PRO TIPS for quick Floyd tuning: 1. Tune your strings in the order E>e>A>B>D>G 2. Overshoot the correct pitch. E is flat? Tune it sharp. Now e is flat? Tune IT sharp. A is flat? Tune it less sharp. Repeat the pattern until the middle two strings are close to already being in tune by the time you get to them. Get a feel for this and I promise you you'll be able to tune within 30 seconds. Thank me later.
@@orora667 Same concept applies, tune from the "outside in," so tune the lowest string first, then highest, then second lowest, then second highest, etc, ending with the one in the middle. "Overshoot" the correct pitch, more on the outer strings less on the inner strings, not at all on the center string. By the time you've tuned the center one, the outer ones should have gone from "overshot" to close to the correct pitch. It should work with any number of strings once you get a feel for it.
Really? I just saw a youtube video an was ready to go. That being said I don't like crazy whamy stuff so that may be why mine doesn't give me any problems
@@thekramer1097 I think people just love to make that comment for meme’s sake. Same with changing strings on a floating bridge or tuning the high E (e?). I can’t set up string action nor do trusrod adjustment but I can do the intonation on my Ibanez RGs (Edge&Edge Zero) just fine and string changing is easier than breathing for me. And I’m not even a guitar geek nor a good player. People who comment “tuning high e is scary” or “floating bridge sucks” are just trolling or just being lazy.
@@iganpparamarta8813 Yeah I think the joke went over my head because I love floating bridges. I don't even have a good one, I have an ibanez rg with one of the the crapier edge bridges (I think) still never goes out of tune
@@ChronicMetamorphosis I agree, there is definitely a learning curve. However, this created a love - hate relationship with that particular guitar which I am still getting over xD
I legit rewatch a RUclips video of a guy restringing and setting up his Floyd rose guitar every time I start to think about buying one. Still don’t own one. I recently bought a Solar with an evertune system on it and it doesn’t divebomb or anything but I’ll tell you what it takes 5 seconds to change a string and I don’t have to ever...tune it again after the first time
Same i got a sterling music man jp70 and it doesn’t do dive bombs or crazy stuff like that but the tuning is rock solid and restringing it is the easiest it’s ever been in my life.
Changing a string is like 3 minutes tops on my Ibanez Edge, which is basically a floyd. Tuning stability is amazing, sometimes it gets off like every few months but that's really not bad. People will complain but the floyd rose is not that bad and I intend to get a few more.
Nah, you just need to block the bridge first. I started on a Floyd and still haven't considered getting rid of it. I would just say, if you don't have use for one, of course don't get one. But if you want it, it's not rocket science...
@@scourge34 Yeah i don’t got one yet but idk what it is with people thinking changing strings on a floyd rose is so dramatic and painful. Im getting one soon :)
At the guitar shop I used to work at we would call them "Freud-Los"(pronounced kinda like "froyd lose", so swapping the r and l) which is german for "joy-less" and that about sums them up
Lmao I love Floyd’s. It’s all about setup and if you tune it low E, high E, B, A, G, D in that order you’re good to go. AND NEVER EVER take all the strings off, you replace them in that same tuning order too. I actually grew quite fond of the fine tuners after that.
How would I put it in drop D? Would I need the EVH D-Tuna, or can I do it by hand? Also stressed that if I buy a FL guitar with the floating bridge, the strings will always snap and I’d have to start over.
Put it in drop D, or whatever tuning, then use the screws under the back cover that the springs attach to, to adjust tension and keep the FR level with the body. Re tune the guitar, then adjust as needed, then retune. Rinse and repeat a few times till its good to go.
@@89kilemal guess once one figures out out how it actually works them they can remove all the strings and set it back up. I just clean as I go and try to keep it clean.
I love divebombs to death but after all the pains of floating bridges, I ended up loving fixed bridges cuz I just wanna play, not tune or set up the damn thing for hours. Nice Ibanez btw, loved that flamed top.
@@leakingmud My bud bought a floyd rose washburn and i, for the life of me, would never even think about buying one, even though i'm a heavy fan of metal. he just went home with it, after we both tried to restring it from scratch (cuz the strings are old as shit and we don't know the gauge) for 4 hours. it was my first ever experience of setting up an electric (yet alone a floyd one) and as you guessed, it was horrible...
@@Maxime_L91 don't forget that you'll have to adjust intonation. And probably action. And maybe the truss rod. And each of those things (string thickness, action, truss rod) will all separately affect intonation. So if you did intonation before noticing you needed other adjustments you have to do it all over again. Including having to loosen the strings for every individual adjustment. Unless you have a special tool, which I do, but which doesn't fit on the specific model bridge I have.
@@theharvardyard2356 Yeah bit thats the game with fixed bridges too. Ever adjusted an acoustic? File the saddle until intonation is perfect. If you go too far you're fucked.
I remember when it took me an hour to put strings on my first one. Had to look up a RUclips video and everything. There was definitely some buyers remorse.
So true! LOL. Actually my trems stay in tune pretty well once the strings stretch out, but then there probably only a few weeks from needing to be changed again so they're not dead sounding. First world problems.
Not me at 14 years old getting a Floyd Rose equipped Jackson and constantly switching between drop D and standard. I stayed tuning that guitar ALL THE TIME. I would always revert back to my hardtail Ibanez RG. Love both guitars and when the FR was good and I left it alone, it was amazing. Soon as you go touching it or break a string, prepare for a few hours of messing around if you've never set one up.
Oh god, is that ever the truth. I've bought Floyds three times, thinking, this time it'll work. This time I'll love it! Shortly thereafter... Kijiji, here we come!
I love the floyd on Jackson Smith Signature. First floyd I've owed personally and once it's set up, It never looses tuning! Setting it up correctly is half the battle!
@@axeman2638 definitely a fault in design, agree there. That's why a good set sorts them. Have had plenty of success in plenty of years doing that to other peoples guitars 😉. I'm not a floyd man myself but I wanted the Smith Sig, being a fan. Was gonna block it off but thought I'd spend time on it and it works flawlessly. Just out of a 3hr band practice there and had to fine tune maybe twice. Setup is half the battle!! Good luck!
@@jonjoe9232 don't need luck cos i don't have or want a floating tremolo guitar. Try doing SRV trainwreck multi string bends with one, how flat do the unbent strings go? What happens to your intonation when you use palm damping ? You go girl.
