Keep it for everybody... belly and chest putters were anchord to a fixed point that remained still throughout the stroke. At least the arm lock is locked to a part of the body that still moves during the stroke. I didn't think belly/chest putters should have been banned and I don't think this should be banned. Anybody could develop the yips and there should be a solution for them to try
You could argue that bounce on a wedge could be banned. For me the skill in putting is in reading green and above all pace control. So I’m ok with it personally.
I have tremors, and recently ordered one. The armlock method of putting was challenging and quite exhausting mentally. Midlock made me feel more stable without wearing me out as I tried to avoid pulling the putt. As of today, I am a 13.6 handicap who averages 33.5 putts per round (over a 4 year span) , more recently in the 36 - 37 range due to increased tremors. If I can drop that by 4 putts a round, I have a chance at being a single digit handicapper, something I didn't previously think possible! The race is always on! Best of luck to my fellow hacks. :)
You are 'Spot On' with the Evnroll ER11v! I just purchased the ER11Vvx, and, in the first 9-hole round of our g😮olf league, I made 6-One putts and 3-Two puts. This is one awesome putter! The guys in the clubhouse thought I was playing with an illegal club. I bought the midlock shaft & grip extra, but I haven't even used it yet.
All for the arm/mid lockputters being allowed. I’m a short guy and can arm/mid lock a 35” putter. The whole point in anchoring the putter was that it gave a very specific anchor spot with hand and chest and was swung with just the trail hand. With the arm/mid lock you still have to make a traditional putter stroke.
I have a 35" putter and a grip that looks absolutely normal and I still only use the muscles in my right forearm and right abdominal oblique to make the stroke.
I'm not sure why you cannot see the difference between armlock and putting from a fixed point in your belly or sternum. Those latter methods employ a fixed point at one end of a lever, creating a mechanical advantage. In armlock, the putter is connected to a structure with multiple possible movements (the elbow and the shoulder). It's not like the method is new, either. Bernhard Langer won the Masters years ago using an armlock method with a standard putter. USGA/R&A rulings are always arbitrary (e.g. a driver's length and volume). And Sam Snead never anchored in his croquet approach to putting, but the powers-that-be still outlawed it because Bobby Jones didn't like how it looked. FWIW, I think the anchor ban was just as arbitrary.
The belly/chest does not move in a putting stroke, anchors don't move. In the arm lock/wrist lock the arms move just as they do in any putting stroke. IMO the 2 are not related at all. The arm lock takes the wrist out of the stroke, but so does left hand low and the claw grip.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear you talk about the key feature of an EVNRoll putter, that being that the grooves in the face are not parallel design to ensure a straight ball path whether the ball is hit in the center of the face on the sweet spot or not. That could also count for your improved accuracy with this putter.
I have an arm-lock I use once in a while. My putting did not improve because I am able to hold it to my arm. It still requires skill to read and starting a ball online. All it really does is utilizes the pendulum stroke. You can still push or pull your putts. Though it does roll the ball a lot smoother it seems. And you have to actually try it before you can say it's anchoring. Think about this, the driver head is 460cc now..I stopped playing when it was 270cc and laughed my ass off when I came back to golf 25 years later and saw the huge heads. I thought, that has to be illegal! Do they make it easier to hit the ball straight? Didn't help me! Lol!
The head and shaft changing abilities is superb.. change from mallet to blade when the weather changes. Change from midlock to standard grip, if you fancy a change. I love the concept.
Hi Matt...where can you purchase one of these my dad I'm afraid has the yips and I was looking to but one for father's day but I can't seem to locate one anywhere? Can anyone help?
Well, it's time to make a change. No way it's going to be worse than my putter. But until it's not legal, I might need to try it. Thank you for the info. Keep up the good videos, I love them.
If we cant have anchoring then I am not sure we can have armlock but hey, that's just my opinion. But if we do have it then it must be allowed for both pros and amateurs. Nice vlog Matt; filming, editing and production all top notch Cheers
I don’t see anything wrong with it , it’s just a different style of putting I doubt it would suit everyone, imo it just suites certain people . I don’t use it myself but I might try it out at some point
The difference in the locking technique is that the current ban prevents anchoring the end of the putter, and thus turning the club it into a true pendulum. with armlock, the entire putter is moving throughout the swing at the same velocity throughout the putter. This is not the case with anchoring at the chin or the chest.
If you can't understand the difference between the end of the putter being a fixed pivot point against the body compared to swinging with the arms I don't know what to say
Why would it be banned? You can only name a handful of pros using this type of putting style (arm lock or mid lock or whatever you want to call it) - just shows that if it really gives an 'unfair advantage' then everyone should be switching to this right? I've switched to armlock to regular to armlock to regular again - believe me, armlock is not as easy as it seems. Short putts will be easier - but distance control for lag putting is so much harder as there is very little feel involved already (very mechanical). So you might end up with a lot more 4-5 footers than you would like.
The club has not been modified to some magic level, it has a grip to better accommodate a "putting Style" the player still has to apply considerable "skill" to get the ball in the hole, in fact no less skill than any other putter. It is a fad, like aluminium golf shafts. Cannot see why it would be banned. The golf authorities generally do not dictate on style of playing the ball. (all though I think Sam Sneads side saddle putting stroke may have drawn comment?
Snead's shuffle putting was immediately banned and the illegality of the stroke and style of putter is mentioned at length in the equipment regulations. With that being said, I agree with your sentiments. In term of "fixing" bad putting, this fad is a is a plaster not a panacea.
