Roland Fantom-8 vs Yamaha Montage M8X - Which Sounds Better?

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  • Опубликовано: 17 окт 2024

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  • @ScottsSynthStuff
    @ScottsSynthStuff День назад +61

    I have both: a Fantom 6 EX and a Montage M7 in my studio. For classic pianos - it's the Montage. For pop-cut-through-the-mix pianos, Fantom. Classic 80's synth sounds, Fantom all day long. For sound design, Montage - the Fantom is pretty unfriendly for sound design. For soundtrack/realistic sounds (guitar, strings, horns, etc) it's Montage. I love both (synth action) keybeds, but I like the Fantom keybed just a bit more. Vocoder - Fantom for sure. Samples - Fantom (no pads on the Montage). Sequencer, the TR-Rec sequencer on the Fantom blows away the sequencer in the Montage. User interface - the Montage wins over the confusing, convoluted mess that the Fantom UI has become.
    So it's tough to pick between the two. Which is why I kept both.

    • @Echochamber79
      @Echochamber79 День назад +3

      Love your channel, Scott. I really tried hard to get used to the Fantom's UI, but in the end, I just gave up. The keybed is loud, mainly because it feels a bit shallow and reverberates off the metal body. And of course, there’s the polyphony issue. But as you mentioned, for classic '80s synth sounds, the Fantom is unbeatable!

    • @OswaldoVonSchnoobenstein
      @OswaldoVonSchnoobenstein День назад +1

      Your stable is pretty crazy Scott. That's why I love you, you crazy pilot synth flying bastard.

    • @monteiro4100
      @monteiro4100 День назад +1

      ​@Echochamber79 coming from a Kurzweil UI I found the Fantom very easy to navigate and well organized 😂. I learned very fast how to get around and build my tones and scenes. Not familiar with the Montage. Kurzweil builds great keyboards but their UI is still stuck in the 90's

    • @christopherkiyui8071
      @christopherkiyui8071 13 часов назад +1

      I feel that Yamaha and Roland should merge and give us the best of both worlds at half the price. Hahaha...and don't anybody dare complain after that cos then you'll be utter utter... (anybody remember Cliff Richard and the Young Ones here?) 😂

    • @Echochamber79
      @Echochamber79 9 часов назад

      @@monteiro4100 Wow, you are better than me then 😄. It just didn't make sense in the slightest to me!

  • @Jamminn555
    @Jamminn555 18 часов назад +2

    Yes Jack. Cool playing and also great insights on feel, philosophy and the sense of playing each one. Really appreciate this one mate. Cheers.

  • @marknagle-vi7og
    @marknagle-vi7og 22 часа назад +4

    The Montage on the first piano played is the clear winner to my ears. Full body well balanced sound. As for many to me the piano voice is most important everything else is secondary.

  • @jmcoffin1
    @jmcoffin1 День назад +6

    I did an extensive comparison of them side-by-side, using the same set of high-quality headphones. To my ears, the Montage M8x was superior in every area: sound, sound design, keyboard feel,user interface, and it has polyphonic aftertouch. At the time, the montage was slightly more expensive, but well worth the difference in cost.

    • @stevenseanor4500
      @stevenseanor4500 22 часа назад +2

      I recently sold my Fantom 7 because it just didn't do it for me after owning it for a few years. I've only played the Montage in a music shop but I know its far superior already 👌

  • @peterwilson69
    @peterwilson69 8 часов назад +1

    thank you for playing something quite simple - no fancy muso weirdness trying to show off your talent instead of the keyboard. Helps see the differences better.

  • @judddredd8617
    @judddredd8617 23 часа назад +8

    Got the Modx6+ with a similar sound engine without the analog and i love it. Had a Fantom 06 and really didnt like it much.

