I can only speak for myself, but buying the Scarlet W and the Gemini was one of the best choices in my life. Pretty happy with what the make possible for me. :) Good Video!
I owned a Scarlet-W and then I upgraded to a Gemini, they were both paid off after about 6 months because of some big jobs I had, but the camera itself wasn’t the reason I was getting the jobs. If you’re relying on standard rentals to pay for the camera, at an average of $350/day that’s 70+ rental days to pay it off. If you have the cash and just want to own the camera go for it, but if you’re looking at owning a Red as a profit center for your business that’s looking tougher every year especially with how saturated the rental market is. Just something to weigh when considering a purchase. Nothing wrong with renting when you need the camera, it’s totally a renters market now.
Best video I've seen, thanks so much. Is this better than the dragon x or what's the reason for going for the Gemini? I have a c200 but I want high fps at high resolutions
Both are 5k 35mm full frame sensors but the gemini has dual iso for low light recording, (ridiculous low light I might add, bordering on darkness) the dragon x does not. There are other differences but thats the biggie.
I’ll answer that question.... Don’t buy a Red unless you know specifically what you need a specific Red feature for. And no it’s not resolution. Ok it might be resolution if you need extreme cropping or post stabilization capabilities, but then there still better 6K options like the Venice, FX9 or Canon C500 mkII. See: yedlin.net/ResDemo/index.html for why you don’t need shot shoot any higher that 2.8K. If you know you want Redcode Raw and that goes far beyond I want to change ASA or white balance in post (because you can do that already with any decent 10Bit, 422, Log camera). When you have a colorist or an application that really requires you to shoot raw, than go for the Gemini. It’s the only RED camera I can actually condone. Because it’s not just a spec whore with not much more behind it. I really like how small it is and it’s got a great sensor size. But you will find cheaper more reliable options like: The Panasonic VariCam LT for about 10K. It’s got 800 and 5.000 dual native ASA and comes in an almost ready to shoot body. And it’s still more reliable than any RED even tho RED’s gotten much better at that. The Arri Amira for when you want the utmost ease of use and the best slow-mo implementation of any of those cameras. And lastly I want to mention, that if you know what you’re doing, and you are an actual pro and not just somebody who need expensive gear to cover up that you actually don’t have much of any skills, you can get to about 75-80% of what these cameras can deliver with a $2.000 Panasonic GH5s and some decent lenses. Remember that a cinema camera is merely a data collection device and doesn’t dictate the look of the image in any way. Color science is irrelevant because you can make your own color science and even bake it in with most cameras for a quick turnaround. Just don’t be a shopper who buys a camera just because it’s got the most Ks or because it records raw. Know what you need and buy the camera that makes your life the easiest. That why I think RED isn’t all that great, because they’re not as practical and reliable as they should be for the price and the only camera they’ve recently brought out that’s not just an 8K spec demo no one needs is the Gemini. Think about what kind of shooting experience you want to have.
There are several YT creators using RED and the results are fabulous!! Personally, I will buy this brand once they will come with run & shoot camera. I find 20K investment for my hobby to high and it will end standing in my room due to the wait of it.
I'm trying to decide between the gemini 5k and the dragon x 6k. I love the low light capability and the dual iso of the gemini, however it is at a lower resolution. Which one do you recommend? Thanks in advance.
Suppose to keep me safe that why I don't want it take me some time to trust anyone I feel the power know what ya are capabilites that's what I'm going to school for stop please of
Thanks Ghas, I have to go back to the project file. I do not have it here on my phone but I basically went into the Lumetri for contrast etc. and added one of the filters from Film Convert that are made for the GH5. It's a plugin to PP. Christoph
bit feedback. in review video I dont want to see object separation, blurry bokeh and focus hunting.. better to stop down a bit to see all the buttons and details properly :)
Hey Ali! I hope you're having a great day! We actually shot this video with our GH5 and I really don't see any clipped areas. Can you point out what exactly you mean? 😊✌🏼
We've shot this with the GH5 which was accidentally set to 1080p. Check out another video from the channel. All the videos shot with the RED are upload in 5K :)
Hi Christoph, i really enjoy your videos, but I don't understand why you waste so much time on this fancy beast. In 2008 the REDOne was a revolution, because we were able to shoot the highest quality footage without film, chemical processing and scanning. But today there are so many great alternatives that enable a faster and leaner workflow and more importantly require fewer logistics. Why are you investing so much effort in the visual quality instead of the speed and flexibility. This is the way to old work ;) I'm just asking because it feels like this camera might have jinxed you.