New at guitar, bought my first floyd rose bout 2 weeks ago without realizing. No clue what they were. So you could imagine my frustration when I couldn't make it hold tune. Figured it out though, and now I have achieved perfect F L O A T
The only guitar i have is a floyd rose guitar. I can confirm this, and it's more pain when you break a string or something goes wrong with the action, specially if you're like me and only have 2 springs instead of 3
Easy, just buy a bunch of picks, tape them together and use that to block the bridge on both directions, carry on with whatever you want to change, string gauge, tuning, intonation, truss rods…retune using tuning heads and screw drivers, never use the fine tuner. It does take more time but once you know how it’s done, it’s easy.
I love my Floyd-Rose guitar. We had a rough start to our relationship and then we decided to take a break for a couple of years to find ourselves and what we really wanted from our relationship, but once we decided to lock the bridge entirely, our relationship started to really flourish.
@@thekramer1097 in the 80s and early 90s, whammy bars and crazy solos (think Steve vai, Van Halen, poison, etc) were a lot more common is what I mean. There’s a handful today, but more often I see guitarists with fixed bridges or non locking trems. Locking trems aren’t particularly convenient for guitarists who change tunings often. But I did say “I wished they were more popular”, cherry picking five bands doesn’t negate what I said, it reinforces it lol. I could name 20 bands from the 80s alone. Edit: Billy Idol, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Poison, Van Halen, Ratt, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Whitesnake (they had 12 guitarists, Adrian Vandenberg comes to mjnd), Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Scorpions (Matthias Jabs), Pantera, Skid Row, Dokken, Warrant, Queensryche, White Lion, Winger, and Firehouse, 20 bands just from the 80s.
@@salildeshpande7 It all depends on the series. A floyd rose original is pretty great, and often the problem people have with locking trems is the fact that they ended up getting a bad one like any of the lower tier floyd rose's out there. Edge trems are just as good, and I prefer the lo-pro edge from Ibanez because it's low profile.
I have about 12 Floyd Rose equipped Guitars. One Kahler Spyder Floating trem. A. Couple ibanez and Jackson branded licensed Floyd Rose. and maybe two or five fixed bridge types. My bass. And my acoustic. And 3 electric. But I honestly LOVE my Floyd Rose equipped.Guitars
When I got my first guitar with a Floyd rose, I ended up using every pair of strings I had trying to get the damn thing to work. I ended up having to wait another week before I could go to guitar center and pick up some more strings lol
Only issue I have is doing double bends. You have to overcompensate for the lower string while bending. Other than that I don't see why everyone has trouble setting up a Floyd. Just make the string tension = spring tension.
If you have this problem your guitar needs to be set up and balanced because I have an Ibanez Ex series with only a licensed Floyd Rose TRS 101 double locking floating term which is a low end Floyd Rose and I have no problem with tuning. But I am able to balance and set up the bridge and term in my guitar and have years of experience setting up these guitars. Mainly it’s from incorrect balance of the term and lack of proper term setup that causes a Floyd Rose to go out of tune. This setup requires the balance of the bridge, neck saddles and tension, your truss rod must be straight and your bridge level and your saddles need to be set up properly and the tension of the bridge needs to be correct. All these things need to be balanced and once the saddles are set you can balance the bridge and neck and the tension in the guitar. There are screws in the back of the guitar under the back plate and these need to be set at the proper tension by tuning and seeing how off the bridge is then correcting it with the tension of the screws to tighten or loosen the bridge to proper level. Then once everything is set you set your precision tuners to the right spot then tune guitar by the machine heads then lock and retune any slight loss of tune and your ready to go. It takes a lot to learn all this but if you own a guitar with a floating double locking bridge like a Floyd Rose then it’s best to learn how to tune and balance your guitar properly to avoid being stuck not able to play and having to take it in to be balanced. And if you don’t know how to balance your guitar take it to a guitar centre and have it tuned when needed other wise you will simply cause your guitar worse detuning by setting it up wrong or to not being able to change strings due to the technique required to change them. Don’t try and tune a floating double locking term unless you know what your doing.
I sold my two guitars with FRs for this very reason haha. I never had the patience for it and I was forever trying to change tunings to whatever song I wanted to play. Just doesn’t work for a FR!
String slip was literally the bane of my existence. I had to try several different remedies but in the end i wasted 2 packs of new strings. And even once i fixed it, i was wayyy to scared to use it for fear of my damn strings coming undone.
All memes aside, if the tension springs are properly balanced, I find you really only have to tune the 6th string once in a while. Make that never if you only play by yourself. ;)
I have a 7-string ESP LTD M1007QM with a Floyd Rose and I rarely have to tune it. I'm a death metal guitarist with 30+ years experience, so you know it's played pretty hard.
Had 2 FR guitars and got tired of that same problem, then I realized I barely ever bend pitches up with the bar let alone do crazy natural harmonic squeals like Dimebag. More so of just doing early EVH divebombs and pitch harmonic finger bends followed by bringing the bar down. So I decided to made a partscaster with a flush mounted Floyd Rose where it only dives down and the absence of a locking nut and replaced it with a graphite nut practically solved most of problems…
this is so true it hurts. and you also need A FUCKING WOODEN BRICK to restring your guitar and it's not a joke. I actually have a wooden brick for blocking the bridge while balancing the springs tension. I've owned a fr equipped Jackson Kelly for a year so far and I can say this: all those drive bombs and other whammy bar tricks are great, but there's nothing better than a good fixed bridge that doesn't need literally hours of tuning and provides much better sustain
I restring mine by by sticking the top and bottom string through first and winding them in place, once you get enough tension on them the bridge stays locked where it should be.
Lol, too true. I also had struggles with a certain Floyd Rose Special with the higher/thinner strings slipping out of the little locking block things in the bridge, even though I had other floating bridges for years, knew how to put a string in properly/deeply, and never had that problem before. Makes me afraid of getting any other guitar with a Floyd Rose Special again. I've had cheaper licensed trems hold up better than that one. I've also never had a problem with my Original Floyd Rose of course either, lol. I think maybe the softer metal used in the Special may have worn away the little locking block things to just be a tiny bit too small to tighten properly anymore. Or maybe the allen screw doesn't go in as far as it should on higher strings. Still haven't been able to figure it out, since the blocks look fine and not worn/scratched up. Maybe they got slowly compressed over the years and it's just hard to tell? I dunno.
