Why the Biggest Gun built was Useless
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The "Dora" also known as the "Schwerer Gustav" was the largest gun ever built in terms of weight (not caliber). It was originally designed to be used against the French Maginot-Line, but was not ready in May 1940. As such it was used in the Siege of Sevastopol by General Manstein. Yet, later on, it was not used again. Jens Wehner and I discuss various other aspects of the "Dora" gun in this video.
Disclaimer: I was invited by the Militärhistorisches Museum der Bundeswehr Dresden.
Militärhistorisches Museum der Bundeswehr Dresden: mhmbw.de/starteng
Cover by vonKickass.
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Hogg, Ian V.: German Artillery of World War Two. Green Hill Book: London, UK, 2013 (1997, 1975).
Hahn, Fritz: Waffen und Geheimwaffen des deutschen Heeres 1933-1945. Dörfler Verlag: Eggolsheim, o.J.
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Honey, I Shrunk the Historians
You just can't get good caliber historians these days.
Ok, got a good laugh at both of those..
@@benwilson6145 They are good German historians. The cheep Chinese ones are even smaller
LOL!
But it wasn't useless. It kept rail track layers in business!
And it _did_ fire 50 rounds at the defenses of Sevastopol. They all missed, but a few of them almost hit!
@@WG55 Probably caused a few Russians to shit themselves if nothing else.
Rail track layers worked overtime in wartime anyway.
@@Paciat shhhh get on this train it's the showers for you 🚂🚿☠️
Problem is these had no shortage of work on the eastern front..
As a Dora Guy, who tried to gather all possible intel about the gun, I'd like to make some additions:
1. The Size of Schwere Artillerie Abteilung (E) 672 - the Unit directly operating the Gun was approximately 500. The Number 5.000 is often quoted to underline the gigantic efforts required not only to operate the gun, but also to protect it (as it was a high valuable target as everyone could imagine). Included in these 5.000 are - apart from the 500 of the swArtAbt (E) 672 - approx 1.000 Hiwis ("Volunteers") to prepare the position, a reinforced AAA Batallion (500), 2 reinforced guard companies (300) and and and... up to (and inlcuding) Fighter Cover by the Luftwaffe.
2. Despite the limited military value, I tend to say that this gun was a masterpiece (with some flaws... but hey, who's perfect ;) ) in engineering. The whole gun for example was rebuild and made ready at Sewastopol in just 54 hours.
3. The second gun was kept in the Reich for Crew training.
4. By the end of the operations in Sewastopol, Dora has fired all available ammunition and the barrel was already worn out (and it was reported that it needs to be replaced). I think that was the main reason preventing the guns use at Leningrad. By the time this was fixed the situation around Leningrad has changed - preventing the use of the gun.
Anybody who wants some further reading: "Deutsche Eisenbahn Geschütze - Rohr Artillerie auf Schienen" by Gerhard Taube
which contains a very detailed photographic coverage about erecting the gun at sewastopol (and which I just pulled from the shelf to grab the numbers.
P.S. I might be a bit biased towards the gun... ;)
she was a beauty and thast is a good read Deutsche Eisenbahn Geschütze - Rohr Artillerie auf Schienen" by Gerhard Taube for more artillery understanding!!
I thought that the barrel was worn down, never knew it was blown up
Thank you for completing the info at this point, i mean, hey... 54 hrs to re-arm the eentire gun is great, it wasnt good enough but, it wasnt an entire fiasco btw, i mean, 4 guns like this in ww1 would be made ww2 innecesary
I'll stick to Ian Hogg's German Artillery of WWII and I still think this gun is useless.
@@ancientfungi7818 No one sayed it was not useless...
Two different German accents! My head is spinning...
His guest speaks high german so it´s easy to understand, I hope one day he makes a video with a someone from Switzerland, Saxony and Swabia that will be a complete and hilarious shitshow.
200 years ago, Germany as such didn't exist. There were dozens of German principalities speaking their own dialects, sometimes not mutually intelligible.
