Hi everyone, After making this video I received an email identifying an important correction. Rather than explain, here's the email... "I just wanted to point out that Session does not actually use Tor. Onion routing is its own thing, a general computer networking concept. Tor is also its own thing, a network implementing that concept. Finally, Session has its very own implementation of onion routing using a network of Oxen service nodes which are not connected to or affiliated with Tor in any way. It might seem like a trivial nitpick at first glance, but it's an important distinction. Anybody can run a Tor node, many people have expressed concerns about compromised exits. There are some who may actually be discouraged from using Session if they think it uses Tor." Thank you to Zcyph for taking the time to email me and clarify this. 👍
Forgive my ignorance--and confusion--but am I correct that this clarification is a Pro for Session or is it a weakness? Is Session still one of the best options for secure messaging? Thanks.
@@ransombaggins9301- It sounds like it is a pro. Rob Braxman has talked about problems now with Signal, and I think he is advocating to use Session for better privacy.
Exactly. IMO phone number messaging apps and non-phone number messaging apps are distinctly different, so there's no point in criticising one for not being the other
@@1pha5hark in early 2000s it was widespread in the internet. It took extra measures (effort) and investigation to deanon someone in public chats or discussion boards and everyone had this by default. It was not 100% anonymity, but good enough if you are "good guy". The internet itself hasn't changed much since then but the software and the way how it collects and stores personal data - has. Apps and websites nowdays asks too much from user and requires registration - it's a total BS. Broken by design.
Using the being pregnant or not analogy, I think a better way to look at it is *risk* of being deanonymized. Aka, sure, you're either pregnant or not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use the best contraceptives you can find
@@meino6465 but with today's automated tools - anonymity is not a process, where you can use some condoms. It's a state: you either already f...ed or not.......
The biggest problem that keeps me from using Session or any app like it is that I want an alternative to emails, which Session is not. It is a chat box for conversations. Emails do not require prior approval or a membership to be seen, so it really is like sending an old fashioned letter. But emails are totally sent in the clear and anyone can read them if they intercept them. I have yet to find anything that exists that is an alternative to the functionality of emails.
I used voice typing on signal at one point in time and all of a sudden I must have changed something in my phone or the app changed. Now it says this app does not support voice typing. And that's complete bulshit I've used voice typing on signal ever since I had it and all of a sudden it does not support voice typing.
Lots of bugs and a big minus at this app is that auto deletion of messages does not work. They don t store data, but my messages with a lot of people are blocked there between clients, so they exist in the app and i need them to disappear. Metadata is not such a big deal for this kind of applications, aniway not good if you want to say something and vanish .
For the session ID, how safe for business type work. Like if I were to my session ID on my video, so that way so that way if someone wants to text me they can get it that way?
I like your contents. I appreciate your works. But there are some mistake in your videos. In a video you said Signal doesn't have End to End Encryption Backup. That doesn't correct. Signal has this option since the beginning. Also session is not so secure nor private unlike Signal. Session doesn't have Perfect Forward Secrecy unlike Signal. Which means session uses the same encryption key to encrypt and decrypt the message. If the key get stolen all your previous and upcoming message can be decrypted. Which is perfectly mitigate in Signal with the help of Perfect Forward Secrecy. Signal change the key frequently. So, if the key get to wrong hand they can't access all the messages.
Hi Nadim , thank you for taking the time to comment, and for making your points in a polite and constructive manner. Before addressing your points, I will say that I thoroughly research all of my videos. I aim to ensure every statement I make is accurate and unbiased. Where I’m wrong, I pin corrections in the comments section. However, on this occasion I do not believe I am wrong. In regard to Signal offering encrypted backups, I refer you to this support article on the Signal website. support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Backup-and-Restore-Messages You can transfer your Signal account between devices but Signal does not store a copy of messages in the cloud. I also refer you to this other article, by a third party, which supports this. www.securemessagingapps.com/ In regard to your point on PFS, I recommend reading this article from Session on why they chose to use an alternative to PFS. getsession.org/session-protocol-explained Whether that makes Session less secure than Signal, I’ll leave that decision to the experts. However, I think anyone using either Signal or Session can be confident their messages are private.
Every app he said is not always anonymity there is always something like not private messages it can always breach but signal try to protect your private more than any other app. and other apps are more secure and saver on signal than on facebook or whatsapp because they trying to protect our privacy and signal and other apps like it cannot see your phone number or anything so signal is far more secure and private than whatsapp facebook x telegram that can see your phone number emails passwords ect
How is it created by the police? I think it's suspect and my gut says it's glowing, but I really don't know. I swear Australia was involved in another compromised messenger so maybe oxen project is the same thing. I wish someone with way more brains than me would publicly audit the code.
Hi everyone, After making this video I received an email identifying an important correction. Rather than explain, here's the email...
"I just wanted to point out that Session does not actually use Tor. Onion routing is its own thing, a general computer networking concept. Tor is also its own thing, a network implementing that concept. Finally, Session has its very own implementation of onion routing using a network of Oxen service nodes which are not connected to or affiliated with Tor in any way.
It might seem like a trivial nitpick at first glance, but it's an important distinction. Anybody can run a Tor node, many people have expressed concerns about compromised exits. There are some who may actually be discouraged from using Session if they think it uses Tor."
Thank you to Zcyph for taking the time to email me and clarify this. 👍
Molly a fork of signal can use tor
Thoughts on Keet messenger and Berty messenger?
Forgive my ignorance--and confusion--but am I correct that this clarification is a Pro for Session or is it a weakness? Is Session still one of the best options for secure messaging? Thanks.
@@ransombaggins9301- It sounds like it is a pro. Rob Braxman has talked about problems now with Signal, and I think he is advocating to use Session for better privacy.