Alex Boerger I partly agree. We know that the RED is an overkill for RUclips. BUT! This is a beast of a camera. The large Super 35 Sensor paired with the ability to capture RAW video and change all the metadata in post is awesome! Also RED's Color science is great. It's just a very very pleasing image. Also since this camera is so modular its future proof for the next ten years at least. Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of what sony is doing with the A7/9 line and I'm a huge fan of the GH5. But this is just another league. The ability to capture 5K 75fps RAW is amazing! For me personally it's a great camera and I've worked with a lot of them.
Marcel Petzold I know the „beastness“ of the red, it’s like driving a tractor. Great if you need the power, but never try to find a parking spot. Any chance for me to visit you to shoot a behind the scene?
I have to disagree. It’s funny I was just telling one of my friends today that Red is the best camera you should go with (if you have the budget). Here’s why I take this position. Red is the only company that has a camera that is almost, if not, completely modular. Meaning I can buy a $14,000 Red Raven and upgrade it to a Scarlet-W or a Gemini or a Helium or a Monstro (for a price of course). That just mind blowing and very innovative. I mean how many times have you bought a camera only to find out the company is coming out with another camera. Your investment begins to dwindle day by day. You can change the handle, monitor, battery mounts and lens adapter and camera company’s like Sony, Arri and Cannon are moving there systems this way as well. They have no choice as the innovation of the DSMC2 can not be matched. We all know how good the Red image quality looks, the color science and the high frame rates. But when it comes to customers feeling like they have a camera they can keep for 10, 20, maybe 30 years from now the choice should be Red. As far as if he needs this camera or not is totally up to him but why not be prepared for a greater opportunity should one present itself. I think the Gemini was a great choice.
So basically the Brain itself is like $25K USD then you got all the extras on top to make it into a fully fledged weapon...I'm guessing like $40K USD+. The bank loan manager won't be impressed with me that's 4sure.
if you do research you'll find that red's use cheap china stuff in it and then sells it overpriced, i'd do research about that before buying this overpriced garbage, their 3.500$ screen has a 12 dollar screen from asia while it claims "made in usa" and such.
I can only speak for myself, but buying the Scarlet W and the Gemini was one of the best choices in my life. Pretty happy with what the make possible for me. :)
Good Video!
:)
Enjoyed your video, nice tips and quick overview. Enjoyed helpful sound recording advise and the monopod tip, those were fun and helpful. Thanks!
I was looking right now for a Red camera review and you just put out this video, insane timing ahah
Dont think of putting money in gutter
everything looks a bit over exposed... what going on there?
Heaps of blown out backgrounds.
I owned a Scarlet-W and then I upgraded to a Gemini, they were both paid off after about 6 months because of some big jobs I had, but the camera itself wasn’t the reason I was getting the jobs. If you’re relying on standard rentals to pay for the camera, at an average of $350/day that’s 70+ rental days to pay it off. If you have the cash and just want to own the camera go for it, but if you’re looking at owning a Red as a profit center for your business that’s looking tougher every year especially with how saturated the rental market is. Just something to weigh when considering a purchase. Nothing wrong with renting when you need the camera, it’s totally a renters market now.
Best video I've seen, thanks so much. Is this better than the dragon x or what's the reason for going for the Gemini? I have a c200 but I want high fps at high resolutions
Both are 5k 35mm full frame sensors but the gemini has dual iso for low light recording, (ridiculous low light I might add, bordering on darkness) the dragon x does not. There are other differences but thats the biggie.
Awesome low light performance. At long focal length. And high frame rate. And presumably full 5k resolution?
When you record 4k in cropped hd mode does the resultant image yield more detail than a non 4k hd image from another hd only camera ? Thanks
I’ll answer that question....
