This is a long and detailed video - set aside some time to watch it fully, there’s some important info here that isn’t available from the regular sources. I really hope this video is valuable to potential owners and switchers.
Great Job Kier !!! was on the fence , once i had a chance to play both (( new M and EX version )) the decision was simple , you definitely nailed it on the head 2 head comparison , thanks , I am totally a subscriber now for my pea brain to learn as much as I can from someone as skilled as you
Thanks for this excellent video! (Being an IT guy myself) I never thought that there is anyone else in the world who analizes user interface at this level and with such perfection! As an ex-Fantom owner, I can confirm all the facts of this video. I wonder why the manufacturers do not use feedbacks and resources like this in the UI development. It wouldn't be so hard to get rid of the weaknesses and get closer to a perfect UI. I am not sure if you mentioned that the black and red boxes diplayed on the Fantom screen block/freeze the rest of the touchscreen, so if you are about to set anything on the screen and move a real-time synth controller, all you can do is to wait until that boxes disappear. Working with seq - which intended to be a fast real-time tool to build-up patterns and songs, these boxes also interrupt the process. It was so annoying, these boxes played a big part in the decision for me to sell my Fantom.
Wow, I haven’t noticed the modality of the on-screen red boxes but now that you’ve pointed it out I can’t unsee it! Glad you liked the analysis - as an interface designer myself, I find so many design decisions in synthesizers frustrating and nonsensical, and Yamaha is not excused here, but from the perspective of an overall concept for an instrument, Montage has the edge over the “box of bits” Fantom approach :)
I actually like the boxes, as it can sometimes be non-obvious what parameter you are actually editing when working with a multi-zone scene, but the fact that they are modal (blocks other input) is a real downer.
@@KierDarby It could be somewhere off-center of the screen. In the top row for example. When editing an EG or filter it could come handy but when it only confirms something like transpose or similar, it just takes my valuable time. Maybe I want to see the confirmation on the first week, but not each and every time I do something.
To be musician is not enough to understand all features about these two maschines. You must also be technical engineer, IT and musician. You have made excellent video mate covering all details and covering all audience. Thanks for hard work. BIG, BIG, LIKE to this video
Thank you! I do agree that these are enormously complex instruments, and they have a very steep learning curve if you want to produce results comparable to the preset performances.
This is the best video on both synths I've seen so far. Well structured, no filler, all the important information in clear and concise words, plus excellent and helpful screenshots. Thank you very much for doing this. Subscribed.
Looks to me like the Montage wipes the floor out with the Fantom. I have both here but never went this deep with knowing these instruments, limiting myself to use presents only, so thank you for this great comparison work you’ve done. The fact that you are also a software engineer, explains the high quality of your work 😉
I hope it didn’t come across that the Montage wipes the floor with Fantom, as that wasn’t my intention. Certainly my preferred system is Montage, but there are plenty of things Fantom does as well if not better. Just not the things that matter to me :)
@@KierDarby well, it’s not your video that makes me feel like that. It is actually how I feel when using these two. I will not sell my Fantom because I believe Roland is doing a great job creating expansions to the system and because the sound is really good, but just like you said, If I could afford only one, it would be the Montage.
Fantom is better for playing/touring on stage because it’s more streamlined and way lighter. For the other stuff, Montage is better even if more complicated to use. I like Montage more.
@awesomereviews1561 strange that you mention the Fantom being lighter - Fantom 6 is 15.3KG while Montage 6 is 300g lighter at 15.0KG. The only Fantom that is lighter than Montage is the Fantom 8 at 27.7KG against the Montage 8’s 29KG - but at these colossal sizes nobody is going to notice that 1.3KG difference. Of course, the Fantom 0 series is much lighter, but these should be compared to the Yamaha MODX, not the Montage.
