Every Clue/Hint in Return Of The Obra Dinn
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The update video is out! Thanks to all of you amazing commenters, I was able to make a video showing even more clues! ruclips.net/video/NIgkPdQ6iHc/видео.html
Edit: So this video just reached 10 thousand views and I am genuinely amazed. There is so much I wish I had scripted and edited better had I known it would blow up to this extent. (especially that horrible intro) Regardless, thank you all for watching, and I have genuinely loved reading all of the nice comments. The Obra Dinn community is such a nice and supportive community and I’m happy to be a part of it.
Edit 2: Making this edit a year and a half after this video was uploaded... I promise if you subscribe my voice isn't still this nasally. That's all...
Fun fact: At the very start of the game, before you visit any memories, the only face that is not blurred is the Helmsman, indicating that the only hint you need for his identity is the drawing.
And the Artist is also able to be identified early, because… well someone had to make the picture.
And the only memory he ever appears in has him literally holding onto the wheel of the ship as he's being grabbed by the Kraken.
Helmsman also appears in Murder where he has a leg injury as the mutineers make their way off.
@@Bmaster1001 Agh, that's right! Good observation.
@MrAwesomeMatty Actually he's been lifted away from the helm at that point. He's reaching for it, potentially, but he could just be grasping for any part of the ship
Player: “Alright, let’s get started”
Game: THE END
Yeah this is cool and all, but I am so smart because I noticed that Emil was holding beer in one of the pictures, making him the only Irishmen on the ship.
🤣
racially profiling the crew really really helped
This is so true, literally felt racist when I figured out the Indian one 😂
And the one guy wearing the turban was of course the only Persian on the boat
Oh, you spent time with an Indian? Wouldn't that make you... INDIAN?
One of the coolest clues is for Lewis Walker - not including a Captain, he dies last, and because there wasn't anyone to put down his hammock, it's still up on gun deck - number 44.
That is pretty fucking cool, I never paid attention to that.
Because there was no hammock 60 in later chapters, I assumed that was the first killed peters brother. The hammocks had so much crazy info
@@johnnyblunders God damn it lol
@@johnnyblunders Who would have thought that hammock analysis would be so important.
Hammock/shoe analysis are basically the key to every single 3 arrow guy.
One thing that I noticed, too. The one from Sierra Lione is a very big man. If you look at the hammocks during the 2nd chapter, his hammock is riding very low
The level of detail in this game is just insanely good.
When the video says: “The steward also asks the corpse of O’Hagan if he’s still breathing. We can deduce that…” my brain finished the sentence with “We can deduce that O’Hagan is not still breathing”
We can also deduce that O'Hagan is in the other boat, as the steward's call to him sounds like he's yelling to be heard at a distance. Plus, he's close enough to just *see* that his own boat's oarsmen are done for.
The real question is to deduce whether or not he can still row!
The man who got blown up by a cannon at the same time as the gunner really tripped me up the first time. He's nowhere to be found on the scene where he supposedly died.
One big clue for the stewards is that they are all standing next to their boss in the execution scene. The ship's steward can be identified by process of elimination once you get the others.
Also, the steward assigned to the 4th Mate is clearly the youngest (hence least well-trained) of the six, as would be expected of the servant of the lowest-ranked senior officer.
This is how I got them too. I did a lot of uniform matching too.
Morgan Freeman in Shawshank Redeption really got that right;
"I mean honestly, how often do you look at a man's shoes?"
Interesting how different peoples minds work. It seems alot of people worked through by using details like shoes, pipes, swords, cabins and bunk numbers and so on. I barely went near any of that stuff; mostly just using their behaviours, associations, and apparent duties. It's a credit to the game, that so many approaches are viable.
Yes in this regard the execution scene is a goldmine, as you have everyone organized by their roles.
I've seen a guy miss the "I shot your brother" clue, then identify the first mate as "important looking guy with a Scottish accent".
And I just guessed half of them whenever I could reduce the options down to like 3
"Alright so uhh tribal tattoos... It's gotta be the guy with no last name and from the country that doesn't exactly scream prosperous to me"
"Ah this looks like a guy from england that would look like a George"
"alright so I'm not tryna be racist but he looks kinda chinese"
This is how I got every single guy on the ship, I basically decided to get every ending to see what the different results would be which resulted in about 11 hours of playtimes.