As I understand it, Martin Luther invented standard German for his Bible translation as something that most Germans could understand.
@@teebes2009 the germans (languages) wasent entirely diferent languages, but, they varied widly just like the Indian, the Brithish and the Sudan English... man, there was a lot of misconceptions and misunderstandings back then, the court of the HRE emperor was kind of a mess, you may want to check the transcriptions of some of them. (as HRE history entusiastic, i can say that has aa looooot to be with the falling of HRE in hands of Napoleon)
You may call his dialect just Austrian ;-) Although we have to recognise that German is pluricentric, so 'Austrian' is not a dialect of German German.
@De Keizer van het Duitse Rijk I agree. I should have been more precise about it - what I meant to say is that Austrian is not derived from today's standard German but is one of the language centers of the German language, as is Swiss German.
Krupp: Furher, we haz dis 380cm kanon.
Hitler: Nein! Viel größer!!!!
As one chef said, "all it takes is a couple of guys with thermite and that thing will become unusable".
Ryan To : As an Armor Captain once told his troops, "The only thing I fear is an Infantryman with a P-38." He was referring to the C-Ration can opener not the plane.
That's true, or at least it worked for me on Medal of Honor for the PSX.
I always found that scene a bit odd, since no mission ever took place involving commandos and thermite to disable railway artillery. Thermite grenades were used to destroy weapons, such as the disabling of a heavy battery in Pointe du Hoc, but those where much smaller 155mm guns.
EndlesNights destroy railgun's ammo lifter, then it is useless.
@@chumccurry1765 Or just hit the ammo instead. Those shells are enormous.
I always heard that the gun wasn’t necessarily a gift to Hitler, but rather that Krupp’s long-standing policy was “First gun’s on the house, you can buy more if you like it.”
Trying to merge Dorah The Expolorer with this but failing. "Dora, Dora the exploda?"
Just imagine Adolf saying "look at the size of this weapon, and the railway gun is quite large to"😂😂
I feel like each AP shell had enough steel to make a regular field gun and the gunpowder to fire it could supply at least a hundred rounds for said gun.
well, that's probably not exactly true, but you *are* correct in saying that this gun was a massive waste of resources
Bernhard looking like he's about to sing fly me to the moon in that suit. Looking Sharp.
Also, Dora is a great example of waste for Germany in WW2.
Waste is one way to put it. I think a better phrase would be "Fighting the wrong war". There's more than a few cases where the Nazis poured large amounts of resources into weapons or equipment that were based on outdated assumptions. Large sections of Plan Z was built around using capital ships for commerce raiding, an idea that had seen the odd success in WW1, but which would have meant defeat in detail for the navy. And perhaps the biggest one, conscripting large sections of your industrial base makes for a large number of warm bodies with rifles. Assuming your campaign is short enough that you don't need to resupply your armed forces. If you do...
@@watchm4ker because they did not expect to beat france so fast so they were just not prepared for it. thats why they we building aircraft carrier and can you blame them? who would expect france would fall so fast anyway.
so saying it was wasted resources is quite wrong. its simply ace in sleeve that they never needed at least not for the use they intended to
@@jebise1126 for the same amount of resources I could build batteries of lighter more efficient weapons that could do the job.
@@ironstarofmordian7098 you cant destroy fortress like maginot line with light howitzers. and when they were building dora they didnt bypass it yet so again they had no idea they would not need ti so again it was ace they didnt need. with the knowledge they had they did the best.
I talked to a fellow at Fort Miles who served there early in WWII. He said he got bored being there with the National Guard so he transferred to the Army and was assigned to our version of Huge big gun because of his experience with the 16 inch guns at FM. By the time he got to where the action was Germany was in full retreat. He said they never actually fired the gun because it took so long to strike it, move it, and set it up again that the Germans had moved out of effective range.
The Anzio Express as my grandfather called it. Said you could hear it long before it hit. He was part of the Big Red 1. Loved his stories.
