These ELITE ROACHES Are Actually Far Too Cost-Efficient... | Is It Imba Or Do I Suck?
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- Опубликовано: 6 окт 2024
- After a lot of high elo replays in Grandmasters and other high leagues it is time to get back to the lower leagues again. And here we have a beautiful Bronze replay trying to showcase why Protoss is OP. But these players completely exeeded my expectations! Smash like to give them the power to rank up!
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Dude played more like a Bio Terran than a Zerg. He could switch race and be decent, maybe even better with his current level of control, plus his salty nature perfectly fits the Terran race
Plus if he doesn't want to build more than 36 workers mules help fix that!
I have terran as my 2nd race and its good
@@tolo9664 epic moment
@@Zim-ks6pb THIS right here is what I keep saying about Terran salt. Dude I hate to say it but, you just need to grow up and "git gud". Whining about imbalance and what not will get you anywhere.
@@tolo9664 That explains the playstyle! Thanks for allowing the world to roast you. You're a good sport :)
When Zerg goes 12 pool just to play a friendly game of tag with the probes but your lings get beaten up
Lings got bullied :(
Zerglings are very often misunderstood.
They would never hurt anyone, as they are actually pretty tame. But they often misjudge the strength of their play buddies and so fatal accidents happen…
@@kornelskitek7681 just look at the lings from carbot. How can anyone harm them.
@@kornelskitek7681 Definitely. I'm so glad that there are other Zergling psychiatrists.
@@sargonyami4292 so cute
Tolo is the type of vandal that throws poop to vandalize a farm.
Or the general that tries to poison the enemy's water with vitamins.
Overdosing on vitamin c is no joke lol
@@fulldisclosureiamamonster2786 Vitamin c is water soluble, so you'll normally just pee it all out. Something like vitamin d that is fat soluble is more likely to cause an overdose
Or the general that tries to poison the enemy's water.
Seriously dude what the fuck. You don't do that.
You didn't happen to watch the famous (20M views) video from ProZD "a villain who unintentionally always does helpful things"?
ruclips.net/video/GPUgjy-Pn-4/видео.html
Uhm you make it sound like trowing poop on a farm is not a big deal. It definitely is a huge deal depending on what part of the farm you trow at. ;)
I love the loss of a T in the units lost tab. 17:59 Good job. lol
I missed the reference on the joke.
@@danielskrivan6921 look at their names.
@@harta7397 Got it!
I was afraid noone would get it ^^
@@hamster_designs To be fair I had to pause and look through the comments to get it.
05:00 "Even the *Red Cross* does more damage in their operations... and they're a _charity_ that tends to _heal_ people." 😭😭😭
Harstem must've served as a Hellbat in the past, seeing how good he is at roasting
@@runtergerutscht4401 Blue Flame. Zero chill. 💀
Absolute gold! This is why harstem is moving fast to becoming my favourite sc2 caster
So epic. Already made my day :-D
@@henryviiifake8244 Oh boy. Blue flame Hellbat......
This is not a ZvP; this is a TvZ with custom unit skins.
Yeah this Roach + Ravager reminded me so much of a Maurader + Siege tank combo meanwhile the enemy played Zegling (Zealot), Viper (High Templar), Lurker (Archon) and Hydralisks (Stalkers)
Q wa 1######№####№#####a AA 111qqQaQqa❤😊Q@@@@Dark_Voice
that "t" in the units lost at 18:00 made me lose it
what does it mean ?
@@barforlifebarforlife6019 look at their names
@@barforlifebarforlife6019 >player names :D
Ah I get it now
holy shit i didn't even notice that LMAO!
This is 100% the type of player who says they lost while having more than double the enemy’s apm without realizing that most of their apm was completely useless.
Negative micro
2.7K isn't Bronze, it's almost Plat 3. Bronze is a dude sitting on one base for 10-15 minutes defensively and going up to most expensive tech.