Yeah, on one of the pictures you can just see who they "hang out with" so even if you miss some people in the actual scenes, you can make groups of possible nationalities.
fun fact: you can tell who the bosun mate is from the very first time you see him, because he is wearing a french sailors outfit and he’s the only frenchman on board!
Also does all of the bosun's work... why was that guy even there?
I got him by elimination. I had accounted for every other death and disappearace in the doom except "the frenchman" so it had to be him.
This game without knowing about the hammock trick is Hard Mode
This game without taking any time to look for anything but faces is hard mode...
Yep, I didn't know about the numbered hammocks on my first playthrough. Cheesed through everything that required it.
@@bificommander Did you know about the shoes and socks of the topmen?
@@andreassmed2255 Nope. But without the hammock numbers, it's meaningless anyway.
@@andreassmed2255 I'm proud because I found about both of the tricks on my first playthrough
the only way i know to distinguish the peters brothers is to look at the hammocks in doom chapter 2. the only corresponding hammock that is still present of the two is 48, which is nathan's, while samuel's, 60, is never seen in the game.
same can be done with alexander booth (57), because his hammock is empty due to him escaping, but he's still alive, while the other empty hammocks are lars, nathan, and omid gul. omid can be ruled out easily through the sword in later memories, which only leaves alexander booth as the third escapee.
some other miscellaneous clues i can think of are:
a) the 4th mate can be seen looking out the window of his quarters in edward nichols' death scene (visible at 22:00)
b) if you go to the left of zungi in soldiers of the sea ch7 and peek into the armory, you can see both the gunner and gunner's mate there together.
c) as far as i know wei lee is the only chinese topman for whom you don't need the shoe clue for, as he's the only surviving chinese topman by the time of doom ch2 and his hammock number is the only one still present
d) i didn't know this until after i played the game, but apparently the striped kind of shirt that mr. charles miner wears was part of the french naval uniform at the time
e) another clue as to samuel gilligan's identity is in murder chapter 2, where he can be seen whispering into edward nichols' ear, signifying him as nichols' steward and accomplice.
and that's all i can think of off the top of my head. seriously tho this was a very well done video and i'm glad i stumbled across it! thank u for taking the time to make it!
stars n muffins dude i just guessed
yeah the video misses all the hammock clues in doom chapter 2
Other thing I personally noticed: if you don't see the suitcase in the surgeons office, it can also be spotted in the boat the surgeon escapes in during The Escape. As the only other male on the escape boat is wearing a stewards uniform, this identifies the surgeon.
Gilligan also has an Irish accent in the rowboats.
Samuel Gilligan is also identified in the calling since he is with his mate. Maybe not decisive evidence but it helps.
An interesting hint is Evans's box. It's the very first thing we see in the game and it's a very unique article due to its design, contents, and weight. In my playthrough, I was able to identify Henry Evans before the game thought it was possible due to the fact that you can see the very box he gives you in the boat with him.
When I noticed there were numbers on the hammocks and they corresponded with the crew manifest I felt like an absolute genius. With regards to the Peters, Nathan Peters' hammock is still hanging up later on, and you never see hammock 60, therefore the brother that died must be Samuel.
I love the fact that the hammock next to his is Lars Linde.
A Bitter Cold: Part 1 was by far the most invaluable scene in my playthrough, as I scoured it for every possible detail I could - and yet, I still had to brute force the names of the four Chinese topmen when it came time for them, because I never noticed their unique shoes. This game is so absolutely brilliant, I'm in awe
(Also, I got Henry Evans' and Jane Bird's fate by turning in the journal when the rain started. I had no idea what it would do, but I saw the signature and recognized it when getting his death notice)
13:19 This just made me realize that Henry Evans was probably using the pocket watch to figure out how his patients died.
Also you can determine the purser because he is carrying books when he is in the escape boat.
you can also see him in the pursers office at the end of the soldiers at sea chapter through the body of the man who got shot through the wall.
I had no idea that the "midshipman's scarf" was a thing. I thought the only uniforms were the stewards clothing and the fact that the officers had fancy hats.
And the Indian crew mates all share the same pants
I can only dread to think how any players not British would grasp a good few of these characters based on dialects and origins.
I've seen a guy get to escape and identify Olus' Polish accent.
The way I solved george Shirley was that he's drinking with Wei Lee in one scene and when you check the hammock numbers in a bitter cold his #56 is the only non Chinese to have the hammock there.