This wonder weapon project went off the tracks from its inception.
yet another example of how very expensive and singularly powerful (yet quite interesting) engines of war don't scale well compared to more economical and numerous alternatives. others include the IJN Yamato vs the Iowa class battleship, or the Tiger vs the T-34 or Sherman tank
Not this again. The Tiger was a specialized weapon designed for different roles than the medium tanks you're comparing it to, and considering that both the U.S. and the Soviets developed heavy tank programs of their own as the war went on, and eventually developed them into the MBT of the cold war era, the Germans had the right idea in supplementing their medium panzers with a heavier, more expensive tank.
Your thoughts on the mortar the British built for the Crimean War, that they never fired anyway because the ammunition was too expensive?
Hey I have a picture standing next to that shell. Its at the Dresden war museum! Best summer of my life...
It would be interesting to see a comparison of the ideas behind the large-caliber artillery with longer-range cannons like Project HARP and the Martlet projectiles, which had been developed with the intention of sending satellites into space.
you just made me curious about the siege of sevastopol. wanna make a video on it sometime?
The Battlefield documentary series does an excellent at least over 2 hour in-depth analysis of the entire battle.
Kiowhattaisthetruth C awesome thanks
Tbh I just want to know how big the crater would be
Imagine how big it was if you loaded the shell w/ U235 and Pu240.
Hearing that Hitler argued against it being used against large targets must have been infuriating for the gunners.
You have a weapon capable of taking out ammunition storage and maybe even vehicle depots and you're told to aim at turrets and trenches that you know you can't hit.
This really speaks to the absolute worst side of how the war was handled, when a giant weapon like this could have been used fo stop fighting and preserve lives (robbing the enemy of their ammunition) and it was instead used in an attempt to kill.
It's WOW is off the charts, it's an amazing gun to look at, but in effect it just was a German research project.
The German K-5 rail guns were effective at Anzio, and were very acurate.
Schwerer Gustav : * exists *
Allied air planes : I'm gonna end this man's whole career
Was this gun only used once on the eastern front. The cost of it and the manpower, how many Mark V’s could have been built. The latest historian argument is Germany had affective lost the war by mid to late 1941, has the economy was broken because of the lack of materials. The production of this weapon was madness in the light of that.
All long-term R&D was ended in 1940, and Adolf the Stable Genius refused to put the German economy on a war footing. These decisions were later reversed, but it was too late to save the nation.
Phil Perry yes the total war speech after Stalingrad and Alamein by then, they had lost a big chunk of the original trained troops. The Luftwaffe never recovered from the Battle of Britain.
Looks like they were trying to compensate for something...
I keep looking at the projectile and saying "Someone is compensating for something."
Thats why my favourite gun is the Luger. 😏
So that means every football stadium is feminine.
(Or it's just a worn out argument.)
Hiler was these guys are just saying why Hitlers compensation failed
TL;DW: 1. It took too much effort and too many resources to build. 2. It took too much manpower to operate. 3. It was highly inaccurate. 4. The barrel wore out far too quickly. 5. It was far too difficult to transport to a new location.
You clean up so nice.
Bernhard looks sharp af & evil in that tux!
Next time I am in Germany I will defiitely visit this museum :) The weapon was useless on the tactical and operations level, however I think it was good for morale, having such a massive weapon on your side and probably a whole complex built arround it with Flak 88 guns and Panzers to protect it.
I have said it before and I will say it again: they could have made better use of those materials by making tanks, etc.
@@des9544 if they had them they likely would have made the progress needed to secure the oilfields.
Would using something like bird shot or grapeshot (of course skilled up) would have worked better at possibly hitting intended targets?
Yes, but then it wouldn't be able to fulfill its intended role, which was to destroy heavily fortified (underground) bunkers. If you want a lot of smaller explosives, just use normal artillery.
Why not use bombers if this massive artillery piece was so lacking in accuracy? The British RAF designed a bomb called a Tallboy, later an even larger bomb called the a Grand Slam, which could be carried and dropped from the Lancaster bomber. These bombs penetrated deep into the target (earth, mortar or even concrete) then exploded with an earthquake-like blast effect.
