The statistic that got me on this was that it will have a max capacity of 400 more people than Icon of the Seas, but will be 30,000 GT displacement smaller than Icon, meaning a lot less common space for people to gather in. Royal has done a fantastic job of making it not feel like you're on a ship with 7,000 other people (unless you're at the pool at sailaway) by having so much common area to spread out in. I hope Carnival's engineering team figures out a way to keep it from feeling like a sardine can.
Not necessarily. Gross tonnage is a measure of interior volume. Central Park and Boardwalk on Icon are a large part of that volume. That volume could be filled with more staterooms and common space. If done right, Carnival's ships won't feel any more crowded. Although, my expectations are low that Carnival will pull it off.
@@boganpainter1638they pulled it off with excel and the zones concepts, im not too worried about crowding on this new ship which would have a space ratio higher than the current excel class
We just went on the Mardi grass last year and it didn't feel crowded. Honestly I liked it better than their smaller ships. It felt like there was more room for people to spread out and disembarking was a lot quicker. While the XL class won't be as big as the new mega class I'm sure it will have the same concept. Especially of they don't leave the middle of the ship open like royal casrribean does and instead utilizes that space to better disperse people.
@@boganpainter1638gross tonnage is a measure of enclosed volume. Since Central Park and Boardwalk on RCCL are open air they aren’t included in GT measurements. This follows the same standard in which pool decks aren’t included in GT calculations, but closed atriums can artificially inflate space ratio calculations when using GT.
@@jeromebennett9154Central Park and Boardwalk are included in the gross tonnage of the ship as they are within the superstructure of the ship. It is no different than the cargo hold of a container ship.
The trouble makers won’t be on these ships, it’ll be too expensive. The fighters go on the smaller ships, which are referred to as booze cruise(3-4 nights)
@@nylancollins4002there’s no truer statement than this. I’ve never even seen that crowd on any new ship or any long cruise. Totally out of their budget. That makes these new ships even more enticing 😊
@@vincentclausen2250 yes they are and you gotta love the options they’re giving us! Btw if you’ve ever been on one of their “monstrosities” you’d be well aware that the ship is so big and sooo spaced out with activities you’re rarely in a crowded situation. 👍
Kinda click bait on the thumbnail. As a huge Royal fan, I can't be more happy that Carnival is going to make bigger ships. As it stands now, Royal has no real competition in the massive ships, and they are under very high demand (we can all debate why, but they are). Meaning costs are also really high. Adding a massive Carnival ship will help alleviate the demand for the massive ships which hopefully will end up lowering the cost for all of us. Better do it really well, Carnival. We are all counting on you to help cruising costs for all of us!
Would love to see Carnival build more 3,000 to 4,000 ships to replace some of their smaller older ships. That would be nice and what cruisers really are asking for. Carnival need to read the comments on the vblogs. Thanks J great update. Good luck with your move. 😊😊
I agree. I think both Royal and Carnival need to look to the future as far as ports go too. More and more ports are limiting ships/passengers and still, ships just keep getting bigger and bigger. I really do wonder if it would be more prescient to build mid-size ships to anticipate and accommodate port restrictions.
Well you got lucky lol. But if you actually pay attention to cruise news. Especially this channel it's happens everyday on carnival and very little on Royal. And usually it's a much bigger event on carnival, as of Royal it's usually just an argument@@angelzipporah
I love carnival but I'll probably switch to royal when their new class comes out. They announced they are going to make new smaller ships (less than 3k people. I love the medium capacity ships but unfortunately only old ones are available at this time as they all shifted towards mega ships. When royals brand new small ships come out I'll exclusively use them
I actually think RC will start a trend when they bring out their new smaller class though. RC are the main innovators, the trailblazers that the others follow
Texas Cruiser here, Platinum on CCL. Have had two different Friends go on the newest ship, Jubilee. Both said they liked it ok but wouldn’t do it again. One said they had a rainy day and the indoor common areas were very crowded….
I read an article about these new planned ships. They seem to be expected to be about the same size as the Oasis class RCCL ship, yet holding about 1,500 more passengers. Oasis class ships for the most part do not feel crowded most of the time. But I can't imagine 1,500 more people in the space...