Bun Lan Lim was actually the second person I got. I played the game in my native language portuguese and we have gender specific words for "passenger" ('passageiro' for men and 'passageira' for women)
On the other hand, if you don't know much English, you will lose much of the clues that depend on regional accents
On the other hand, if you don't know much English, you will lose much of the clues that depend on regional accents
On the other hand, if you don't know much English, you will lose much of the clues that depend on regional accents
@@infamedepatates2502true
Same in french 🤔
To tell apart the Peters brother, notice how in the doom, the hammock with number 48 - Nathan’s, is still there, implying that he’s the surviving Peters brother, while the other one, was, as we know, killed earlier in an accident
A couple of things:
In the scene where Nichols gets shot, if you pull up the schematic of the ship, you'll see someone watching from the fourth mate's cabin window, and can mark him as the fourth mate there. You can also use that to identify Chioh Tan as the shooter, since all other members of the Formosan Royalty are dead by that point.
The carpenter and his mate can also be seen at least once both working in the carpenter workshop during the merfolk attack, with the carpenter standing in his open door, looking out to see what the commotion is.
And has been mentioned, checking on which hammocks disappear from scene to scene will give large clues as to who died or disappeared in the interim.
That's what I did for the fourth mate! I deduced it was his cabin!
I actually determined that the guy with the striped first was French because I thought it looked similar to a mime's outfit. Sure enough, that outfit has its origins in the French navy.
In The Doom part 2 there's a hammock with Nathan Peters' 48 on its tag, meaning he is the one alive to flee
2:56 i figured this out not by the ring but by age. I assumed the older one had to be married so the the title of miss belonged to the younger one.
As someone who doesn't know anything about nautical dress or uniforms, I used the gunner's mate's unusual speech pattern/accent when he's discussing the mutiny during The Escape, Part 4 to identify him.
You can identify uniforms once you have one of them figured out. People of the same rank wear the same uniform and usually stand next to each other in the sketch and many scenes.
It is kind of obvious. Stewards look like waiters, Officers wear, well, almost military uniforms, the midshipmen all wear the same fancy bougie clothes, the only tough ones are the topmen and the seamen, they seem to be allowed to wear whatever. The Indian crew members all seem to wear the same pants and shoes as well
I like how you stated the carpenter's were "carrying some wood"... IT'S A STRETCHER!
The stretcher is still a clue that they're carpenters, as another scene (forget which) has an officer order that a different dead body be delivered to the carpenters' workshop. Historically, carpenters often served as impromptu undertakers due to their coffin-making skills, and even bodies slated for burial at sea would be splinted or braced with a plank for ease of carrying and for dignity.
Technically there's one role we can find before any of the scenes. The helmsman of the ship, seen in the execution photo, holding the wheel of the ship as the execution goes off.
Great video!
Sorry if you already know this, but John (sworded by Captain's Stewart) was likely guarding the lazarette where the sirens and shells are stored.
The Captain's Stewart, Filip Dahl, was likely trying to enter the lazarette to steal what's inside and throw it overboard to stop the "curse", but had to go through John to get there, explaining the killing.
But then why would captain throw him to lazarette, after seeing him try to enter it in the first place.
@@Abdusshh +1, and by the way Filip Dalh talks while grabbing the shell and burning himself it doesn't sound like this is it
The game accepted that I thought the steward ate John... I don't know 100% I thought that now but the leg I found looked eaten to me and he was accused be being mad.
At first i thought John touched the shell with his foot and so begin burning and filip cut his leg to stop the burning. It is still inconsistent but it explains why whoever is in the death scene ask where is his leg.
@@agustinmattiazzi2165 Except the leg still has a shoe on, which would've burned up in the situation you describe.
22:31 In the bottom of the boat, you can see a knife which the Russian who's being grabbed drops. This knife will be used by Beng to kill the steward. Spotting the knife here is useful for identifying the steward's cause of death, because it's hard to see the weapon in Beng's hands as he attacks, and the steward's corpse gets all pixelated once the Memento manifests its image, obscuring your view of the knife left jutting from the neck.
The audio when the cow is butchered begins, "Take him to the carpenters."
Which is weird becuse the carpenter is on the same floor. Why do they carry the body up the stairs?
Are they keeping away from the cow slaughter because they are Indians?
Just finished it! Honestly, I used the sketch so much! You could see all that they hung out in groups like most of the topmen sit up high in the drawing, the stewards are basically dressed the same, etc.