I love this weapon , but didn't knew that wasn't very accurate , still looks very impressive , great job
They did manage to hit and blow up a major underground magazine at Sevastopol. Dunno if that if that's what they were aiming at. "Shiete! Missed... BOOM! Ach, got something!"
Its shocking when you see the Projectile ! Only 50 Kilometers?
A single medium to long-range subsonic Tomahawk cruise missile costs roughly $1.5 million... so I'm guessing this Mofo wasn't cheap to fire. Probably cost more to bomb a place than rebuild it.
So Hitler was thinking about breaking through the Maginot line before 1939?
I’ve been doing some research but it got nowhere. I want to know EXACTLY, or as close as I can, what anti air fund were use to defend the Gustav. I know that there were 88mm, 37mm, and 20mm guns. But I want to know how they were mounted. Where they halftracks? Where they railway mounted? Did the 20mm guns have a single barrel or 4? If anyone can help please guide me.
I don't see it useless. Context is important. Let me explain why: The Wehrmacht wanted to have a special diesel-electric locomotive for movement of this gun. Out came a nice twin-locomotive. Everyone who likes strong locomotives wouldn't consider a new locomotive to be developed useless. Moreover, there are nice models of this locomotive and driving them on my model railway makes fun - even more use!
That was fascinating. Thank you!
It just amazes me how effort was put into building these huge weapon systems by the Nazis. And yet it seems all these mega systems never really payed off all that much for them. It makes me wonder how the effect on the overall war effort the drain of men and materials for these systems was on Germany. Could the war have dragged on longer if these systems weren't developed?
Just the concept of trying to smash the Maginot Line shows how disconnected from reality Krupp was. He was really only interested in money.
Armaments producers are not expected to experts in practical doctrine. Krupp threw a giant spaghetti bowl of ideas at the wall, and he knows which ones stick by the funding/resources the gov't provides.
ComradeOgilvy1984 Krupp was an ardent Nazi who curried favour with both Hitler and Speer, neither of whom understood tank warfare. So instead of listening to people like Guderian, who wrote the book, Hitler listened to Krupp instead.
Great video. I knew of the guns but not about them. Thank you.
Actually, it's not the biggest gun ever built. It may be the biggest "mobile" artillery piece, but the biggest gun ever built was intended to launch satellites into orbit.
how many normal sized cannons could they have made with all that metal?? (i did not say tanks, as they would have eaten up more scare oil..)
... Huh. I think I just found the inspiration for Wachenröder! Holy dungbeetle!
So I think with the size of the shells I don’t think it would matter if you got a direct hit to do damage
Very good, thanks. Do you fancy looking at the V3 in France ?
US and UK use different Railway (Railroad) terms, wagons for UK, cars for US.
When you see a spider on the wall
I love this channel but as someone with a hearing problem the German accent makes it really really difficult to make out what is being said... The translation is little use either... 😥
Was this the one where the Coriolis effect became an unexpected problem? Or was that already a thing with Battleship aiming? One shot every 45 minutes is pretty quick, considering the Turkish "Bertha" could only fire 7 times in a day, so probably once every 60-90 minutes for that one. I'm assuming that's the cannon that has this beat for Caliber? Or was that another German gun in one of the World Wars?
The Coriolis Effect had long been accounted for in aiming any medium- to long-range gun. Short range stuff, not so much. What is this "Turkish Bertha"? Germany in WWI had "Big Bertha" seige mortars (quite large caliber) and "Long Max" 20cm or so long range gun to shell Paris.
@@philperry4699 The Ottoman "Bertha" cannon was one of the pieces of siege equipment they brought with them during their last siege of Constantinople. It required a complete team of engineers to construct a special-purpose road, and could only be fired about 7 times per day. Despite this, the walls withstood the barrage, and it was only due to discovering an unguarded personnel door that the Turks were able to enter and conquer the city.