Signal is good for people you know in real life, but I can see session being far more useful for communicating with online friends and such
Exactly. IMO phone number messaging apps and non-phone number messaging apps are distinctly different, so there's no point in criticising one for not being the other
why session messages not?how to solve this problem
But there is no middleground between anonimity and no anonimity. It's like "sligtly pregnant". If anonimity is compromised - the app has no anonimity.
True anonymity? Going off the grid is the only way. Sometimes even that don't work
@@1pha5hark in early 2000s it was widespread in the internet. It took extra measures (effort) and investigation to deanon someone in public chats or discussion boards and everyone had this by default. It was not 100% anonymity, but good enough if you are "good guy".
The internet itself hasn't changed much since then but the software and the way how it collects and stores personal data - has. Apps and websites nowdays asks too much from user and requires registration - it's a total BS. Broken by design.
Using the being pregnant or not analogy, I think a better way to look at it is *risk* of being deanonymized. Aka, sure, you're either pregnant or not, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't use the best contraceptives you can find
@@meino6465 but with today's automated tools - anonymity is not a process, where you can use some condoms. It's a state: you either already f...ed or not.......
They should make X (Formerly known as Twitter) work like this.
The biggest problem that keeps me from using Session or any app like it is that I want an alternative to emails, which Session is not. It is a chat box for conversations. Emails do not require prior approval or a membership to be seen, so it really is like sending an old fashioned letter. But emails are totally sent in the clear and anyone can read them if they intercept them. I have yet to find anything that exists that is an alternative to the functionality of emails.
there are a fucking lot of secure email services like incamail
Very well made video, thank you!
You're very welcome! Thank you for taking the time to say so. 😊
@@FacultyofAppswhy session messages not sending they said failed to send ?
how to solve this problem
I used voice typing on signal at one point in time and all of a sudden I must have changed something in my phone or the app changed. Now it says this app does not support voice typing. And that's complete bulshit I've used voice typing on signal ever since I had it and all of a sudden it does not support voice typing.
i have a situation when i was added to a group by the Admin, but i cannot see the group on my phone, what can i do?
file attachments are 10 MB max kinda bad
Lots of bugs and a big minus at this app is that auto deletion of messages does not work.
They don t store data, but my messages with a lot of people are blocked there between clients, so they exist in the app and i need them to disappear.
Metadata is not such a big deal for this kind of applications, aniway not good if you want to say something and vanish .
will there be a review of xx messenger? maybe a comparison between those?
Read the TOS and privacy policy they collect user data
Adamant messenger is the gold standard
For the session ID, how safe for business type work. Like if I were to my session ID on my video, so that way so that way if someone wants to text me they can get it that way?
Dude what? English.
Simplex is a true anonymity
Can Session run on Emulator? I failed to do it, it can not connect to the path
why not session desktop?
I like your contents. I appreciate your works. But there are some mistake in your videos. In a video you said Signal doesn't have End to End Encryption Backup. That doesn't correct. Signal has this option since the beginning. Also session is not so secure nor private unlike Signal. Session doesn't have Perfect Forward Secrecy unlike Signal. Which means session uses the same encryption key to encrypt and decrypt the message. If the key get stolen all your previous and upcoming message can be decrypted. Which is perfectly mitigate in Signal with the help of Perfect Forward Secrecy. Signal change the key frequently. So, if the key get to wrong hand they can't access all the messages.
Hi Nadim , thank you for taking the time to comment, and for making your points in a polite and constructive manner. Before addressing your points, I will say that I thoroughly research all of my videos. I aim to ensure every statement I make is accurate and unbiased. Where I’m wrong, I pin corrections in the comments section. However, on this occasion I do not believe I am wrong.
In regard to Signal offering encrypted backups, I refer you to this support article on the Signal website.
support.signal.org/hc/en-us/articles/360007059752-Backup-and-Restore-Messages
You can transfer your Signal account between devices but Signal does not store a copy of messages in the cloud. I also refer you to this other article, by a third party, which supports this.
www.securemessagingapps.com/
In regard to your point on PFS, I recommend reading this article from Session on why they chose to use an alternative to PFS.
getsession.org/session-protocol-explained
Whether that makes Session less secure than Signal, I’ll leave that decision to the experts. However, I think anyone using either Signal or Session can be confident their messages are private.
Signal is about confidentiality, not anonymity.
Every app he said is not always anonymity there is always something like not private messages it can always breach but signal try to protect your private more than any other app. and other apps are more secure and saver on signal than on facebook or whatsapp because they trying to protect our privacy and signal and other apps like it cannot see your phone number or anything so signal is far more secure and private than whatsapp facebook x telegram that can see your phone number emails passwords ect
Thx
Does session support SMS? Can you replace your default messaging app like you used to be able to with signal?
No SMS is a weakness and risk
Dude..what would be the point in using an app like this if you’d use sms. It defeats the point
@@deprimat666 for the friends that still use SMS.. I would prefer one app that doesn’t it all like signal did.
Ya. They only need to make the different messages sms or not obviius in the gui. And you can even have a warning vefore sending
Or sort of split where the sms has another colojr and maybe differe t section to use it.
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Hii
Outdated video. SimpleX is better
Mobilecoin integration is a crap.
Session is created by police
It doesn't even delete you're conversations ... I restored my recovery phase and all my messages that were deleted reappeared
is that a fact or you just guessing?
How is it created by the police? I think it's suspect and my gut says it's glowing, but I really don't know.
I swear Australia was involved in another compromised messenger so maybe oxen project is the same thing. I wish someone with way more brains than me would publicly audit the code.
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@@yy-ex2il ??
Sus App no trust. Think about encro.
It's a trap!
FooI it’s an Australian app
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