Not really more passengers (max capacity). But if they use the center of the ships, more intelligently and not like a mall, it's possible to feel even better. But that completely depends on design. We will see!
Lmao. What in the carnival is going on here? That is the best opening I’ve heard. And just my 2 cents worth we prefer smaller ships to the mega ships I mean you can only do so many activities.
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I agree with a lot of the comments that say that Carnival needs to start building newer smaller ships too. And not just acquiring 20 year old vessels and re-branding them as Carnival. Their Fantasy Class is just about done, so time to get more. Perhaps a bit bigger than those, but like 120-140 gross tonnage sizes. Celebrity ships are a great example of these sizes. 🙂
I’m really optimistic about these new cruise ships. Hopefully one of the new “grand” class ships (it’s a name I’m temporarily giving to the new mega carnival cruise ships) comes down to Texas like what they did to jubilee
Medium capacity, nicer restaurants and finishes is what I look for now in a cruise ship. We’ve been on Celebration, Mardi Gras, and Jubilee - great for kids but less so for adults. Celebrity has some very tempting offerings that may make us “jump ship” from Carnival.
I was on the Mardi Gras in April this year. I did love the extras but it was way too packed for me to enjoy it. Definitely going to stick to smaller ships moving forward
I looked it up and while they will hold 8,000 passengers, they’re not bigger than Royal. They will be about 230,000gt which is more then Symphony but less than Wonder
They’re bigger than most oasis class vessels and it must be considered that GT often fluctuates with the ship class so the 3rd mega ship will likely measure out at Utopias GT
Excel class ships actually hold closer to 6600, not 5600, at full capacity. The new ships will be about 47,000 GT or 25% larger but the max capcity will only be 20% more.
Interesting 😮… my first thought is with that many passengers it is going to be very difficult to get reservations for certain restaurants or shows on the ship plus with these mega ships on the rise how the ports handle this extra influx of passengers and tourists is going to be a challenge going forward….
Ships are getting way too big. I hate to see the old Fantasy class ships go away. I can't even see myself booking on anything bigger than a Vista class. When they are big enough to have balconies overlooking the interior of the ship, I'm out. And 8000 people? Ports will be even more obliterated than they are now. My cruising days may be numbered.
You were absent on the inaugural Icon sailing. A shame as I was hoping to meet you. You cited cost as a reason. You just made a commitment that you will be on these new carnival ships, but have you given thoughts as to what to do if carnival not only competes on size but also cost? Celebration Cay is definitely Coco Cay derivative, maybe these ships will be Icon derivative including cost?
I have to wonder if the rest of the costa fleet is at risk of merger and if any of their other brands will be getting new orders soon. Costa is now down to 9 ships and let’s be honest, aren’t doing the best. Does it make sense to put them under carnival in the future, especially with carnival not getting any more ships for 2.5 years after the adventure and encounter join the fleet. It’s also a genuine shock how Princess only has 1 more ship on order. Princess is fairly popular and could definitely deserve more ships. Especially with that beautiful sphere class design…
Okay cool a bigger ship just to compete with other ships but does that make it safer & can withstand bad weather while on the water. The safety should be the main concern.
This bold strategy may just pay off, if the real goal is to get as many mid size ships in secondary markets as possible. The biggest ships of course will occupy the current major ports, with Long Beach also getting one at some point, I would speculate. But the big winners will be Tampa, Jacksonville, Mobile, Baltimore and Norfolk. They will reap the benefits of bigger ships, with more amenities.
This ship sounds like the chopped up carnival vista but with 8000 people. All of carnivals new ships in my opinion are all to chopped up and tooo many people and not enough stuff. When I was on the icon. At it busiest, I was shocked that, it was it. On the carnival vista. I called it lines ship because the lines for burgers on the lido deck were around the lido deck
Eventually they will have to! Especially, if they expect them to be able to sail to the smaller port destinations. For example, Celebrity and Virgin are smaller ships and they are beautifully designed and get the job done well.🙂
I love your posts Jay,however I think Carnival are shooting themselves in the foot, building bigger ships. More and more ports ,for example in Europe, are having major issues them and banning such large ships, or charging more taxes and port fees.
