Anatomy of an accident - the loss of the Norwegian frigate Helge Ingstad
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- Опубликовано: 4 янв 2022
- A simplified summary showing how the collision between the frigate Helge Ingstad and the oil tanker Sola TS on 8th November 2018 which led to the loss of the warship. See our article here for more details:
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Footage via: Norwegian Armed Forces
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For All those unarmed ships used as target practice by the navy one has finnaly scored a hit in return ...
I am ashamed of being a Norwegian. You don't need warships to sink our navy. Just send an unarmed oil tanker. This shocking level of incompetence is a result of politically correct doctrines that has completely destroyed our ability to defend ourselves. I hope that you Americans find it worthwhile to defend Norway next time we need you, but I can't blame you if you do not want to do so.
@@thorjensen6918 it also shows the vulnerability of warships today, especially since sea lanes can be very crowded these days but man, don't take it to heart. The Americans had at least 2 destroyers heavily damaged because of collisions with civilian tankers in the last 20 years
Not so fast !
There was a handfew of American femal military sailors on the bridge that fatal night.
They were on a training mission at the time - sailing without radar and without identification signals
and was navigating strictly by vision in the night.
When the radar operator on land could see that they were on the collision course with this other tanker
they told the "Helge Ingstad" to identify itself and gave them the first warning of dangers ahead.
Those on the bridge ignored to alter the course and just continued straight ahead.
They were given multiple warnings but still did not react.
Only the Tanker stopped it's engine - as it cannot navigate like ordinary smaller boats.
When the ships crashed into each other, the femal American that was at the wheel steering the ship
immediately went into a mental breakdown and was not able to react to anything.
She had to be taken care of by others and had to be carried away.
That femal navigater is now a full time navigator on another American war ship.
There was a Norwegian supervisor that had the responsibility on the ship that night.
He is the only one that has been brought to court for this incident - and he now has a hard time explaining what was really happening on board - and why there was no reaction to the several warnings of a collision given to them.
He blames the whole thing on multiple misunderstandings and unfortunate sircumstances that all came together and created this catastrophe.
For those of you who wonder why this millitary ship so easily could be ripped open like that - the explanation is that the Tanker had heavy duty anchor sockets sticking out like a bull's horns, on each side on the front of the ship - exactly where the two ships made contact !
It worked like a can opener.
Another unfortunate sircumstance that helped sinking this extremely expensive hyper modern military ship.
Concise and informative video. Very well done
As a former radar operator in a G7 navy, here are my words to any and all Officers of the Watch from any and all navies... THIS IS WHY YOU ALWAY PAY ATTENTION TO THE OPERATIONS ROOM!
The radar operators on the Helge Ingstad were ignored and the result was the loss of 1.5 billion dollars worth of ship. They continued to report the presence of 200,000 ton block of steel travelling straight at them at an appreciable speed, but the bridge just ignored them. ALWAYS listen to your radar operators.
The Helge did not cost $1.5 billion to build.
The frigate didn't cost $1.5 billion to build, the $1.5 billion price was for a totally new project of frigates, a new class. The Norwegian Navy have no interest in operating 2 different classes with different equipment. if they was to replace on frigate, they rather replace the entire class and sell of the reminding 4 frigate to countries like Poland or Portugal for example.
Its always why Upper Deck Sentries and look outs need to pay attention.
Yeah, guys clearly didn't let the "shore lights" on the collision course to bother them, then failed completely with damage control And as a cherry on top they had the hatches open... Good they knew how to evacuate
"Anthony" here has not the correct information and understanding of this incident and why this collision occurred.
The "Helge Ingstad" had switched off all electronics on board - including their own radar and signal systems.
They were on a training mission simulating that these navigation systems had been knocked out.
They were training on sailing strictly by vision in the night.
The radar operator on land was the one that gave "Helge Ingstad" several warnings of dangers ahead.
For some reason these warnings were being ignored.
On the flybridge that night were a handful of Amerikan female navigators that were given this kind of training.
There was only one Norwegian supervisor that had the responsibility and that has been brought to court.