But when it’s in tune it’s the best thing in the world. I find it really helps to stick with a tuning and use wall hangers instead of floor stands and mine stays in tune really well. I keep mine in drop c and I use .10s
@@9hk38f I don’t know if it’s actually what helps keep it in tune but since I’ve put that guitar on a wall stand instead of a floor stand it’s usually in tune or very close whenever I pick it up. And it can be days in between use some times.
i find floyd rose to be nowhere near as much of a hassle as people say, changing do drop d and back does take 20 minutes though, and requires the use of a screwdriver, so i just always play in standard tuning way up the neck. i also have never broken a string wile playing ever even trying, the bridge starts popping off the studs before the strings break.
To me the Floyd Rose is the sexiest and most incredible addition to any guitar that uses a tremolo system. Having said that, 1st non locking, like the Fender tremolo systems were good. The double locking OG FR systems, still my favorite personally, they lay on the body nicely and are quick to tune. The FR Pro models and the cutout body cavities for Dime style screaming , are a pain in the ass but when you are finished and things are clicking you feel like you've run a marathon. The floating is nice but quite a pain. Depends on each playing style I suppose
Keeping Floyds in tune is easy as fuck, just get some chapstick or Vaseline and lubricate the saddles, nut, and studs and away you go. My Ibanez Standard RG with the Edge Zero II can stay in tune for weeks, even months.
@@JamieSlays when lubricating, less is more. Don’t overdo it with the Vaseline, just lightly coat the surfaces of the nut, saddles, and pivoting surface of the studs. You may have to remove the bridge when lubricating the studs. This method absolutely works wonders for me.
the thing with floyds, DONT GET THE CHEAP ONES you want the 1000 or original or you will have issues like stay away form that "special" which is unfortuantely on most cheaper sub 1000$ guitars, which in turn will be most peoples first experience and in turn may deter them from floyd rose all together. I had a 500$ ibanez as my first axe like 20 years ago with a knock of floyd and i disliked it so much i mounted it with a battery and didnt pick it up till this year when i got a real ESP with a floyd 1000se and i fucking love it now
I love my Floyd rose, and even though tuning is a nightmare, once you tune it, it stays in tune for ages. The problem is, though, if you wanna use different tunings on your guitar. When I first bought my guitar I didn't really care about that stuff, but now I regret it a little as I explored more genres and more ways to play the guitar, and I would've loved to be able to do all of that. I mean, djent in E standard kinda sucks.
I disagree. A good quality floyd rose system keeps everything in better tune than a fixed bridge. I only do tiny tweaks every other day on my ibanez, despite crazy bends.
I hated Floyd Rose bridges on two guitars (one was a cheap licensed)... I still wanted the "expectation" part so I bought a Charvel So-Cal... Finally, I got a floyd rose that works and a guitar with a lot of mojo. I would ALSO be a hater of Floyd Roses if that superstrat did not work for me... sort of a three strikes; you're out. Personally, I'm more of a subtle user of them than anything worthy of Dimebag.
oh its not THAT bad, i repair guitars and i can get a floyd equipped guitar strung up and tuned in 5 minutes... as long as its the same string gauge as what was previously on there lol
Even if it’s not the same string gauge it doesn’t take long to block it at around the correct angle, tune to pitch, unblock, and adjust the trem claw until it is back in tune.
I change strings on my floyd that i installed entirely by my self (instead of a tune-o-matic) in 15 minutes no matter what string gauge or tuning i want this time. You guys are just trying to find excuses no to try it. It's not this hard if you're doing it right.
This video is factual. I got rid of my first Floyd as a teenager because I couldn’t do anything with it, then later on as an adult I patiently figured the whole thing out. A pain, but worth it.
Indeed. I like Floyd guitars, but I always block the tremolo. For the tremolo stuff I use my Ibanez RG, it has a much better tremolo system that is way easier to use.
Just sold my ibanez, barely used it and was a pain to set up and I droptune my guitars quite often... going for a prestige with a hardtail now, never a tremolo for me again.
I'd say the most horrible thing about getting a Floyd as my first guitar was... ... discovering very early on that there are so many useless guitar techs that take your money while having no clue what parallel to the body means. I ended up correcting the angle as a barely 4 month old guitar infant (which also required to adjust everything else).
Not sure if you’ll see this but I’m going to buy my first guitar and I love avenged sevenfold and really want a synyster gates model, which has a Floyd rose. Would u say it’s worth the pain of having the Floyd if it means having the signature model of my guitar hero?
@@quinnquitars Hi. Which model are you thinking of? The cheaper one seems to have a Floyd Rose Special and while I don't have experience with it, I've heard quite a lot of not-so-good feedback on this model. Besides that, are you ready to take the time and learn and have the patience of dealing with a Floyd right in the beginning? Floyds can be frustrating, especially if you don't understand how they work. Floyd is based on balance, so if you disturb it (f.e. by tuning one string, it throws everything else out of balance ( = it goes out of tune on other strings too), so you have to achieve the balance again. One possible solution is to block the bridge (permanently or temporarily). That will help with the "balance issue". You can find videos on how to do that as well as how to live with a Floyd and not become crazy (I never blocked mine). It's merely up to you - are you ready to spend the time to learn how to deal with it or do you just wanna jam and not worry about technical stuff?
@@molekyyli I’ve been watching a lot of Floyd rosé maintenance videos and yeah… probably not a good idea for my first guitar. Thanks for the reply tho!
@@quinnquitars I haven't regretted getting one but I internally embraced myself for all what was coming. If you're not up to all the extra work, it'd be smarter to pick up something else first. What do you like? Can you go to a local shop to try different guitars? What feels nice in your lap? What neck feels nice in your hand? What look speaks to you? Plug it in and try to play a few power chords, do you like the sound? Ask the employee to help with amp setup to get the desired sound. Don't be scared to ask for help! Watch some videos on the topic to help to determine what features you wanna have. Happy journey! :)
The hardest thing of owning my 250 dollar hss ibanez, with the floyd rose was not having the wrench for the tuning locks included and didnt lock the strings with a wrench at the nut until I was 18. Locked at the nut! Only then did the fine tuning actully work.