⚠️🤔 Maybe possibly these new ships will be the Carnival Pinnacle … Research Carnival Pinnacle and you will be shocked that Carnival actually had plans for one of the largest ships back in the early 2000s.
Not bigger than Royal. The same as Oasis and smaller than the Icon, but Carnival's ships hold 1300 passengers more than the Icon. How do you spell sardines?
The ship is not bigger than icon, the amount of people it will hold is more but the ship itself is still smaller, only 230 gross tons, still smaller than Icon.
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Sometimes I tune in just to hear you say " What in the carnival is going on here? " You don't disappoint.
Carnival the Fun cruise line,
Okay so now we're just playing the, "Mine is bigger than yours" game....
I agree
While NCL is pushing themselves into the higher tier with smaller more elegant new ships.
Someone compensating for small pp
I feel like it’s always been like that
That’s how it’s always been n how it’s going to be
The statistic that got me on this was that it will have a max capacity of 400 more people than Icon of the Seas, but will be 30,000 GT displacement smaller than Icon, meaning a lot less common space for people to gather in. Royal has done a fantastic job of making it not feel like you're on a ship with 7,000 other people (unless you're at the pool at sailaway) by having so much common area to spread out in. I hope Carnival's engineering team figures out a way to keep it from feeling like a sardine can.
Not necessarily. Gross tonnage is a measure of interior volume. Central Park and Boardwalk on Icon are a large part of that volume. That volume could be filled with more staterooms and common space. If done right, Carnival's ships won't feel any more crowded. Although, my expectations are low that Carnival will pull it off.
@@boganpainter1638they pulled it off with excel and the zones concepts, im not too worried about crowding on this new ship which would have a space ratio higher than the current excel class
We just went on the Mardi grass last year and it didn't feel crowded. Honestly I liked it better than their smaller ships. It felt like there was more room for people to spread out and disembarking was a lot quicker. While the XL class won't be as big as the new mega class I'm sure it will have the same concept. Especially of they don't leave the middle of the ship open like royal casrribean does and instead utilizes that space to better disperse people.
@@boganpainter1638gross tonnage is a measure of enclosed volume. Since Central Park and Boardwalk on RCCL are open air they aren’t included in GT measurements. This follows the same standard in which pool decks aren’t included in GT calculations, but closed atriums can artificially inflate space ratio calculations when using GT.
@@jeromebennett9154Central Park and Boardwalk are included in the gross tonnage of the ship as they are within the superstructure of the ship. It is no different than the cargo hold of a container ship.
8000 people on Carnival = 4000 UFC chair throwin, club brawlin, pizza station Battle Royal fights! LETS GET READY TO RUUUMMMMBBBLLLLLE!
The trouble makers won’t be on these ships, it’ll be too expensive. The fighters go on the smaller ships, which are referred to as booze cruise(3-4 nights)
@@nylancollins4002there’s no truer statement than this. I’ve never even seen that crowd on any new ship or any long cruise. Totally out of their budget. That makes these new ships even more enticing 😊
Yea the new ships are very calm. You might have 1 fight on board the whole time
But royal is doing 3 nighters with their monstrosities.
@@vincentclausen2250 yes they are and you gotta love the options they’re giving us! Btw if you’ve ever been on one of their “monstrosities” you’d be well aware that the ship is so big and sooo spaced out with activities you’re rarely in a crowded situation. 👍
Kinda click bait on the thumbnail. As a huge Royal fan, I can't be more happy that Carnival is going to make bigger ships. As it stands now, Royal has no real competition in the massive ships, and they are under very high demand (we can all debate why, but they are). Meaning costs are also really high. Adding a massive Carnival ship will help alleviate the demand for the massive ships which hopefully will end up lowering the cost for all of us. Better do it really well, Carnival. We are all counting on you to help cruising costs for all of us!
Finally someone gets it. But Carnival always seems to fall short.