He has a hard time explaining why these dire warnings was being ignored.
just think what an anti-ship missile can do...
Or Biden..
I read about this and it doesn't reflect well on the Norwegian navy at all. It's been scrapped now as I recall.
The Officer on the bridge screwed up big time . Never mind the lights!!!
This officer now works in KFC.
@@fauxfox2974 That might be possible as it was recently unveiled that the officer which held command at the time was an American exchange officer
@@kongthemayor5481 she ony there for learn
This is what happens when a navigational mistake is made worse by a failure of a ships systems, then compounded by utter incompetence and ultimately a failure is basic seamanship. Like leaving all internal hatches and doors open.
Some very big lessons can be learned from this tragic loss.
It was a human mistake, not a failure of a ship system
@@adrianfernandez8754 Please read my comment again. I said it was "a navigational mistake".
But that alone did not make the situation as bad as it turned out.
That would not have mattered wether internal doors were open or closed it whole side at sea level was ripped open, they were very lucky they were close to the shore and they managed to run aground, or you would be talking about the crews death, but someone was not doing the job properly this is why they have radar it should never have happened period .
@@1951woodygeo I agree it should never happened and why I suggest it was a mistake made in the first place that triggered a series of far bigger mistakes.
Yes they ran aground but it was the open hatches and doors that led to the sinking after it was run aground.
Ships can still float even after catastrophic damage as two US Navy destroyers have proved. I recall the Maersk Launceston and the Hellenic Navy minesweeper Kallisto collided off Piraeus and the Kallisto was severed near the stern. The rear section floated off and sank but the main section was closed up in short order and salved despite a list.
if they just had hold those hatches and doors, she would still be floating. my Stepfather that worked this frigate project had warned the command about the bad culture, onboard these ships.
The Frigate was designed to survive a torpedo exploding under it's keel. It have double keel that give more strength without reducing the normal flexing of the hull, in addition it was cased in rubber, to reduce shock. the ship have 14 main compartments and as my stepfather said, so long 4 compartment is fully intact, she will not sink (unstable yes)
Well that was an expensive cock up... confusing a massive oil tankers deck lights for lights on shore... really?
Surely, when navigating a very modern warship like that, at night, close to shore, they have access to night-vision or thermal optics, and all sorts of other sensors and maps that would have shown them there was a giant oil tanker approaching... Surely they weren't solely relying on some guy on the bridge with some binoculars? At night?
And why on earth didn't they respond to the requests to change course? I know, accidents happen, but a lot of mistakes were made here, you can't deny that.
Oh well, I bet the officer of the watch is regretting it now!
i bet the officer of the watch is flipping burgers somewhere now
As I recall they thought the call to change course came from another ship they had on radar. What boggles my mind is how they abandoned ship leaving all the doors open leaving it to sink.
@@captainbuggernut9565 or damage control teams not stopping enough. As well them leaving watertight compartments open.
@@jakehayes1998 my step father that was part of the team on the project for building these frigates, had several time warned the command about bad safety culture on these ships.
The frigate was designed to not sink even if 4 or more of 14 compartment is full of water. or if only 4 compartment is fully intact and rest is partially to lost. (unstable yes, but not sinking)
These frigate was build and designed to not sink and stay somewhat intact, if a torpedo exploded under it's keel. They was designed with twin keel (for more strength but at the same time still being able to flex) that was cased in rubber, to reduce shock. In addition with rubber mats on the inside and rubber coating on the outside.
The real reason was that the actual captain or first navigation officer was asleep during the incident. The only officers on the deck were poorly trained women. Also the ship could have been saved if bulkheads and water tight doors would have been shut closed. Why they weren't closed is because of poor training.
You should do one of these about the collision between HMS Fittleton and HMS Mermaid in 1976.
I was a member of the sea cadets at the time based at HMS Sussex RNR at Shoreham Harbour
The loss of personnel was felt greatly at the time.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Fittleton
Excellent video!
Incompetence!!😡
amazing graphics specially the water physics in the animation, wonder how they didnt see the ship on the radar?
The reason is that they were out on a special training mission that night.
