Phenomenal information, Nathan. Thank you for taking the time to do this review. You deserve more views and more subscribers. I shared with my network.
Thanks for the video, but I would like to have some thing more explained like what are the differences between Session, Signal, SimpleX chat, Briar, Jami. Because, ok, you said that Session is anonymous and private but is not as secure, than Signal is secure and private but not anonymous, and SimpleX chat, Briar, Jami are P2P but what are the differences between them. And which should I use when I want to chat with my friends, family, etc. (people that I trust and know in real life), and second or the same for people that I don't trust that much. (sorry for my english)
There's a lot to this question. You might find my actual website more helpful: thenewoil.org/en/guides/less-important/messaging/. If that doesn't help, let me know.
Wire errata: wire is based in Switzerland, for legal privacy protection reasons, but has its server farm in Germany (just because the internet 2.0 is better there and much faster).
I have a hard time trusting e2e encryption or any e2e with sensitive info. One has to trust the other end user will respect the privacy of the message and properly secure their device. For all we know, the message is getting sent to multiple devices owned by the user, some of which are either shared or easily accessible to others.
@@Vincent-Koltes Exactly. This is a greater issue with private communication, and it's not always a trust issue. A device can be compromised where there is no trust issue. The solution for me is to avoid communicating sensitive info online unless the risk warrants it.
That's part of a bigger problem though; meaning, one that a platform or piece of software can't solve. You obviously have to trust the other person and their ability to use their device. This is why one should practice "privacy first". You should have in-person knowledge of who you are talking to, what you're social contract with them is, and how you will be talking to them in the future.
Thx for this very useful video!🙏🏼 It provided me some different views on messengers I already knew, as well as introduced me to messengers, I wasn’t aware of thus far. Minor hint: the video setup, appearing you “just” reading off the content. Cheers!
@@TheNewOil: I just checked: _Silence encrypted SMS/MMS messenger_ is on F-droid but was last updated 3 years ago. Maybe it's an orphan. Sorry for the bum steer.
Re: Wire, there are a few minor errors here. (1) Wire is registered in and legally based in Switzerland, but most of its development team are in Germany. (2) Wire wasn't owned by an analytics company, it was partly owned by a venture capital fund that was also invested in an analytics company.
Thanks Nathan, great video. Is Briar con is not cross platform? Is there any reason for that? I mean is an app like Briar can't be on IOS because of Apple limitations?
I would assume that is the case, but to be honest I don't know the technical reasons and limitations behind it. But yes, at this time, Briar is Android only (with a Windows desktop app in beta),
@@TheNewOil I think its gonna be the best if it is not that yet. its complicated yet and not simple to setup properly but if you are a pro its the best
Signal: that new piece of code "to fight spam" might be used for other things. Like metadata collection for a 3-letter agency. And what if it is a backdoor?
The sad thing is that you rarely - if ever - have a choice in instant messaging. Every country has a standard app. In Brazil, WhatsApp got popular circa 2012, even before they rolled-out e2ee, because of groups, pictures, and free text messages. It's practically compulsory ever since, and quite frankly, I'm glad we didn't end up with something even worse. A messaging app is only useful if there are others to message with it, chicken-and-egg problem. The only way to make your peers install a second app is being extra annoying (which, fortunately, I can be 😂)
As a first time viewer, who just has arrived from the weekly SR. If I may have two tiny technical suggestions: - The sound effects on picture change/ float in/out is terribly annoying. They really make the video hard to watch/listen. - The other is a smaller one. You should probably have a transparent reflexive reading board in front of the camera lens, because eye contact during reading would also improve the whole video.
Never heard of it before. 1) not open source, not eligible for consideration. 2) privacy policy is not at all privacy respecting. 3) questionable marketing.
@@TheNewOil Not all the criteria. This app are not open source. But for me I use so many years Threema . Now I use intensively TeleGuard. I’m more happy with this app than with Threema . I use this for ldr. Messaging is really important in ldr and video call. I try so many app over many years too. My choice is really this 3 messaging I say to you. Olvid is really good too but only for texting or secure call, example sex talking , no video call support yet. For xpal, I try this for a couple of weeks now in my ldr and so far is so fantastic for video calling.
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Phenomenal information, Nathan. Thank you for taking the time to do this review. You deserve more views and more subscribers. I shared with my network.
I have high hopes for SimpleX
Thanks for giving an honest review on each one of them!
Bruh... He didn't give a review of the less popular ones... Everything in this video is like a year old
16:05 signal app has option for bio/pin lock. an attacker with your unlocked phone cannot necessarily get into signal
Thanks for the video, but I would like to have some thing more explained like what are the differences between Session, Signal, SimpleX chat, Briar, Jami. Because, ok, you said that Session is anonymous and private but is not as secure, than Signal is secure and private but not anonymous, and SimpleX chat, Briar, Jami are P2P but what are the differences between them. And which should I use when I want to chat with my friends, family, etc. (people that I trust and know in real life), and second or the same for people that I don't trust that much. (sorry for my english)
There's a lot to this question. You might find my actual website more helpful: thenewoil.org/en/guides/less-important/messaging/. If that doesn't help, let me know.
@@TheNewOil link doesn’t work anymore
Fixed, thanks.