Would love to see Carnival build more 3,000 to 4,000 ships to replace some of their smaller older ships. That would be nice and what cruisers really are asking for. Carnival need to read the comments on the vblogs. Thanks J great update. Good luck with your move. 😊😊
I agree. I think both Royal and Carnival need to look to the future as far as ports go too. More and more ports are limiting ships/passengers and still, ships just keep getting bigger and bigger. I really do wonder if it would be more prescient to build mid-size ships to anticipate and accommodate port restrictions.
Then Royal has you covered. Their doing exactly this.
@@tjmayberry417Royal already is. They actually listen to their guests. That's why their #1
What in the Carnival is going on
8000 people on one ship? Nah, hard pass....
I'm thinking these poor island people
It’s Carnival, 8000 drunks with tattoos and excess body hair
@@jayholiday256 wow
Think of all the fights and sweet content we’re going to get from it though lol
I like to take cruises to interesting destinations. The largest ships are often not allowed in the most interesting ports
J that's excellent to hear you're getting a better place now hopefully the move will go smoothly and flawlessly you have an excellent day
30% more people means 30% more fights on Carnival
nah prob like 120% more lol repeat fighters
I always find it funny that I’ve been on 10 carnival cruises and never seen a fight, but I saw one on my second Royal Caribbean cruise
Well you got lucky lol. But if you actually pay attention to cruise news. Especially this channel it's happens everyday on carnival and very little on Royal. And usually it's a much bigger event on carnival, as of Royal it's usually just an argument@@angelzipporah
The price points on the newer ships will scare off the fighting crowd
@@johnepants let’s hope so
I love carnival but I'll probably switch to royal when their new class comes out. They announced they are going to make new smaller ships (less than 3k people. I love the medium capacity ships but unfortunately only old ones are available at this time as they all shifted towards mega ships. When royals brand new small ships come out I'll exclusively use them
I actually think RC will start a trend when they bring out their new smaller class though. RC are the main innovators, the trailblazers that the others follow
Wow! Lots of new ships. Good informative video.
Take it easy
Texas Cruiser here, Platinum on CCL. Have had two different Friends go on the newest ship, Jubilee. Both said they liked it ok but wouldn’t do it again. One said they had a rainy day and the indoor common areas were very crowded….
8000 thousand! Carnival Animal House AT SEA
Carnival needs to cancel the order for the new mega ships and order some new smaller ships
Exactly.
Just good food and good service without all the bullshit
Not only Carnival, how about Royal Caribbean?
@@MultiMattman68 I think they’re actually bringing out a new smaller class !
Great decision if you ask me
I read an article about these new planned ships. They seem to be expected to be about the same size as the Oasis class RCCL ship, yet holding about 1,500 more passengers. Oasis class ships for the most part do not feel crowded most of the time. But I can't imagine 1,500 more people in the space...
It’s 5000 GT larger than oasis class and at double occupancy holds more or less the same amount of people, the 8000 pax reading was maximum occupancy
Not really more passengers (max capacity). But if they use the center of the ships, more intelligently and not like a mall, it's possible to feel even better. But that completely depends on design. We will see!
8000 people doesn't necessarily mean the ship will be bigger. They could just jam more people on a smaller ship.
I can't wait! I will definitely be onboard.
Carnival is my favorite cruise line so i’m really excited about these ships.
I was just on the Jubilee last week and I’ll say that I love the bigger ships, I personally have no problem with them at all
Might I suggest to Carnival that they name these new ships the “Octagon” class!!
Lmao. What in the carnival is going on here? That is the best opening I’ve heard. And just my 2 cents worth we prefer smaller ships to the mega ships I mean you can only do so many activities.
I agree with a lot of the comments that say that Carnival needs to start building newer smaller ships too. And not just acquiring 20 year old vessels and re-branding them as Carnival. Their Fantasy Class is just about done, so time to get more. Perhaps a bit bigger than those, but like 120-140 gross tonnage sizes. Celebrity ships are a great example of these sizes. 🙂
just sailed on ICON, pretty amazing ship
I’m really optimistic about these new cruise ships. Hopefully one of the new “grand” class ships (it’s a name I’m temporarily giving to the new mega carnival cruise ships) comes down to Texas like what they did to jubilee
I hope carnival will have security in place for all of the royal rumbles they have on their ships and flying chairs
Medium capacity, nicer restaurants and finishes is what I look for now in a cruise ship. We’ve been on Celebration, Mardi Gras, and Jubilee - great for kids but less so for adults. Celebrity has some very tempting offerings that may make us “jump ship” from Carnival.