Don’t buy a Red unless you know specifically what you need a specific Red feature for. And no it’s not resolution. Ok it might be resolution if you need extreme cropping or post stabilization capabilities, but then there still better 6K options like the Venice, FX9 or Canon C500 mkII. See: yedlin.net/ResDemo/index.html for why you don’t need shot shoot any higher that 2.8K.
If you know you want Redcode Raw and that goes far beyond I want to change ASA or white balance in post (because you can do that already with any decent 10Bit, 422, Log camera). When you have a colorist or an application that really requires you to shoot raw, than go for the Gemini. It’s the only RED camera I can actually condone. Because it’s not just a spec whore with not much more behind it. I really like how small it is and it’s got a great sensor size. But you will find cheaper more reliable options like:
The Panasonic VariCam LT for about 10K. It’s got 800 and 5.000 dual native ASA and comes in an almost ready to shoot body. And it’s still more reliable than any RED even tho RED’s gotten much better at that.
The Arri Amira for when you want the utmost ease of use and the best slow-mo implementation of any of those cameras.
And lastly I want to mention, that if you know what you’re doing, and you are an actual pro and not just somebody who need expensive gear to cover up that you actually don’t have much of any skills, you can get to about 75-80% of what these cameras can deliver with a $2.000 Panasonic GH5s and some decent lenses. Remember that a cinema camera is merely a data collection device and doesn’t dictate the look of the image in any way. Color science is irrelevant because you can make your own color science and even bake it in with most cameras for a quick turnaround. Just don’t be a shopper who buys a camera just because it’s got the most Ks or because it records raw. Know what you need and buy the camera that makes your life the easiest. That why I think RED isn’t all that great, because they’re not as practical and reliable as they should be for the price and the only camera they’ve recently brought out that’s not just an 8K spec demo no one needs is the Gemini. Think about what kind of shooting experience you want to have.
There are several YT creators using RED and the results are fabulous!! Personally, I will buy this brand once they will come with run & shoot camera. I find 20K investment for my hobby to high and it will end standing in my room due to the wait of it.
thank you :) iam waiting for my gemini and hope to learn more from you guys !!!
I'm trying to decide between the gemini 5k and the dragon x 6k. I love the low light capability and the dual iso of the gemini, however it is at a lower resolution. Which one do you recommend? Thanks in advance.
Get the cheaper one.
Really needed this video, thanks🙌🏾
Glad to hear that. Thanks!
Why cant you just use a regular SSD? What makes these SSD's so special?
its so special because of the red casing
love the internal ND system !!!
Same here. Best in the Market!
Thanks for the Video 👌🏻
Just a crazy camera!!
I'd be interested to know where you get the music from that you use for the videos ... ?
Most of the TIme from Epidemic Sound or Artlist.io :)
Christoph Magnussen thanks 👍
Suppose to keep me safe that why I don't want it take me some time to trust anyone I feel the power know what ya are capabilites that's what I'm going to school for stop please of
did u captured this video with gh5? what was the profile setting? can u share please. & the color grading was amazing. can share this too.
Thanks Ghas, I have to go back to the project file. I do not have it here on my phone but I basically went into the Lumetri for contrast etc. and added one of the filters from Film Convert that are made for the GH5. It's a plugin to PP. Christoph
I am unable to find the "hot shoe" you refer to for audio? Is this a phantom power converter?
Best red video I've seen. Now I know I don't need a RED. I need an Ursa mini pro 4.6k. I just wish it had the size of the red :(
:D
Thanks for the comparison details.
does this camera crop the sensor in slowmotion or other circurmstances ?
Hi Pedro! It does crop when you change the resolution. :)
I like how you say power SAUCE.
Short answer NO.
Jenni tech told not buy RED. I agree
I will ask Jinni Tech first they seem to push Red to do certain things like changing their corp name to avoid the lawsuit from Jinni Tech lol.
bit feedback. in review video I dont want to see object separation, blurry bokeh and focus hunting.. better to stop down a bit to see all the buttons and details properly :)
thx man, next time. I hope it was still helpful
I'LL NEVER BUY A RED UNTIL IT HAS XLR INPUTS WITH PHANTOM POWER AND BUILT IN VARIABLE ND.
