Gene Roddenberry said he specifically created Wesley to be himself when he was a teen, although he admits that he was never the genius that Wesley was. In fact, Gene's middle name was Wesley.
I liked Wesley when I watched TNG during its original run for reasons that Wil Wheaton later wrote, "he was a kid who was mature for his age and the adults couldn't figure out how to deal with him." I was in a similar position at the time, with my father demanding adult level responsibility (and it was a lot on a 70 head dairy farm) and unable to handle the fact that I was still a kid so would make mistakes.
Its amazing how tough the application process seems to be to get into Star Fleet Academy but then you also see the ludicrous officers that graduated from there or how menial their duties are on board a starship.
Also Nog seemed to have an easier time than Wesley. I’ve seen some people suggest they had different “skill set” slots, and that Wesley was only competing amongst the other super-gifted kids for scientific and technical placements. Which, I’m not super sure how I feel about. On one hand it ensures everyone can contribute within their abilities if they choose. OTOH it feels kind of weird to box kids in like that, especially because Nog _does_ end up being a technical genius. But I guess that does surprise a few of the folks above him in the chain of command, at first, so maybe that confirms it is happening but also it’s flexible-enough to realise when it misjudged someone?
Crisis on Infinite Crushers. One Wesley is standing in the center of the panel, crying out to the heavens while cradling the limp body of another Wesley in his arms, while various Wesleys look on in dismay.
I'd enjoy it if Wesley shows up in Star Trek: Legacy to meet his half-brother. The kid that was basically raised by Picard and his mother and the kid who was raised by just his mother that is actually Picard's kid.
That would certainly be an interesting meeting and interaction. Q would definitely love to see the younger Crusher boy squirm with the uncomfortableness of the situation when it really shouldn't be that big of a deal. Westly was a grown man and had left to start learning to become a traveler before Jack was ever born. The only reason for there to be a problem is silly, lower being issues that humanity needs to shed if they are going to be ready to deal with going to the next level.
When Q offered Riker the continuums powers he mentioned that humanity could one day surpass them. Could Wesley be the first such entity from humanity that Q was worried about?
Two corrections: - He was not aquitted on Rubicun III. He is recorded as "convicted criminal out of their reach". The Edo God choose not to stop them - this time. If he ever sets foot there, he will be killed. - His appearance on the wedding was cut. The story behind the uniform was him popping up expecting a traditional betazoid wedding - everyone naked. So he needed some clothing fast.
@@christopherg2347 I can't imagine getting to a wedding venue, nude and finding everyone being fully clothed, and having to explain wtf was going on with you.
Will Wheaton and by extension Westly Crusher is so universally despised that upon his introduction to Star Trek Online, for the first time in 8 years, there was a queue to logon to their servers. Apparently people were that anxious for the ability to shut him up.
"SHUT UP, WESLEY!" I was 5 when TNG began and 11 when it concluded. I never liked Wesley or looked up to him as a role model. Going into Starfleet wasn't thrust upon him. He jumped at the opportunity to take on bridge duties on the Enterprise-D. He could have said no at any time if that wasn't what he wanted to do. It just stopped being "fun" for him following the events of Nova Squadron. Wesley was a real jerk to his mom and Geordi during Journey's End. I like that he lost his abilities at the end of the Q Conflict. It's amazing that Wil Wheaton has found a way to be more unlikeable than the character he portrayed.
This is pretty much word for word my own reading of the character. I also saw a lot of the same issues with Sisko's son which tainted his character for me though to be fair he did have moments where we was enjoyable to watch.
@Hybris51129 I agree with you on Jake. For me, Nog was a much better character. He started out as a stereotypical Ferengi, strived to be something more, entered Starfleet, lost his leg during wartime, and suffered thru crippling PTSD. I'm a war veteran, and that episode when he wouldn't leave the holodeck hit pretty close to home. I've seen a lot of combat vets react the same way after getting home from deployment.
@@francescozenocchini4428 He was one of the first big Gary Stu's of fiction. That's a big reason why. People can't relate to a character like him, one that's good at everything because the plot needs him to be.