Reguardless of anchored or not if you dont choose the right line it wont go in. If you dont hit it hard enough or hit it too hard its not going in. 🤷♂️
These are fine, stats back it up on tour, good putter with a normal putter is as good as an arm lock putter and that's because the arm isn't a fixed point. It moves through the swing. If it gives you more confidence use it, it's not getting banned
I would say no, if it’s that good everybody would use it but they ain’t, but in that my honest opinion I think all the long putters should be allowed also but as I’ve also read, maybe pros no and amateurs yes but as said think it should just be open for use
I use one a love it!…Had the yips really bad with the right hand and the arm lock saved me😁…I put my right hand on my left forearm now to eliminate it all together…No more yips for me😁….Shouldn’t be banned IMO 🍻
To be quite frank you have the yips because you don't practice and/or have a very poor putting grip. But if this crutch works for you then that is good.
@@diogeneslantern18 Actually I practice a lot , I cut out the concrete in my basement and installed a cup ,have a Berber Carpet which rolls really well...I have no issues at home or on the practice green with the yips but I do on the greens when playing (mostly lag putts)...It’s a mental thing but the arm lock fixed it for me...Gotta laugh that you critique my putting ability/technique without ever seeing me putt😂
So the only argument I can see for allowing the arm-lock is this.... the part of the club which is anchored to the body is still moving; meaning the arm. Your arms still have to move with the stroke. With the chest lock or belly putter, it was anchored to a part of the body which was stationary and didn't move. Otherwise, anchoring is anchoring whether it's anchored to the arm, belly or chest. Currently the USGA tries to use some fancy words and make it harder to understand than it should be. An anchor point is an anchor point if you ask me but if they defined anchoring to a part of the moving, or non-moving body, it would be easier to understand. At least with the arm lock design, it's anchored to the arm which moves with the putting motion.
To the arm isn't anchor point regardless. You can't anchor to the arm, as it moves, correct. However puting the putter against the arm is also not anchoring. The only way you can anchor a club is with the butt end of the club, not the side of it.
@@JMEAUS22 My opinion is it’s still an anchor. It rests the shaft against the arm and stabilizes the shaft and club head through impact removing the wrist from the stroke. The grip is turned sideways to the flat part is against the forearm. One definition of an anchor is to keep something from moving or to stabilize it. If you don’t wanna call it anchoring don’t. IMO it is. The USGA isn’t going to change the rule because you and I disagree on a term. Best of luck to you on the course.
It isn’t really anchored as it moves with the arms, the banned putters were anchored and fixed in a set point such as the chin, chest or belly. The long putters are still used but held in the hand with the wrist fixed against the body and not moving, I don’t agree with that but the arm lock putters aren’t anchored in a pivot which makes them fine in my view.
First of All the title is a litle bit irritating 😅 But I totally agree with your opinion with amateur an Pro, because the pros have it easier to play then an amateur anyways with all the different Rules to the amateurs and Ball spoters around and and and! 👍🏻
I do not use an arm lock putter and I never will - with that being said, I simply do not see it as an unfair advantage over a standard 34/35" putter if you have your putting fundamentals dialled in and practice regularly - I put in 20 hours a month practicing around the green and I'd bet money that even someone who practices as much as I do will gain any noticeable advantage over me. A fortiori, it's unlikely that somebody with an arm lock putter who _never_ practices will be any better than some who also never practices with a 34/35. Any strokes gained in a round imho will come down to fluke.
As someone who already had an evnroll for a couple of years it's by far the best putter I've had. Lost count of the number of comments I get about how well the balls rolls off the face even on not so good greens. Not something I need but if the roll of the face is like my putter this could transform someone's game who struggles with their putting
@@diogeneslantern18 that means nothing. Most amateur golfers play one game maybe two per month if they are lucky and we dont all get the time to practice. It is a transformation when u see immediate improvement without time to practice.
@@adrianmacklin418 the difference between half decent players, and noob hackers, my friend comes down to practice, not equipment whatsoever. The greatest two putters on tour statistically both used bullseyes.
@@diogeneslantern18 im an 8 handicap trust me i understand what you mean ive practiced alot. But for alot of amateurs clubs like this one do help. I have zero faith in movabale weights or twist face or any other garbage out there. For a club to hep it has to be a drastic change and completly locking your wrists up in a put is a drastic change without practice.
In the rules of golf there is a fundamental difference between locking the shaft against the body and locking the shaft against the arm. That's why armlock putters aren't banned.
@@adrianmacklin418 already modified and have had no issues with the angle of the face. Stroking the pitter far more consistently than before. Haven’t affected score yet…Texas greens are like concrete. You breathe on the ball and it moves fast.
You can't allow it for one group and ban it for a different one. Example: I am young .. I like to play golf. I have problems putting and start using it .... fine. Than it seems i am VERy good ..... getting better and better .. than I want to qualify for a tour card ..... but I can't use my putter. Suddenly I have to learn a complete new way of putting which would put me back 2 years maybe.
The problem with your reasoning is that golfers who aim for the tour will/should _already_ be cognisant of the equipment regulations when they are working for their card. It's not as if they get their card and realise "oh fuck, now I've got to change my putter and putting" overnight. Edit: to add - ping eye 2s are banned on tour so there falls away any authority in your opening statement.