Count me out on the large ships. I tried Mardi Gras and HATED it.
I was on the Mardi Gras in April this year. I did love the extras but it was way too packed for me to enjoy it. Definitely going to stick to smaller ships moving forward
Hated?
I already don’t like how it look with all those rooms stacked up on each other in the front. It’s a people pusher with 8k passengers!
Holly crap...enough said..
With services stretched now, where do they think they will find enough employees to work these new ships?
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from what I see the larger cruise ships have smaller or narrower rooms
I think Carnival needs to revisit Project Pinnacle from the 2000s
I looked it up and while they will hold 8,000 passengers, they’re not bigger than Royal. They will be about 230,000gt which is more then Symphony but less than Wonder
They’re bigger than most oasis class vessels and it must be considered that GT often fluctuates with the ship class so the 3rd mega ship will likely measure out at Utopias GT
So there will be more fights. Great.
I love Carnival but I have no interest in being on a ship with 7998 guests I don't know.
Hey Jay, do you think there will ever be a max cap on the capacity of these mega ships?
They are really floating city’s 😮
Amazing to me!!
Party Time 🎉!!!!
Very interesting!
Maybe carnival will have a boxing ring for all the fights
I’m holding out for the cruise ship that has a football stadium on the top deck.
Will carnival then create with the larger ships a true concierge class. Carnival doesn't have anything near haven or yacth club accommodations.
Excel class ships actually hold closer to 6600, not 5600, at full capacity. The new ships will be about 47,000 GT or 25% larger but the max capcity will only be 20% more.
Disney has a new one coming out and I believe it's going to be the largest? Disney Adventure
What the story with royals discovery class haven't heard anything about them
Interesting 😮… my first thought is with that many passengers it is going to be very difficult to get reservations for certain restaurants or shows on the ship plus with these mega ships on the rise how the ports handle this extra influx of passengers and tourists is going to be a challenge going forward….
Ships are getting way too big. I hate to see the old Fantasy class ships go away. I can't even see myself booking on anything bigger than a Vista class. When they are big enough to have balconies overlooking the interior of the ship, I'm out. And 8000 people? Ports will be even more obliterated than they are now. My cruising days may be numbered.
You were absent on the inaugural Icon sailing. A shame as I was hoping to meet you. You cited cost as a reason.
You just made a commitment that you will be on these new carnival ships, but have you given thoughts as to what to do if carnival not only competes on size but also cost?
Celebration Cay is definitely Coco Cay derivative, maybe these ships will be Icon derivative including cost?
Although I don’t like the idea of 8000 Carnavillians 😂it’s good to know Carnival is adding newer ships. They needed more options!
I want to see the guy with heart shaped glasses sipping on a cocktail video clip👍
Almost 300K! 🎉
So will there be enough lifeboats to evacuate in an emergency....or titanic again 🤔
That's a big vessel. 😮
Only Con: more carnival caliber people.
all these new ship builds are getting ridiculous!!!
I have to wonder if the rest of the costa fleet is at risk of merger and if any of their other brands will be getting new orders soon.
Costa is now down to 9 ships and let’s be honest, aren’t doing the best. Does it make sense to put them under carnival in the future, especially with carnival not getting any more ships for 2.5 years after the adventure and encounter join the fleet.
It’s also a genuine shock how Princess only has 1 more ship on order. Princess is fairly popular and could definitely deserve more ships. Especially with that beautiful sphere class design…
More room to fight lol😂
Say what you want but these ships sound promising
Mega Walmart Supercenter at sea
Maybe we'll see a tour of those new ships courtesy of extra fights onboard. I just want my pizza ...lol
long lines waiting for the elevators
Okay cool a bigger ship just to compete with other ships but does that make it safer & can withstand bad weather while on the water. The safety should be the main concern.