Was meant to be a boy genius character, or rather Roddenberry's self insert. A classic Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Unfortunately the writers couldn't figure out how to handle a smart teenage character well, and he quickly came across as annoying.
Can we talk about how weird it is that there are duplicates for pretty much everyone in the mirror universe? Like that is incredibly implausible and weird
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat I mean even the relationships are not the same, we know this from sisko, and that's ignoring how butterfly wing your luck is for an egg and sperm mix which is implied to be almost exactly the same
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I get the real-world reason, just does not make logical sense. It's a weird plot hole from alternative timeline and universes.
after watching this, when you mentioned Daniels....i had a thought....Garry 7 and the Laris look a like from season 2 of Picard were part of the group of Traverlers going by what Wesley descirbed to Cory...what if the "TRAVELER"S are what the Time Agency from Voyager and Enterprise become when they realize that they could do so much more to protect the time line by expanding enlistment to civilians and not just Star Fleet....eventually in the future they would come across aliens that have powers like "The Traveler" from TNG....the Q or even the race Kevin Uxbridge belongs too....there are many races that can manipulate time...even the Worm Hole Aliens from DS9 were outside time itself and had some ability to time travel
Now I'm wondering if Wesley will be able to visit Jack (Jean-Luc and Beverly’s son) since they're half-brothers it'd be interesting to see how they would interact✨️✨️✨️
So, were the crew's feelings about W.C. ,in general, was that he was kinda a freak (in a very mild shade) ...or maybe just _odd duck_ . Man that Ashley Judd was hot!!
Writers were not great at writing smart, young characters. Granted its a hard line to walk, usually comes across as whiny, angst-ridden, annoying teenagers.
I imagine the Travelers like editors, trying to keep the continuity from tearing itself apart. The Q are like producers, whatever they say goes no matter how nonsensical.
Jake was the Anti-Wesley in that he was just a normal kid and that you don't necessarily have to be in Starfleet to have a successful life in the galaxy.
When I learned early versions of the character were called Leslie Crusher I got a bit sad he was made into a more direct self-insert for Gene. Also I feel like seeing a super smart girl might’ve sent a more positive message. But also I just think girls are cooler anyway so I’m biased 🤷♀️
Would have been so epic if wesley would have been in ds9 and then in voy as a main caracter after tng. also he should have married Ensign Lefler INSTANTLY because she was so unbelievably cute and HOT
I see the typical stupidity and meme-heads are still alive and well in the comments. The general "internet consensus" on Wesely is basically divorced from reality at this point. "It's just fune and games" Sure, but ya'll behave like console or sports team fanboys, and we know for many of them, its not really just meme's is it? And it's not for way too many of you, either.
@@Cdr2002 ye, particular when they think they are "very Funny" but are just a bunch of mean arses with their "Boomer humor" if they want to be angry, then the writers that didn't know what to do with the Character, but beeing an bully to an Actor is just shitty behaviour
i mean, it says A LOT about you if you hate one of the nicest persons on the Planet and normaly i would say "think about that" but that Starship has sailed
@@enisra_bowman Fanboi crap. He is one of those people who are only "nice" if you follow every aspect of his ideology otherwise he attacks people. No different than Christians who are "nice people" as long as you aren't Muslim.
@@enisra_bowman He was literally attacking people at that weird livestream art project thing he did a few years back. He has a habit of shoving his beliefs down the throats of people who don't want anything to do with him. Not exactly the characteristics of a nice person.
Gene Roddenberry said he specifically created Wesley to be himself when he was a teen, although he admits that he was never the genius that Wesley was. In fact, Gene's middle name was Wesley.
I liked Wesley when I watched TNG during its original run for reasons that Wil Wheaton later wrote, "he was a kid who was mature for his age and the adults couldn't figure out how to deal with him." I was in a similar position at the time, with my father demanding adult level responsibility (and it was a lot on a 70 head dairy farm) and unable to handle the fact that I was still a kid so would make mistakes.
Did they forget the part where Wesley almost erased his Mother from existence in a static warp bubble?
I'm surprised I didn't include it either…
Its amazing how tough the application process seems to be to get into Star Fleet Academy but then you also see the ludicrous officers that graduated from there or how menial their duties are on board a starship.