@@philperry4699 As for the Coriolis Effect, I'm pretty sure that cropped up during the German assault on some French position with an insanely big gun. Their shots were landing wide, and they couldn't figure out why, until they took the earth's rotation into account. That was probably WWI, though...
@@c182SkylaneRG Even by WWI, the Coriolis Effect should have been well known to every artilleryman. It's elementary physics. There's no way anyone would design a long-range gun and not know that they needed to take it into account. If the Germans overlooked it, that's just stupidity on their part.
@@philperry4699 Hmmm, I decided to do some research, before continuing to spout off what I was personally sure of, and it seems as though whatever anecdote I heard as a child was either altered in the telling, or altered in my memory. Either way, it seems as though the Coriolis effect was known and accounted for in the use of the Paris Gun, and that it's an extreme example of accounting for the Coriolis Effect in artillery, rather than where it was discovered. Coriolis, himself, was a French scientist who died in 1843, and the mathematics of it were known even back to the mid-1600's, though were used to attempt to disprove Copernicus' theory of a rotating globular planet Earth, because no drifting could be observed in the flight path of artillery shells at that time.
Bergeisert.
Danke an ihr beiden.
These are phycological weapons, a huge artillery piece arrives. The biggest gun you have ever witnessed. Your army could do nothing to stop it arriving. Then a huge shell lands. It is the end of the world. Modern eyes can be blasé about the gun. We know about its existence. If you are witnessing all this for the first time, it is a different matter. The key could be the communiqué sent from the German army to the besieged garrisons. It would be interesting if someone found it.
it sure made a damn good yugioh card, though
Never mind the quality. Feel the width.
is this the shell that used to be in Imperial War museum london?
and what about the 60cm Karl Morser ?
Two Germans talk about Germans and refer to Germans as "the Germans". Epic sh*t. 10/10
It worked as intended (HUEG cannon) so it wasn't useless. It was practically useless and that is completely different thing.
The coastal batteries of the forts it shot would say otherwise
I love all your work, Bernhard & I have learned a great deal since subscribing but this video hurts me. I wanted these guns to be devastating & nightmarish for the Soviets but....alas, no. Poor Gustav, you'll always be close to my heart but...you were not as effective as the propaganda led me to believe.
50km mak3it still out of range for most artillery, but it's no distance for a tank platoon, or some dive bombers...
It was indeed a magnificent peace of German precision engineering Geneous , it would have also made a superb museum peace after the War next too the 60 cm Karl-Gerat und Maus !!!
You’re saying crazy stuff for someone within 47 kilometres of a railroad.
Yes, super guns are fascinating. Ask Gerald Bull. This entire project was a grotesque waste of money, resources and manpower.
animation would be nice. wish someone could simulate this in a game. show the damage.
There are reasons why most of artillery have caliber between 75 and 155mm and these days are most of heavier guns replaced by rocket systems. BTW, Instead of Dora gun, very large mortar would have been far easier to transport and use. Why this weapon was not produced more instead? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl-Ger%C3%A4t
Idk about useless it had great propagandic value.
And to my knowledge the one used in Sevastopol, had some crazy feats to its name like destroying a magazine underwater.
That gun was usefull but it was build for SPECIFIC purpose - the siege.
And it paid back...in Sevastopol.
First Man-made object in Space - until the definition of the Space/Atmosphere boundary was redefined post-War . Where are the remains of these weapons ? We're they melted down and recycled or hidden like their WW1 ancestors ?
Would have made a good war trophy that's about it .
You could take down Godzilla with that gun
LIDL Weihnachtswerbung zu der Kanone,
was für ne Bescherung,
aber kein Modellbausatz zu Gustav.
RUclips hat da nen echten Weihnachtsvolltreffer gelandet.
saublöd.
If the heads of the third reich weren't so insisting on rediculous pet projects. Like V2, Big Railway Guns, super heavy tanks like Maus... The war might have gone different.
I mean they were impressive machines but really just extensions of certain body parts in my view.