Signal is great dont get me wrong but it's major flaw is the phone number and contact access
Wire errata: wire is based in Switzerland, for legal privacy protection reasons, but has its server farm in Germany (just because the internet 2.0 is better there and much faster).
Very useful. Thanks! Might have to check out briar for those places where I can't get cell signal.
So basically we need Molly without phone and decentralized?
Session Private Messenger! No competition.
What about zangi how safe, 18:48
Never heard of it but doesn't sound promising.
I have a hard time trusting e2e encryption or any e2e with sensitive info. One has to trust the other end user will respect the privacy of the message and properly secure their device. For all we know, the message is getting sent to multiple devices owned by the user, some of which are either shared or easily accessible to others.
@@Vincent-Koltes Exactly. This is a greater issue with private communication, and it's not always a trust issue. A device can be compromised where there is no trust issue. The solution for me is to avoid communicating sensitive info online unless the risk warrants it.
That's part of a bigger problem though; meaning, one that a platform or piece of software can't solve. You obviously have to trust the other person and their ability to use their device. This is why one should practice "privacy first". You should have in-person knowledge of who you are talking to, what you're social contract with them is, and how you will be talking to them in the future.
Session is best
Thx for this very useful video!🙏🏼 It provided me some different views on messengers I already knew, as well as introduced me to messengers, I wasn’t aware of thus far.
Minor hint: the video setup, appearing you “just” reading off the content. Cheers!
Thanks for discussing Briar. Any thoughts on Silence? I think it's more known in Britain.
Rings a bell. Does it meet the criteria?
@@TheNewOil:
I just checked: _Silence encrypted SMS/MMS messenger_ is on F-droid but was last updated 3 years ago. Maybe it's an orphan. Sorry for the bum steer.
Been waiting for this one! Thanks, man. :) Really helpful for me to share with friends and family.
SimpleX chat ?
Wasn't eligible to be listed at the time I made the video. It's listed now.
*Great information, as always! Thank you, sir.*
superb! thank-you...
Unigram has a private chat option for Desktop.
Excellent video. I wish we also had more Voip options
What about bbm enterprise and signal?
Never heard of BBM Enterprise, and Signal was listed.
Good job, thanks man!
Re: Wire, there are a few minor errors here. (1) Wire is registered in and legally based in Switzerland, but most of its development team are in Germany. (2) Wire wasn't owned by an analytics company, it was partly owned by a venture capital fund that was also invested in an analytics company.
SimpleX vs Session vs Threema vs Signal would be interesting
Thanks Nathan, great video. Is Briar con is not cross platform? Is there any reason for that? I mean is an app like Briar can't be on IOS because of Apple limitations?
I would assume that is the case, but to be honest I don't know the technical reasons and limitations behind it. But yes, at this time, Briar is Android only (with a Windows desktop app in beta),
SIMPLEX???
It wasn't eligible for listing at the time I made this video.
@@TheNewOil I think its gonna be the best if it is not that yet. its complicated yet and not simple to setup properly but if you are a pro its the best
Signal: that new piece of code "to fight spam" might be used for other things.
Like metadata collection for a 3-letter agency. And what if it is a backdoor?
Thanks, Nathan. Love my Signal: So sweet!
SESSION IS NO 1 in being secure
The sad thing is that you rarely - if ever - have a choice in instant messaging.
Every country has a standard app. In Brazil, WhatsApp got popular circa 2012, even before they rolled-out e2ee, because of groups, pictures, and free text messages. It's practically compulsory ever since, and quite frankly, I'm glad we didn't end up with something even worse.
A messaging app is only useful if there are others to message with it, chicken-and-egg problem.
The only way to make your peers install a second app is being extra annoying (which, fortunately, I can be 😂)
As a first time viewer, who just has arrived from the weekly SR. If I may have two tiny technical suggestions:
- The sound effects on picture change/ float in/out is terribly annoying. They really make the video hard to watch/listen.
- The other is a smaller one. You should probably have a transparent reflexive reading board in front of the camera lens, because eye contact during reading would also improve the whole video.
Pls make a video about olvid messenger
Does it meet the criteria? gitlab.com/thenewoil/website/-/wikis/Encrypted-Messaging-Criteria
Where is DUST??? No one is listing. Can you take a look?
Never heard of it before. 1) not open source, not eligible for consideration. 2) privacy policy is not at all privacy respecting. 3) questionable marketing.
I didn't know about briar awesome review (☞ﾟヮﾟ)☞
Meshtastic, berty, session, Molly, briar.
The answer is Olvid.
Telegram full of shit adds and scams
How. About. Google. Messagerr.
I try all of this list, doesn't work great for my need. But you forget about, Xpal, Olvid, TeleGuard. For is the best messaging I never try so far.
I have never heard of any of these messengers. Do they meet the criteria? gitlab.com/thenewoil/website/-/wikis/Encrypted-Messaging-Criteria
@@TheNewOil Not all the criteria. This app are not open source. But for me I use so many years Threema . Now I use intensively TeleGuard. I’m more happy with this app than with Threema . I use this for ldr. Messaging is really important in ldr and video call. I try so many app over many years too. My choice is really this 3 messaging I say to you. Olvid is really good too but only for texting or secure call, example sex talking , no video call support yet. For xpal, I try this for a couple of weeks now in my ldr and so far is so fantastic for video calling.