It would really suck to have to sit through a simulation of your childhood trauma just to qualify to clean the holodeck bio filters.
Also Nog seemed to have an easier time than Wesley. I’ve seen some people suggest they had different “skill set” slots, and that Wesley was only competing amongst the other super-gifted kids for scientific and technical placements. Which, I’m not super sure how I feel about. On one hand it ensures everyone can contribute within their abilities if they choose.
OTOH it feels kind of weird to box kids in like that, especially because Nog _does_ end up being a technical genius. But I guess that does surprise a few of the folks above him in the chain of command, at first, so maybe that confirms it is happening but also it’s flexible-enough to realise when it misjudged someone?
Right ??? He’s a super genius but flunks out yet Barclay gets in … 🧐
Given the kid's super brainpower he did nothing to hide, I'm surprised he wasn't accused of being Augment.
Well, the whole "Augments are illegal" thing didn't even exist until three years after the end of TNG.
I'm still sad we didn't get the title of "Emperor Crusher" in STO after we beat him
Crisis on Infinite Crushers. One Wesley is standing in the center of the panel, crying out to the heavens while cradling the limp body of another Wesley in his arms, while various Wesleys look on in dismay.
I'd enjoy it if Wesley shows up in Star Trek: Legacy to meet his half-brother. The kid that was basically raised by Picard and his mother and the kid who was raised by just his mother that is actually Picard's kid.
That would certainly be an interesting meeting and interaction. Q would definitely love to see the younger Crusher boy squirm with the uncomfortableness of the situation when it really shouldn't be that big of a deal. Westly was a grown man and had left to start learning to become a traveler before Jack was ever born. The only reason for there to be a problem is silly, lower being issues that humanity needs to shed if they are going to be ready to deal with going to the next level.
And in every timeline, people say, “Shut up, Wesley.” 😂
When Q offered Riker the continuums powers he mentioned that humanity could one day surpass them. Could Wesley be the first such entity from humanity that Q was worried about?
Two corrections:
- He was not aquitted on Rubicun III.
He is recorded as "convicted criminal out of their reach". The Edo God choose not to stop them - this time.
If he ever sets foot there, he will be killed.
- His appearance on the wedding was cut. The story behind the uniform was him popping up expecting a traditional betazoid wedding - everyone naked. So he needed some clothing fast.
fucking hilarous.
@@kommandantgalileo The wedding thing?
Yes, absolutely!
@@christopherg2347 I can't imagine getting to a wedding venue, nude and finding everyone being fully clothed, and having to explain wtf was going on with you.
Oh nobody cares about W. Crusher...
@@kommandantgalileo Well, Betazoid tradition.
He _probably_ should have checked in first about the (un)dress code. But maybe he was running late?
Would be funny if there was a sound bite of Picard saying "Shut up Westly" at the start of the video.
Or randomly though the video
No
I was looking for it, was disappointed :(
I was thinking the same thing. The look on Dr. Crusher's face after Picard said Shut up Wesley was priceless.
The first thought that crossed my mind when I saw the thumbnail was, shut up Wesley!
In every universe and timeline there's always somebody to tell Wesley to shut up.
Will Wheaton and by extension Westly Crusher is so universally despised that upon his introduction to Star Trek Online, for the first time in 8 years, there was a queue to logon to their servers. Apparently people were that anxious for the ability to shut him up.
i hope everyone had a great thanksgiving, especially you reading this!
"SHUT UP, WESLEY!"
I was 5 when TNG began and 11 when it concluded. I never liked Wesley or looked up to him as a role model.
Going into Starfleet wasn't thrust upon him. He jumped at the opportunity to take on bridge duties on the Enterprise-D. He could have said no at any time if that wasn't what he wanted to do. It just stopped being "fun" for him following the events of Nova Squadron.
Wesley was a real jerk to his mom and Geordi during Journey's End.
I like that he lost his abilities at the end of the Q Conflict.
It's amazing that Wil Wheaton has found a way to be more unlikeable than the character he portrayed.
This is pretty much word for word my own reading of the character. I also saw a lot of the same issues with Sisko's son which tainted his character for me though to be fair he did have moments where we was enjoyable to watch.