@@WrittenOffski They're great if you've got more than one guitar, just gotta set it up in one tuning and commit to that. Use the other guitar for weird tunings! I say this but my other guitar is a telecaster, so I foolishly set up my ibanez for D drop C to cover some of the Lamb of God songs from the new album... Moving on to other stuff now but can't bring myself round to set it up in standard tuning again lol!
My first guitar was a Squire "Super-Strat" with a Floyd Rose tremolo and that thing would maintain rock solid tuning through all sorts of abuse. That's their saving grace, although it is a massive pain in the ass to restring and tune one. I'm not directing this toward the uploader because he obviously knows what he's doing, just pointing out one of the reasons why so many guitar players love these things.
tremolos usually are rock solid BUT if they are cheap or poorly maintained (greased or w/e they do to them) they only maintain the tuning in the direction in which they were tuned for. Confusing right? What i mean by "direction" is that a squier strat will go out of tune when you bend a note with your fingers OR push the tremolo. Here's a more detailed setup process: tuning for bends: this is the standard process for every fixed bridge guitar as well. 1 tune the guitar perfectly 2 start bending the strings one by one 3 re-tune guitar perfectly 4 repeat the process until the strings don't go out of tune while bending THE CATCH: they will go out of tune if the tremolo is pressed but will go back to normal if you bend them one by one during playing THEREFORE the correct way to tune a squier strat IF you are going to use the tremolo is this: 1 tune perfectly 2 push the tremolo all the way down 3 re-tune 4 repeat until it doesn't get out of tune anymore THE CATCH: each string that gets bend by the fingers will go out of tune, which is why it's a good idea to end your solos with a tremolo dive bomb, to fix the mess that you've made. It will bringe all the out-of-tune strings back to normal immediately.
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That feeling when you’ve finally finished tuning, and you don’t even wanna play anymore.
and it's night
That's a mood lmao
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hahahahaha so real :(
C’mon man. You knew I was just making a joke. Well…. to an extent hahaha
If you break a string on a floyd, just save yourself the agony and buy a new guitar
Totally true
get a bigsby instead
@@glados2403 lmfao why downgrade?
@@dorton more pain :)
Nahhhhh
This is the first video that made me laugh and cry at the same time
oh hello there
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I was both eating and pooing when I saw
folk metal with a floyd expectation vs reality
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PRO TIPS for quick Floyd tuning:
1. Tune your strings in the order E>e>A>B>D>G
2. Overshoot the correct pitch. E is flat? Tune it sharp. Now e is flat? Tune IT sharp. A is flat? Tune it less sharp. Repeat the pattern until the middle two strings are close to already being in tune by the time you get to them.
Get a feel for this and I promise you you'll be able to tune within 30 seconds. Thank me later.
Facts! Great job man.
Tried this on my Jackson Kerry King V and IT WORKS
OK but I have 7 strings :(
@@orora667 Same concept applies, tune from the "outside in," so tune the lowest string first, then highest, then second lowest, then second highest, etc, ending with the one in the middle. "Overshoot" the correct pitch, more on the outer strings less on the inner strings, not at all on the center string. By the time you've tuned the center one, the outer ones should have gone from "overshot" to close to the correct pitch. It should work with any number of strings once you get a feel for it.
@@theharvardyard2356 Mamamiaaa, you saved my life 🙏🏻 thanks dude!
expectation: pantera
reality: pantuning for the next 2 hours
Dang that's pretty quick
I thought it took 6 hrs minimum 🥲
@@hbinitials7 what
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bruv
took me years to be friends with that bridge, fixing its intonation is just a fucking nightmare.
Really? I just saw a youtube video an was ready to go. That being said I don't like crazy whamy stuff so that may be why mine doesn't give me any problems
@@thekramer1097 I think people just love to make that comment for meme’s sake. Same with changing strings on a floating bridge or tuning the high E (e?). I can’t set up string action nor do trusrod adjustment but I can do the intonation on my Ibanez RGs (Edge&Edge Zero) just fine and string changing is easier than breathing for me. And I’m not even a guitar geek nor a good player. People who comment “tuning high e is scary” or “floating bridge sucks” are just trolling or just being lazy.
@@iganpparamarta8813 Yeah I think the joke went over my head because I love floating bridges. I don't even have a good one, I have an ibanez rg with one of the the crapier edge bridges (I think) still never goes out of tune
Not to mention something as simple as changing string gauges.....getting that bridge back to level is a pain between tuning and tightening the springs
Yupppppp
Yup, I remember buying my first Floyd Rose guitar and spending 5 hours trying to figure out how to tune it instead of playing...
Same, but it's really not that hard once you figure it out. There's definitely a method to the madness.
@@ChronicMetamorphosis I agree, there is definitely a learning curve.
However, this created a love - hate relationship with that particular guitar which I am still getting over xD
I made an easy vid how to quickly change tuning on a floating bridge
Overreactive af
Been there also
"Patience is a virtue." -Floyd Rose probably in his sales pitch.
I legit rewatch a RUclips video of a guy restringing and setting up his Floyd rose guitar every time I start to think about buying one. Still don’t own one. I recently bought a Solar with an evertune system on it and it doesn’t divebomb or anything but I’ll tell you what it takes 5 seconds to change a string and I don’t have to ever...tune it again after the first time
Same i got a sterling music man jp70 and it doesn’t do dive bombs or crazy stuff like that but the tuning is rock solid and restringing it is the easiest it’s ever been in my life.
Omg I love the evertune
It’s not that bad dude. I restring my Floyd rose in like 30 mins and it stays in tune very well.
Changing a string is like 3 minutes tops on my Ibanez Edge, which is basically a floyd. Tuning stability is amazing, sometimes it gets off like every few months but that's really not bad. People will complain but the floyd rose is not that bad and I intend to get a few more.
Nah, you just need to block the bridge first. I started on a Floyd and still haven't considered getting rid of it. I would just say, if you don't have use for one, of course don't get one. But if you want it, it's not rocket science...
2 hours later, you have finally changed one string
Or all 6 in about 15 minutes once you know what you're doing.