8000 on a carnival ship? Didn’t the frequent fighting craze start with the xl ships at 4000?
In a sailing away from Diamond on carnival and won’t be sailing on a ship with that many people. I prefer the smaller ships
It’s insane to have the 8k passengers
Smart move would be to build 5 smaller class ships than 3 ‘mines bigger than yours’ ships.
This bold strategy may just pay off, if the real goal is to get as many mid size ships in secondary markets as possible. The biggest ships of course will occupy the current major ports, with Long Beach also getting one at some point, I would speculate. But the big winners will be Tampa, Jacksonville, Mobile, Baltimore and Norfolk. They will reap the benefits of bigger ships, with more amenities.
It wouldn't surprise me if Royal Caribbean came out with a 10k passenger cruise ship by then. Hopefully they can sail out of Philadelphia and NYC
More people = more fighting on board carnival 🎉
More medical stops etc
What in the carnival 🎡 lol 😂
I think they are all big enough atp. Focus on safety and value.
This ship sounds like the chopped up carnival vista but with 8000 people. All of carnivals new ships in my opinion are all to chopped up and tooo many people and not enough stuff. When I was on the icon. At it busiest, I was shocked that, it was it. On the carnival vista. I called it lines ship because the lines for burgers on the lido deck were around the lido deck
Weird we went on the vista in May and never waited more than 10 min for something
@@1107jordanlego I just felt sso small and cut up compared to like the Mariner of the seas that's all open and less people and a smaller ship
Carnival xl ship hold on 66000 at full capacity 0ver 8300 with crew
According to Carnival if you can’t beat em join em. Next big surprise in 2050 is Carnival’s Carnival of the Seas. 😂
BRO THIS GOT ME ROLLING 💀
What's the difference between largest in the entire world vs largest in the world?
By the time that the new carnival ships come out royal will be also putting out a ship bigger the that!
Sooo, 4000 fights per cruise?
Why don’t they make some new smaller ships 🤷🏽♂️
Eventually they will have to! Especially, if they expect them to be able to sail to the smaller port destinations. For example, Celebrity and Virgin are smaller ships and they are beautifully designed and get the job done well.🙂
So over these monster ships...I prefer 2-2.5K passenger ships. Sticking with Celebrity and Holland...
Imagine in the future where ships like icon of the seas size is a smaller ship like titanic is to us now
Shipbuilding is a big business.
Im hoping Carnival attempts to bring back the Pinnacle Project with these new ships.
If they keep building big ships what is going to happen to ports like Tampa and Jacksonville
They get the 50 year old small ships for a couple months before they are scrapped
I love your posts Jay,however I think Carnival are shooting themselves in the foot, building bigger ships.
More and more ports ,for example in Europe, are having major issues them and banning such large ships, or charging more taxes and port fees.
I'm loyal to royal. But if carnival was smart. Build smaller ships that will get to better and more ports and they will rule the cruise business
⚠️🤔 Maybe possibly these new ships will be the Carnival Pinnacle … Research Carnival Pinnacle and you will be shocked that Carnival actually had plans for one of the largest ships back in the early 2000s.
I use to cruise on carnival that was many moons ago but I’m a Royal Caribbean family the only cruise line other than Royal Caribbean is Celebrity
Not bigger than Royal. The same as Oasis and smaller than the Icon, but Carnival's ships hold 1300 passengers more than the Icon. How do you spell sardines?
No one needs bigger, just make the existing ships better.
Royal has no worry about Carnival different customer base...
This is why my wife and I seek small to mid-sized ships. I want to relax and enjoy; not sail on a 24/7 amusement park.
Love carnival but I think imma pass.. 8k is way too many ppl. Plus these super mega ships will only be able to go to the same ports
They need more room for their fights?
Yeah 8000 Carnival passengers on one boat......what could possibly go wrong? I would neeeever eeeeever give Carnival a chance on a boat that big!!!
Them people starting to think the world is going to flood or what?😅
The ship is not bigger than icon, the amount of people it will hold is more but the ship itself is still smaller, only 230 gross tons, still smaller than Icon.
Nahh they done come up with Pinnacle+ class (this is bigger than the 2004 concept)