Maybe I misunderstood about the "long" putter but didn't they ban it due to the fact it was pivoting on the body. Arm lock/ mid lock there is no pivot point..... I'm a traditionalist anyways and probably would never try it
@@michaellepatourel2148 yeah practice is always best. But it is ridiculous to say I refuse to use a midlock putter because it's not traditional. You can do all the practice in the world and get as good as u can possibly be at putting, and ydt the midlock putter still shaves an extra couple of shots off your handicap and to still not use it makes it seem like u dont wanna shoot your best scores.. Do you also refuse to use draw biased clubs, or adjustable hosels... none of these are part of what people call traditional golf. While it's perfectly legal why wouldnt u do all you can to shoot your best score? It's far more than a gimmick... its scientifically proven to keep the face secure for longer.. and as long as the pivot point is still your body then it fine by me. I putt quite well but I have a tendacy to get a bit handsy on some putts. I'm going to try one. If it works I'll save a couple of shots every single round. If it doesnt so be it. But ill try anything that's legal that can help me play golf at my very best... After all we use technology in every other club to help us hit it longer, higher, straighter, get more spin, more forgiving etc etc. So why not putter as well. I'd love to know your thoughts on 3d printed putters.. that's as far from traditional golf clubs as u can get..
@@WhatsUp-bf3sz While I do respect your point, there is a big difference in the technologies that you mentioned and armlock. I am all in favor of 3D printing, adjustable drivers/clubs, different materials etc....but armlock in not a technology it is a technique. It is only beneficial for those who want a straight back and through, it is not really better for those who have an arching stroke. And in my opinion alot more gimmick. I find it quite interesting that many of professional golfers ( which I am not), try it for a time and go back to their old stroke. My guess would be that you will only see it as a passing fad....with the exception of a few golfers until the next passing fad comes along.
@@michaellepatourel2148 yes but as we know, virtually no one has actually has a straight back and straight through arc, as a matter of fact it's not impossible. Theres always some arc to your stroke. All midlock is doing is keeping you from getting handsy. The putter still arcs. It just returns to square faster and stays there much longer as u can see in the video. I dont really see that as a gimmick at all. In the end when you look at it purely from the stats and scientific standpoint is that really any different to a draw biased driver which also helps get the face square faster?. But talking about fads and gimmicks.. 3d printed putters are the worst ones out there. Twice the price for something that costs them a fraction of the price to make compared to regular construction. Regardless. I have a very arcy stroke. But I will get one of these midlocks to try. Even if it just gives more confidence over short putts, which I dont lack anyway it's worth it.
If it conforms to the rules of the day, its cool. but look what happened to the long putters, it looks to me like your anchoring it in a very similar way. Might put some pressure on the governing bodies to make the call.
Great video Matt. I agree with you that it should be allowed for amateurs but for the pros standard length putters only. How are you going with your new longer length driver? I would be interested to know if you have put it in the bag.👍👍
I'm not a fan, but also don't think that they make that much difference, or everyone would use them. I suspect where as one golfer will love it, other will not. Question on whether or not they are crossing that line of "spirit of the rules" is something that remains to be answered.
When anchoring was banned arm lock specifically was allowed. So it should not be banned. Enough with the efforts to ban making the game easier. Just cause someone wins unconventionally doesn’t mean it’s easier for them. They might have just put in the work necessary to become proficient with their putter of choice.
In the rule book, the arms aren't considered a part of the body, so it's not technically anchoring, but I get it. Have you ever tried to use one? I don't see how anyone thinks that's easier or gives any advantage. It's so awkward.
@@rhull3939 I used to use a belly putter and the common factor as I see it, is both of theses methods remove movement of the wrist. The shaft is anchored to the forearm thus giving an advantage. If it didn't they wouldn't be using it.
@@alexandavamurray I don't think it's easier at all. Maybe if I had the yips. It's technically not against the rules, and if it was an advantage and easier I'd think every pro would use it. Staying with a harder to use putter would be the equivalent of a pro staying with a driver from 1979 that was 50 yards shorter simply because they liked it. I don't think it's the case.
@@rhull3939 the yips, that's the point. How many of these guys started off with traditional and switched. Yes its not against the rules but neither was using a belly putter until it came illegal so that point is irrelevant. The point is its restricting the wrists like using a broomhandle and belly putter thus reducing the skill of putting. So its not anchoring against body but against forearm so unless they have joints in the middle of their forearm(not elbow 😗} its anchored
@@alexandavamurray I agree that it's anchored, for sure. I just don't think it's an advantage. I wonder if they have putting stats for the players who use them vs players who use a traditional putter. I'd definitely be willing to bet that they'd be pretty much identical.
At that level, I dont think they should even have to use something that, allegedly, gives them that much advantage over anyone else. If someone playing at that level needs that much assistance, then they shouldnt be playing the tour. Even the field, set limitations and be done.
Like your honest opinion Matt but personally think they should be banned altogether just like anchoring was. Specially when it comes to Pro Golfers. Trouble is while ever a grey line exists there will be an excuse or argument to use it.
I dont quite understand the difference to Chambeau. His putter is allowed and this one should be banned? How so? Alltogether I agree: only hands to the putter but for everybody!
I just realized that the title is meant to imply that it the midlock is super effective (a clickbait). I have this - and for me, it is effective - a foursome regular also has it - and has sold it after using it for about 10 rounds.