We felt like geniuses for noticing the shoes and the numbers! :)
26:10 - The bald man playing dice in the drawing is seen drinking with a Chinese crew member, so we can assume they're friends. We can see that George Shirly's hammock is with all the Chinese crew members. The hammock is also up but empty while he is drinking with the Chinese guy, so that supports the theory, since he would have to be off duty to be drinking, and people's hammocks are only up during their off-hours. There's no hammock for Alexander Booth at that time, so I assumed he was on duty somewhere else. It's a bit circumstantial, but it worked for me.
Also the captain has the biggest hat and first mate the second biggest hat so duh.
Extra clue is that when Chioh Tan(I think that is is name) shoots Nichols you can see one of the mates in his room. Match up the room he is in with the map and you have his identity
I think this is where the fourth mate's face gets unblurred.
The way to deduce George Shirley’s identity is (I believe) in doom part 2.
In it, he’s sitting at a table with Wei Lee (who’s own hammock is right above him) with a knocked down hammock next to him, obscuring the number.
If you compare its position to the hammocks in Bitter Cold part 1, you’ll find that number can only be George’s number or one of the Chinese topmen.
Since he not a topman (thanks to him working with the other seamen in Soldiers Part 2) he must be George Shirley!
Besides that you did a great job! The only stuff I can think of is small tidbits that narrow down roles. Get ready for a unnecessarily long list!
Soldiers Part one clearly shows who all surviving topmen and seaman are and distinguishes between them (in the rigging or pulling the rope on deck)
Unholy Part 2 has all the midshipmen hanging together, the gunners together, the bosons together and (of course) the Surgeons together.
(Once again) doom part 2 has one of the Russians hammocks up and none of the others, as such, you can deduce that the topman Russian is number 45 because the other Russians are already dead.
In the real world, you can find a whistle in the Boson’s room which he wears throughout Unholy Captives, and one last hammock still hanging, Lewis Walkers. Whom you can presume to be left because NO ONE could take it down i.e everyone’s dead. So someone who died in the end must be Lewis Walker.
Whoo! That’s it! stars n muffins mentioned anything else I can think of (thank god) so that’s all the clues I noticed in Return Of The Obra Dinn!
Thank you Lucas Pope.
Funny thing about the Lews Walker Hammock thing is that Brennan also died super late but he literally never has a hammock hung up as a seaman iirc
@youtube-kit9450 he seems pretty close with the officers, so he probably asked if he could use one of the dead crews beds in the orlop deck
18:37 I’m gonna be honest, I said that he was killed by Brennan not by looking at the bullets but instead I wanted to increase Brennan’s kill count.
My hatred for Brennan is unending. The worst crewmember after Edward Nichols.
It took us longer to deduce Brennan as my husband didn't believe one of the earlier clues so we left him unidentified. Brennan was usually referred to as "that beanie bastard" for the longest time on our playthrough. 😂
@@pairot01nunzio Pascal is the worst person.
Why? Because he’s Italian
The gunners THICC german accent is also a good clue, since only two people are from a german speaking country
The other one being the bosun of course
Another clue that you missed is that in the scene where John Naples dies you hear Fillip Dhal Speak in Swedish witch is another clue assuming you got everyone else in the scene.
You can actually identify Wei Lee and George Shirley by going into Doom Pt 1 where the artist dies and looking at the table where a Chinese man and another seaman are talking. You can identify Wei Lee by looking at the tag number of the hammock above him and you can identify Shirley by knowing the position of his hammock and going back to Bitter Cold Pt 1. He’s the only Englishman that sleeps with the Chinese top men.
This is exactly how I deduced his identity
what tripped me up is the fact that Shirley actually looked like an old Asian man
Shirley is also shown in the sketch gambling with one of the Chinese Topmen, which is how I identified him(since he bunked with the Chinese topmen as well)
If you have an ear for accents, those can also all be clues.
Kind of. They aren't super consistent. On the scene where one of the Peters kills the Dane, there's this black guy who says "it wasn't his fault, I saw the whole thing" in perfect american accent, yet the character is english.
16:30 lol I concluded that these two were the carpenters solely based on the fact that the dude is throwing an axe
My favourite guesses from youtubers were:
"This guy got to the captain's quarters by jumping down the balcony - only a topman would think of climbing like that."
"This guy looks like a mime, he must be French."
You deserve more views for this. I just cleared the game and wanted to see what I'd missed. The Lewis Walker clue given in the comments just blew my mind!
Definitely deserves more views.
I just finished this game, and only now know about the hammock numbers. Please tell me I'm not the only one who missed that, making the game way harder than it should have been.