They were giving special training to a handful of Amerikan female navigators - navigating strictly by vision
in dire straits at night - and without radar or any other identification signals, simulating they had been knocked out.
But they were given warnings from radars based on land radar observations - but these warnings where
for some reason being ignored.
Those on the bridge that night blames it on a series of misunderstandings and misjudgements.
How the fuck can a so called experienced bridge crew could not see that tanker barrling down on them they have radar and the old mark 1 eyeballs they must had been sleeping
Gonna need another ship. This one’s broken. 😱
Who choose music for this video? You are fired!!
Did the commanding officer get some compensation and a few years of paid leave for stress?
he's standing trial as I type
He's on trial.
The navy needs a replacement. No navy can afford the loss of a major combat asset. Especially when that navy is not very powerful to begin with.
First of all the Norwegian navy needs to replace its utterly incompetent officers and sailors before they sink the rest of the navy. Admiral Lord Nelson once said: "Ships don't fight, men do".
@@thorjensen6918 You are right. Those responsible should be punished. The navy, however still needs another frigate.
This one become longer then what I wanted to write!
they are not replacing the frigate, it's to costly to replace a single frigate. The class have already reached or close to it's MLU. The military technology development is so rapide that just after a few years into the class life, they started to have some problems with getting parts, since they had went out of production (the problem of using off the shelf parts!)
What Norway do instead, is keeping there Skjold class in operation, they was to retire in 2025 when they reached there MLU, but now they are getting the MLU.
Norway is also very close to the "defense planning team" to start making plans for the structure and future of the Navy. some will come out in 1-2+ years. last time they made a plan, was in the 1990's after soviet collapse and a different type of threat, then constant harassment of the Soviet Navy, we had up to 14 submarines, 70 MTB's, 5 frigates, 2 corvettes (at the most 100 combat ships)
At the moment Norway is at it's absolutely operational minimum. we are still working after the old plan made in the 90's, so when we replacing the last 6 submarine in the Navy, it will be with 4 but larger and more advance and stealthy submarines even the US Navy are locking at what Norway and Germany is doing together.
The other thing that have to be considered, is how close together various nation navy's work together, it's quite normal to see Dutch, German, Danish ships patrolling up the Norwegian coast, The British Navy usually stay further out. Norway and UK work very close together when it come to P3/P8 patrol over the North sea/North Atlantic.
So the future planes for the Navy would probably consist of what Norway need for it's own protection and what it need to operate together with other navies. For example Norway operating an AOR ship HNoMS Maud, she is almost the double the size the Navy need, but perfect in an rotation with the NATO fleet, but when it's not in NATO service it is in Norwegian water doing normal task, but are also ready for disaster (it have it's own fully equipped hospital).
There will be a full clean up, for sure!
Must be a terrifing sight for those below decks, all hail new norwegian submarine.
BASIC RULE OF THE ROAD AT SEA. IF BOTH SHIPS ARE HEAD ON,BOTH SHIPS TURN TO STARBOARD . IT DOES NOT SAY A LOT FOR NORWAYS NAVAL TRAINING.
I read the wiki report on the investigation. Total incompetence on the personal and command structure and training.
what was that ship made out of ?
@Pawii111 Some sections (more critical parts) of the vessel are of durable steel alloy, however, a large portion of the ship is just an aluminium alloy.
Command failures and crew training failures. Hope a lot of Officers lost their careers over this.
Eh...seems like good learning experience to me.
Can’t park there sir
Hope the Norwegian Navy has enough ships left for its lead in the HMS Prince of Wales 🇬🇧exercise happening now and they have improved their navigation abilities😱
There is this new invention called RADAR. Perhaps they could install this miracle device for the future?
Err Captain what’s that big blob on the radar? It must be your coffee stain.
The OOW didn't bother with navigational radar at all. Weird decision.
That must be land sir, or a fish farm 🥸🤡
This happend in 2018
El feminismo como implacable arma de destrucción naval.
Jajaja. Tanto el comandante durmiente como el vigilante en jefe responsable eran oficiales varones. Las superiores femeninas (mujeres) seguramente habrían hecho un trabajo mucho mejor.