I do use the arm lock and it should be banned. To many rules that allow average putters to be good putters. Line on ball, caddies reading greens, caddies helping with alignment, green books. These are all skills great putters should do on their own, IMO.
Well Matt , Paul here before I watch this I say yes BAN them for example bernhard langer and Adam Scott Ian Woosnam rest theirs on the chest MAYBE THEY DO OR MAYBE THEY DO NOT WHEN CAMERA IS NOT ON THEM . Take this factor away then no problem , if they can not use a putter try driver . it's great fun. LETS GO FURTHER PUT GROOVES IN THE GREEN THEN THEY DO NOT MISS , WHY NOT , IF YOUR GOING TO PERMIT THIS WHERE IS THE SKILL . PAUL
I am lucky, 35 years of playing and never had the yips at putting. Even at age 60, I still avg 30 putts for 18 holes. I am also a Ten Pin Bowler and find that I tend to put with just my right hand. But at the end of the day, I love putting. So Matt, I think you should get that club into your bag ASAP. And yes, pros should not be able to use it.
I used a broomhandle when I developed the yips but went to a Boccieri heavy putter when anchoring was banned! I cannot fathom why this is anything OTHER than anchored.
There is, or maybe there was, a rule saying that the putter can only be in contact with the golfer at 2 points, generally those are the hands... Therefore any other point is prohibited, even the forearm. Long putters are authorised but not touching a 3rd point, hence neither the chest nor the chin, of course. Manufacturers certainly respect the rules, but with some tools may allow players not to... If this rule is still in force and the putter respect the building rules, this is referees' job to apply competitions' rules as well...
I don't think it should be allowed at any lever. Just my opinion. I see no difference with the mid lock, arm lock or anchoring the putter. The rules are complicated enough without trying to make new rule for those who find it to hard to putt the traditional way. Love your channel Matt.
Yes, I always thought it should be banned based on the anchor ban you bring up at the end. I even think green reading books should be banned during tournaments.
So I suppose that you use persimmon woods and blades then as the impact of arm lock putting on “making the game easy” is minimal when compared to modern drivers and cavity baked irons
![Felix "Unfair" | [Stray Kids : SKZ-PLAYER]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Oswujxm2Ag0/mqdefault.jpg)
Aren't all clubs designed in some way to make the game easier? Nothing wrong with this in my opinion.
Keep it for everybody... belly and chest putters were anchord to a fixed point that remained still throughout the stroke. At least the arm lock is locked to a part of the body that still moves during the stroke. I didn't think belly/chest putters should have been banned and I don't think this should be banned. Anybody could develop the yips and there should be a solution for them to try
I've been using this putter for 3-4 months and its a game changer. Never holed so many 20ft+ putts. I now enjoy my golf again
You could argue that bounce on a wedge could be banned. For me the skill in putting is in reading green and above all pace control. So I’m ok with it personally.
I have tremors, and recently ordered one. The armlock method of putting was challenging and quite exhausting mentally. Midlock made me feel more stable without wearing me out as I tried to avoid pulling the putt. As of today, I am a 13.6 handicap who averages 33.5 putts per round (over a 4 year span) , more recently in the 36 - 37 range due to increased tremors. If I can drop that by 4 putts a round, I have a chance at being a single digit handicapper, something I didn't previously think possible! The race is always on! Best of luck to my fellow hacks. :)
Hey Matt. So how’s the putting going 2 years on?
You are 'Spot On' with the Evnroll ER11v! I just purchased the ER11Vvx, and, in the first 9-hole round of our g😮olf league, I made 6-One putts and 3-Two puts. This is one awesome putter! The guys in the clubhouse thought I was playing with an illegal club. I bought the midlock shaft & grip extra, but I haven't even used it yet.
All for the arm/mid lockputters being allowed. I’m a short guy and can arm/mid lock a 35” putter. The whole point in anchoring the putter was that it gave a very specific anchor spot with hand and chest and was swung with just the trail hand. With the arm/mid lock you still have to make a traditional putter stroke.
I have a 35" putter and a grip that looks absolutely normal and I still only use the muscles in my right forearm and right abdominal oblique to make the stroke.
@@diogeneslantern18 then you are putting wrong
@@wrewey lol. I remember when I was this presumptuous
I'm not sure why you cannot see the difference between armlock and putting from a fixed point in your belly or sternum. Those latter methods employ a fixed point at one end of a lever, creating a mechanical advantage. In armlock, the putter is connected to a structure with multiple possible movements (the elbow and the shoulder). It's not like the method is new, either. Bernhard Langer won the Masters years ago using an armlock method with a standard putter. USGA/R&A rulings are always arbitrary (e.g. a driver's length and volume). And Sam Snead never anchored in his croquet approach to putting, but the powers-that-be still outlawed it because Bobby Jones didn't like how it looked. FWIW, I think the anchor ban was just as arbitrary.
Matt, what is that jacket you're wearing? I would love to buy one but I can't find it online anywhere!
Mizuno jacket waterproof one from ss21 collection
@@Mattfryergolf I appreciate the reply. Still can't find it though. 😭
@@Mattfryergolf any more details on this jacket, or is it a mizuno athlete only model?
The belly/chest does not move in a putting stroke, anchors don't move. In the arm lock/wrist lock the arms move just as they do in any putting stroke. IMO the 2 are not related at all. The arm lock takes the wrist out of the stroke, but so does left hand low and the claw grip.