Leagues bug is at it again. According to the league portraits, I'm bronze, playing against master players, despite me and my opponent having the same MMR as the players in this video! I'd be surprised if this bug gets fixed someday :)
That makes the 12 pool botch even worse, at least it's understandable in bronze
@@nefas909 im Masters 3 with 2k mmr have No Idea why
No its Silver 2 on EU - EDIT: actually I've found multiple MMR range charts indicating its likely a complete mess and maybe bug related lol.
@@glowyboi7175 It's not for sure. Like 2-3 years ago the plat-diamond transition range was 3200-3400. So that's hardly even gold, more like platinum.
That is some of the best anti micro I have ever seen. Stutter stepping melee units. Dude is big brain in all the wrong ways lmao
galaxy brain
give these lings rifles and they're all good... oh wait, that's marines! LMAO
@@dominikmagnus no, those are hydras, which are just more expensive Marines.
Isn't 2.7k more like gold/play level player? That guy got hit by the bronze league bug
Yeah 2.7 is plat. Both of them played high gold/low plat for sure :o
Blizzard broke league placements (again). So many of bronze/silver mmr players are in masters, while gold/plat mmrs are in bronze.
Masters are about 30% of playerbase, which is not normal.
@@Resistor736 Yeah quite confusing being bronze and playing versus master again and again.
I know! WTF is going on with the placements? Last night I got placed in Masters 3 rank 51 (I mean, just the screen, obviously not actual masters) with 2346 MMR but it was warning me that I was about to go down to Bronze 3 (which I could understand honestly) XD XD XD
@@joshuadalton6063 Over here plat is 2.8k
I love how Harstem says "this is surprising for bronze" all the way until the end... ya, because this was obviously NOT bronze LMAO. Clearly a ranking bug... come on Rank Roulette host :)
How did you know?
@@emlen5847 2.7k mmr in the complaint form
It even said 2769 MMR on the complaint form..... That is Platinum 2 I think. Not really sure where the MMR is right now between the ranks but I just got in Diamond 3 with 3200ish MMR so Plat 2 for 2700ish player seams about right.
@@AlexanderVRadev I thought the high mmr was the joke/incorrect variable.
@@minimalgrammar1276 Nah this is WAY better than bronze for sure. Although that 12 pool ling "micro" is a bit suspect.
Harstem: "Ive NEVER seen zerg mass roaches before."
Me: "my guy how are you top teir and have never heard of stephano roaches?"
also me: "Oh right that was like 10000 years ago..."
Havent he heard about Rogue? One of the best zergs of all time? XD
Negative micro is always great to watch, and that ling micro is one of the best examples I've seen. Nothing like a completely botched encounter where just A-moving would've been way more effective.
Protoss was supply blocked too so he had plenty of time to hit the probes
Watching this replay makes me want to finally give Starcraft 2 a shot in terms of playing it and sending in my first game ever played as an IMBA form to see how Harstem would react. All of my game knowledge comes second-hand from watching Lowko cast and Harstem videos so I should be basically GM right?
Come on in the water's fine.
clicking things fast and consistent is much more desirable to get into masters, than knowledge, since no amount of knowledge would save you, if you have less workers -> less eco -> less army (Lanchaster's law is no joke) and also late timings on any type of push/cheese.
Then, after you get to masters with your micro and macro, you can have benefits from your knowledge gained in full.
I had a friend just like you, he went instant gold pretty much bc he had watched too many replays, without having played any starcraft himself, not even sc1.. Not on his first game ofc but in a matter of days. several years ago when WoL was new
ive watch plenty of nba games. if i try out basketball, i should be like Lebron James right?
MP is F2P I believe, do it!
Try it on your own first, but PiG and ViBe have a B2GM series, both of which are really good. Vibe's is more macro-centric, PiG's I haven't seen yet. Winter also has the low APM challenge.
Thanks harstem as always u are right ill see what i can do when ill do drones so gl in next episodes maybe well see us again (also sorry once again to all toss players especially to tolot he was just better gg)and also i didnt transision from roaches because i was winning isint that simple??
