The Ford F-150 Lightning is a Giant Power Station You Can Drive - Two Takes
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The new F-150 LIghtning EV is one of the most hotly anticipated trucks of all time. On the one hand, it's one of the largest battery packs ever sold to consumers for any reason, able to power not only regular electronics, cookware, and computers, but also industrial-grade power tools, while putting down scorching acceleration numbers with decent range! On the other hand, it's just an F-150! Not everyone wants a futuristic egg or post-apocalyptic Total Recall movie prop - some folks want a usable truck that's kinda like what they already have, just electric! Zack and Matt spend a week in Colorado with the F150 lightning learning everything there is to know about it and came away super impressed!
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The Ford F-150 Lightning is a Giant Power Station You Can Drive - Two Takes
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I got mine a couple weeks back (Lariat extended range) and have been using it to move to a new house ~40 miles away, pulling a 6x10 trailer. It's my third F-150 and 13th Ford truck. I also own a Tesla Model 3. Ford did a really great job with their first crack at an electric truck and I'm super happy with mine.
How much range loss would you say you had on that 40 mile trip with the trailer loaded vs no trailer
@@wesd991 I believe others are seeing a drop of about half the range. Depends on the weight of the trailer, and the aerodynamic efficiency of the trailer as well.
Check out fast lane truck. They did a test with a standard caravan and the range was a joke
@@TheBlackWaltz that was towing a much bigger trailer. A 6x10 is a wee thing.
@@scott4427 that's why I said depends on the weight
Local gardener would love this. Especially with electric lawnmowers, edgers, leaf blowers. Could tow everything and charge it as well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, this is going to be the truck people want. Mainly because it looks like a regular truck and is competitively priced against any other truck. And it's probably going to attract more first time truck buyers than anything.
They're garbage for towing though, which is why I would buy a truck this size.
Also the luxury versions are very nice especially the 21 and up models. I compare them to a previous gen Range Rovers in terms of quietness and overall comfort.
@@GOPACKERSJT any EV is going to suffer for towing range. That why I suspect it will attract many first time truck buyers.
@@GOPACKERSJT Be honest here. Have you ever seen anyone ever tow anything with a Lightning? I haven't. And I'm not trying to defend EVs. I dread the future where EVs will be everywhere. Soulless garbage for me. But the truth of the matter is that most people with trucks don't actually don't do truck things.
@@GOPACKERSJT down here in florida id say it’s probably 70/30 people who dont tow on a regular basis vs people who tow.
When i was in New York typically you didn’t have a truck unless you towed because the size made it more work to get around and park.
The smoking tire podcast is really great for anyone who doesn’t already listen. Crew shows are great and Roger is the best guest hands down.
You do get a 240v and backup power with the smaller battery, you just need the "Pro Power Onboard" option, which comes with the max trailer tow package on the lowest spec Pro trim.
The Pro is a hell of a deal
Have had our 2000 F150, 7700 Lariat for 21 years, best truck so far 300,000 and still runs badass, got to love Ford
Hey guys great review! I was fortunate enough to have a buddy with a hookup at his dealership and I got to drive the absolute base trim with vinyl floors! It absolutely ripped, I bet there is a big weight difference with it being so stripped down.
I'm a F150 driver and the Lighting with be my next F150, many many years from now! My plan is to drive my current 2016 model with the 5.0/6 speed powertrain into the ground. It's still in really good shape, gets reasonable fuel mileage and shouldn't break me financially running up the miles. Hoping by the time its worn out the technology is a bit more developed and proven in colder climates, up here in Canada Eh!, and charging network and infrastructure in place.
Smart move. Once the battery technology, range and charging times get better it’s the nail in the coffin for ICE powered vehicles. The transition will happen faster than the experts predict.
Great video, love the bird and lizard cams lol.
Love the video Matt and The Smoking Tire podcasts been looking forward to this one for a while
Thanks for the awesome real life test. I am glad you covered the towing shortcomings I am sure someday battery technology will be there but it is simply just not there Yet!