4 of 7 bridge crew was pero, the officer in charge was pero.
Oops... 😂😂😂
It's a warship, it's damage control should be exceptional, why did it sink?
A ship of some 60,000+ tonnes rammed, very effectively if accidental, a ~5-6,000 tonne vessel. Even with the best damage control, that shit isn't gonna just buff out.
They had issues with the design in the water tight doors their report came out and stated to which then their own government/ship maker denied, likely so their sailors feel safe in those class ships. So yeah, a bunch of in fighting trying to pass the blame.
"The failure of the vessel's watertight integrity led to an immediate safety alert to designers Navantia, calling on them to advise operators of similar vessels on any necessary measures to address safety, however, a possible design flaw at Navantia was dismissed, as the accident report points to a succession of human failures."
@@kimjonglongdong3158 The reason the ship sunk was the crew of the frigate didn't close all hatches and doors. The frigate was designed to not sink even if only 4 of 14 compartments was fully intact (that means other compartment is partially intact). with 4 compartment fully flooded, she would be unstable, but not sinking.
My stepfather worked on this frigate project, and he warned the command several time about bad culture onboard Norwegian combat ships, he had on several occasion seen them sailing with the entire ship open...
The frigate was designed to still float after and torpedo explode under it's keel... so long the ships is closed down.
Because sailors ran out instead of closing the bulkheads,
It sank because it was build in Spain where they do not really care much about the safety of seafarers, you see. The vaults did not work as they should automatically close the area covered with water and finally get under. Sea-water in contact with high-tech is a very bad mach. Stupid EU-rules forced them (norway) to build in total 5 frigates of this class, in Spain.
I bet that cost a lot of money.
500+ billion dollars.
@zapzz z Sorry, lol. Wiki: USD 489 million (est.)
It was women fault
4 of 7 bridge crew was male, the officer in charge was male.
Stupid music in the background.
Jesus talk about incompetent crew from the top to the officers down to the bottom of the sailors. Mediocrity, stupidity, incompetence and ineptitude at its finest.
should have used flex tape
the fact that we cant say that all female crew didi this is worst than loss of that ship
Both the sleeping commander and the responsible watchman in chief were both male officers. Female officers would likely have done a better job. Apart from the watchman´s responsibility the published reports primarily blaime the male dominated Norwegian Navy´s completely unprofessional cowboy attitude and nonchalant laissez-faire approach with regards to safety which led to inadequate training programs, etc.
The a.i. ship computer thought it was a stationary rock!
3 other American ships had similar accidents
I’m praud to be Norwegian. But this was very embarrassing😂
Медаль Ушакова танкеру!
[Laughs in Patriarchy]
4 of 7 bridge crew was male, the officer in charge was male.
@@slitor I hope she sees this bro
@@MonsieurGone incel virgin confirmed.
VIKINGS...........I am ashamed !
The seven women on the bridge of the Helge Ingstad were talking about nail polishing and boys when suddenly out of the dark, like a lightning, came the four men (including the pilot) navigated tanker.
The collision was unavoidable!
It is funny that the animation shows only men on the bridge of H Ingstad when the main problem was that there were women!
Fake news. Both the sleeping commander and the responsible watchman in chief were both male officers. Female superiors would surely have done a much better job. Apart from the watchman´s responsibility the published sea reports primarily blaime the male dominated Norwegian Navy´s completely unprofessional cowboy attitude and nonchalant laissez-faire approach with regards to safety which led to inadequate training programs, etc. etc.
well of COURSE that doesn't get mentioned!
Four of the seven bridge crew members were men, the officer in charge was a man!
Dissecting this accident involves are bit more then "cootie awareness".
@@slitor No it wasn't but it's fun to see you white knighting on every coms speaking about the fact it was women when even MSM spoke about it.
Hight tech ships😁
Never so high tech that a bit of human error can't sink it 💪🏼🙌🏼
Error humano
fake, it was women not men
4 of 7 bridge crew was male, the officer in charge was male.
If this happened to a developing country's navy the media will have a fun day ..but since it happened to a advanced country ..muted silence..