100%
Yes, in fact bring back the belly and the long putt. Look at the old time golfers, a lot of them anchored in on their leg.
Maybe I missed it, but I didn’t hear you talk about the key feature of an EVNRoll putter, that being that the grooves in the face are not parallel design to ensure a straight ball path whether the ball is hit in the center of the face on the sweet spot or not. That could also count for your improved accuracy with this putter.
Is the Midlock grip exclusive to the Evenroll or can you have it put on any putter?
John check out the super stroke wrist lock. I believe that’s the one Xander is using on his.
You can buy grip direct from Evnroll
Many golfers lock against their left wrist and/or arm when they put left hand low (cack-handed). What is the difference?
I cannot get it to anchor to my left arm , there is a space , and it is loose there, ?
I have an arm-lock I use once in a while. My putting did not improve because I am able to hold it to my arm. It still requires skill to read and starting a ball online. All it really does is utilizes the pendulum stroke. You can still push or pull your putts. Though it does roll the ball a lot smoother it seems. And you have to actually try it before you can say it's anchoring. Think about this, the driver head is 460cc now..I stopped playing when it was 270cc and laughed my ass off when I came back to golf 25 years later and saw the huge heads. I thought, that has to be illegal! Do they make it easier to hit the ball straight? Didn't help me! Lol!
The head and shaft changing abilities is superb.. change from mallet to blade when the weather changes. Change from midlock to standard grip, if you fancy a change. I love the concept.
Matt!!!! Put it in the bag like yesterday!! Looks great btw, I dont think I could replace my LAB putter tho.
Has it improved your putting compared to the Lab putter?
@@stuboy13 improved mine. 6 to 7 feet in i make 3 out of 5 but before id make maybe 1 out of 10. It def works but you need to still know how to putt
great vid, not what I expected from you mate...... very serious content, thanks for thought provoking content
Hi Matt...where can you purchase one of these my dad I'm afraid has the yips and I was looking to but one for father's day but I can't seem to locate one anywhere? Can anyone help?
if the putters with 5 foot shafts that you grab at the top and the middle are legal, these should be as well IMO.
Well, it's time to make a change. No way it's going to be worse than my putter. But until it's not legal, I might need to try it. Thank you for the info. Keep up the good videos, I love them.
Oh no! You got a little excited at the end there haha. Still. Crazy putting 👀👀
Putter vs Puttee. 🤔. I agree that it should be ok for Amateurs. For Pros I’m on the fence.
did you switch to the midlock?
Ashley from the golf supply has the EvnRoll ER2… he wouldn’t swap it for the world. What putter does everyone else use?
Curious - Are these currently permitted on the PGA Tour?
If we cant have anchoring then I am not sure we can have armlock but hey, that's just my opinion. But if we do have it then it must be allowed for both pros and amateurs.
Nice vlog Matt; filming, editing and production all top notch
Cheers
I don’t see anything wrong with it , it’s just a different style of putting I doubt it would suit everyone, imo it just suites certain people . I don’t use it myself but I might try it out at some point
Not just different putting style, it is a different tool.
Would just like to add, there was/is no statistical advantage for anchoring on the chest, belly or arm.
Can you go to the next distance, maybe 15ft to see if it is still as good?
The difference in the locking technique is that the current ban prevents anchoring the end of the putter, and thus turning the club it into a true pendulum. with armlock, the entire putter is moving throughout the swing at the same velocity throughout the putter. This is not the case with anchoring at the chin or the chest.
Matt - would have be good to take alternative shots ie got 5 practice shots before Midlock!!!
If you can't understand the difference between the end of the putter being a fixed pivot point against the body compared to swinging with the arms I don't know what to say
Why would it be banned? You can only name a handful of pros using this type of putting style (arm lock or mid lock or whatever you want to call it) - just shows that if it really gives an 'unfair advantage' then everyone should be switching to this right?
I've switched to armlock to regular to armlock to regular again - believe me, armlock is not as easy as it seems. Short putts will be easier - but distance control for lag putting is so much harder as there is very little feel involved already (very mechanical). So you might end up with a lot more 4-5 footers than you would like.
I don’t think any putter or stance should be banned .
What i dont get is why would it not be allowed? If 1 pro uses it ALL pros can use it, if it makes that much difference use it
The club has not been modified to some magic level, it has a grip to better accommodate a "putting Style" the player still has to apply considerable "skill" to get the ball in the hole, in fact no less skill than any other putter. It is a fad, like aluminium golf shafts. Cannot see why it would be banned. The golf authorities generally do not dictate on style of playing the ball. (all though I think Sam Sneads side saddle putting stroke may have drawn comment?
Snead's shuffle putting was immediately banned and the illegality of the stroke and style of putter is mentioned at length in the equipment regulations.
With that being said, I agree with your sentiments. In term of "fixing" bad putting, this fad is a is a plaster not a panacea.
just bought this putter and it is absolutely amazing
Reguardless of anchored or not if you dont choose the right line it wont go in. If you dont hit it hard enough or hit it too hard its not going in. 🤷♂️
Eliminates putting a bad stroke on the ball though, that’s the point 🤷♂️
These are fine, stats back it up on tour, good putter with a normal putter is as good as an arm lock putter and that's because the arm isn't a fixed point. It moves through the swing. If it gives you more confidence use it, it's not getting banned
I would say no, if it’s that good everybody would use it but they ain’t, but in that my honest opinion I think all the long putters should be allowed also but as I’ve also read, maybe pros no and amateurs yes but as said think it should just be open for use
I use one a love it!…Had the yips really bad with the right hand and the arm lock saved me😁…I put my right hand on my left forearm now to eliminate it all together…No more yips for me😁….Shouldn’t be banned IMO 🍻
To be quite frank you have the yips because you don't practice and/or have a very poor putting grip.