I just love all the power hookups for a race track service vehicle. Wouldn't need to bring a generator just to charge impacts and run lights at a night time rally service. Could actually power high power electronics as well since the included inverter on my F150 is a ~400w unit as well. But yeah, I didn't think about the difficulty of charging at charging stations with a trailer. It might not be as much of a pain to disconnect a small car/boat trailer. But if you're doing something like an RV or longer enclosed trailer that can be an issue to disconnect and charge. Even a pull through station would cause issues of blocking charging ports for others. Are there extensions for charging cables? Or is that an issue of power losses over the gage of charging cable?
I got mine on Friday and after driving and using it for the weekend, this review is spot on! Thanks for the great, honest review. Although, it was funny...several people who I had sit inside of it said they liked to have the traditional drive selector...
How is the ride comfort over rough roads? TFL channel says it rides like a comfy old Cadillac, but Matt seemed to hint here that the ride quality is not good.
@@joemcdonough7509 Maybe if you are used to a truck with upgraded suspension or a Raptor or TRX or something it is of course worse than that (I suspect that Matt has driven those and comparing it to a real off-road truck). For me, it feels nice. I haven't gone serious "off-roading" with it yet...but so far it feels great to me. I am also coming for a 2022 Mustang Mach-E GT and a Ford Edge before it so this feels like a dream on bumpy roads compared to those...
@@donaldwright7194 Actually I'm glad to hear that. I avoided trucks for a long time due to the leaf suspension which causes constant jitters when the bed is empty. I much prefer a soft compliant ride.
4:09 all of Texas after hearing this 🤠🤠🤠
This will get the real truck people in America. Rivian is cool, but maybe too cool and too modern. This seems like the Real work Americans would love it.
No longer do you need to keep your dip can in your ladies water cup holder, lighting has you covered… and Electric stuff too! Built Ford Tough
the rivian is more for the lifestyle crowd
@@ShaiyanHossain the rivian seems to be more focused on Europe, it's the size of European trucks as well.
@@Vergeetmenietje The rivian is about 3 inches wider than that F-150 actually, And as far as I know is actually larger in every other dimension than a Tacoma... It's one of the larger midsize trucks you can get in the US market right now
Cool review of the ford lightning pickup. Im not into pickups nor am a huge ford fan over the years yet your review showed me how impressive fords electric vehicle efforts are. Thank you
A well spec XLT or Lariat with extended battery is where is at. Nicer interior than the base model but still bellow 80k. Most trucks are just people movers and with 300 miles it'll be more than enough specially for first time truck buyers.
I’m in my mid 50’s so a $75-$95k pickup for a commuter, weekend hobbies and trips to the home improvement store are not in my wheelhouse……especially since it won’t fit in my garage. I’m all for the change to electric vehicles but for me I want the infrastructure in place that the U.S. is lacking before I pull the plug on gasoline powered…👍
Excellent and informative video Gentlemen!
For the love of god, why is there a giant whip antenna on a vehicle in 2022? Is there a HAM radio built in to that B&O sound system?
In case someone needs to fence with a rivian owner....duh😁
@@CitiZen1.0.1 lol, exactly, or I'm sure ford marketing could spin it as a built in marshmallow roasting utensil
This was a really good idea for a story/review.
All that money I put into building a monster street mustang just to get bodied at stop lights by a full size pickup. What a time to be alive.
Hey hey atleast you will be grinning ear to ear listening to that v8 soundtrack
@@wesd991 did the gt350 manifold swap so it revs over 8k so you’re right on that one.
just dropping in to say i absolutely loved the PP podcasts
Matt's words at 23:00 is the gospel. You can tell he is detailed and put his time in.
I have an $54k SR XLT Lightning scheduled to be built next week. I feel it’s the sweet spot and offers the best bang for the buck. For my driving habits the 230 mile range from the standard pack is plenty. The $10k ER battery pack only gets you an extra 70 miles of range.
Lightning is for middle America. R1T is a lifestyle pickup. It’s so great to finally have BEV pickup choices!
Come back on pka Matt! Wanted to see this truck and looked up your video because of the show!
The trend of giant touchscreens on the dash can not go away soon enough.
My golf clubs and Publix and visiting my family in Ocala. I hate fishing because I lived in Alaska so camping is definitely the Hampton Inn because of free breakfasts. And since I was in the Coast Guard if it doesn’t have a buffet or casino it’s not seaworthy. LMAO!!!!