I wish I could Roach like you, Tolo!
Well, imagine your opponent transition into immortals or voidrays, which is a couple of clicks away (Build robo -> build immortals/build stargate -> build voidray). Suddenly your lack of transition makes you loose your army rapidly and you have no tech to transition to. Zerg is often described as reactive race, since you can get out many units of your choosing quickly. So making a couple of tech structures in anticipation of a switch is quite common. For example a lot of the times roach warren is placed "just in case" Zerg is in need of a dozen of roaches to defend bases.
With your lack of scouting and transition you could've been dead much earlier, if toss decided to make even a couple of immortals. It's like seeing you miss incoming traffic by an inch and still insisting on crossing every road with a blindfold and earplugs...
@@dominikmagnus c'mon man. Let Harstem handle the insult comedy.
@@damedley75 I'm just practicing. I need to get better at least at something...
@@dominikmagnus Trying to get your insult comedy APM a bit higher? 😂
Now Harstem has learned what negative micro truly means. Thank you for the demonstration Tolo, playing terran and using a reaper would probably be better for you
This game is probably around mid-gold MMR wise, FYI. EU is better than NA but I think is still afflicted with the MMR/ranking bug that puts tons of ppl in Bronze. And this person looked pretty clearly higher than bronze to me!
I was wondering too, how tf can 2700 be bronze when diamond starts at like 3400
Exactly, I was both a bronze and a master soon after that, because of that bug... SC2 has a lot of bugs in it... zerg units are only a small fraction of them
@@axh2 didnt use to be like this...glorious Blizzard "maintenance"... shitshow company
@@Nutellafuerst they even fired their last intern on Starcraft. Cant believe it.
@@axh2 Lol nice!
Negative micro, APM spam and then complaining about balance. Should switch to Terran.
this guy would instantly go up a league if he build workers
and *INJECT*
Im injecting or just trying too as u can see after all fights i can do like 18-25 roaches at once
@@tolo9664 if you only expanded and transitioned to lurker vipers, you would have crushed that guy. Good luck on your next ladder games
@@tolo96643 base with each having 6 larva gives u 18 roaches. If u have 69 (nice amount) of workers u can max out on 3 rounds of injects (not even counting macro hatch and 4 bases). U don't even need no lurker viper. U be a chad and say mass roaches goes brrrrrrr. Make sure the that the protoss should complain next time.
@@tolo9664 Drone is the most overpower unit in Zerg arsenal. As they say "Soldiers win battles, logistics win wars." - with additional drones you can do better tech switches, you can afford taking fights because you can replenish your losses, you can build buildings more, you can get more upgrades than just the upgrades for one unit etc. etc. Build drones as your 1st objectives to make sure you have enough resources because if you dont have enough stuff from which you can build and morph units, chances are good you wont have enough.
21:47 52 vs 0 (ZERO) army supply. I guess i have never seen a game at 19 Minutes where a player has exatly zero army supply for literally 10 seconds. Holy crap.
So on the EU serve, ~2600-2700 is Gold 1. 2800 is Plat 3. So these guys are very far from bronze if the MMR they gave is accurate. I know this because that's exactly where my MMR is and this looks about how I play.
Ok thanks, you answered the question I had, this just didn't look like bronze at all...
@6:18 Almost 30 seconds supply blocked, capped at 44 ?
@7:31 Another 20 seconds supply block...
I remember playing first settlers game and loved to watch thos little dudes carryng stuff from one flag to another. Following the goods to be taken from one place to another. :P
I would love to see a "can I coach a low rank player to victory against a higher ranked player, without watching the game". Just By listening to thier description of what is going on. Could be a fun challenge imo. ^^
This isn't bronze, it's the league bug. They have gold 1 mmr
At 17:58 the Units lost screen shows that Tolo lost one 't'... Before losing that 't' he was Tolot. Holy shit...
"Mine woods." -- Excellent.