Think they already talked about this. It's purely the lack of actual trained personnel in the end that got them. The projects didn't really help but not doing it would not have changed the outcome
Wasting resources on pet projects might have not affected the entire war, but I think a lot of events might have taken a different turn if time and again the Germans didn't find themselves too short on resources at crucial moments. Here an entire division worth of siege artillery was wasted which couldn't affect something as gigantic as the world war but what about a single engagement where it may have been put to better use?
Compared to the overall material cost of the war, I don’t think that these projects would’ve actually diverted that much (as a percentage) of the total resources. The real loss was in man power
It's not exactly the higher ups who are to blame. Hitler liked certain things, and everyone wanted to get him to support them by essentially bribing him by giving him what he wanted, even if it wasn't useful. Germany at that time was made up of individuals who worked along with the Government. In the case of the Maus tank the Government has little to do with it period. It was Porsche who was developing it and was going to the sell it to the Government, same basic origin as all the other military equipment. But Porsche tried to win Hitler over a few times, but he thought because Hitler was his friend he would give his company the main contracts for producing tanks and other vehicles but that didn't happen. The Maus was his last attempt to pull Hitler in, and even though Hitler was supportive of the idea he didn't pay the development of the Maus much attention and even Porsche more or less cancelled it. And so since Porsche was a private company the Government didn't lose any money and they didn't have control over the project.
I have read once that it was also used in Italy against Allies near Anzio. Does anyone know anything about that? Is there any truth to that or just propaganda,sensationalisam etc.
You're thinking of "Anzio Annie", which was also a railway gun but had had a much more reasonable caliber of about one-third the diameter of Gustav. The smaller railway guns were reasonably accurate and quite effective, being reviled and dreaded by the American troops who found themselves under fire by them.
@@dark7element could be,I don't remember much of the details.It was a big 3 tome size encyclopedia of WWII. To make things harder I lost the second tome where the Anzio chapter is.
But yeah it was a railway gun with very long barrel.
It says that it was terrifying to the Allies at Anzio but it was also very slow to reload.
Krupp had a tradition of making the first of every series of weapons systems for free.
So the first 80cm gun was free, Germany had to pay for every 80cm gun after that.
CAT PERSON! Son of a biscuit......I'm going to try to forget that and watch the video....I support feral mongooses.
We all know this was supposed to be used to fight mecha Stalin but Russia couldn't get it finished in time
Hello,
How accurate is netflix ww2 colorized show is? as a ww2 history fan i dont find it much interesting its made for a too far popular audiance. More interested in claims tho.
is it true that german soldiers were using drugs like meth to well go on fighting being super soldiers in early days of ww2? i dont think so..
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Too bad so few English speakers can speak German this well.
Not useless. It had some uses. It just wasn't as cost-effective, portable, or effective as expected. They have even started to build a 3rd one to bomb London!
Too bad it was not precise enough to hit a moving battleship, or the British fleet would have been in trouble! It could penetrate 10 meters of concrete - just imagine the size of the whole on those floating tin-cans! :D
I wonder how many ppl were deafen by the time it fired all its rounds.
BEST "gun" Gustav on COH2.
Did it have the range to hit England from the French coast?
Yes, but that would wake up every battleship in the area, those are not only hard to hit but arguably bring a lot more punch.
One thing it was probably very good at was causing the troops on the receiving end to soil their drawers
It's a good thing guided munitions development was so primitive.
There was a TV-guided anti-shipping missile under development by Germany, but apparently the electronics weren't reliable enough. Imagine a guided Tallboy bomb...
@@philperry4699 :D
Lets be frank, we all know the real reason Germany makes all these crazy machines of war was to make playing tabletop and other forms of wargames waaaay more interesting in the post war period.
WW2 was just Hitler being mad after someone talks shit about his legion
For the Imperium of man would never have gotten medusa nor earthshakers without the 88mm, vulcan and nova canons would also have a very different look
without the tiger tank a lot of later armored vehivles would have taken decades before they where reality,
but for the tabletop id say death korps of krieg may have lost most without the germans
I guess if they were gonna go out, they were gonna go out guns a blazin
Drive the 800mm closer! I must hit them with my sword!