Great review. Love the insight on towing, and the sheer utility of it. Sounds like they nailed it right out of the box. It's like Snapple making fresh brewed tea, but then when lipton gets into the mix, you realise just how shitty Snapple was, although you are glad they pushed the incumbents to get off their ass.
With the larger battery, you can order dual onboard chargers. The SunRun home setup is less than 4K but I've seen competitors around 3K.
These are the vehicles that will pull over more buyers. If you are pro EV, you likely already own one. The next phase of buyers are people who are on the fence but want something familiar.
I wish they made a "non-pickup" version of this. As weird as it may sound ... something like this, but ditch the bed. The cab is more than big enough as it is. There's already loads of room. Most people that buy pickups don't use em like that anyway.
You can't leave stuff in the back, it will get damaged/wet/stolen.
It would be a very nice vehicle.
Best truck ever! As long as you don't have to tow anything.
13:43 American pronouncing "route" correctly. Kudos, Zach.
A hybrid truck makes more sense. Gets ride of the range anxiety and allows flexibility between towing, light duty, and off-road. Put a 300 hp turbo 4 in the front with a 200 hp electric motor in the back.
Will someone allow for vehicle to load, though? A PHEV pack should be find for that, but you need to arrive at a camp/construction sight with full battery and some gas left, for comfort.
It makes sense to split the drivertrain front-back, but you can more easily get full regen from the front axle. Especially when your hybrid side is not shy with peak regen power. You don't want a drive shaft to the back, though.
In the Koenigsegg Gemera hybrid, they did put the engine on the opposite end from its driven axle, but the engine is back, driving the front wheels only. They stuck electric motors on both axles, though, their hybrid battery definitely is not shy for power. Motors are not THAT expensive, one might slap one on the engine as well, get front axle regen AND superb traction, AWD EV-only mode crawling (you know you want it) and then perhaps drop some weight from the tranny as you're going to be e-assisted for torque most all of the time anyway. The Koenigsegg Gemera doesn't have more than one gear and a torque converter. This really might work fine in a diesel truck. Reduce top speed to like 105 mph and you'll have plenty off the line oomph with a torque converter.
Perfect shop truck for WCCS!
I really think a plug in hybrid would be the way to go for now. Their smaller batteries are tons cheaper to replace too.
Volt setup is the move the F150 could be setup with the 2.3 turbo from the ranger with electric motors to assist. Even just 30miles of all EV range would be awesome.
If i can plug in my house and run it off the engine when the battery ran out would be cool.
What’s the charge time from fairly low on the level 2 charger?
it’s crazy how much better this is than the cyberturd, shame it’s so expensive tho.
Sounds impressive, like a rolling power station. Frunk is the best example I've seen on an EV.
Finally wearing a Panerai! Awesome.
Last time I was at Pikes Peak the road was gravel I'm old lol.
I wouldn't buy this to tow anything I'd rather but the 7.3 diesel, and I'm betting most people would too
I wonder how much faster it drains the battery when your towing something heavy. This is more for people who want to drive a truck without driving a truck, and say look eco friendly I am.
Exactly my thoughts on this and the rivian. For non truck people without having the shock at the gas station
Check out fast lane truck. They did this test and the range was hilariously bad
TFL did a test towing a 6,000 pound toy hauler trailer that was empty, their brand new Ford Lightening with the extended range battery could only go 86 miles before they had to stop and recharge it, that was from a 100% full charge starting off and when they reached the charging station they were down to just 9% battery charge left. This is what the electric vehicle crowd never want to talk about.
Out of spec did a test towing a U-Haul flat bed trailer with a water tote strapped in it, they spent 19 hours driving from one charging station to the other and would only charge enough to get them to the next charging station.
So there you go two different sites doing two different tests and the Ford Lightning failed to be practical in both tests.
The towing problem is easy to solve you only need to use logic and think first before you go to hook up the trailer. Like it or not EV is the future.
I'm surprised to hear Matt say he didn't like the fold down gear selector. So I love old center gear selectors cause I can put my arm them, but I love mines being able to fold down. It seems gimmicky at first, but it's hard to use my laptop without scooting my seat back due to the steering wheel, putting my stuff there is right within reach and I can be pretty comfortable. Same thing with Food. Definitely use this so often when having lunch in my truck.