For software developers that, like myself, like synths: The tones are given by reference on the fantom scenes, while in the montage it’s given by value 😊
Yes absolutely - and for the most part that would be my preferred approach for everything, but in the case of sounds on synthesizers, I'd rather have my waveforms passed by reference and their configuration passed by value (Montage) rather than having to maintain separate data structures for scenes and references tones (Fantom). The only time I'd prefer to see the Fantom tones-by-reference approach is in the 'signature sounds' use case, which I detail at 08:22 Or, to summarize: `montage($performance) {}` suits me better than `fantom($scene, ...&$tones) {}` :) (We software engineers have to stick together...)
I choose the Fantom. have worked with both. As a touring musician the Fantom can carry my set list with each set of sounds for each song. Furthermore the Fantom is way lighter than the montage and the organ is bar none the best i've heard. It's a choice but for me FANTOM. I take my thumb drive to the airport and have 2 Fantoms on my rider. Just did the Long BEACH JAZZ FESTIVAL with my Fantom. OH I forgot. The ADSR are right there with inreach so I can make an attack patch a pad at the turn of a knob. I even have access to reverb the same way without going through menus. Thus, On the fly, I can tweak.
You certainly make a compelling case for Fantom as a live instrument - and I do have to agree about the organ engine, which is great. ADSR settings are also directly available on Montage via the preset functions on the assignable knobs, but it’s not as immediate as the Fantom - until you get control assign involved.
I flew around with the Fantom-06 for about a year, wonderfully portable and versatile, but the 'everyday' sounds just didn't work for my purposes. Have since upgraded to the Nord Stage 4 Compact, which is quite limited but sounds great. Maybe that new Montage M6 will be the holy grail, or maybe I'm just never happy
An excellent video, one of the best in terms of explanation. Although it was still not clear to me how the Montage synthesis is, in the Fantom each zone or tone consists of 3 to 4 partials, which can be modified in the same tone occupying only 1 zone of the 16 available in a scene. So in the Montage M, how many AWM2 or FM or ANx elements can be modified in a single part of a performance or can that be done?
For Montage, 8 AWM elements or 8 FM operators per part, for Montage M it’s 128 AWM elements, 8 FM operators or 3 oscillators plus noise for AN-X parts - and sixteen of any of these parts for any performance.
@@KierDarbyAh, okay, perfect. I have the Roland FA and I've also had the Roland Fantom 7 for two years, and I just bought the Montage M (still on its way to shipping) and I don't know anything about Yamaha synthesis in terms of editing. As you commented on the editing of some parameters of the elements, I hope it will be more practical and easier to edit in Montage M (mainly in the Envelopes). Thanks for the answer 💫🙏🏻
The Montage M does address some of the shortcomings of the original by enabling the under-display knobs to edit multiple parameters simultaneously, which makes things feel more responsive and immediate, but the lack of drag gestures on the Montage screen, seven years after the debut of the original is pretty poor. My Waldorf Quantum has drag support that puts the Fantom to shame and makes the Montage look ridiculous - but I’d still rather have a Montage if I could only have one synth.
4 minutes in I would buy the Montage, 6 minutes in I knew it was the right decision. I just sold Roland Juipter X because the programming was horrible there is something deeply cranky about Rolands Tone architecture. The saving, the handling, the cataloging of sounds. Not new of course, it feels like it's not changed for 40 years. Preset land for most and with good reason. Great video thanks for your work.
The unified performances approach in Montage feels much easier to work with to me. There's nothing fundamentally *wrong* with the Fantom approach, it just looks inferior by comparison with Montage, IMO.
