Active Sky FS Vs. MSFS Live Weather 5 more scenarios
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- Опубликовано: 26 апр 2024
- HiFi just released Beta Version 8883 of Active Sky FS. Have they fixed it or is it still inaccurate? Is the weather injection matching the METAR better? Is upper atmosphere depiction better? Find out in 5 new scenarios. well actually 6. I throw in Monterey CA at the end.
0:05 The new beta version better than in the last video?
1:48 Vance AFB Enid OK.
2:44 Tucson AZ
3:15 Sedona Arizona
4:05 Lihue, Hawaii
4:41 Papeete, Tahiti
5:13 Monterey, CA
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Bless you guys for saving us money... The evidence is overwhelming and real. OG ActiveSky supporter here as well. Sucks for AS that MS has the wall up but not sure what they expect, I guess for people who want that METAR based weather no matter what...
Edit: note my comment below as I have since purchased AS.
I knew it was a crapshoot. but... If we mess with the sliders we can get some pretty awesome presets the MSFS live weather can't seem to match, I was thinking that they were able to decipher visibility layers and cloud layers through the entire atmosphere then slowly fade each preset into each other based on multiple locations or something. but... nope. its literally just one preset above one location that isn't even accurate except for 3 times out of 13. Thanks for watching.
So I think active sky does a better job than live weather. If you like puffy clouds, then live weather is better, but as a pilot, I think active sky does a better job depicting how weather looks in real world. Plus the ability to set the weather for departure and destination makes it work buying. You can take off in snow and land in a thunderstorm. As someone who stares at clouds from a cockpit daily, I think active sky does a better job. It's not the same puffy clouds all the time
@hueginvieny7959 I agree on the representation of weather. I should add that I have since purchased Active Sky out of pure curiosity.
However, it is immersion breaking the number of times I've had it transition from SKC to OVC/BKN or OVC/BKN to SKC. Even with the transition turned up, it seems only a handful of seconds. I've gotten used to it, and I know it's a limitation of the Sim and Hifi would smooth it more if they could.
Love your videos.
Thank you.
Sucint and opportune. What you make me think is that MSFS may have improved beyond HiFi's market target.
Possibly, but we will see what they do in the future. Thanks for watching.
But you also have to include the ability to set the weather along your route. You can't do that in msfs. As someone who stares at clouds all day out a cockpit window msfs live weather just has puffy clouds but active sky does a pretty good job at replicating the cloud layers, clear air turbulence, cloud turbulence etc. I think msfs Clouds has made Simmers expect clouds that are all puffy. Also, active sky comes with a setting that cb cloud types do not depict thunderstorms. Only meters with ts will generate large thunderstorms. There is also the passive weather that keeps msfs live weather clouds but adds more atmospheric effects. No one expects active sky to be some new weather engine, but it does have its reason to be with the money. The ability to set the weather along your route makes it stand out from all other weather add ons
@@hueginvieny7959It never used to be like this though. SU7 is where it all changed.
Great comparison, thankyou.
appreciate that you took the time to comment.
I still think the 'In game live weather' + RealTurb is the superior choice. I used ActiveSky alongside a flight from Christmas Island (Kiribati) to Bora Bora in the VisionJet. The weather pop in was horrendous. It seems to load in 'Cells' rather than having a fluid streaming weather system across the South Pacific. This is even after messing with the sliders. 30 dollars wasted 😬
Yeah. It’s sad really I was hoping for something better. But especially over oceans active sky is not better than msfs. I haven’t launched it since the day I made the last video. Thanks for watching.
I have Active Sky for xplane and wasnt too impressed with it. I didnt see any drastic changes coming that would be needed for MSFS. They basically left xplane version limping. Thanks for using Oklahoma.
Yeah for all of My next X-Plane content I'm using VisualXPUtimate. Oklahoma is a storm chasers paradise, back when I was in Abilene (back in ww nam.. well 2004) we used to go up to the Wichita Mtns on bad storm forecast weekends and get some pretty good ones. This one looked nice on the Doppler and satellite because it was two distinct bands with a break in the middle and I fell that was a great test. Thanks for watching
Have you tried passive mode. So it will be MSFS weather with the air effects of AS. Probably not worth buying it for that. But if you own it already like me lol it's a good option.