Red ranger?
Clipped highlights all over.. and you use Red.. ugh!
Hey Ali! I hope you're having a great day! We actually shot this video with our GH5 and I really don't see any clipped areas. Can you point out what exactly you mean? 😊✌🏼
@@marcelpetzold the whole thing is blasted
Good
Thank you :)
When you make a vlog with a RED. 🤦♂️😂🎥
:)
and you upload in 1080p............
We've shot this with the GH5 which was accidentally set to 1080p. Check out another video from the channel. All the videos shot with the RED are upload in 5K :)
Watch the videos about RED MAGS.. ordinary low quality SSD in an expensive box...
Don Braga the “r” in red stands for ripoff
Shooting youtube videos in RED
As a wise man said... there is no reason not to shot with a RED... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@christophmagnussen you know exactly what I mean... 100% respect tho.
:)
Christoph Magnussen
Who is this wise man?
Hi Christoph, i really enjoy your videos, but I don't understand why you waste so much time on this fancy beast. In 2008 the REDOne was a revolution, because we were able to shoot the highest quality footage without film, chemical processing and scanning. But today there are so many great alternatives that enable a faster and leaner workflow and more importantly require fewer logistics. Why are you investing so much effort in the visual quality instead of the speed and flexibility. This is the way to old work ;) I'm just asking because it feels like this camera might have jinxed you.
Alex Boerger I partly agree. We know that the RED is an overkill for RUclips.
BUT! This is a beast of a camera. The large Super 35 Sensor paired with the ability to capture RAW video and change all the metadata in post is awesome! Also RED's Color science is great. It's just a very very pleasing image. Also since this camera is so modular its future proof for the next ten years at least.
Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of what sony is doing with the A7/9 line and I'm a huge fan of the GH5. But this is just another league. The ability to capture 5K 75fps RAW is amazing!
For me personally it's a great camera and I've worked with a lot of them.
Also don't forget that we're producing numerous videos for clients. :)
And it's Approved for Netflix ;)
Marcel Petzold I know the „beastness“ of the red, it’s like driving a tractor. Great if you need the power, but never try to find a parking spot. Any chance for me to visit you to shoot a behind the scene?
I have to disagree. It’s funny I was just telling one of my friends today that Red is the best camera you should go with (if you have the budget). Here’s why I take this position. Red is the only company that has a camera that is almost, if not, completely modular. Meaning I can buy a $14,000 Red Raven and upgrade it to a Scarlet-W or a Gemini or a Helium or a Monstro (for a price of course). That just mind blowing and very innovative. I mean how many times have you bought a camera only to find out the company is coming out with another camera. Your investment begins to dwindle day by day. You can change the handle, monitor, battery mounts and lens adapter
and camera company’s like Sony, Arri and Cannon are moving there systems this way as well. They have no choice as the innovation of the DSMC2 can not be matched. We all know how good the Red image quality looks, the color science and the high frame rates. But when it comes to customers feeling like they have a camera they can keep for 10, 20, maybe 30 years from now the choice should be Red. As far as if he needs this camera or not is totally up to him but why not be prepared for a greater opportunity should one present itself. I think the Gemini was a great choice.
2k for 1080p monitor is Insane Red monitors suck
Word. But it’s a long time ago
So basically the Brain itself is like $25K USD then you got all the extras on top to make it into a fully fledged weapon...I'm guessing like $40K USD+.
The bank loan manager won't be impressed with me that's 4sure.
It was around $30K for us. The Brain is $19,5k :)
Thanks . I look forward to seeing your creative work on the RED.@@christophmagnussen
if you do research you'll find that red's use cheap china stuff in it and then sells it overpriced, i'd do research about that before buying this overpriced garbage, their 3.500$ screen has a 12 dollar screen from asia while it claims "made in usa" and such.
its just too expensive...........would never feel comfortable using it. its also horribly shaped.......its a terrible design format.
You should always work with the tools you like, I just present options :)
When you can afford a RED but your shots are TRASH!
Thanks XCS for your feedback. We are always improving our process!