Thank you for the video. It's very helpful. I've got 4 hardware analogue synths (Prophet 10, OB-X8, Polybrute and Subsequent 37) a computer and a ton of software. I do most with my software, but try to implement the analogue synths as much as I can. I thought about getting a digital synth with 88 fully weighted keys, so the Montage (M)8(x) and Fantom EX were on my radar. I don't feel like spending too much on digital synths, because I feel like they will get outdated sooner than analogue synths and you can't do much with it that you can't do more conveniently with software. I already own a MODX, because I thought I needed an additional synth for live performance that can play sampled instruments. It turned out I never perform live, so I hardly touched the MODX. Since I already have all of the Montage sounds in the MODX, I thought about getting the Fantom EX instead. It's also much cheaper and the ACB synths in there sound much better than the ZEN-core you can find on the old Fantom and Roland Cloud. Your video changed my mind. The Montage M8x is very expensive and difficult to come by where I live though. The old Montage 8 costs less than halve the price (I've seen them go for as little as €2100,-, second hand) but it's already outdated. Maybe I don't need either. I'll hold off for now.
In your case, I’d look at getting a high end MIDI controller with aftertouch to really unlock the capabilities you already have with the MODX and software instruments. The Native Instruments Kontrol S88 (Mk2 or MK3) would be a good fit.
@@KierDarby Thanks for the suggestion. I already have a NI Kontrol S61 Mk2. It's good. like the Fatar keybed on it, but I prefer the feel of the OB-X8 and Prophet-10 even though they're the same Fatar keys. I think the main reason is because of the lightweight plastic housing of the Kontrol vs the aluminum/wood housing and heavier weight of the 2 synths. The Mk2 is getting a bit outdated, because it doesn't support the features of the Mk3, but the Mk3 will become outdated, as soon as NI releases the Mk4. This is why I haven't upgraded to the S88 Mk3 yet. I'm fine not getting anything new at the moment. In a few years aither all of this will be cheaper, or there will be something newer and fancier available. No hurries.
Is the aftertouch on the Fantom 6 or 7 so hard to activate as the 8? Interestingly I’ve a venerable Fantom G8, and its aftertouch is also a high pressure experience and a disappointment.
The synth action on the 6 and 7 isn’t quite such a fuster cluck as the 8, but it’s still a far cry from the AT on any of the Yamaha or Fatar keys. A disappointment is a good description.
@@parkmediathat is possible, but my Fantom 8 has had shockingly poor aftertouch performance from brand new. It seems Roland simply doesn’t value it as a thing players actually use.
@@KierDarby Agree. We can say that Fantom 8 simply doesnot have Aftertouch. Old Fantoms were way better, proper resolution and playable force. I done repairing my old Fantom 88s AT with a replacement felt strip. (not G, but I suppose that could be similar than S and X)
I very badly need a version of this video that covers the Montage M8x versus the Fantom 8 EX. THEN I'll know which one I can get. Until then, no other video on RUclips even remotely cares to cover the things you cover in this video. I will say, however, that I really need to know more in depth about the sampler and sequencers of these two machines, which happen to be the two aspects that you indicted you don't use natively on these boards. I would like to see how these boards stack up when a person has no other access to any other equipment, including a computer with software like DAWs and VSTs.
It’s worth bearing in mind that Montage has no sampler of any kind on board, so if you must have hardware sampling, Fantom is the only option. That said, I have both a Fantom 8 EX and a Montage M8x here, and IMO the Montage M is a far superior machine.
I think it's unfortunate that you relied on the original Montage, since the Montage M has the ANX virtual synth engine, and significantly improved ROM and other functions (such as Smart Morph for ANX), not to mention a modified panel with an additional screen.
There’s no doubt that the Montage M is superior to the classic Montage in most ways (although not all), but this video was supposed to be more of a comparison of concepts - the Montage as a unified single instrument against the Fantom as a collection of disparate components that happen to live in the same housing. As such, I think it conveys the most important differences - and I do call out the Montage M differences where appropriate.
I have both and for me the Montage is lot better. Few sounds in the Fantom are better but I can easily live with the Montage ones too. If you want to have the best sounds of the synths from decades past (barring some FM ones) and do sound design, Fantom is the one you want. Having had mine since week one, as far as features go, Fantom is an unfinished in my opinion; the sequencer is a complete joke.
Fantom's sequencer would be a good idea, but an unfinished idea, I agree. In general, Fantom editing stuck in JD menu-paging era, just there are more than 2 lines on the screen.