@@scourge34 Yeah i don’t got one yet but idk what it is with people thinking changing strings on a floyd rose is so dramatic and painful. Im getting one soon :)
Tune guitar -> adjust springs -> retune guitar -> adjust springs -> retune guitar -> adjust springs -> retune guitar -> tighten locks -> retune with fine tuners -> start playing -> break string after 10 minutes
You are doing it wrong lol, nice Sodom avatar.
At the guitar shop I used to work at we would call them "Freud-Los"(pronounced kinda like "froyd lose", so swapping the r and l) which is german for "joy-less" and that about sums them up
Every rose has at least six thorns.
Lmao I love Floyd’s. It’s all about setup and if you tune it low E, high E, B, A, G, D in that order you’re good to go. AND NEVER EVER take all the strings off, you replace them in that same tuning order too. I actually grew quite fond of the fine tuners after that.
How would I put it in drop D? Would I need the EVH D-Tuna, or can I do it by hand? Also stressed that if I buy a FL guitar with the floating bridge, the strings will always snap and I’d have to start over.
Put it in drop D, or whatever tuning, then use the screws under the back cover that the springs attach to, to adjust tension and keep the FR level with the body. Re tune the guitar, then adjust as needed, then retune. Rinse and repeat a few times till its good to go.
How you planning on cleaning it then
@@89kilemal guess once one figures out out how it actually works them they can remove all the strings and set it back up. I just clean as I go and try to keep it clean.
@@frothycarapace969 Ok I did it recently and it wasn't that bad
I’ve been putting off a whole-ass album because my high e-string is out of room to tune up.
This video is just…
Absolute perfection.
So take off the locking nuts and retune, not that hard lol
I love divebombs to death but after all the pains of floating bridges, I ended up loving fixed bridges cuz I just wanna play, not tune or set up the damn thing for hours. Nice Ibanez btw, loved that flamed top.
exactly, i settled for a trem which is just in the middle. can’t do floating bridges any longer man
@@leakingmud My bud bought a floyd rose washburn and i, for the life of me, would never even think about buying one, even though i'm a heavy fan of metal. he just went home with it, after we both tried to restring it from scratch (cuz the strings are old as shit and we don't know the gauge) for 4 hours. it was my first ever experience of setting up an electric (yet alone a floyd one) and as you guessed, it was horrible...
my favorite is when you decide to detune with thicker strings and then play the balancing act until its back to normal
I felt this one emotionally
I did this recently. It took me 2 hours.
Just block leveled, tune normally then unblock and bring it back to tune with the spring screws. Nothing fancy, thats just gow it works.
@@Maxime_L91 don't forget that you'll have to adjust intonation. And probably action. And maybe the truss rod. And each of those things (string thickness, action, truss rod) will all separately affect intonation. So if you did intonation before noticing you needed other adjustments you have to do it all over again. Including having to loosen the strings for every individual adjustment. Unless you have a special tool, which I do, but which doesn't fit on the specific model bridge I have.
@@theharvardyard2356 Yeah bit thats the game with fixed bridges too. Ever adjusted an acoustic? File the saddle until intonation is perfect. If you go too far you're fucked.
As much as I love my Ibanez, I got so sick of the hassle the bridge created that I just ended up putting a block in it.... :(
Me too
I remember when it took me an hour to put strings on my first one. Had to look up a RUclips video and everything. There was definitely some buyers remorse.
That feeling when you have your whole day planned but you break a string
So true! LOL. Actually my trems stay in tune pretty well once the strings stretch out, but then there probably only a few weeks from needing to be changed again so they're not dead sounding. First world problems.
Not me at 14 years old getting a Floyd Rose equipped Jackson and constantly switching between drop D and standard. I stayed tuning that guitar ALL THE TIME. I would always revert back to my hardtail Ibanez RG. Love both guitars and when the FR was good and I left it alone, it was amazing. Soon as you go touching it or break a string, prepare for a few hours of messing around if you've never set one up.
You killed the squeals in the art of shredding.
I've learned to live with it. Once it's good, it's absolutely fantastic.
Oh god, is that ever the truth. I've bought Floyds three times, thinking, this time it'll work. This time I'll love it! Shortly thereafter... Kijiji, here we come!
The best one of these that I've seen so far.
I love the floyd on Jackson Smith Signature. First floyd I've owed personally and once it's set up, It never looses tuning! Setting it up correctly is half the battle!
anytime you bend a string all the other strings go flat, floating trems just suck balls.
@@axeman2638 like I said, set up is half the battle! 🎸
@@jonjoe9232 you can't fix the problem with setup, it's inherent in the design.
@@axeman2638 definitely a fault in design, agree there. That's why a good set sorts them. Have had plenty of success in plenty of years doing that to other peoples guitars 😉. I'm not a floyd man myself but I wanted the Smith Sig, being a fan. Was gonna block it off but thought I'd spend time on it and it works flawlessly. Just out of a 3hr band practice there and had to fine tune maybe twice. Setup is half the battle!! Good luck!
@@jonjoe9232 don't need luck cos i don't have or want a floating tremolo guitar. Try doing SRV trainwreck multi string bends with one, how flat do the unbent strings go?
What happens to your intonation when you use palm damping ?
You go girl.
New at guitar, bought my first floyd rose bout 2 weeks ago without realizing. No clue what they were. So you could imagine my frustration when I couldn't make it hold tune. Figured it out though, and now I have achieved perfect F L O A T
I have a Jem and have never had truble with a floyd rose. Yes the strings take a bit longer to change but it stays in tune perfectly. I like it.
Honestly
Ibanez edge is a really good tremolo
Many players prefer it over the Floyd
Including me
That's why
Steve vai said it himself
Having a FR equipped guitar has taught me patience beyond my wildest dreams.
The only guitar i have is a floyd rose guitar. I can confirm this, and it's more pain when you break a string or something goes wrong with the action, specially if you're like me and only have 2 springs instead of 3
@@chopholtz4950 well i could buy another spring, and i should, but idk i will probably do it but later
It’s amazing to see such amazing tone used for comedy lol. 10/10. Those squealies were lit
This is too fucking true. I cannot stand dealing with FRs anymore lol
That's absolutely true. I sold my FR guitar this week to replaced it by a standard bridge because of this. It's a devilish invention!
Easy, just buy a bunch of picks, tape them together and use that to block the bridge on both directions, carry on with whatever you want to change, string gauge, tuning, intonation, truss rods…retune using tuning heads and screw drivers, never use the fine tuner.