@Hybris51129 I agree with you on Jake.
For me, Nog was a much better character. He started out as a stereotypical Ferengi, strived to be something more, entered Starfleet, lost his leg during wartime, and suffered thru crippling PTSD. I'm a war veteran, and that episode when he wouldn't leave the holodeck hit pretty close to home. I've seen a lot of combat vets react the same way after getting home from deployment.
Whestly, the only reason Troi was not the most hated character.
Ah yes, everyone's favorite character
😂
I neever understand why he's so hated. I like him!!!
@@francescozenocchini4428 He was one of the first big Gary Stu's of fiction. That's a big reason why. People can't relate to a character like him, one that's good at everything because the plot needs him to be.
Was meant to be a boy genius character, or rather Roddenberry's self insert. A classic Gary Stu/Mary Sue. Unfortunately the writers couldn't figure out how to handle a smart teenage character well, and he quickly came across as annoying.
he didn't freeze time, he LEFT thier time.
The main antagonist of the early TNG seasons
Lieuant Wesley Crusher I missed him as Starfleet officer.❤
Ah, yes, the Mozart of intergalactic space warp .
Has he written any symphonies yet ?
Perhaps a Klingon opera?
@@followerofjulian1652 That would be something to Worfs liking .
He has, but they’re symphonies of completely inaudible warp trails (with significant visual components outside of our visible spectrum to boot).
@@kaitlyn__L Hm, fair point of order .
I enjoy the non canon Wesley appearances. Notably, Debtor's Planet. And there's a novella in an alternative universe collection.
Can we talk about how weird it is that there are duplicates for pretty much everyone in the mirror universe? Like that is incredibly implausible and weird
Same people manage to be born even though countless different bloodlines would have died out
@@UCannotDefeatMyShmeat I mean even the relationships are not the same, we know this from sisko, and that's ignoring how butterfly wing your luck is for an egg and sperm mix which is implied to be almost exactly the same
Mirror universe would be boring otherwise
@@highlordlaughterofcanada8685 I get the real-world reason, just does not make logical sense. It's a weird plot hole from alternative timeline and universes.
“Captain I’ve recalibrated the outboard-“
“SHUT UP WESLEY 👏 👏 👏👏👏
SHUT UP WESLEY 👏 👏 👏👏👏”
after watching this, when you mentioned Daniels....i had a thought....Garry 7 and the Laris look a like from season 2 of Picard were part of the group of Traverlers going by what Wesley descirbed to Cory...what if the "TRAVELER"S are what the Time Agency from Voyager and Enterprise become when they realize that they could do so much more to protect the time line by expanding enlistment to civilians and not just Star Fleet....eventually in the future they would come across aliens that have powers like "The Traveler" from TNG....the Q or even the race Kevin Uxbridge belongs too....there are many races that can manipulate time...even the Worm Hole Aliens from DS9 were outside time itself and had some ability to time travel
Nice, he had an Avengers momment with others of himself.
I would've loved for him to graduate but become more jaded and to see him possibly as part of voyager crew.
I need him to meet Jack Crusher Picard ASAP
I made them box at the family bbq
We all know Wesley is actually Jean-Luc’s kid
@@clintmatthews3500 umm no he did not cum from my nuts
The Traveler gave me the heebee geebees. Stranger danger.
And his weird nubs
Now I'm wondering if Wesley will be able to visit Jack (Jean-Luc and Beverly’s son) since they're half-brothers it'd be interesting to see how they would interact✨️✨️✨️
Half brothers i think we all know they are full brothers
Yes RUclips auto subtitles, I’m sure Certifiably Ingame was trying to say “Captain John Luke bicard”!
So, were the crew's feelings about W.C. ,in general, was that he was kinda a freak (in a very mild shade) ...or maybe just _odd duck_ . Man that Ashley Judd was hot!!
Homeboy landed Ashley Judd. Respect.
Wesley started out as a gimmick on TNG, but he eventually evolved into a real person.
Writers were not great at writing smart, young characters. Granted its a hard line to walk, usually comes across as whiny, angst-ridden, annoying teenagers.
Love him or hate him. Wesley sure was attracted to some beautiful women through out his time.