But if this crutch works for you then that is good.
@@diogeneslantern18 Actually I practice a lot , I cut out the concrete in my basement and installed a cup ,have a Berber Carpet which rolls really well...I have no issues at home or on the practice green with the yips but I do on the greens when playing (mostly lag putts)...It’s a mental thing but the arm lock fixed it for me...Gotta laugh that you critique my putting ability/technique without ever seeing me putt😂
Yes it should be allowed, anything that helps people with the yips still enjoy the game is welcome for me
Can you add 6 inches to your putter and then put the mid-lock grip on?
So the only argument I can see for allowing the arm-lock is this.... the part of the club which is anchored to the body is still moving; meaning the arm. Your arms still have to move with the stroke. With the chest lock or belly putter, it was anchored to a part of the body which was stationary and didn't move. Otherwise, anchoring is anchoring whether it's anchored to the arm, belly or chest. Currently the USGA tries to use some fancy words and make it harder to understand than it should be. An anchor point is an anchor point if you ask me but if they defined anchoring to a part of the moving, or non-moving body, it would be easier to understand. At least with the arm lock design, it's anchored to the arm which moves with the putting motion.
To the arm isn't anchor point regardless.
You can't anchor to the arm, as it moves, correct.
However puting the putter against the arm is also not anchoring.
The only way you can anchor a club is with the butt end of the club, not the side of it.
@@JMEAUS22 My opinion is it’s still an anchor. It rests the shaft against the arm and stabilizes the shaft and club head through impact removing the wrist from the stroke. The grip is turned sideways to the flat part is against the forearm.
One definition of an anchor is to keep something from moving or to stabilize it. If you don’t wanna call it anchoring don’t. IMO it is. The USGA isn’t going to change the rule because you and I disagree on a term. Best of luck to you on the course.
@@HillbillyJedi88 Thank you for your support
It isn’t really anchored as it moves with the arms, the banned putters were anchored and fixed in a set point such as the chin, chest or belly. The long putters are still used but held in the hand with the wrist fixed against the body and not moving, I don’t agree with that but the arm lock putters aren’t anchored in a pivot which makes them fine in my view.
First of All the title is a litle bit irritating 😅
But I totally agree with your opinion with amateur an Pro, because the pros have it easier to play then an amateur anyways with all the different Rules to the amateurs and Ball spoters around and and and! 👍🏻
how come you never took a practice swing with your putter, but did with the mid lock?
I do not use an arm lock putter and I never will - with that being said, I simply do not see it as an unfair advantage over a standard 34/35" putter if you have your putting fundamentals dialled in and practice regularly - I put in 20 hours a month practicing around the green and I'd bet money that even someone who practices as much as I do will gain any noticeable advantage over me.
A fortiori, it's unlikely that somebody with an arm lock putter who _never_ practices will be any better than some who also never practices with a 34/35. Any strokes gained in a round imho will come down to fluke.
As someone who already had an evnroll for a couple of years it's by far the best putter I've had. Lost count of the number of comments I get about how well the balls rolls off the face even on not so good greens. Not something I need but if the roll of the face is like my putter this could transform someone's game who struggles with their putting
Transform? It's a band-aid, not a solution. The solution is practice.
@@diogeneslantern18 that means nothing. Most amateur golfers play one game maybe two per month if they are lucky and we dont all get the time to practice. It is a transformation when u see immediate improvement without time to practice.
@@adrianmacklin418 the difference between half decent players, and noob hackers, my friend comes down to practice, not equipment whatsoever. The greatest two putters on tour statistically both used bullseyes.
@@diogeneslantern18 im an 8 handicap trust me i understand what you mean ive practiced alot. But for alot of amateurs clubs like this one do help. I have zero faith in movabale weights or twist face or any other garbage out there. For a club to hep it has to be a drastic change and completly locking your wrists up in a put is a drastic change without practice.
But then like if you grew up arm locking then turned pro and Cohen the use armlock it’d put you at a huge disadvantage no?
Just ordered a wrist lock grip.
Does that mean that armlock putters need to be banned from the professional game then as it is also offering help?
In the rules of golf there is a fundamental difference between locking the shaft against the body and locking the shaft against the arm. That's why armlock putters aren't banned.
Uhhhh, looks like my 2-ball Odyssey may be getting a shaft extension and new grip.
Pretty sure they have loft of about 4 degrees too so u may have to have the hosel bent alittle as well to make it work
@@adrianmacklin418 already modified and have had no issues with the angle of the face. Stroking the pitter far more consistently than before. Haven’t affected score yet…Texas greens are like concrete. You breathe on the ball and it moves fast.
@@ELWrana nice
You can't allow it for one group and ban it for a different one.
Example: I am young .. I like to play golf. I have problems putting and start using it .... fine.
Than it seems i am VERy good ..... getting better and better .. than I want to qualify for a tour card ..... but I can't use my putter.
Suddenly I have to learn a complete new way of putting which would put me back 2 years maybe.
The problem with your reasoning is that golfers who aim for the tour will/should _already_ be cognisant of the equipment regulations when they are working for their card.