@@KierDarby The Fantom. Sorry i didnt specify. Also you can use them under normal mackie controls for any DAW and it will work and let you assign the knobs and sliders while also working with the transport controls.
@@KierDarby yes, the EX Upgrade, or the EX versions of the Fantom have this as a new feature for the new OS. there are a few extra highlights and features which include: Exclusive JUPITER-8, SH-101, and JX-3P ACB Expansions German Concert V-Piano Expansion 01, previously only available for the RD-2000 stage piano Newly developed SuperNATURAL Acoustic Piano 3 Expansion JD-800 Model Expansion n/zyme Model Expansion New studio-grade Shimmer Reverb and Modulation Reverb New V-Piano GUI Added DAW control profiles for Cubase and Studio One Mastering EQ and Mastering Comp template functions and new graphical interfaces
FWIW it took me a long, LONG time, but the Yamaha system makes perfect sense to me now. And I guess, so does Fantom... I just don't think it's as well integrated.
Roland essentially releasing products to abandon them as soon as the new one hits the shelves should be the first indication as to which product is better.
Is the aftertouch on the Fantom 6 or 7 so hard to activate as the 8? Interestingly I’ve a venerable Fantom G8, and its aftertouch is also a high pressure experience and a disappointment.
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This is a long and detailed video - set aside some time to watch it fully, there’s some important info here that isn’t available from the regular sources. I really hope this video is valuable to potential owners and switchers.
Great Job Kier !!! was on the fence , once i had a chance to play both (( new M and EX version )) the decision was simple , you definitely nailed it on the head 2 head comparison , thanks , I am totally a subscriber now for my pea brain to learn as much as I can from someone as skilled as you
What workstation did u use to make the intro pad music in the title screen?
@endisnear777 that is the “2 SwitchesToHeaven” performance on the Montage.
nice.
Thanks for this excellent video!
(Being an IT guy myself) I never thought that there is anyone else in the world who analizes user interface at this level and with such perfection!
As an ex-Fantom owner, I can confirm all the facts of this video. I wonder why the manufacturers do not use feedbacks and resources like this in the UI development. It wouldn't be so hard to get rid of the weaknesses and get closer to a perfect UI. I am not sure if you mentioned that the black and red boxes diplayed on the Fantom screen block/freeze the rest of the touchscreen, so if you are about to set anything on the screen and move a real-time synth controller, all you can do is to wait until that boxes disappear. Working with seq - which intended to be a fast real-time tool to build-up patterns and songs, these boxes also interrupt the process. It was so annoying, these boxes played a big part in the decision for me to sell my Fantom.
Wow, I haven’t noticed the modality of the on-screen red boxes but now that you’ve pointed it out I can’t unsee it!
Glad you liked the analysis - as an interface designer myself, I find so many design decisions in synthesizers frustrating and nonsensical, and Yamaha is not excused here, but from the perspective of an overall concept for an instrument, Montage has the edge over the “box of bits” Fantom approach :)
@@KierDarby The biggest part of the problem is that there is no parameter in system settings to get rid of these boxes.
I actually like the boxes, as it can sometimes be non-obvious what parameter you are actually editing when working with a multi-zone scene, but the fact that they are modal (blocks other input) is a real downer.
@@KierDarby It could be somewhere off-center of the screen. In the top row for example.
When editing an EG or filter it could come handy but when it only confirms something like transpose or similar, it just takes my valuable time. Maybe I want to see the confirmation on the first week, but not each and every time I do something.
To be musician is not enough to understand all features about these two maschines. You must also be technical engineer, IT and musician. You have made excellent video mate covering all details and covering all audience. Thanks for hard work. BIG, BIG, LIKE to this video
Thank you! I do agree that these are enormously complex instruments, and they have a very steep learning curve if you want to produce results comparable to the preset performances.