This happened in 2018, and was extensively covered.
All girls on deck...the girl on bridge is passed out...
4 of 7 bridge crew was male, the officer in charge was male.
Woman moment
Rather...Cowboy moment.
Officially lost in action.Investigators found bottles of vodka aboard so is Russia to blame...Internal communications fails ?! Speaking tubes are cheaper and more reliable.
Welcome to The Ponytail Company!
Feminisme in the military of Norway started to be a huge problem already 15 years ago. A female navigator fell asleep on duty which caused the tragedy with the frigate, Helge Ingstad. The military-system is wide open for girls which has now led to a major security risk. In the name of feminisme, lesbian freedom of liberation and total equality for gender the fools have put everyting at stake!
Wrong. Both the sleeping commander and the responsible watchman in chief were both male officers. Female officers would likely have done a better job. Apart from the watchman´s responsibility the published reports primarily blaime the male dominated Norwegian Navy´s completely unprofessional cowboy attitude and nonchalant laissez-faire approach with regards to safety which led to inadequate training programs, etc. Rumours say that from now on Danish Naval officers will only participate in exercises with Norwegian warships if those war- ships have female commanders.
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 This is delusional. Will the Danish Navy apply this requirement to non-Norwegian navies??? How many female norwegian sailors were on the bridge that night?
Second dumbest thing I read all year
@@jesperlykkeberg7438 😂😂😂
@@Alvar2001 4 out of 5 persons on bridge were female, there was only 1 man, he was not in charge, but to cover it up the Norwegian government place all blame on the man.
Utter incompetence and design flaws
Design flaws? Nice try.
Shut your mouth...and the hangar door!
@@rockinestcatinthegalaxy4775 design flaws, simple
@@saltymonke3682 That card was used before, and is proved useless.
The ship ended too well for the atrocious misuse that suffered.
Not even the toughest ship in the world would survived to those bunch of...
@@rockinestcatinthegalaxy4775 design flaws, keep it coming
telll that to USS McCain
@@saltymonke3682 I am 1000% sure that in USS McCain they left all the hatches open to let the water freely goes throughout the vessel, for sure they did!!! Come on, man...
That is a horrible ship. Norway needs to step it up and build better constructed ships. While accidents happen, for a ship to sink with that little damage, makes me think how bad it would do during wartime. I can show old sinkex videos where ships have 5 times the damage and still float. How did the water tight compartments do nothing? How did your bilge pumps do nothing? How do you run a ship aground in an area where it can still capsize and sink, nothing was done right here at all. The US AB class recently had similar incidents, where the USS John McCain had an around 30 foot hole below the water line after hitting a barge, and traveled back under its own power...
"THEUSS John S. McCain limped into Changi Naval Base in Singapore today after a collision with a merchant vessel near the Straits of Malacca. It's the second collision involving a naval warship in as many months, and although the two incidents appear similar, a few things set the crash of the McCain apart."
Para que los compartimentos estancos funcionen hay que cerrarlos... Si la dotación no lo hace por falta de conocimientos o entrenamiento el problema es de la dotación no de la calidad de la nave.
El informe noruego indica q la nave pudo salvarse solo con cerrar las puertas estancas.
The problem is not the design, the problem is a bad culture in the Navy, my stepfather warned the command about that several time. these frigates was designed to survive a torpedo explode under it's (twin) keel. she would float with 4 compartment fully intact and rest partially intact, of 14 compartment. She would float with 4 compartment fully flooded.
The reason she sank, was the crew didn't close all the hatches and doors. she was open all the way trough.
That is the reason for the US ships didn't sink, 1 was in a treat area and was closed down+, thus the flooding was limited to just that area. The other one was partially closed down, due being at sea and the crew fully closed her down. they never did on the Norwegian frigate.
Those "sailors" would sink the best constructed ship in this world , no matter how good the builder was...
@@rockinestcatinthegalaxy4775 No it was just a terribly designed ship.
@@ThatCarGuy Hahahaha that is Ridiculous. Ferraris are also badly designed if you decide to crash them at 300 kph against a wall?
Women in the navy is not a good idea ❤
Lmao