Same here. I saw the numbers on the hammocks but never put one and one together. Man, I feel stupid now :D
Damn, i feel lucky, it instantly clicked for me and it took me only 10 more minutes to find the shoes trick
Me too
Same here. I thought the challenge was nice!
If you rummage around the game's menus, it does tell you to pay attention to the crew manifest numbers, albeit not where to utilise them. The game also makes sure you don't entirely miss important details by slightly highlighting them with light dithering, which is where body parts hanging out of their hammocks are dimly lit.
Very interesting. In some cases the Game accepts different conclusions about the crew's fates. I definitely marked the other man who died simultaneously with the gunner (i guess it was Shirley) as beeing shot by a cannon too and it checked off. Also Charles Hershtik was marked as burned to death by you, but I marked him as stabbed by the beast, which was also correct. It seems like they were aware of some scenes could be interpreted differently.
You can even mark him as stabbed by the other midshipman's sword, and the company will fine his family.
Yup, you can give quite a few different causes of death as long as they're a plausible one, and Shirley has like, half a dozen different possibilities probably to make up for the fact you deadass don't see his body when he is supposed to be dying
During my playthrough i was suprised of the the ammount of things the big picture of everyone itself revealed. For example almost all topmen sat together in the back. The stewards all stood behind their respective mates. I could almost immediately decide who the gunner was simply because you can see him shoting the fire order. I found him out long before i even found his respective memory
I was waiting for a video like this to be made by anyone really! It’s really well made! A few times you mention names that are hard to identify, so I’ll show how you can figure them out: George Shirley can be identified as his hammock is found in bitter cold 1 with the Chinese top men, and in doom 2, we see him again with wei lee, and we can cross reference these scenes to put him down as #59. Booth can be figured out, as his hammock is empty during doom 2, and the 2 other black men aboard are already dead, so there hammocks would not be up. Diom can be figured by the similar hammock use, as his hammock is slumped over a lot, as he is a huge man. Finally, though I doubt anyone got this, Lewis walker can be identified after doom 6, since you have acces to the gun deck. #44 hammock is still up, so a top men must’ve survived to the very end, and in doom 7 you can see the same man who attacked the captain climbing rigging, so he must be topman Lewis walker.
I felt really proud that my boyfriend and I were able to beat this game without any hints even though we did a fair amount of brute forcing but after seeing this I realized we missed sooooo many simple things and I think we really just got good at making lucky guesses that we thought were educated. Now I dont feel so smart
Side note this is an awesome video and I can't believe it doesn't have more attention because it seriously deserves way more
Omg same my boyfriend and I had to brute force a lot at the end because neither of us noticed the details in the hammock scene.
Hammock and numbers is the real thing that I missed while playing the game , making some deducation really hard even when it was supposed to be one triangle difficulty (the answer was right under my nose...).
I understood later in the game that it was really helpful to just put some random names on character that you know for sure how they died, so that each time you've got the validation of a trio you know fo sure that all those random name placeholder were wrong,and you need to switch them (I did mainly to distinguish russians, chineses, and indians).
Clearly not the detective style, but clearly I didn't knew enough about sailors "lifestyle" to make even the most obvious deduction when it was needed.
I felt racist assuming the carpenter's mate was the carpenter
Lol same here
Played through it, did POORLY, and was really wanting to know what all I missed and how. This was exactly what I was searching for!
I relied on the sound design almost entirely in the chapter on the escape boats. They did a good job representing who was closer (the boat nearest you) vs farther away. I could not figure out who was who without it and I used that trick in a few other places, too.
Actually what's often missed in Chapter 5 Part 4 is that the place of John Naples's death is on the OPPOSITE side of the Cargo Deck: the place you found John's missing leg was near the Lazarette to the Stern of the Cargo Deck, where John Naples was tasked to bring the mermaids into; the actual scene of John Naples's death, however, was near Bosun's Storage to the bow of the Cargo Deck.
In Part 3, Chapter 5, you can see that John Naples was one of the Seaman that was tasked to bring the mermaid in the Lazarette, while in Part 2, Chapter, 5, you can see that Fillip Dahn was already running toward the opposite side of the crowd, who were walking down the bow stairs from the Gun Deck.
