
WHO was Ayrton senna
Maldonado was at least number 5, come on guys...
Who is Mark Schumacher?? and Where's Carlos Reutemann??? Him is 100 times better than Ralph and Patrese, he fight for the title, don't win the championship because Williams don't like.
If this is a 2 parter istg
it's quite incredible you had to spend 30seconds of your video to explain why Senna is not on the list, otherwise I bet the angry mob of Senna white knights would flock to save their darling.
Can't forget the man, the myth............ KING LATIFI!!
Mansell on top... he was neither a particularly good development driver, nor clever enough. To me, Williams and Mansell matched each other in terms of throwing away the ultimate success.
Mansell montoya hill.the best drivers willams then willams now so sad
Prost should be number 1 on this list, quite frankly it’s biased
1 timer champions eh.
alan jones is so far out infront its not funny
Boutsen was the number 1 most boring Williams driver of all time
Brit bias towards British drivers and keep hating Schumacher? Nothing new there...