Have you seen Anne Wheaton? 😊
W H E A A A A A A T O O O N!
Cool he's a dimensional traveler
Are travelers the trek version of timelords?
Weaaatooonn!!!
How do the Travelers compared to the Q Continuum?
Also, Wesley is basically Kang?
I imagine the Travelers like editors, trying to keep the continuity from tearing itself apart. The Q are like producers, whatever they say goes no matter how nonsensical.
Jake Sisco was so much better than Wesley.
Jake felt like a character while Wesley felt like a plot contrivance.
Didn't help that the character was played by a bad actor.
Jake was the Anti-Wesley in that he was just a normal kid and that you don't necessarily have to be in Starfleet to have a successful life in the galaxy.
Nice "Young Harry Houdini" reference 😂😂😂
"Shut up Wesley."
Well this is unfortunate out of date. Still great.
Its Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff!!
🖖
They could have done a lot more with his character.
And they did now. Go watch Prodigy S2.
Remember that time he became a god
In the beta content I am wondering if Wesley Crusher finds out about his half brother between Beverly and Jean Luc.
Also a time traveler, great, might as well call yourself Dr who.
Timeline ...sss broke me.
it wasn't even that funny but I am ugly crylaughing :D
A character for hopeless teen males watching the show.
I think the traveler is just grooming him..in the bad way.
Thank you Rick and shut up Wesley
I've always considered Wesley to be non-canon.
So you don’t understand what “canon” means then .
@@Cdr2002 So you don't understand what "head canon" means then.
Wesley is actually one of those aliens from men in black that pilot human vehicles
Rico I like to fart in JARS and send them to my boss he thinks it's Jimmy from the Tech department 😉
Iam Jacksson.
I am Jacks son.
But in star trek pacard his mum says that he is dead
it's a shame Wil is insufferable
00:1 SHUT UP RICK 😂
With the time travel nonsense they somehow managed to make Wesley even more obnoxious than when he was a kid. Somehow…
When I learned early versions of the character were called Leslie Crusher I got a bit sad he was made into a more direct self-insert for Gene. Also I feel like seeing a super smart girl might’ve sent a more positive message. But also I just think girls are cooler anyway so I’m biased 🤷♀️
39
Would have been so epic if wesley would have been in ds9 and then in voy as a main caracter after tng. also he should have married Ensign Lefler INSTANTLY because she was so unbelievably cute and HOT
I see the typical stupidity and meme-heads are still alive and well in the comments. The general "internet consensus" on Wesely is basically divorced from reality at this point. "It's just fune and games" Sure, but ya'll behave like console or sports team fanboys, and we know for many of them, its not really just meme's is it? And it's not for way too many of you, either.
Thank you so much for saying this. Rick is actually a fairly reasonable guy but the knobheads are always polluting his comment sections
@@Cdr2002 ye, particular when they think they are "very Funny" but are just a bunch of mean arses with their "Boomer humor"
if they want to be angry, then the writers that didn't know what to do with the Character, but beeing an bully to an Actor is just shitty behaviour
@@enisra_bowman agreed
Yes, how dare people voice their opinions on a character
@@Cdr2002 Oh yeah and gatekeeping is so much better
Time travel is such freaking lazy writing
I cannot explain how much i detest both the character and actor.
i mean, it says A LOT about you if you hate one of the nicest persons on the Planet and normaly i would say "think about that" but that Starship has sailed
@@enisra_bowman Fanboi crap. He is one of those people who are only "nice" if you follow every aspect of his ideology otherwise he attacks people. No different than Christians who are "nice people" as long as you aren't Muslim.
@@Mutiny960or vice versa.
@@friedrudibega6384 Either/Or not a fan of any ideology that discriminates based on your level of "Righteousness".
@@enisra_bowman He was literally attacking people at that weird livestream art project thing he did a few years back. He has a habit of shoving his beliefs down the throats of people who don't want anything to do with him. Not exactly the characteristics of a nice person.
yeah, nobody cares about Wesley
I hated Wesley as a character not a fan of the actor either
**SHUT UP WESLEY!** Who could have ever predicted the Real-Life person would end up even more annoying and narcissistic than his character lol.
i think you should cover Jake.