"It is imba or do I suck" into "Rank roulete"
36 drones vs 5 base Toss? That's ridiculously all in if the Toss had decent micro whatsoever would have been open and shut game.
I am actually in pain with that zergling micro
Speaking of Age of Empires, would love to see you try age of empires 2 definitive edition, or age of empires 4. Unlike Blizzard, Microsoft seems to actually be investing in RTS games.
"Microsoft seems to actually be investing in RTS games", thats a good one! :D AoE2 servers are really bad, 1/4 of time, there is a problem to even start a game. ¨
@@michalvodicka5123 Oh there are some problems with servers?
My bad, you are right that completely cancels out the fact that they released a definitive edition for all three of their age of empire titles, gave the most popular one two whole expansion packs, also gave 3 a whole expansion with new civilizations, regular updates and patches, renewed investment in the tournament and pro scene, and finally a full sequel being released.
But no let's focus on the few things that aren't perfect like an absolute insane person.
Aoe4 is looking to be a worse game than aoe2 with a lot of basic ui missing.
2.7k is Gold 1, if Blizzard actually fixed the ladder. Take that from a Bronze 1 2.9k Zerg with a 2.2k friend in Masters.
Last season I ended in Plat 3 with 2.8k.
And that guy played like a true Gold player :D
you hate to see it. I still think the captain needs to play more rank roulette. He seems a bit out of touch with us lowly plebs.
I figured it out: 100% he is an ADC moba player. He knows his builds, he knows how to kite, but for the love of god he doesn't know how macro. Overall I'm thinking that with better macro he can be very strong and climb up fast.
Naw he's the Mid lane assassin with ridiculous mobility that goes 2-0 early but never leaves lane or helps contests any objectives and just slowly auto attacks the turret while his team needs help everywhere else and wonders why he lost.
It's totally not his fault it's those damned high templars how dare they beat my 3-3 upgrades
The lie counting in the end is the best. I want a hamster table with something like "big truth" to "big lie". Keep the editing up
I hate that the master border everyone worked so hard for to get is just meaningless now.
I love the beginning of this video xD
how hard he went on that ling micro was great
stutter stepping with zerglings XD
Harstem's insults are always so creative, I feel more creative with my insults by just watching.
I've never seen that amount of roaches, not even in ZvZ
I had to do a double-take on that lost 't'.
He also had overlord speed to drop roaches in multiple bases, or mass drop the main. So tunneling claws wasn't the only tool he had.
2700 MMR is gold 1 btw, not bronze.
I have the same bug. I thought I am bronze, caude it's says bronze 2 at 2500mmr
i was about to say! they both expand more than once and kinda-sorta spend their money, how the hell is this a bronze game?
Europe server, the level is way higher.
@@Leonhart_93 No, the ranked is bugged
Micro, no float, upgrades? Bronze my arse. You got duped harstem 2700 is plat
#Facts but, compared to Harstem, they may as well be 😅
Maybe this guy is trying to start a "Beating bronze players with stupid stuff" series. The challenge is using roaches exclusively and in a 400IQ move got Harstem to do the narrating.
That red cross Comparison made me remember that one Fake lawyer that didn't even graduated in lawyer school somehow managed to win 27 Cases STRAIGHT! At that point if I were a real lawyer id be embarrassed and impressed.
He is not bronze, 2769mmr is plat 3
Yes, but currently MMR ranges are messed up on EU server.
Bronze 1: 2648 - 2972
Silver 3: 1840 - 2027
SIlver 2: 2027 - 2213
...
Gold 1: 2640 - 2760
Plat 3: 2760 - 2893
Plat 2: 2893 - 3027
So technically everybody below mid plat 2 is in Bronze. I wounder how Harstem didn't noticed that.
@@saxus I am bronze 2 at 2600 MMR, so the bug is not only shoeing for bronze 1.