    • @noitnova
      @noitnova 7 часов назад

      Me to i want to sell my fantom o8

  • @stevengasiecki8826
    @stevengasiecki8826 8 часов назад +1

    Ive owned a Fantom-7 (now an Ex) for over 4 yrs and have used it extensively for a variety of different reasons. I have found the multiple engines to be pretty easy to navigate and merge. For classic Roland emulations, nothing beats it, especially with the recent addition of the JD-800 and ACB models. Also, having the choice of VPiano, Supernatural piano as well as straight sampled pianos gives a nice variety for different ears. The Supernatural strings, horns and electric piano... as well as the newer rotary organ models are superb. I have also owned a Jupiter-80 since 2011 and was very happy to see this supernatural inclusion. Once you understand and get used to how to manipulate the supernatural brass, woodwinds and strings, you may be surprised at how realistic and well they site in a mix as well as convince sonically solo. Ive also played the Montage and believe it is also an amazing instrument sonically. As I am not an owner, I cannot comment on its ease of use or functionality but others I know who do own them tell me they are very happy with their choice. I think the bottom line is, today we have a choice of several incredible instruments.... you really cannot go wrong with either.

  • @Parialated
    @Parialated День назад +5

    Yamaha sounds more round and organic mirroring accoustic and the sounds immediately inspire and gives me ideas...the Roland does sound good but just a bit more synthetic/synthesiser

  • @ZTAudio
    @ZTAudio День назад +4

    They really are both beautiful sounding in their own ways.

    • @sethglenn9022
      @sethglenn9022 22 часа назад

      No kidding. Both are absolutely phenomenal.

  • @dougie6897
    @dougie6897 23 часа назад +4

    Everyone knows that Jack is a Nord owner and Nord player…. Therefore Jack needs to be as diplomatic as possible for his obvious reasons.

  • @shawn_euphony
    @shawn_euphony День назад +6

    Jack plays so well gosh!

    • @mavfan1
      @mavfan1 День назад

      Thanks Napoleon

  • @jp4751
    @jp4751 День назад +10

    Nice video. I think it would be helpful to compare sound to sound, back to back as you go through examples. For example, compare an EP on Montage to EP on Fantom back to back. Also, play the same piece, chord progressions, etc, so that we can hear the Timbre, character, and dynamics of the same song being played on two different brands. Thanks again.

    • @mac651000
      @mac651000 День назад +1

      I was thinking these same thoughts as I scrolled down and found your comment.

    • @jp4751
      @jp4751 20 часов назад

      @@mac651000 Yes, personal tastes are subjective to begin with, but I think it is helpful to compare apples to apples to determine which you prefer.

    • @ChrisP3000x
      @ChrisP3000x 19 часов назад +1

      What a clever idea. 🤭

    • @jp4751
      @jp4751 6 часов назад

      @@ChrisP3000x I never said that this was an original idea that I created, the point was the comparisons would have been more useful.

    • @ChrisP3000x
      @ChrisP3000x 6 часов назад +1

      @@jp4751 They already did apples to apples comparisons of fantom/montage, as have many other YTubers. Not every single video has to be the same, predictable comparisons we've seen before, ad nauseum. They clearly stated at the beginning, and in the description, what the exact purpose of THIS video was.

  • @sergiodeoliveira5358
    @sergiodeoliveira5358 18 часов назад +1

    FYI, last 4 scenes on Fantom were demo songs, not multi-layered performances.

  • @iambrufio
    @iambrufio 13 часов назад +1

    The Fantom 8 (updated to EX) ist the most amazing tool in the studio. It´s the brain of everything I do but I know that piano players will go for the montage. The action on the Fantom 8 is really heavy. When I play a grand piano it's worlds apart in my opinion. But still, the Fantom is AMAZINGGGGGG

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne 7 часов назад

      @@iambrufio .....OH yes....I owned my fantom 8 for 7 months now and I tried the Montage before I made my decision and it was the Fantom for the win....like you said, its a monster for the studio....I'm planning on adding a second Board soon

  • @trstack
    @trstack 22 часа назад +1

    I went with the Montage M8x. I had a Roland RD-2000 and Fantom 08. I prefer the Montage GEX keyboard with poly aftertouch to the PHA-50 on the Fantom. I get why Jack is initially enamored by the PHA -50 action, it didn’t last for me…
    While previous iterations of the Montage and Fantom have been around for several years, for the record the Montage M8x has been available in the U.S. since November 2023. The Fantom EX followed.
    And yes, forget patch 1. Play the CFX vs the Fantom Concert Grand without pad.
    We need Part 2… the 8 scenes on the Montage changes everything.