In the podcast he said it was the cheap plasticy feel of the gear selector he didn't like, not the actual existence of the selector
@@JDMism Ah yeah, that I do agree with. The gearing inside the mechanism does feel like cheap plastic, sometimes it feels like its slipping gears when shifting.
There’s just no reason to have a gear selector, there’s no transmission so having a console mounted shift lever is just a waste of space
A bed….. And a frunk! Trucks just leveled up.
A correction- Standard battery can still do bi-directional charging to power your home. You just have to pay to activate it and purchase the Ford Pro Charger separately. It's $1300 on its own or free with an extended battery.
Great review and viewpoints from both sides of the table. 👍🏻
Funny, in Europe there are a bunch of charge locations with tow friendly stall. Not as a rule, but it's a thing for sure.
In Europe you can't tow anything with anything over 50 mph, that may help so much with range that towing becomes more prevant. And we love our caravans. Nobody loves to drive far with a caravan, though.
Dude, recently saw a VW Golf towing a decent size trailer in Ireland!
Most European cars are compacts, mid size, and not built totow. Yet many do!
Will any PHEV allow for vehicle to load? A PHEV pack should be find for that, but you need to arrive at a camp/construction sight with full battery and some gas left, for comfort.
It makes sense to split the drivertrain front-back, but you can more easily get full regen from the front axle. Especially when your hybrid side is not shy with peak regen power. You don't want a drive shaft to the back, though.
In the Koenigsegg Gemera hybrid, they did put the engine on the opposite end from its driven axle, but the engine is back, driving the front wheels only. They stuck electric motors on both axles, though, their hybrid battery definitely is not shy for power. Motors are not THAT expensive, one might slap one on the engine as well, get front axle regen AND superb traction, AWD EV-only mode crawling (you know you want it) and then perhaps drop some weight from the tranny as you're going to be e-assisted for torque most all of the time anyway. The Koenigsegg Gemera doesn't have more than one gear and a torque converter. This really might work fine in a diesel truck. Reduce top speed to like 105 mph and you'll have plenty off the line oomph with a torque converter.
One interesting thing about the Lightning is that it's not only the 1st electric F-150, it's also the first F-150 with independent rear suspension. It's probably the first full-size truck EVER to use it, honestly. You'd think that the IRS and low CG would translate to a smoother, more stable ride over the ICE F-150. There's really no improvement?
really appreciated the lizard cam LMAO
this is definitely a work truck as compared to the rivian truck which is a fun truck
Should you really get a lightning or is the hybrid actually a better buy? You still get lots of power but you dont need to charge...
Local gardener would love this.
I want to hear more about the avocado colors!
gotta love the youtuber face LOL
Ty
Lots of storage for road trips, except for the fact that you can’t take a road trip because at most you can go 320 miles before having to cut the road trip short.
You know you can recharge it right? These cars are not disposable after 320 miles…
@@TommyLGarage Nope. You can only drive a vehicle as far as it will go on one charge. Then it’s into the trash can.
I think the Lightning has "fun" handling, just for different reasons :D
Wtf I’ve not been shown the past two videos In my subscriptions with notifications-on! RUclips playing
Can you get it with wheels that don't look dumb though?
If you turn the wheel on its side it's a cup holder!
Lizard cam lol! That was great. Hey guys, please export your projects at higher bitrates. For some reason the quality of the video was a bit crappy even at max resolution. Just a tip!
Lightning vs Rivian. The Lightning is roomier on the inside and from a legacy manufacturer much more likely to be around, and able to service/provide warranty, than the upstart.
Should handle a bit better with the independent rear
The fleshlight truck, the truck of the future. All the dudes want it
Could you have gotten Galpin Autosports to sponsor the truck?
Best Home Depot runner out there....now if you actually want to tow distances you are better off with ICE
Seems like based upon their comments, this is a more useful option to have compared to the Rivian, which just seems more of a lifestyle vehicle only.
"You can hold a bunch more shit". Love it. :)
First and foremost i have never driven any of those. But as per my research looks like that Rivian is an electrick truck and lighting is a truck that was turn electric. If you understand what this means you know lighting is a better truck but Rivian is a better electric truck.
What you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it.
The Roubion looks like a spaceship this looks like a real work truck, Less style more function
I wouldn't mind a ranger ev, or maverick ev. F150 is just too big for my uses. But great job.
Cool truck it’s just a little before it’s time.