This is the best video on both synths I've seen so far. Well structured, no filler, all the important information in clear and concise words, plus excellent and helpful screenshots. Thank you very much for doing this. Subscribed.
Thanks for a great comment! Much appreciated.
You have produced the perfect video for me. I watched it from A to Z without skipping. So good and interesting. Thanks man!
Glad it was helpful!
Looks to me like the Montage wipes the floor out with the Fantom. I have both here but never went this deep with knowing these instruments, limiting myself to use presents only, so thank you for this great comparison work you’ve done. The fact that you are also a software engineer, explains the high quality of your work 😉
I hope it didn’t come across that the Montage wipes the floor with Fantom, as that wasn’t my intention. Certainly my preferred system is Montage, but there are plenty of things Fantom does as well if not better. Just not the things that matter to me :)
@@KierDarby well, it’s not your video that makes me feel like that. It is actually how I feel when using these two. I will not sell my Fantom because I believe Roland is doing a great job creating expansions to the system and because the sound is really good, but just like you said, If I could afford only one, it would be the Montage.
@@CoolJacketCoder I know exactly what you mean. I feel the same.
Fantom is better for playing/touring on stage because it’s more streamlined and way lighter. For the other stuff, Montage is better even if more complicated to use. I like Montage more.
@awesomereviews1561 strange that you mention the Fantom being lighter - Fantom 6 is 15.3KG while Montage 6 is 300g lighter at 15.0KG.
The only Fantom that is lighter than Montage is the Fantom 8 at 27.7KG against the Montage 8’s 29KG - but at these colossal sizes nobody is going to notice that 1.3KG difference.
Of course, the Fantom 0 series is much lighter, but these should be compared to the Yamaha MODX, not the Montage.
Have used both for years, and still learnt some things, very thorough work.
That’s very gratifying to read, thank you :)
For software developers that, like myself, like synths: The tones are given by reference on the fantom scenes, while in the montage it’s given by value 😊
Yes absolutely - and for the most part that would be my preferred approach for everything, but in the case of sounds on synthesizers, I'd rather have my waveforms passed by reference and their configuration passed by value (Montage) rather than having to maintain separate data structures for scenes and references tones (Fantom).
The only time I'd prefer to see the Fantom tones-by-reference approach is in the 'signature sounds' use case, which I detail at 08:22
Or, to summarize: `montage($performance) {}` suits me better than `fantom($scene, ...&$tones) {}` :)
(We software engineers have to stick together...)
@@KierDarby well said, fellow dev! 😉
I choose the Fantom. have worked with both. As a touring musician the Fantom can carry my set list with each set of sounds for each song. Furthermore the Fantom is way lighter than the montage and the organ is bar none the best i've heard. It's a choice but for me FANTOM. I take my thumb drive to the airport and have 2 Fantoms on my rider. Just did the Long BEACH JAZZ FESTIVAL with my Fantom. OH I forgot. The ADSR are right there with inreach so I can make an attack patch a pad at the turn of a knob. I even have access to reverb the same way without going through menus. Thus, On the fly, I can tweak.
You certainly make a compelling case for Fantom as a live instrument - and I do have to agree about the organ engine, which is great. ADSR settings are also directly available on Montage via the preset functions on the assignable knobs, but it’s not as immediate as the Fantom - until you get control assign involved.
I flew around with the Fantom-06 for about a year, wonderfully portable and versatile, but the 'everyday' sounds just didn't work for my purposes. Have since upgraded to the Nord Stage 4 Compact, which is quite limited but sounds great. Maybe that new Montage M6 will be the holy grail, or maybe I'm just never happy
An excellent video, one of the best in terms of explanation. Although it was still not clear to me how the Montage synthesis is, in the Fantom each zone or tone consists of 3 to 4 partials, which can be modified in the same tone occupying only 1 zone of the 16 available in a scene. So in the Montage M, how many AWM2 or FM or ANx elements can be modified in a single part of a performance or can that be done?