I have, I was going to make a video about it but I just have too many unfinished yet promised videos. I mixed feelings on passive mode. Need to do more testing whether I notice a difference or its just because it think there should be a difference.
@NightTrainIndustries it makes a difference it keeps the unrealistic puffy clouds and adds new layers and atmospheric effects. I think people think the puffy clouds everywhere are more realistic for some reason. To me sometimes they look right but most of the time your not going to see the asobo puffy clouds outside it looks good and it's what we want now. I think active sky is great to have for 3 reasons. The ability so set weather along your route so you can take off in snow in the north and land in a thunderstorms in the south. It does a better job at depiction of turbulence in the clouds, clear air wake turbulence etc it's way better than live weather. The historic weather works great I was able to fly in storms from Sunday last night so that is a great tool. Also they have a setting so CB cloud types do no depict thunderstorms if you turn that off you will get thunderstorms from meters without a ts sigmet. I does have it's plus and minuses but I think it makes flying a little different than the same msfs live weather. For me personally I was amazed how real turbulence was on the approaches I fly daily in real life I was blown away with that.
yeah the main problem is msfs doesn't allow third party apps to inject weather due to the API being closed source. and unfortunatly microsoft/asbo will never open the API to third party apps as the code is not owned by them but provided by MeteoBlue (the company who provides weather for microsoft flight sim) and they will not allow acces.
True, but you and I can move the sliders and make convincing weather. I think that HiFi kinda phoned it in on this one with P3Desque cloud depictions. Access to the API has nothing to do with blatantly inaccurate weather. They may improve it, but I given how REX weather force is I'm skeptical. Thanks for watching.
On AVSIM forum, the discussion thread about ASFS is bizarre. There are only fanboys there who only post how good ASFS is and follow the thread only to hear praise for this addon. Anyone who comes forward with even the slightest negative criticism is quickly turned down and accused of having 'an agenda against the developer'. They also say that any RUclipsr who reviews ASFS negatively is only doing it for views. They have already reached the point where they are already discrediting evidence and comparisons that show the inaccuracy of ASFS compared to MSFS live weather. Essentially, they are praising the accuracy of ASFS purely on the presumption that the weather decipted by it is realistic.
That's AVSIM. It's old school. I'm old school too, been there since 2012 before that flightsim.com which is basically on life support. They have their favorites and HiFi is a scared cow. HiFi was really good back in the day, Active Sky 16 and Active Sky Next were so much better than the live weather FSX or P3D and were pretty much required for a realistic flight experience. REX used to provide the cloud textures and Active Sky the weather engine. I think they both got their feelings hurt when Microsoft welcomed airplane and scenery makers and the shut out the weather guys, and rightfully so. REX just went around it and made weather force which was fine for pattern work but it wasn't synoptic so it was quickly abandoned despite sales initially being good, but REX innovated and found a niche that MSFS didn't have seasons so it created Accuseason which was a hit. HiFi meanwhile I think focused on X-Plane12 but realized how small the customer pool was so with nothing else do set out to make weather for MSFS. But.. what probably happened is their old methods hit massive technical issues and this how we ended up where we are. Long story short it is nostalgia. And I got caught up in it too. I bought it despite some poor reviews just based on the HiFi Sim name. Unfortunately, it wasn't what I hoped it would be. I can honestly say it is a worse REX weather force almost 4 years later. Will HiFi pull off an upset victory, maybe, but I think unless MS opens the weather API to 3rd parties they will be left out in the cold. With MSFS REX will find its self with nothing to do now that seasons are controlled within FS2024 as well as weather.
@@NightTrainIndustries Yeah, I agree. As long as the API is closed, ASFS will never have a good weather implementation on MSFS and will forever be subject to workarounds to work, which won't guarantee its full functioning and exploit its full potential.
AVSIM is "well known" (for not saying notorious) for how their members manage criticism against their beloved devs. I would say never seek advice from AVSIM, and if you ever find an addon that the support is on AVSIM just avoid that addon entirely.
@@Hartbreak1 They are the gatekeepers of the ancient order of the flight sim. Who would you seek advice from? Reddit?