In Part 6, Chapter 4, you can see Fillip Dahl was one of the few witnesses that saw the mermaids and treasure box first-hand with the mermaids and corpses with 2nd Mate. Judging by Fillip's activities, we can deduce as follows:
On the night of Miss Lim's kidnapping, Fillip Dahl witnessed the slaughterhouse scene and was exposed to the shell, along with the 4th Mate. Shocked by the deaths and possibly influenced by the mind-altering magic of the shell, Fillip Dahl believed that the mermaids carried a curse, and was in dismay that the Captain determined to bring the mermaids onboard. Trying to stop the whole fiasco with limited understanding of the essence of the whole journey (apparently Captain and the Formosan Royalty were the only ones that know what they were carrying right at the beginning), Fillip Dahl ambushed John Naples when the gang was carrying the mermaid to the Lazarette. Fillip was subdued and taken near Bosun's storage for punishment, obviously, but John was also carried there for an unknown reason.
It is possible that almost none of the crew had ever realized that the shell also contains a passive curse to make its surrounding humans more prone to death in situations otherwise easily survivable under normal conditions. The fact that one stowaway and one Seaman died of falling cargo (keeping and using ropes that were prone to snap on an ocean-going ship in the early 19th century is completely unthinkable because ropes are the life of sailboats and Bosuns were specifically tasked to inspect and replace any ropes with questionable quality), two Indian Seamen died of normal cold, John died of merely losing a leg (as implied by Dr. Henry Evans: "Been in worse spots I think"), and that the Bosun died of merely losing an arm further supports the theory.
Edit: viewing the story again, I just realized that even the Captain did not know about the potential dangers of the precious cargo he was tasked to deliver until Chapter 5. Talking about how the passengers were supposed to declare any dangerous goods before boarding on any vessel...
Thank you! I thought I must have been going crazy that I was the only one who noticed Fillip running to cut off the crew carrying the mermaids.
I've also seen theory that after the mermaids were delivered that John was guarding the Lazarette door until the rest of the crew arrived with the chest, since the mermaids were proven quite lethal up to that point.
As for John's location, perhaps he tried to crawl to safety? If all Fillip wanted was to get into the Lazarette to rid the ship of the mermaids, he wouldn't have necessarily have followed John to finish the job proper.
As per the crew "dying in situations otherwise easily survivable", I'm unsure the blood loss and shock of losing an entire limb, especially in the 1800s, would really account for that? Cutting an artery is still pretty lethal even today.
Same with being fully crushed by an entire heavy slate of cargo, for that matter.
As for the two who succumb to illness, Dr. Evans described it as a heavy lung illness made worse by cold temperature, that isn't Tuberculosis.
Most likely Pnuemonia, I'd guess? Would be pretty fatal in 1802, I'd think. Spread would be low without coughing or sneezing, so that could also explain Dr. Evans' assurance that it won't spread.
Though even the flu would be fatal enough in those times.
John definitely hadn't gone through anything worse than losing a leg - the doctor is just trying to calm him down.
The dialogue indicates that the mermaids are already locked up at that time, so it seems Dahl was trying to get in there, and John was either guarding the place, or interrupted him. (how did the leg get misplaced? I admit this stumps me.)
As for the Indians, it might have been just the disease combined with malnutrition - they were recruited from a lascar house, a place where a heartless employer could hire foreign workers at unreasonably low prices.
(This attitude to Asian foreigners might also explain why the doctor didn't use the watch to double check the circumstances of the murder, despite clearly having it on him already)
Lastly, one more clue for the cook, if you missed the 'fried mermaid ' one. In the execution scene, he's standing next to the butcher, wearing an apron and with a fork in hand.
It was just John and Dahl alone, that or Dahl jumped John while people were nearby but I digress; Dahl cut off John's leg, then maybe someone pinned him down and stopped him, meanwhile John crawled away from his attacker (to the other side of the deck), followed by the Surgeon arriving to the scene. The surgeon likely wasn't present when the leg got cut off, but someone went and retrieved him, so he didn't know where the leg was. Then John died, which probably stopped then from searching for the leg.@@marcusc9931
3:54 “stabbing the Kraken with a spear”
Just to be pedantic its a Boarding pike, which ships carried as a weapon to be used for boarding/anti-boarding actions
I actually replayed the game after 3 years since playing it at release, was almost a fresh experience.