  • @mylesandrews2019
    @mylesandrews2019 День назад +4

    Jack, please put Mike and Dan against each other on these 2 beasts. Throw in a curve ball...let Mike use the Fantom And let Dan use the Montage M🙏🏾

    • @mshhoward
      @mshhoward 2 часа назад

      Love this idea :)

  • @bobs88s11
    @bobs88s11 День назад +3

    Fantom 8 with the EX upgrade here. I really love the keyboard touch, and after a pretty steep learning curve (coming from the Yamaha world) I've come to appreciate the different way of doing things. Great sound in my opinion. Very happy with it.

  • @JeffPalmer83
    @JeffPalmer83 22 часа назад +3

    No Korg Nautilus in the mix here? If my Kronos disappeared, I’d take that over either of these any day.

  • @dbefore7165
    @dbefore7165 День назад +6

    Is the answer C- Kurzweil 2700?

    • @michaelasante1498
      @michaelasante1498 День назад +2

      If you can stand the interface, then you are making the right choice

  • @scratchanitch
    @scratchanitch День назад +2

    Check out Rick Beato's interview with Tori Amos...makes sense she would like the firm action of the Montage. We should go and buy more of her albums so she can afford to get that broken key replaced lol.

  • @gretareinarsson7461
    @gretareinarsson7461 День назад +4

    I so much totally love my Fantom8❤

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne День назад +2

      Me too...😊....mine is doing fine after 7 months of ownership

    • @gretareinarsson7461
      @gretareinarsson7461 День назад +1

      @@Bruce.-Wayne we sould form a Fantom Fanclub 😄

    • @j0pj0p
      @j0pj0p День назад +1

      Me too. The action is sublime and the sounds it produces are mind-blowing.

  • @mylesandrews2019
    @mylesandrews2019 День назад +1

    I have neither...I've only ever played them when I was I the US earlier this year... where I'm from in the Caribbean doesn't have stores that carry those beasts. Plus I can't afford them😂. If I had to pick, it would be the Montage M8x

  • @Mat-q5z
    @Mat-q5z Час назад

    No Question….Yamaha. No comparison required. Thank you for the imagery…

  • @simbaking6338
    @simbaking6338 17 часов назад

    They are 2 great boards but very different & special in their own way.

  • @lamborgoonie
    @lamborgoonie День назад +1

    Awesome videos 🎉

  • @furiobisotti8150
    @furiobisotti8150 21 час назад +2

    I turned to a full VST setup to play live. I cannot play anymore without real hammond clones and serious rhodes simulations. Workstations must improve a lot to fight with software instruments (IMHO). So I would be extremely puzzled to buy one or another. The wonderful piano samples of Montage seem to match with my ears. Modelling piano a la Roland doesn't sounds good enough to me. Strange, I always use Pianoteq...

  • @DaKingsMusic
    @DaKingsMusic 18 часов назад

    I went with the Fantom for the form factor of the mod wheels with the whammy bar along with the 9th fader doubling as the 1' organ stop... Montage seems like a great board but I'm happy with my decision

  • @JeffPalmer83
    @JeffPalmer83 День назад +3

    5:02 that’s the “brake” on the Leslie simulation

    • @ianfantomx7
      @ianfantomx7 День назад +2

      no it isnt its the simulation of power being turned off whilst holding down some keys on a hammond organ ah la jon lord… its the tone wheels slowing down

    • @JeffPalmer83
      @JeffPalmer83 22 часа назад

      @@ianfantomx7 sorry, yes-I meant the “wheel brake,” not the Leslie “stop.”