It's not as if they get their card and realise "oh fuck, now I've got to change my putter and putting" overnight.
Edit: to add - ping eye 2s are banned on tour so there falls away any authority in your opening statement.
Matt’s hat game >>>>>>>
Maybe I misunderstood about the "long" putter but didn't they ban it due to the fact it was pivoting on the body. Arm lock/ mid lock there is no pivot point..... I'm a traditionalist anyways and probably would never try it
I find that quite amusing... so even if this was guaranteed to shave 2 or 3+ putts a round. You still wouldntnuse because you're a "traditionalist"
@@WhatsUp-bf3sz I would rather spend the time on the putting green and be better than use a gimic that might or might not work in the long run
@@michaellepatourel2148 yeah practice is always best. But it is ridiculous to say I refuse to use a midlock putter because it's not traditional. You can do all the practice in the world and get as good as u can possibly be at putting, and ydt the midlock putter still shaves an extra couple of shots off your handicap and to still not use it makes it seem like u dont wanna shoot your best scores..
Do you also refuse to use draw biased clubs, or adjustable hosels... none of these are part of what people call traditional golf. While it's perfectly legal why wouldnt u do all you can to shoot your best score?
It's far more than a gimmick... its scientifically proven to keep the face secure for longer.. and as long as the pivot point is still your body then it fine by me. I putt quite well but I have a tendacy to get a bit handsy on some putts. I'm going to try one. If it works I'll save a couple of shots every single round. If it doesnt so be it. But ill try anything that's legal that can help me play golf at my very best...
After all we use technology in every other club to help us hit it longer, higher, straighter, get more spin, more forgiving etc etc. So why not putter as well.
I'd love to know your thoughts on 3d printed putters.. that's as far from traditional golf clubs as u can get..
@@WhatsUp-bf3sz While I do respect your point, there is a big difference in the technologies that you mentioned and armlock. I am all in favor of 3D printing, adjustable drivers/clubs, different materials etc....but armlock in not a technology it is a technique. It is only beneficial for those who want a straight back and through, it is not really better for those who have an arching stroke. And in my opinion alot more gimmick. I find it quite interesting that many of professional golfers ( which I am not), try it for a time and go back to their old stroke. My guess would be that you will only see it as a passing fad....with the exception of a few golfers until the next passing fad comes along.
@@michaellepatourel2148 yes but as we know, virtually no one has actually has a straight back and straight through arc, as a matter of fact it's not impossible. Theres always some arc to your stroke. All midlock is doing is keeping you from getting handsy. The putter still arcs. It just returns to square faster and stays there much longer as u can see in the video. I dont really see that as a gimmick at all. In the end when you look at it purely from the stats and scientific standpoint is that really any different to a draw biased driver which also helps get the face square faster?.
But talking about fads and gimmicks.. 3d printed putters are the worst ones out there. Twice the price for something that costs them a fraction of the price to make compared to regular construction.
Regardless. I have a very arcy stroke. But I will get one of these midlocks to try. Even if it just gives more confidence over short putts, which I dont lack anyway it's worth it.
If it conforms to the rules of the day, its cool. but look what happened to the long putters, it looks to me like your anchoring it in a very similar way. Might put some pressure on the governing bodies to make the call.
It's not anchoring in anyway shape or form. Not even in the same ballpark.
Great video Matt. I agree with you that it should be allowed for amateurs but for the pros standard length putters only. How are you going with your new longer length driver? I would be interested to know if you have put it in the bag.👍👍
@Cris 2 Far guess I must have missed that one bit of the video I'll go and have a look 👍
Yes standard putters in the hands
Is it being anchored?
Can you anchor any club to your body?
Ban it if your not allowed to anchor a club and its anchored/resting against your body
You really missed the point.
@@nokia5359 how? The question is should anchoring be banned, it applies to every club not just this one
Don't see the problem!!!!! Is anyone that is actually using one of these or similar winning everything?
But if everyone has a chance to bag the putter……………..what does it matter. Arm locks eliminate a little bit of feel for distance but secure line.
A proper putting grip gives you both of those without the need of the equipment to "assist"
I'm not a fan, but also don't think that they make that much difference, or everyone would use them.
I suspect where as one golfer will love it, other will not. Question on whether or not they are crossing that line of "spirit of the rules" is something that remains to be answered.
When anchoring was banned arm lock specifically was allowed. So it should not be banned. Enough with the efforts to ban making the game easier. Just cause someone wins unconventionally doesn’t mean it’s easier for them. They might have just put in the work necessary to become proficient with their putter of choice.
I just bought this putter, same same. I guess its still legal. 😅
Anchoring was banned and if that’s not anchoring, I don’t know what is!!!
My opinion as well. If this is allowed then chest anchoring should be as well
Yes. Anchoring simple as.
In the rule book, the arms aren't considered a part of the body, so it's not technically anchoring, but I get it. Have you ever tried to use one? I don't see how anyone thinks that's easier or gives any advantage. It's so awkward.
@@rhull3939 I used to use a belly putter and the common factor as I see it, is both of theses methods remove movement of the wrist. The shaft is anchored to the forearm thus giving an advantage. If it didn't they wouldn't be using it.
@@alexandavamurray I don't think it's easier at all. Maybe if I had the yips. It's technically not against the rules, and if it was an advantage and easier I'd think every pro would use it. Staying with a harder to use putter would be the equivalent of a pro staying with a driver from 1979 that was 50 yards shorter simply because they liked it. I don't think it's the case.