I hope we get to see more Lizard Cams in the future!
If you're going to purchase a lightning why not purchase the trim that has everything included. With all the other trims with the available options you're in the low 80's and you still haven't got everything that the platinum has. At 72 I doubt if I'll be purchasing another vehicle. And with our dollar depreciating right in front of our eyes, what better place to put your money as an investment. I'm purchasing mine at MSRP. As I call around for comparisons, nearly all dealers I've spoken with tell me they will sell their mannequin after they've had it for 6 months, that's a 6 month old vehicle with possibly 8000+ miles and 6 months off the warranty, GET THIS, most say they will be selling their mannequin at $20k over MSRP. So I figure this isn't like any other new vehicle I've purchased, where the moment I drive it off the lot it loses at least $2k of its value. Not this one, off the lot, the value increases $20k - $40k. Probably the best investment I've ever made.
But which one is better for offroad?
When my diesel truck family talks bad about evs, I will show them this video.
Until you want to tow ANYTHING.
They’ll call you a communist and say Let’s Go Brandon a bunch
@@R17759 LGB
Sounds like smart folks
If they can bring this (or a Ranger equivalent) to Australia for under $100k AUD, they will sell A LOT of them
We have to fight. Because u made me want this thing so bad. I hate 6cyl trucks but the fact that I like an electric truck is insane 🤣.
And I was thinking it was gonna be 100-110k 90k isn't that bad. (I'm poor, so I cant afford that yet but still, maybe I can get one in a year or 2).
What made Prius so successful? It’s weird and quirky design.
What will make Lightning successful? It’s regular design. Ford knows that EVs carry that hippy über-progressive connotation, and Fords customer base is more….”traditional”. They don’t want something that’s going to make them stand out too much from the next truck.
I think they’ll be adopted by fleets once proven. Rarely towing, fixed daily radius. Pretty ideal use case.
Idk if its been said a ton, but Ford isn’t a startup and I sure as shit wouldn’t trust rivian and definitely don’t trust tesla (rated like 27th out of 28 in reliability in the us market) but this is maybe the first EV id buy… coming from a Land Cruiser guy.
The rolling blackouts and crappy grid is largely just a California thing.
I'm here, let's light it up
The only EV I would want is the Lightning Pro and its surprisingly affordable. But EV's are stupid for me because we do road trips in our 2008 F150 and charging times are silly for real trips.
How far do you travel? Asking cause if you are doing road trips with family you are probably stopping at every top off for a stretch, something to eat, etc...that would just become your charging time...it a net sense how much time would you actually lose on the road trip?
The f150 lightning starts out at like 38 grand. At that price it’s kind of enticing, but the Rivian is significantly more expensive. It’s kind of apples to oranges here.
We really need to see what a bottom of the barrel Lightning can do, against a similar price (say over 3 years to run) regular F150 or any competing truck. Providing they get the EV stuff on this right, maintenance of powertrain and brakes should be a breeze compared to a gas truck. If you can fill up on home electricity most days and only hit fast chargers on 200+ mile days (how many a year does one get?), you're saving a lot va gas in the "great reset" world where you're not supposed to have nice stuff, or even food.
He was comparing a 90k model to the rivian though.
@@TheBlackWaltz yea I get that, my point is there’s options for everybody on the f150, but there really isn’t with the rivian.
@@DayoftheJakeL The Lightning Work Pro model comes with the standard battery which at best under perfect conditions only has 210 miles of range. You have to be a fleet buyer to get the extended range battery in the entry level Ford Lighting currently so unless you qualify as a fleet buyer you can't get the extended range battery, oh and add another $10,000 dollars to the price of that entry level Lightning for that extended range battery.
I love our Teslas, but I'm really excited about what Ford is doing. Biggest plus of the Teslas is we're getting great longevity from the batteries, unlike our Nissan Leafs. If Ford and others can make a battery that lasts 200,000 miles or more, that's great news for widespread adoption.
As a Tesla owner, I also feel this is the best all around EV you can buy on the market. I'm not even a fan of big trucks, but this one wows me. I believe the key to long term battery life is keeping the temps regulated via active cooling systems, and maintaining battery charges between 20-80%. That's why I am a firm believer in spending the extra money in getting the largest battery pack, and rarely go outside that charge range.