    • @ChrisP3000x
      @ChrisP3000x 19 часов назад +2

      Smokin Boston
      Power off trick during lead

  • @MJamesIII
    @MJamesIII 18 часов назад

    I own the Fantom 8 EX and the Montage M8x….. I play the Montage a little more, but I love them both equally.
    I would love to hear the Nord Stage 4 against the Montage M.

  • @revp01
    @revp01 День назад

    I haven't bought either yet but I have spent a bit of time on each. I LOVE the pianos & orchestral strings on the Montage but personally prefer the keybed on the Fantom. Hard to beat the Jupiter/Juno style synths, horns, and percussion of the Fantom. While I like the Roland Organs better, I like the wider sliders on the Montage M series. I'd probably get the Fantom 8 & the Montage M7. But, the M8 has the extra aftertouch and MIDI 2.0 features. Hard decision.

  • @horvathsandorfarkas4451
    @horvathsandorfarkas4451 День назад +1

    Great video as always. I have the fantom 8ex. Synth, sequencer are great, the pha50 action is solid / accurate (very cool with the german grand f ex) but I am not in love with it. A bit cold, no soul. I rather run Pianoteq or keyscape instead.
    I am really interested in the gex action of the Montage.
    I also have the Ns4, different purpose, dig it, but not the fatar action playing piano patches. Clinky a bit.
    Since years I am searching a board with fantastic keybed for piano patches but also ok with synths / organs. Maybe this montage?
    Cheers from Hungary.

    • @matthewwhitaker4849
      @matthewwhitaker4849 9 часов назад

      The Montage key action is perfect. Amazing for piano sounds while also being great for other sounds.

  • @Bruce.-Wayne
    @Bruce.-Wayne День назад

    I used to have issues with the Fantom 8 piano sounds and found out Roland is using the physical modeling sound method instead of the Sampling method used by Yamaha....I'm ok with Fantom now, I just need to learn how to model my own piano sound now...😊

    • @stevengasiecki8826
      @stevengasiecki8826 8 часов назад

      I think one of the great assets to the Fantom is it contains V-Piano, Super Natural piano, as well as straight sampled piano patches. You can pick whichever you like. These RUclips demos are fun to watch but there is so much more to each instrument beyond the limited scope we can glean from these videos right?

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne 7 часов назад

      @@stevengasiecki8826 .....that's right...I got that fantom 8 for different reason than just the piano patches...this instrument goes much deeper and am still learning it....youtube demos are just what they are, Demos.....if I get a montage, it would be for different reasons....no one keyboard has everything, on the other hand, I'm not a big fan of the Nord, other than the piano patches that everybody seems to like...Big Deal...🙂

  • @Echochamber79
    @Echochamber79 День назад +7

    I have the Montage M8X and previously owned the Roland Fantom 7. In my opinion, the pianos on the Montage are in a completely different league compared to the Roland, not to mention the polyphony issues I encountered with the Fantom.

    • @MrYuryZ
      @MrYuryZ День назад +1

      In a new editon Fantom EX (RD-2000 EX) the one that in video the main feature is a new piano sound that supposed to be better than on a previous Fantom and RD series. Just an observation, not saying Fantom is better or anything. I actually like both.

    • @englishguy9680
      @englishguy9680 День назад

      Agreed I’ve owned the RD800 and the Montage 6 and the roland supernatural pianos are good but next to the Yamaha’s there is just no contest

    • @larshp99
      @larshp99 День назад

      my steinway is in a different league. Digital pianos are the sane

    • @larshp99
      @larshp99 День назад

      same

    • @Echochamber79
      @Echochamber79 21 час назад

      @@larshp99 A real acoustic piano will always sound better... no news there.