For Montage, 8 AWM elements or 8 FM operators per part, for Montage M it’s 128 AWM elements, 8 FM operators or 3
oscillators plus noise for AN-X parts - and sixteen of any of these parts for any performance.
@@KierDarbyAh, okay, perfect. I have the Roland FA and I've also had the Roland Fantom 7 for two years, and I just bought the Montage M (still on its way to shipping) and I don't know anything about Yamaha synthesis in terms of editing. As you commented on the editing of some parameters of the elements, I hope it will be more practical and easier to edit in Montage M (mainly in the Envelopes). Thanks for the answer 💫🙏🏻
The Montage M does address some of the shortcomings of the original by enabling the under-display knobs to edit multiple parameters simultaneously, which makes things feel more responsive and immediate, but the lack of drag gestures on the Montage screen, seven years after the debut of the original is pretty poor. My Waldorf Quantum has drag support that puts the Fantom to shame and makes the Montage look ridiculous - but I’d still rather have a Montage if I could only have one synth.
4 minutes in I would buy the Montage, 6 minutes in I knew it was the right decision. I just sold Roland Juipter X because the programming was horrible there is something deeply cranky about Rolands Tone architecture. The saving, the handling, the cataloging of sounds. Not new of course, it feels like it's not changed for 40 years. Preset land for most and with good reason. Great video thanks for your work.
The unified performances approach in Montage feels much easier to work with to me. There's nothing fundamentally *wrong* with the Fantom approach, it just looks inferior by comparison with Montage, IMO.
Thank you for the video. It's very helpful. I've got 4 hardware analogue synths (Prophet 10, OB-X8, Polybrute and Subsequent 37) a computer and a ton of software. I do most with my software, but try to implement the analogue synths as much as I can. I thought about getting a digital synth with 88 fully weighted keys, so the Montage (M)8(x) and Fantom EX were on my radar. I don't feel like spending too much on digital synths, because I feel like they will get outdated sooner than analogue synths and you can't do much with it that you can't do more conveniently with software. I already own a MODX, because I thought I needed an additional synth for live performance that can play sampled instruments. It turned out I never perform live, so I hardly touched the MODX. Since I already have all of the Montage sounds in the MODX, I thought about getting the Fantom EX instead. It's also much cheaper and the ACB synths in there sound much better than the ZEN-core you can find on the old Fantom and Roland Cloud. Your video changed my mind. The Montage M8x is very expensive and difficult to come by where I live though. The old Montage 8 costs less than halve the price (I've seen them go for as little as €2100,-, second hand) but it's already outdated. Maybe I don't need either. I'll hold off for now.
In your case, I’d look at getting a high end MIDI controller with aftertouch to really unlock the capabilities you already have with the MODX and software instruments. The Native Instruments Kontrol S88 (Mk2 or MK3) would be a good fit.
@@KierDarby Thanks for the suggestion. I already have a NI Kontrol S61 Mk2. It's good. like the Fatar keybed on it, but I prefer the feel of the OB-X8 and Prophet-10 even though they're the same Fatar keys. I think the main reason is because of the lightweight plastic housing of the Kontrol vs the aluminum/wood housing and heavier weight of the 2 synths. The Mk2 is getting a bit outdated, because it doesn't support the features of the Mk3, but the Mk3 will become outdated, as soon as NI releases the Mk4. This is why I haven't upgraded to the S88 Mk3 yet. I'm fine not getting anything new at the moment. In a few years aither all of this will be cheaper, or there will be something newer and fancier available. No hurries.
Very good comparison 👏
Thank you :)
Is the aftertouch on the Fantom 6 or 7 so hard to activate as the 8?
Interestingly I’ve a venerable Fantom G8, and its aftertouch is also a high pressure experience and a disappointment.
The synth action on the 6 and 7 isn’t quite such a fuster cluck as the 8, but it’s still a far cry from the AT on any of the Yamaha or Fatar keys. A disappointment is a good description.