I keep my 2015 Model S battery state between 45-60% at almost all times. That is plenty of range to do my daily errands and still not have to worry if the vehicle sits for days within that range. Lithium batteries are at its lowest stress point when it's near 50%. 7 years in, the motor/battery have been rock solid reliable, with a loss of 12% of its original capacity. Even with that loss, I can count on my fingers the number of times I've had range anxiety. With new superchargers popping up every year, that anxiety gets less and less over time. When I bought the car 3 years ago, I had to drive 45 minutes to get to a supercharger, now there's one 10 minutes from my house.
Just don't ask me about the endless rattles and fit/finish, that's a major problem that still exists today with Tesla.
The Lightning is 1 second slower than a Rivian and that's "a little slower". But it's 1 second faster than a Raptor which is a "ton faster". 😂 1 second is a HUGE gap. Second statement is correct.
I actually do agree with you and am not trying to debate your point. I am gonna cut Matt some slack here and guess that he's speaking from the way it "feels" because the "1 second" difference between the Rivian vs Lightning is electric vs electric, whereas the Lightning vs Raptor is electric vs ICE, and electric cars tend to feel a lot faster than an ICE with identical performance numbers "in real life" (i.e. non-launch, non-track situations where you are not always in the ideal power band/gear of an ICE).
I am not an electric car fanboy - my personal car is a BRZ (manual). That said, even a base Model Y "feels" faster driving on public roads (again, not track) than, say a 981 Boxter S (based on my own experience).
@@pkennethv these are unscripted, essentially live reviews. I'm not giving Matt shit. It was just funny.
@@illegalmachine I appreciate you being a reasonable person😊
The biggest downside is the towing. One reviewer said you only get 100 miles of range when towing. This is a killer for a lot of us who use trucks for more than occasional Costco runs.
All the reviews I have seen so far don't talk about what happens to the range when you fill up the bed with hundreds of pounds of Construction stuff.
A great start but really expensive and limited towing.
There are SOO many people who tow their boat or camper to a place more than 50 mi from home, which is as far as you can go because almost no campsites/boat launches have EV chargers. If you live near NYC for example, the camping/hiking/boating areas in the Catskills are 2-4 hours away by highway. How far from LA are those canyons where this channel does its test drives?
Oh you're talking about TFL and the video where everybody says it's only good for a hundred miles. Yeah well out of spec reviews took a 5500 lb trailer And got 130 to 145 mi range. Just because TFL ran the biggest camper they can find uphill doesn't mean that's gospel
@@tn18977 Yup. A real issue
@@kubeanie18 Others have said 100 miles when towing. Then add on a fully loaded truck, and it's a real problem
There have been a few range tests where they loaded up the bed. Basically, the truck is so heavy empty that any added weight in the bed barely effects it. Even the range reduction from towing isn't about weight as much as it is about greatly increased air resistance.
Can’t roast the tires off a dig? Faster than a Raptor R?
so when are they gonna build more electricity power plants... for all of these evs coming out...texas is already asking ev drivers to lighten up on the charging
I have a track friend with a Rivian.
It's so dope!
What about deer? It's so quiet they won't hear it coming. Did Ford think of that, or should I get some of those deer whistles?
Its not like deer move at the sound of a vehicle. They tend to freeze.
What is a plaunch?
Plancha, it's a griddle
Send it to Europe!
A nissan kicks has a headrest speaker
I still feel like it’s a marketing miss to name this thing the Lightning when the Lightning is already an established nameplate.
The first Lightning was fast, which makes sense, this Lightning is fast AND electric, so it makes twice as much sense.
I will be interested to see what the "Lightning Raptor" is like!
There’s alot of useful comments here, but this has to be the dumbest, when you get struck by lightning ask ben franklin about electricity when you meet him.
If you slam this thing you probably will get better range 🙃. Would look sick too
but can it tow? and how many miles when fully loaded?
Seen a review and barely got 100 miles
@@matthewgrear3260 yeah I've seen a review with two people in the truck and a 5500 lb trailer and they got 130 to 145 miles. I wouldn't quote TFL
The Cholula though!?!?!?
I’m a Chevy guy but this is cool however don’t text and drive but screen bigger than a cinder block. Rather be old school don’t need a movie theater I watch TV at home or on my phone.