@@NightTrainIndustries sometimes from Reddit but with a pinch of salt. I actually prefer to watch RUclips videos of people actually testing the addons to have a more informed decision.
ok, this one is a fair evaluation - from what I can tell, the results weren't skewed by your depiction methods. So it comes down to personal preference. I disagree with yours except in the area of local weather - that will not change unless Asobo opens the API. One final comment tho - even at altitude TS clouds do not always have anvil tops. I would expect that MS might have more of them because they lean towards the more dramatic cinematic display - not necessarily accurate at times but still visually dramatic. So, good video but I still prefer AS for most types of flying mainly because I find it to be more accurate.
So here is my issue. If I mess with the sliders on MSFS I can get some pretty convincing weather at all levels of the atmosphere. I can add tons of cloud layers and that's what I thought this addon would do then it would slowly and smoothly transition into another weather scenario. but I'm getting depictions that don't match the METAR, The addon has no idea what to do with CAVOK, snow data is so low res it can show snow 50 miles from where it actually is. I'm getting really tired of going 8000-10000 feet up and then there are no other cloud layers it happens in a lot of these scenarios. I would be okay with the preset thing if the weather scenarios were accurate. I fly every week and see hundreds of thunderstorm complexes they mostly have anvil heads to the point there is a thick layer of clouds capping over the entire complex. Also, the satellite shows that. As a low and slow flier that doesn't really matter but as a fake tube liner captain I want good upper atmosphere weather and I'm just not getting it. To me this thing feels like early access. Maybe you guys can put a worm in HiFi's ear to see if he can incorporate the G-AIRMET cloud cover data aviationweather.gov/gfa/#clouds for upper atmosphere scene depiction.
@@NightTrainIndustries I understand your comments and agree with some - the snow is an issue but not a priority right now. The data HiFi is using is low res - it will be adjusted. I flew for over 25 years and still say not all ts have anvil tops - if MS or AS shows them it's due to their calcs not because an airport cam shows. Because of testing I always start with default settings and I generally only tweak the turb settings up and slow down the smoothing rate. frankly I only see the transitions when I am looking for them. The lack of fronts is a big thing to me but the other areas of AS more than make up for it. I've flown several scenarios where I have multi level and multi type clouds showing. I don't know enough about the technical depiction to say why some times there are many layers and some times not. To me, the diff between the released version and the current beta is huge and it will only get better. If AS currently doesn't fit into your type of flying, that's your opinion, I know quite a few people who bought it and keep trying each version because it's not quite what they want. If anyone can make it work especially under the circumstances Asobo dictates, it's Damian and HiFi. AS can only get better and as your time permits you might want to revisit later versions as they are released. I am SO GLAD you didn't jump on the cash grab bandwagon - anyone that knows HiFi knows that is a complete lie.
@@VictorGBaron HiFi has always done well. So I expect they will improve this to the point I was expecting it to be at upon release. I am a customer and purchaser of the product so I will keep an eye on it but I am done making any videos about it for now. It sounds like Damian has his work cut out on his own forums. I know it's not a cash grab because if it were it would have been released years ago. Thanks for watching.
You seem like one of the unobjective AS fanbois. Every video, like this one, that I have seen about the new AS, has all had the same results. AS is not as accurate, and compared to MSFS which is part of the simulator, and AS which you have to pay money for, it is an easy choice to make. Why pay MORE money for inferior performance? It's like buying a Ford F-150 and then buying a Ford Pinto engine to put into it. No, I don't own AS and never will, as there is literally no reason to.
@@ImpendingJoker you are entitled to you unimaginative opinion. I really like AS, you really dislike AS - so who's right? For me and many others in is a vast improvement over MS. To many, i suspect like you, you don't see it. OK, don't buy it! - your money - your choice.
There is little to say, in terms of programs or mods that improve msfs2020 unfortunately there is nothing, this sim is already beautiful in its own right, now with su15 there should also be some improvements on the weather if I'm not mistaken, spend money on this type of mod in my opinion is not worth it, perhaps it is better to invest the economic resources in third-party airplanes that really bring something more to the simulator and also be careful here because there are some nice rip-offs on those things too.
having said this nice video and so on :)
Yeah my point is that rex tried this when it MSFS was in its infancy and it never worked. I thought maybe hifi had figured it out. But it appears that was just wishful thinking. It’s not a scam or a rip-off it’s just not good. If anything it reminds me of an early access product. Thanks for the compliment.