  • @carltonhall6628
    @carltonhall6628 День назад

    I have a Fantom 08 (from Andertons), i really wanted the Full Fat Fantom but couldn't justify the extra money. Now i want both these keyboards SO badly! I do love the Fantom though, old skool synth sounds are awesome but i still use a lot of vst's as well - the Fantom makes a giod midi controller too, with a fair few mappable knobs. I've created a DAW control scene to help with that (stolen from another RUclips vid)

  •  13 часов назад

    Hey! Where is the UGH?! :D

  • @Predators4U
    @Predators4U День назад

    I have a MODX plus. Should I get any of these? Is it worth?

    • @JohnM1
      @JohnM1 23 часа назад +1

      I have both a MODX8 & the M8. I'm actually using the M8 ESP VST thru my MODX in addition to my M8.
      It's fun to layer both simultaneously.
      The M8 action is the best I've felt on any 88 keybed.
      I am looking to add the Fantom 07, for the portability and superior organs.
      The analog sounds on the M8 are also great...and that's coming from a guy who also has a MemoryMoog+.
      If you're looking for "improved" organs compared to the MODX, the M8 will work.
      But if you're looking for "superior" organs, get the Roland.

    • @Predators4U
      @Predators4U 15 часов назад

      @@JohnM1 Thanks mate. Whats your honest opinion. Asides from the inbuilt PAC on Montage, do you really feel any difference in sound quality on bread and butter sounds? Synth sounds can be recreated anyways with some sonic powers of other vsts.

    • @TheSunlight74
      @TheSunlight74 Час назад

      ​@@JohnM1Could you say a bit more about the ANX engine? Good for analog leads? I was considering adding a MicroKorg 2 to my Electro/ MODX rig but not keen on 3 tiers. If the ANX engine would do this job I'd consider the upgrade from MODX

    • @JohnM1
      @JohnM1 34 минуты назад +1

      @@TheSunlight74 While I'm not personally familiar with the Korg. That said, of what I see & hear on RUclips I think you'd be happy with the M8...as long as you're OK with the weight...It's like 63 lbs.
      As for M8's analog leads, no problem whatsoever on either the physical M8 or the software version (EST).

    • @TheSunlight74
      @TheSunlight74 4 минуты назад

      @@JohnM1 Thanks for the info, much appreciated! I'd go for an M7 for gigging, over the Electro!

  • @Dsosakeys
    @Dsosakeys 17 часов назад

    Ronland Fantom-8 Ex always! #RFantomNation

  • @liothomasart
    @liothomasart 20 часов назад +1

    Get them both, problem solved

  • @DanLee-w7b
    @DanLee-w7b 21 час назад

    Yamaha leans toward acoustic whereas Roland leans toward electronic. Both brilliant keyboards in the right context.

  • @MarkGardner66Bonnie
    @MarkGardner66Bonnie 17 часов назад

    Dude... I would listen to you play Schroeder's piano from Charlie Brown... you are a great piano player... thank you for sharing...

  • @tntshuffle-9799
    @tntshuffle-9799 День назад +1

    Fantom, OBX8...done

  • @anthonyalexander7246
    @anthonyalexander7246 19 часов назад +1

    Roland punch, yamaha smooth. ROLAND GREAT PUNCH .

  • @francoischavalle8168
    @francoischavalle8168 День назад

    I can really hardly choose. Can’t afford to get both. Have the Jupiter XM already with all Roland sounds (not to compare of course) but I’m deceived by its ergonomy and complexity of programming. I also have lots of VSTs on my pc (home studio)
    Looking for a workstation to have a plug and play keyboard.

  • @maximilienb7718
    @maximilienb7718 Час назад

    Thé Hambourg grand on yamaha is just a kind of « pop » piano

  • @MJamesIII
    @MJamesIII 18 часов назад

    I want to hear the Montage M8x vs Nord Stage 4……

  • @ADHDville
    @ADHDville День назад

    I’m a Roland fan boy, so I’m always gonna look past its flaws! 😅

  • @stevewebb7126
    @stevewebb7126 День назад +1

    Nice synths ,out of my price range, unfortunately 😂

  • @user-JM1967
    @user-JM1967 5 часов назад +2

    Prophet 5

  • @talshafir10
    @talshafir10 14 часов назад

    Where’s the Nord?