Sure you remember how most people died and it won't be the same but you won't remember who is who
Same
For Alexander booth, when you see the bunks in doom he unblurs meaning we use that, process of elimination of who's bunks are empty and naming those above deck give us him remaining
I actually did figure out the shoe thing. I did end up making a couple of educated guesses on my way there, but when I got it down to 4 remaining Chinese topmen it felt wrong to brute force the last few fates of the game. Still tho.... WHO SLEEPS WITH THEIR SHOES ON AND A BLANKET OVER THEIR FACE XD
Someone who doesn't have enough privacy to change his clothes in peace, and doesn't want to be woken up by the night shift lighting up lanterns.
The surgeon also mentions that the weather is chilly when he diagnoses one of the dying Indian seamen. Good reason to cover up.
For 6:15, if you missed the third mate's identity previously, you can deduce who he is by the direction he is walking with his stewart. They are walking to the side of the boat with the first and third mates cabin. We already know who the first mate is, therefore etc.
I watched this video after fully completing the game, and it's a very - very nice complement to everything. I've downloaded the video as a keepsake for my precious time with this absolute experience with this game.
20:53 The leg chopping off thing is strange because it is not presented as a scene and there are only some indirect clues as to what might have happened.
My interpretation is that Dahl was busy below deck, and only learned about the mermaids and that 'everybody in part 4 died' from the crowd of onlookers. Superstitious fear kicked in and he irrationally decided that to stop the mermaids from getting onboard, he should use force against the workers bringing them in. It is unknown if he tried ordering them / threatening them to stop before attacking. The way Naples's leg is cut off so low, implies to me, that he outright ambushed them and swung at their legs while they were still walking downstairs.
That might actually explain why the severed leg wasn't found right away: if it was amputated when Naples was standing on the stairs, it could've tumbled or been kicked into a dark corner in the resulting confusion. Maybe Dahl extinguished the lamps at the aft end of the cargo hold, so he could ambush the mermaid-carriers more easily? That would account for why Naples is at the far end of the deck when Evans is treating his injury: with the lamps doused, the surgeon couldn't see what he was doing, so he had his patient carried forward into the light.
Dahl saw the accidents unfold - you can see him storming off angrily as the seamen tumble down the stairs.
The leg ends on the other side of the cargo hold from Naples, but there is a trickle of blood leading into the darkness from where he fell - perhaps one of the animals took it?
I have no idea how I finished this game considering how many of these I missed
The way to differentiate the Peters brothers is again with the hammocks.
Samuel's hammock is never seen hung up, but Nathan's is hanging next to Lars' in a scene (don't remember which one exactly. Maybe a bitter cold part 1 or somewhere in soldiers of the sea.)
The first letsplay I ever watched of this game noticed the shoes, but did NOT notice that the number tags matched the roster. So he couldn't use it.
the miss jane bird deduction was one of my proudest moments of my life.
25:51 If you look at the numbers on the hammocks you can see that number 60 (Samuel Peters) is nowhere to be found so the remaining Peters would be Nathan
Alexander Booth can be identified by his hammock, him doing seaman activities, speaking in an English accent when boarding the rowboat in Doom pt1, and he wears a scarf associated with English sailors (similar to the bosun's mate, who wears a shirt associated with French sailors).
One clue you didn't mention with the bosun is that he says "Verdammt", which is a germannic word, and he's from Austria. (The gunner is also)
How to deduce the Peters: After Samuel Peters death by falling cargo, his hammock is gone, leaving the only hammock of the Peters brothers to be Nathans. Alexander Booth can be deduced by looking at the empty hammocks in "The Doom, part 2" There, only a few hammocks are empty (36, 48, 49, 57) meaning these people are above deck. Since you know 3 of them already, you can safely assume it has to be the last one; Alexander Booth. This one was a hard one tho. As to George Shirley, i couldn't 100% identify him, but he was always seen and on the sketches drawn together with the Chinese group. His hammock (#59) also hangs close to the ones of the Chinese, so i assumed he had to be Shirley.
Amazing job man! Very enjoyable to watch after solving the game!
This is exactly what I hoped to find when i searched for it. Great job.
I figured out who Duncan McKay was because he is seen boarding the boat with his book in The Doom Part I, and the glossary at the back of the book says that the Purser took care of money. Since accountants/treasurers/other people who work with money usually keep a transaction book, I assumed that the man with the book must be Duncan the Purser.
Dude basically looks and behaves like a mafia accountant from a Batman movie.
This is exactly the content I was looking to find after finishing the game.
By the way, the French Bosun's Mate is wearing a French navy shirt, so if you recognize it, it's quite obvious that the man is French
Watching this video after having solved every case was a treat.
Quite a few hints I didnt pick up on.