@@rhull3939 the yips, that's the point. How many of these guys started off with traditional and switched. Yes its not against the rules but neither was using a belly putter until it came illegal so that point is irrelevant. The point is its restricting the wrists like using a broomhandle and belly putter thus reducing the skill of putting. So its not anchoring against body but against forearm so unless they have joints in the middle of their forearm(not elbow 😗} its anchored
@@alexandavamurray I agree that it's anchored, for sure. I just don't think it's an advantage. I wonder if they have putting stats for the players who use them vs players who use a traditional putter. I'd definitely be willing to bet that they'd be pretty much identical.
At that level, I dont think they should even have to use something that, allegedly, gives them that much advantage over anyone else. If someone playing at that level needs that much assistance, then they shouldnt be playing the tour. Even the field, set limitations and be done.
the difference is the armlock doesn’t “pivot around a point”… so it’s definitely legal
Rules allow but in my opinion no...anchoring was banned so how is this allowed...your hands should be only part allowed on a golf grip
looks like it should be a handy tool... all clubs for ams are designed to help.. so no difference and good luck to anyone who can afford one
Like your honest opinion Matt but personally think they should be banned altogether just like anchoring was. Specially when it comes to Pro Golfers. Trouble is while ever a grey line exists there will be an excuse or argument to use it.
I dont quite understand the difference to Chambeau. His putter is allowed and this one should be banned? How so? Alltogether I agree: only hands to the putter but for everybody!
I think that it is all armlock putters not just the one on the video 🤔
Those that make the rules set the standard that club makers follow! If it’s legal no worries, simple as that
If they’re so good… why aren’t the pros using them… it’s not as good as it looks, trust me I own one and routinely go back to my standard length
So more importantly did you put it in your bag Mr. Fryer
If everyone can use this putter then there is no real advantage , but it’s not 100% you will put every putt in the hole ?
I just realized that the title is meant to imply that it the midlock is super effective (a clickbait). I have this - and for me, it is effective - a foursome regular also has it - and has sold it after using it for about 10 rounds.
I do use the arm lock and it should be banned. To many rules that allow average putters to be good putters. Line on ball, caddies reading greens, caddies helping with alignment, green books. These are all skills great putters should do on their own, IMO.
No reason for it to be banned. None.
For the pros that used it, why can’t it just be used as a practice aid.
Its a legal club
Well Matt , Paul here before I watch this I say yes BAN them for example bernhard langer and Adam Scott Ian Woosnam rest theirs on the chest MAYBE THEY DO OR MAYBE THEY DO NOT WHEN CAMERA IS NOT ON THEM . Take this factor away then no problem , if they can not use a putter try driver . it's great fun. LETS GO FURTHER PUT GROOVES IN THE GREEN THEN THEY DO NOT MISS , WHY NOT , IF YOUR GOING TO PERMIT THIS WHERE IS THE SKILL . PAUL
The real shocking thing about this video is, how the fuck did he make it over 10:00 minutes?
I am lucky, 35 years of playing and never had the yips at putting. Even at age 60, I still avg 30 putts for 18 holes. I am also a Ten Pin Bowler and find that I tend to put with just my right hand. But at the end of the day, I love putting. So Matt, I think you should get that club into your bag ASAP. And yes, pros should not be able to use it.
I used a broomhandle when I developed the yips but went to a Boccieri heavy putter when anchoring was banned! I cannot fathom why this is anything OTHER than anchored.
Seriously how can you not see the difference between a broomstick and arm locking.... 🙄🙄🙄
At least you’re swinging both arms unlike the real cheat stick ,the belly putter.
It's just a better armlock so legal so pros don't look so weird doing it
Matt are u still using a midlock?
Get rid of the green books. That's the only cheating device they have.
There is, or maybe there was, a rule saying that the putter can only be in contact with the golfer at 2 points, generally those are the hands... Therefore any other point is prohibited, even the forearm. Long putters are authorised but not touching a 3rd point, hence neither the chest nor the chin, of course. Manufacturers certainly respect the rules, but with some tools may allow players not to... If this rule is still in force and the putter respect the building rules, this is referees' job to apply competitions' rules as well...
Only point of contact with any club should be the hands. End of for me.
I don't think it should be allowed at any lever. Just my opinion. I see no difference with the mid lock, arm lock or anchoring the putter. The rules are complicated enough without trying to make new rule for those who find it to hard to putt the traditional way. Love your channel Matt.
Yes, I always thought it should be banned based on the anchor ban you bring up at the end. I even think green reading books should be banned during tournaments.
So I suppose that you use persimmon woods and blades then as the impact of arm lock putting on “making the game easy” is minimal when compared to modern drivers and cavity baked irons
@@andyoakes3110 Your reply has nothing to do with my post. As a matter of fact, I have no idea what you are talking about.
I would test it with Pete Finch. If it can help his lackluster putting, ban it. Lol
I was going to say give to Rick Sheils, see if it works from 20 yards off of the green!
No I don’t use it but if a guy likes it I think they should be able too!!!
no it should not be band everybody can use them,,,,
Is it not another point of anchorage? Ie 3 points of contact. Hands and then forearm, no different to the banned belly putter in my opinion.
I think it takes some of the skill out of putting. It will be interesting to see if it will be allowed