@@Mihauki yeah, but 2600 is less than 2648. 🙂 But yeah I can feel it. For long time I was a stable Gold 1. Sometime Inreached Plat 3 but never could stay in. And for this season I was in Bronze 1 until last week. (Now I'm finally over 3k mmr and be in plat 2.)
the editing really kicks it up a notch. great job mr editor
I mean, before he sends in the replay dosen't he see the problems himself? At 14 minutes he got a 110 army supply vs 28, but he for some reason does not engage. When you're opponent is up 15 workers and mine from a gold base, it's obvious that eventually your army lead is gonna get smaller and smaller...
Harstem was spot on about what he did wrong. He never went above 36 drones... if he eco properly he could have maxed out like 17 times and just ran over the protoss a million times over.
@@Figgy20000 He had 53 workers at 13 mins, even 58 at 17 mins. After losing his third, he stopped replacing drones that he used to build stuff
People don't think, they just complain.
At one point he had 64 army supply against 0. And then the guy warped in 7 ht and made some archons.. could have won easily lol
EU leader for bronze is broken. Bronze1 has 600-800 more MMR than Silver3 that is almost the same as Plat3
Yes, and master too
2.7K is not bronze, it's gold 3! I'm silver 1 and on 2530 MMR. I'm amazed someone can stutter step zerglings like that but use it to make them less effective. If only all the Zerg I met were this bad...
I think that how it is here on the Europe serve. Probably because the game is more popular and the level is higher.
@@Leonhart_93 I play on Europe, most people can't do that. For bad or good!
17:58 Gave me a good chuckle there Hamster, putting a [t] in the units lost tab
Poor Tolo, not quite a Tolot
26:00 "I was expecting bronze league to be different."
I think you were expecting something more along the lines of bronze league heroes episode 6, search it on youtube it was made by Husky.
sc2 needs another metric called WPM, not Words Per Minute, more like Wastefulness Per Minute.
11:34 165 supply of protoss, 3 stalkers, the rest is zealots sentries and archons. He said he ONLY made stalkers.
I live with roaches here in Texas, you can’t kill them, they suk
Harstem being so friendly beause the guy's bronze. Love to see it.
would love to watch Age of Empires 1 or 2 gameplay from you
Since AoE4 is coming out soon, that may also be an option
Same
Dawn of war
that ling micro against the probes should be clipped as the example everyone uses for what negative micro looks like
Kill off the whole army of your opponent twice and call his race IMBA - nice one
he clearly saw several times toss had no detection because he had overseer, and toss didn’t attack burrowed units. getting 3-4 lurkers would make him unstoppable
Harstem is having a hard time not saying roaches are imba
2.7k is not bronze btw, its more mid-low gold I think, although that depends a lot on the server, unless there was a bug with showing the mmr and his is lower than it says I think this guy is about low gold
Harstem gives such good advice! Really good for these bronze players. Truly makes him able to laugh as much as he wants at these games without feeling too bad about it. :D
This would be about gold mmr?
It is plat 3 and to be honest, I would have said plat 3 too if this was rank roulette.
It really doesn't look like a bronze game at all. Way too much micro.
MMR range on eu for bronze is around 1000 - 1800, for silver up to 2400, for gold up to 2800. So these guys are almost low plat. Kinda a clickbait :D
every protoss unit looks like a stalker
I have the same bug. I thought I am bronze 2 with 2500 MMR. This bug is very common and confusing to a lot of lower MMR players
The opposite exists too. I have barely 2000 and got placed in Master 3. I got the portrait and everything but all my opponents are either bronze or silver,
So funny. Dude was actually going DOWN in workers (down to 28) with 0 economic dmg by toss for like 20 mins.
8:50 oh yeah, I miss those times, it is just so chill to just vibe, and get into the atmosphere of the game when you dont have micro or eficiency on your mind yet. You just are, you just do. Man, so sad you cant be like that forever
"They want people to get better, they send you in" lmao
9:42 microing comes after actually most likely
Dear Captain sheep was added at Age of Empire 2 .In AoE 1 I watch them chop trees and hunt and keep building towers.