  • @showup01
    @showup01 15 часов назад

    The only thing missing is Mike Patrick!

  • @RedMeansRecording
    @RedMeansRecording День назад +1

    Neither of these are best. The vongon replay beats them both. Tell the truth.

    • @BinauralBae
      @BinauralBae День назад

      Vongon sound flows like poetry

    • @err_rawr
      @err_rawr День назад

      Already turning your back on the osmose 😢

    • @BinauralBae
      @BinauralBae 23 часа назад +1

      @@err_rawr never learned to code

  • @Berus7777
    @Berus7777 День назад +18

    You NEVER give us a judgement, Jack. You just dance around and try to promote every product you share with us. You know DAMN well you have a strong opinion here, and you're not giving it.

    • @garyking4032
      @garyking4032 День назад +10

      It's almost as if he works in a music shop...

    • @geoffwebber8272
      @geoffwebber8272 День назад +8

      And if he did, which then resulted in you buying one over the other without doing your own research, and it turned out to be pants. You be most put out. Jacks job is to convey the products in a light hearted entertaining way combined with his high standard of playing ability. Prospective buyers should go to a shop (any shop) and try the goods for themselves.

    • @sharingmatters
      @sharingmatters 23 часа назад

      What is your bet about his favourite gear? Roland?

    • @brymills
      @brymills 23 часа назад +2

      Because they’re doing demos of stuff they stock, not unbiased independent reviews.

    • @stevenseanor4500
      @stevenseanor4500 22 часа назад +1

      He has to remain impartial though, like the BBC of music shops 🤓😂

  • @jamesstyles5415
    @jamesstyles5415 День назад +1

    Fantom 😮😮😊

  • @charthers8903
    @charthers8903 День назад

    Lovely romplers

  • @ursullavandenbord2322
    @ursullavandenbord2322 День назад +1

    Génos 2 !

    • @luucdentoom6955
      @luucdentoom6955 День назад +1

      Isn’t that like comparing apples to oranges, though?

  • @PeanutButterAM
    @PeanutButterAM 18 часов назад

    Yamaha needs to fix the midi on these new devices.

  • @MinstrelTray
    @MinstrelTray 22 часа назад

    I can't tell which one sounds best can y'all guess why lol

  • @matthewwhitaker4849
    @matthewwhitaker4849 9 часов назад

    Yamaha wins

  • @Tupac_Shakur-NL
    @Tupac_Shakur-NL 9 часов назад

    I just keep my Korg Kronos

  • @tntshuffle-9799
    @tntshuffle-9799 17 часов назад

    I dont know. I didn't really like either of them.

  • @noitnova
    @noitnova 7 часов назад

    Yamaha wins. Roland sounds like 20 years ago.

  • @anthonyalexander7246
    @anthonyalexander7246 19 часов назад

    Juno d, less is more

  • @cordlesswire
    @cordlesswire 11 часов назад

    just listen to a montage preset called ‘pearly gates’. probably the most juicy preset i ever heard. really, really nice. i dont care about… let me vomit in my mouth for a second there… brass on a synth. they ALL sound rubbish.

  • @codyspate
    @codyspate День назад

    First comment!

    • @Echochamber79
      @Echochamber79 День назад

      😆

    • @russ254
      @russ254 День назад

      I will teach my children about your magnificent achievement, right after they become fluent in Esperanto.

  • @johnbostrom8467
    @johnbostrom8467 9 часов назад

    You are not a keyboard genius.

  • @kevinmortimer1883
    @kevinmortimer1883 День назад +1

    needs the nautilus and the latest from kerzweil for a very comprehensive alternative

  • @lustrousmetal3677
    @lustrousmetal3677 23 часа назад

    Roland Fantom!