It does take more time but once you know how it’s done, it’s easy.
Never seen anything more true than this! I love my Floyd Rose equipped ESP LTD but damn it can be a pain in the arse to get set up!
This is why I’d rather use a whammy pedal
The Ricochet is perfect if you have a pedal board.
Ricochet is good but my floyd is better
@@wob6776 This is true. But the Ricochet doesn’t make changing strings and tuning an event.
@@wob6776 Just like tube amps are better, but solid state are so much more convenient.
@@wob6776 Until you break a string
I love my Floyd-Rose guitar. We had a rough start to our relationship and then we decided to take a break for a couple of years to find ourselves and what we really wanted from our relationship, but once we decided to lock the bridge entirely, our relationship started to really flourish.
you got me in the first half. how did you lock it? I'm thinking of using taped coins.
THIS IS THE ART!!!!!!!!!!!
TO SHRED!!
This is so true. I just got into the intermediate level on the guitar. And my teacher showed me how to tune when I have a floyd rose.
I love Floyd roses and edge trems, wish they were popular in modern rock and metal.
Wdym? Plini, Intervals, Owane, Jack Gardiner, Polyphia, even some of Periphery stuff just to name a few. Unless you don't consider them as modern
@@thekramer1097 in the 80s and early 90s, whammy bars and crazy solos (think Steve vai, Van Halen, poison, etc) were a lot more common is what I mean.
There’s a handful today, but more often I see guitarists with fixed bridges or non locking trems. Locking trems aren’t particularly convenient for guitarists who change tunings often.
But I did say “I wished they were more popular”, cherry picking five bands doesn’t negate what I said, it reinforces it lol.
I could name 20 bands from the 80s alone.
Edit: Billy Idol, Def Leppard, Motley Crue, Poison, Van Halen, Ratt, Iron Maiden, Ozzy, Whitesnake (they had 12 guitarists, Adrian Vandenberg comes to mjnd), Steve Vai, Joe Satriani, Scorpions (Matthias Jabs), Pantera, Skid Row, Dokken, Warrant, Queensryche, White Lion, Winger, and Firehouse, 20 bands just from the 80s.
Are edge better than floyd rose?
@@salildeshpande7 It all depends on the series. A floyd rose original is pretty great, and often the problem people have with locking trems is the fact that they ended up getting a bad one like any of the lower tier floyd rose's out there.
Edge trems are just as good, and I prefer the lo-pro edge from Ibanez because it's low profile.
@@weizenw 👍
Ibanez Edge says “Welcome, friend”
sure, it takes time when replacing the strings, but it holds tune far better than anything else I've got.
Yep, I can go a week or 2 without touching the tuning as long as I'm not fucking around with divebombs and shit lol.
I have about 12 Floyd Rose equipped Guitars. One Kahler Spyder Floating trem. A. Couple ibanez and Jackson branded licensed Floyd Rose. and maybe two or five fixed bridge types. My bass. And my acoustic. And 3 electric. But I honestly LOVE my Floyd Rose equipped.Guitars
When I got my first guitar with a Floyd rose, I ended up using every pair of strings I had trying to get the damn thing to work. I ended up having to wait another week before I could go to guitar center and pick up some more strings lol
LMAO omg I felt this! Just recently got rid of all my FR Guitars and haven't looked back since!
Only issue I have is doing double bends. You have to overcompensate for the lower string while bending. Other than that I don't see why everyone has trouble setting up a Floyd. Just make the string tension = spring tension.
most musicians understand sound and not a single thing about how the simple mechanics on their gear work
If you have this problem your guitar needs to be set up and balanced because I have an Ibanez Ex series with only a licensed Floyd Rose TRS 101 double locking floating term which is a low end Floyd Rose and I have no problem with tuning.
But I am able to balance and set up the bridge and term in my guitar and have years of experience setting up these guitars.
Mainly it’s from incorrect balance of the term and lack of proper term setup that causes a Floyd Rose to go out of tune.
This setup requires the balance of the bridge, neck saddles and tension, your truss rod must be straight and your bridge level and your saddles need to be set up properly and the tension of the bridge needs to be correct.
All these things need to be balanced and once the saddles are set you can balance the bridge and neck and the tension in the guitar.
There are screws in the back of the guitar under the back plate and these need to be set at the proper tension by tuning and seeing how off the bridge is then correcting it with the tension of the screws to tighten or loosen the bridge to proper level.
Then once everything is set you set your precision tuners to the right spot then tune guitar by the machine heads then lock and retune any slight loss of tune and your ready to go.
It takes a lot to learn all this but if you own a guitar with a floating double locking bridge like a Floyd Rose then it’s best to learn how to tune and balance your guitar properly to avoid being stuck not able to play and having to take it in to be balanced.
And if you don’t know how to balance your guitar take it to a guitar centre and have it tuned when needed other wise you will simply cause your guitar worse detuning by setting it up wrong or to not being able to change strings due to the technique required to change them.
Don’t try and tune a floating double locking term unless you know what your doing.
I sold my two guitars with FRs for this very reason haha. I never had the patience for it and I was forever trying to change tunings to whatever song I wanted to play. Just doesn’t work for a FR!
I love how you can easily down tune on guitars with hardtail bridges.
Also subbed dude. Love seeing you do so well here. Excited for you to hit 100,000k subs!
I spend most of my time nervously counting down the days till I gotta change the strings
imagine using one for regular gigs where you need to change them after every 2 or 3
String slip was literally the bane of my existence. I had to try several different remedies but in the end i wasted 2 packs of new strings. And even once i fixed it, i was wayyy to scared to use it for fear of my damn strings coming undone.
yehhh, i think i’ll stick to hardtail guitars for now lol
You have gotten phenomenal with the whammy
🙇♂️
It's absolutely worth it though!!
The Floyd Rose made me fall in love with fixed bridges.
Growing up in the 80s my first few guitars all had trems. Now none of them do.
1000%!!!! 😂 I’m a former technician and used to small adjustments so it’s fine for me- but man it can drive people nuts!
Things that build only for performers. If you use for daily, better avoid one!