@@KierDarbya really excellent video by the way!! I’m subscribing.
On your Fantom G8, the AT felt strip might be aged, and shrinking a bit, thus getting the AT harder.
@@parkmediathat is possible, but my Fantom 8 has had shockingly poor aftertouch performance from brand new. It seems Roland simply doesn’t value it as a thing players actually use.
@@KierDarby Agree. We can say that Fantom 8 simply doesnot have Aftertouch.
Old Fantoms were way better, proper resolution and playable force.
I done repairing my old Fantom 88s AT with a replacement felt strip. (not G, but I suppose that could be similar than S and X)
I very badly need a version of this video that covers the Montage M8x versus the Fantom 8 EX. THEN I'll know which one I can get. Until then, no other video on RUclips even remotely cares to cover the things you cover in this video. I will say, however, that I really need to know more in depth about the sampler and sequencers of these two machines, which happen to be the two aspects that you indicted you don't use natively on these boards. I would like to see how these boards stack up when a person has no other access to any other equipment, including a computer with software like DAWs and VSTs.
It’s worth bearing in mind that Montage has no sampler of any kind on board, so if you must have hardware sampling, Fantom is the only option. That said, I have both a Fantom 8 EX and a Montage M8x here, and IMO the Montage M is a far superior machine.
I think it's unfortunate that you relied on the original Montage, since the Montage M has the ANX virtual synth engine, and significantly improved ROM and other functions (such as Smart Morph for ANX), not to mention a modified panel with an additional screen.
There’s no doubt that the Montage M is superior to the classic Montage in most ways (although not all), but this video was supposed to be more of a comparison of concepts - the Montage as a unified single instrument against the Fantom as a collection of disparate components that happen to live in the same housing. As such, I think it conveys the most important differences - and I do call out the Montage M differences where appropriate.
I have both and for me the Montage is lot better. Few sounds in the Fantom are better but I can easily live with the Montage ones too. If you want to have the best sounds of the synths from decades past (barring some FM ones) and do sound design, Fantom is the one you want. Having had mine since week one, as far as features go, Fantom is an unfinished in my opinion; the sequencer is a complete joke.
Fantom's sequencer would be a good idea, but an unfinished idea, I agree.
In general, Fantom editing stuck in JD menu-paging era, just there are more than 2 lines on the screen.
you forget there are cubase and studio one DAW modes as well
Are you referring to Montage or Fantom?
@@KierDarby The Fantom. Sorry i didnt specify. Also you can use them under normal mackie controls for any DAW and it will work and let you assign the knobs and sliders while also working with the transport controls.
@xenobiigaming is that new with EX? I only see Logic / MainStage and Live on my Fantom
@@KierDarby yes, the EX Upgrade, or the EX versions of the Fantom have this as a new feature for the new OS. there are a few extra highlights and features which include:
Exclusive JUPITER-8, SH-101, and JX-3P ACB Expansions
German Concert V-Piano Expansion 01, previously only available for the RD-2000 stage piano
Newly developed SuperNATURAL Acoustic Piano 3 Expansion
JD-800 Model Expansion
n/zyme Model Expansion
New studio-grade Shimmer Reverb and Modulation Reverb
New V-Piano GUI
Added DAW control profiles for Cubase and Studio One
Mastering EQ and Mastering Comp template functions and new graphical interfaces
Montage M is already out. Roland sound like 30 years a go. Yamaha is the boss.
Mx is much better than the old version
korg kronos 😂
Wow, something makes less sense than Yamaha?!
FWIW it took me a long, LONG time, but the Yamaha system makes perfect sense to me now. And I guess, so does Fantom... I just don't think it's as well integrated.
Roland essentially releasing products to abandon them as soon as the new one hits the shelves should be the first indication as to which product is better.
Is the aftertouch on the Fantom 6 or 7 so hard to activate as the 8?
Interestingly I’ve a venerable Fantom G8, and its aftertouch is also a high pressure experience and a disappointment.