You can actually figure out Nathan is the Peters who killed Lars early, because his hammock is still hanging in Doom Part 2, and you know the Samuel died at some point in the past, so his hammock would've already been taken down.
I deduced most of them in completely different ways. I love it.
Fantastic video. Thanks!
this is exactly the video I was looking for, thanks. it was really well done
Great video! I missed the numbers on the hammocks. Worse yet, I even saw the numbers and wondered what they were for but never even thought about the crew numbers. Oh well.
How to tell the Peters brothers apart: the Bitter Cold is after Loose Rigging, however in Bitter Cold hammock 48 is still being used, thus Nathan Peters is still alive in chapter 2.
OH MY GOD YOU COULD TELL FROM THE NUMBER TAGS AND THE SHOES?????
Yo, incredibly well done. Thanks a lot! This really gives the already excellent game a whole new perspective :)
I NEVER found the lifeboat that was picked up by the kraken, and instead I read the note you receive after exiting the ship to see the only survivors were the people on the lifeboat in the escape, therefore assuming they were killed by the kraken
another clue for the bosun (and the way i solved it) is that he uses the German "Verdammt" (or essentially "Damn!" in english) making him one of the two Austrians on board.
i feel smart for never brute forcing anything
I'm great at solving mysteries, and remembering the smallest details from ages ago.
But I am DOG SHIT at Nautical Terms and Logic....
*I suffered so much in this game. XD*
great game and great video, learning that the order you do the chapters in heavily influences what information you have and which guesses can be easier/harder. and i agree that the captains steward cutting the guys leg off is kind of a stretch given the information available
I believe the Peter's brothers can be deduced by finding one of their hammocks still occupied after one has died and before the other disappears, thereby deducing that the number on that hammock refers to the Peter's brother that died second, and not the one that died first.
The intertwining of the voice lines into your explanations cracked me up too much hahahaha. Also, the only way I could discover the Bosun's mate was cos I spent the whole game wondering why he was the only guy wearing striped clothes and I googled why the navy wore stripes and it turns out that it's a French thing, and the only Frenchman on the ship is the Bosun's mate
Looking back at the game, I played it so wrong.
Thinking the tattooed guy is the Frenchman is a common mistake.
Not realising that "foreign enemy" tag is a red herring (the game considers all semi-humanoid enemies to be 'beasts') is understandble, though it got me terribly stuck at the end."
I was also mislead by the death of the head steward (the only one I had to loook up) because his death sound sounds nothing like a gun shot.
But the worst blunder I made was in bitter cold - I missed the fact that the dialogue switches from Russian to Hindi half way through, and got so confused, I spent hours thinking that "Syed" is some sort of pet name for Aleksei.
Bro you deserve much more views and likes, very nice video by the way.
There's also the fact the only frenchman is the only man in early 1800s french navy attire.
I'm glad to hear that the names I brute forced, and felt stupid for probably not finding the obvious clues to, basically needed to be brute forced. Except after reading the comments, I had never realized I could have looked for hammocks (or missing hammocks) in other scenes than Bitter Cold 1 and Doom 1.
That Emily Jackson revelation blew my mind. I never thought to check for a ring.
Excellent work!
Amazing video, thanks a lot!
the most upsetting thing in the game was the Captain Robert mispelling the name of the sweet sweet kind violin player Nunzio Pasqua, AND YOU DID THAT AS WELL.
it's "noon" followed by the zio in "conversazions" xD
great video by the way :) love how you mixed the in game dub to do quotes. That was a nice touch
Good work, I salute you!
I 100%'d the game without too much trouble and I STILL missed so many of these clues! It's a testament to how good the game is that you can solve it in so many ways. Save for the carpenters, I never once connected any of the quarters to the people coming in and out of them (the First Mate, the Bosun, etc.), and got those from their behaviors, accents, etc. One of my friends thought I was nuts for taking into account the shoes of the Chinese topmen, so I was delighted when you mentioned them as a viable option for figuring out their identities. Great work!
The great thing about this game is that you cna figure some stuff out based on things that may not have been directly intended - I got to a point where the only identities I didn't know were the Bosun's mate, two Seamen and a topman but couldn't figure out who was who. Bug then I went back to Bitter Cold to see if I could use the hammocks at all and realised that Charles Miner was the only one of the four not present - because, as Bosun's Mate, he has his own room, while the others do not. That was such a specific situation, but because so mcuh attention to detail was put into this game it was possible to figure things out like that.