NAILED IT. WILKINSON BRO
Probably the best value for 15 seconds I've seen on RUclips, holy shit lol
🤣
All memes aside, if the tension springs are properly balanced, I find you really only have to tune the 6th string once in a while. Make that never if you only play by yourself. ;)
...but if those springs ain't properly adjusted, oh hell yeah it'll take you forever every single time.
I have a 7-string ESP LTD M1007QM with a Floyd Rose and I rarely have to tune it. I'm a death metal guitarist with 30+ years experience, so you know it's played pretty hard.
Hehehe, this made me literally smile from ear to ear.
Had 2 FR guitars and got tired of that same problem, then I realized I barely ever bend pitches up with the bar let alone do crazy natural harmonic squeals like Dimebag. More so of just doing early EVH divebombs and pitch harmonic finger bends followed by bringing the bar down. So I decided to made a partscaster with a flush mounted Floyd Rose where it only dives down and the absence of a locking nut and replaced it with a graphite nut practically solved most of problems…
this is so true it hurts. and you also need A FUCKING WOODEN BRICK to restring your guitar and it's not a joke. I actually have a wooden brick for blocking the bridge while balancing the springs tension.
I've owned a fr equipped Jackson Kelly for a year so far and I can say this: all those drive bombs and other whammy bar tricks are great, but there's nothing better than a good fixed bridge that doesn't need literally hours of tuning and provides much better sustain
I restring mine by by sticking the top and bottom string through first and winding them in place, once you get enough tension on them the bridge stays locked where it should be.
It was so relieving to go back to a fixed bridge guitar.
Lol, too true. I also had struggles with a certain Floyd Rose Special with the higher/thinner strings slipping out of the little locking block things in the bridge, even though I had other floating bridges for years, knew how to put a string in properly/deeply, and never had that problem before. Makes me afraid of getting any other guitar with a Floyd Rose Special again. I've had cheaper licensed trems hold up better than that one. I've also never had a problem with my Original Floyd Rose of course either, lol. I think maybe the softer metal used in the Special may have worn away the little locking block things to just be a tiny bit too small to tighten properly anymore. Or maybe the allen screw doesn't go in as far as it should on higher strings. Still haven't been able to figure it out, since the blocks look fine and not worn/scratched up. Maybe they got slowly compressed over the years and it's just hard to tell? I dunno.
I've heard about this and I think it's an issue specific to this particular model. Not sure what you can do about it.
Do an OFR swap, they’re the exact same dimensions. It’s just a matter of drag and drop, making sure them bridge posts are as straight as a board.
Try bending the end of the string in to a U-shape, they stay in a lot better.
its 9am and I'm tuning my Floyd for practice tonight lol
But when it’s in tune it’s the best thing in the world. I find it really helps to stick with a tuning and use wall hangers instead of floor stands and mine stays in tune really well. I keep mine in drop c and I use .10s
Wall hangers instead of stands? I’m curious as to how this works?
@@9hk38f I don’t know if it’s actually what helps keep it in tune but since I’ve put that guitar on a wall stand instead of a floor stand it’s usually in tune or very close whenever I pick it up. And it can be days in between use some times.
This is agonizingly accurate
i find floyd rose to be nowhere near as much of a hassle as people say, changing do drop d and back does take 20 minutes though, and requires the use of a screwdriver, so i just always play in standard tuning way up the neck. i also have never broken a string wile playing ever even trying, the bridge starts popping off the studs before the strings break.
Agreed. Once you know what to do with it, it's really not a big deal at all. Most of my guitars have one and really not a hassle as you said.
To me the Floyd Rose is the sexiest and most incredible addition to any guitar that uses a tremolo system. Having said that, 1st non locking, like the Fender tremolo systems were good. The double locking OG FR systems, still my favorite personally, they lay on the body nicely and are quick to tune. The FR Pro models and the cutout body cavities for Dime style screaming , are a pain in the ass but when you are finished and things are clicking you feel like you've run a marathon. The floating is nice but quite a pain. Depends on each playing style I suppose
I got rid of all my guitars with whammy bars. Just too much of a headache to deal with.
I have guitars with whammy bars, just never use them... lol
I just got myself a tremolno and now I finally love my overexpensive custom shop left handed ESP Forest Gt
Keeping Floyds in tune is easy as fuck, just get some chapstick or Vaseline and lubricate the saddles, nut, and studs and away you go. My Ibanez Standard RG with the Edge Zero II can stay in tune for weeks, even months.
Ooo not heard of that
@@JamieSlays when lubricating, less is more. Don’t overdo it with the Vaseline, just lightly coat the surfaces of the nut, saddles, and pivoting surface of the studs. You may have to remove the bridge when lubricating the studs. This method absolutely works wonders for me.
Man, I just changed the strings on mine. This gave me PTSD induced flashbacks of just a couple days ago. One string breaks, your soul breaks along.
the thing with floyds, DONT GET THE CHEAP ONES you want the 1000 or original or you will have issues like stay away form that "special" which is unfortuantely on most cheaper sub 1000$ guitars, which in turn will be most peoples first experience and in turn may deter them from floyd rose all together. I had a 500$ ibanez as my first axe like 20 years ago with a knock of floyd and i disliked it so much i mounted it with a battery and didnt pick it up till this year when i got a real ESP with a floyd 1000se and i fucking love it now
Yeah I had an Edge 3 on an Ibanez which sucked and thought a lot about going for an OFR
I love my Floyd rose, and even though tuning is a nightmare, once you tune it, it stays in tune for ages. The problem is, though, if you wanna use different tunings on your guitar. When I first bought my guitar I didn't really care about that stuff, but now I regret it a little as I explored more genres and more ways to play the guitar, and I would've loved to be able to do all of that. I mean, djent in E standard kinda sucks.
I don't get what all the "hate" about floyd roses are. I don't really find mine that hard to restring and tune up
Well done!
Dime would think this kicks ass 🤘🤘
I disagree. A good quality floyd rose system keeps everything in better tune than a fixed bridge. I only do tiny tweaks every other day on my ibanez, despite crazy bends.
This. If you rule out user errors, the FR is just about the most reliable system out there.
Yup. Once you learn how to stretch the strings, set it up, and the order to tune the strings in (critical info there) they are solid as hell.
Im speechless ....never thought that pitch harmonic could literally fly that high ..