7:31 the following minute is the most hilarious part of my day so far
edit: what actually killed me was around 8:00 when he's talking about workers at the 3rd.
edit 2: I watched the rest of this video on 1.25x speed.
Some of the lower level games seem like AI playing a campaign. Like, there is some semblance of reason behind their actions, but overall it's just dancing around until a player decides to end the level.
There's bug currently where people who belong in gold are placed randomly in either bronze 1 or masters 3. I'm also in bronze, but I can max out before 9 minutes with 2/2 upgrades. My mmr is about 2800.
Is that a new bug? Because the running issue was everyone being shown as Bronze 3 regardless of MMR...
Part of the reason why bronze isn't nearly as bad as you think is because of the very low playerbase which makes for an overall higher skill floor than you remember from back in the day
Part of the reasou why this "bronze" isn't nearly as bad it's because it's Plat 3.
I love how players build one unit and wonder how they lost.
Yeah, if Zerg could win massing one unit with bad macro, it would be Zerg that was IMBA.
I wrote you recently about me thinking of playing SC2 - those guys being bronze scared shit out of me
The intro for this on had me laughing a lot.
It's really impressive where your 400 apm zerg micro is worse than clicking A move and taking your hands off the keyboard until they die, literally. It's sort of impressive in a way
“That is a big truth” made me LOL
7:07 They are not Bronze. Hamster showed a Master-Icon saying 2.700 MMR (at 2:25). There is a bug saying "You are Bronze" or "You are Masters", but actually you are Gold. I assume Tolo did not know about this bug, but with 2700 MMR you are not Bronze.
I'm actually impressed. Sure he didn't know how or why he lost but not bad for a bronze player. Goes for both of them.
2700 MMR on the complaint form. He is Platinum. Ether the dude is having the placement bug and not know, or more likely he is trolling Harstem.
You missed that he killed his own tumor at 17:42 lol
2.7k isn’t bronze, it’s low platinum 3 or gold 1… he hit the wrong button
Age of Empires 1, 2 , and 3 are such nostalgia trips.
18:50
700 to 820 APM as a bronze player.. damn
you know what could have really turned the tide for the protoss player, a void ray. just one will do.
Soooooo what he actually did was prove roaches are OP. Hehe
lol ya, it did seem that way. a couple immortals or void rays would make them look bad though
I find it hard to believe this is a bronze game. Hotkeys, creep spread, focus on upgrades, knows about roach RR, even with all the mishaps, still, this Z isn't bronze and neither is P for that matter.
That zergling macro looked like if someone used sc2 control hacks that were intended for marines on a melee unit.
Hi Harstem,
You are right, this player should not be bronze. I used to be Platinum 1 in the previous season and I was actually with lower MMR. This season I am bronze and my gf who is a few hundred MMR below me is silver 1...
So this guy is around the platinum range.
yo i'm diamond and this guy has better control in some circumstances than me and similar apm, ( the sieged ovie in the middle of the map, the actually pretty good roach stutter step) it's wild how his focus on control has cost him so much understanding of the game that he's in bronze still. I think a lot of us can learn something from this haha
I'm a dia 1 terran but my zerg suuuucks, so I actually ran into a bronze protoss once. I went 1base muta and was able to use 10 mutas to pin his maxed zealot archon army in his 4 bases for about half an hour. I macroed up being 3 bases behind and got brood lords while he was staring at my mutas. It was shocking to me how much he expanded and how much army he made, but then he just stopped doing things after maxing out.
Also, 2700 being bronze is really weird because my 3000 mmr zerg is plat. Where is gold and silver league?
This is honestly a pretty good game for bronze, both these guys could easily be gold +
Bronze 1 is bugged, just like Masters 3
I saw the bronze and was thinking "wow gonna be fun to watch some people at the bottom of the ladder" but 15 minutes in im sitting here thinking "This dude's roach game is a lot better than mine wtf"
Hes litterally just watching drone mining and didnt even forgot to spam key
I always thought the extra healing the roach gets is from tunnelling claws not just a passive the roach has. Huh interesting