I hated Floyd Rose bridges on two guitars (one was a cheap licensed)... I still wanted the "expectation" part so I bought a Charvel So-Cal... Finally, I got a floyd rose that works and a guitar with a lot of mojo. I would ALSO be a hater of Floyd Roses if that superstrat did not work for me... sort of a three strikes; you're out. Personally, I'm more of a subtle user of them than anything worthy of Dimebag.
That was some really wild sounding Dime squeals wow
oh its not THAT bad, i repair guitars and i can get a floyd equipped guitar strung up and tuned in 5 minutes... as long as its the same string gauge as what was previously on there lol
Even if it’s not the same string gauge it doesn’t take long to block it at around the correct angle, tune to pitch, unblock, and adjust the trem claw until it is back in tune.
@@JoeHeisler This. :) People are just lazy to learn how to do it.
True, I still love my floyd rose 😎
I change strings on my floyd that i installed entirely by my self (instead of a tune-o-matic) in 15 minutes no matter what string gauge or tuning i want this time. You guys are just trying to find excuses no to try it. It's not this hard if you're doing it right.
Yeah exactly
Doing it right is the hard part though lol
This video is factual. I got rid of my first Floyd as a teenager because I couldn’t do anything with it, then later on as an adult I patiently figured the whole thing out. A pain, but worth it.
Indeed. I like Floyd guitars, but I always block the tremolo. For the tremolo stuff I use my Ibanez RG, it has a much better tremolo system that is way easier to use.
These pinchs are from The Art of Shredding (Pantera), at the end of the final guitar solo
Bruh I can’t stop staring at the Oreos in your ears.
Thanks :) ❤️
@@JamieSlays jk you’re a monster at guitar, keep up the good work
Just sold my ibanez, barely used it and was a pain to set up and I droptune my guitars quite often... going for a prestige with a hardtail now, never a tremolo for me again.
I'd say the most horrible thing about getting a Floyd as my first guitar was...
... discovering very early on that there are so many useless guitar techs that take your money while having no clue what parallel to the body means. I ended up correcting the angle as a barely 4 month old guitar infant (which also required to adjust everything else).
Not sure if you’ll see this but I’m going to buy my first guitar and I love avenged sevenfold and really want a synyster gates model, which has a Floyd rose. Would u say it’s worth the pain of having the Floyd if it means having the signature model of my guitar hero?
@@quinnquitars Hi. Which model are you thinking of? The cheaper one seems to have a Floyd Rose Special and while I don't have experience with it, I've heard quite a lot of not-so-good feedback on this model.
Besides that, are you ready to take the time and learn and have the patience of dealing with a Floyd right in the beginning?
Floyds can be frustrating, especially if you don't understand how they work. Floyd is based on balance, so if you disturb it (f.e. by tuning one string, it throws everything else out of balance ( = it goes out of tune on other strings too), so you have to achieve the balance again.
One possible solution is to block the bridge (permanently or temporarily). That will help with the "balance issue". You can find videos on how to do that as well as how to live with a Floyd and not become crazy (I never blocked mine).
It's merely up to you - are you ready to spend the time to learn how to deal with it or do you just wanna jam and not worry about technical stuff?
@@molekyyli I’ve been watching a lot of Floyd rosé maintenance videos and yeah… probably not a good idea for my first guitar. Thanks for the reply tho!
@@quinnquitars I haven't regretted getting one but I internally embraced myself for all what was coming. If you're not up to all the extra work, it'd be smarter to pick up something else first. What do you like? Can you go to a local shop to try different guitars? What feels nice in your lap? What neck feels nice in your hand? What look speaks to you? Plug it in and try to play a few power chords, do you like the sound? Ask the employee to help with amp setup to get the desired sound. Don't be scared to ask for help!
Watch some videos on the topic to help to determine what features you wanna have.
Happy journey! :)
The hardest thing of owning my 250 dollar hss ibanez, with the floyd rose was not having the wrench for the tuning locks included and didnt lock the strings with a wrench at the nut until I was 18.
Locked at the nut!
Only then did the fine tuning actully work.
I use a whammy lock to level the floyd rose, tune to standard, loosen whammy lock, adjust springs until guitar is back in tune
bought my first floyd rose in 1992... im on my 3rd string already.. yay.. 3 more to go..
I've never returned a guitar so fast in my life.
Because of a Floyd?
@@JamieSlays Yeeep. Take way too long to tune, just find them really inconvenient when I like to play songs in different tunings. 🤡
@@WrittenOffski They're great if you've got more than one guitar, just gotta set it up in one tuning and commit to that. Use the other guitar for weird tunings! I say this but my other guitar is a telecaster, so I foolishly set up my ibanez for D drop C to cover some of the Lamb of God songs from the new album... Moving on to other stuff now but can't bring myself round to set it up in standard tuning again lol!
Dime had a special power that the more he drank he could could pull strings into perfect pitch.
This is so accurate I actually just got a new guitar without a Floyd Rose.
My first guitar was a Squire "Super-Strat" with a Floyd Rose tremolo and that thing would maintain rock solid tuning through all sorts of abuse.
That's their saving grace, although it is a massive pain in the ass to restring and tune one.
I'm not directing this toward the uploader because he obviously knows what he's doing, just pointing out one of the reasons why so many guitar players love these things.
tremolos usually are rock solid BUT if they are cheap or poorly maintained (greased or w/e they do to them) they only maintain the tuning in the direction in which they were tuned for. Confusing right? What i mean by "direction" is that a squier strat will go out of tune when you bend a note with your fingers OR push the tremolo. Here's a more detailed setup process:
tuning for bends:
this is the standard process for every fixed bridge guitar as well.
1 tune the guitar perfectly
2 start bending the strings one by one
3 re-tune guitar perfectly
4 repeat the process until the strings don't go out of tune while bending
THE CATCH: they will go out of tune if the tremolo is pressed but will go back to normal if you bend them one by one during playing
THEREFORE the correct way to tune a squier strat IF you are going to use the tremolo is this:
1 tune perfectly
2 push the tremolo all the way down
3 re-tune
4 repeat until it doesn't get out of tune anymore
THE CATCH: each string that gets bend by the fingers will go out of tune, which is why it's a good idea to end your solos with a tremolo dive bomb, to fix the mess that you've made. It will bringe all the out-of-tune strings back to normal immediately.