Ww2 was Germany’s biggest marketing plan. Build weapons of war so that people would want to buy and build model kits of them 50 year later.
MHV looks like a goddamn bond villain in this video in his black suit next to a giant artillery shell. 😂
"No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to have a logistical failure"
"No! You know how much I hate that word!" Scary music plays-
"You know what an expert studies?"
"Dont say-"
"Logistics, logistics, logistics. Dont leave home without it."
@@nomobobby I thought you were going to use that magic word "bibliographical".
“What is it Moneypenny?”
“Since budget cuts hit the agency I have to buy my lipstick wholesale…”
“…”
1 dislike? Looks like Hitler made it to Argentina
With 9 of his cronies.
Who are the other eleven? The 1945 German football team?
LOL God one!
53 nazi frogs
I am the 69th dislike.
I feel like the guy nailed it with "most huge" instead of saying "biggest"
That profile pic :o
in nazi germany bomb huges you.
The English language itself needs to either stick with their root or move with the time. It should either force comparative form into every speakers’ throats, or just “more x” or “most x”.
@@Nanorisk stop dissing English. It's a fine language, it has its quirks but it's pretty epic.
@@Kyle-gw6qp BMW cars are regarded as driver's delight, meanwhile they are notoriously prone to oil leak. Having issues and being praised can coexist, they just don't cancel each other out. English is terrible in the consistency department, being widely used doesn't change that.
The 57cm version mentioned that could have been built for Channel gun duels would've been fascinating.
I wonder if the british forges would have been able to build an answer to it. I think they would but it would take some time.
@@datadavis I think it would e probably just been a mega bomber target for the whole course of the war
The german accent is strong in this one
Yes, and also the Austrian one ;-}--
@@Reichsritter It depends on your point of view. Norwegian is considered to be it's own language but it is actually Swedish with little differences.
@@Reichsritter I guess you are neither a modern linguist nor are you a Norwegian historian.
But I accept your opinion and there are a lot of people with the same opinin as yours.
*saxon accent
they did more then they were intended too they did awesome damage to the russian forts !
This looks like the set for a Bond villan.
It was the original Alan Parsons project of Dr. Evil Sr.
Or the remake oh Honey I Think I Shrank The Kids
Giving away a super heavy, slow-firing and ineffective gun that binds one third of a division as a gift sounds like a really clever form of sabotage.
I am sure Krupp said exactly that when the allies were trying to decide if he should be executed for war crimes. The reality is he was probably just a war profiteer and the Americans have great respect for those ;-)
@@grogery1570 Not really. It's just that the Western Allies had already done away with the German socialist regime and were being forced to confront the new aggression of the Russian Left fascists. The Western Allies certainly did not share the same visceral and avaricious hatred of successful hard-working businessmen that Left fascists did, but that had more to do with them not being professional socialist thieves. I don't fault them for it.
@@DrCruel russian left fascists?
Never heard of those any where in history.
If you mean the Soviet union.
Not all of the soviet union was russian and russia was not the soviet union.
Bolshevism is not fascism. Both are extremely left wing ideas of socialism. But have very different purposes. One is focused around national resourcing the other is about collectivism for the greater use.
@@Robert53area The Bolsheviks didn't "unify" the soviets. One of their first acts in coming to power was to destroy them, then replace their leadership with Bolshevik toadies. The Bolsheviks were pro-Russian nationalists, just as National Socialists were pro-German nationalists and Maoists are pro-Han Chinese nationalists. All were and are focused around collectivist resourcing for the good of a small senior party elite. All habitually use the most bald-faced lies to obscure what they do in practice, long after it become obvious.
Bolsheviks were both socialist and fascists. Fascism came from the Left, is a Leftist ideology, and best characterizes the behavior of socialists once in power. Thus Left fascism is a redundancy, albeit a necessary one.
@@Robert53area for greater use? you mean for opression and the "greater" use of everything by a very small circle at the top. Fool
Been to this museum, it's totally worth going, very modern with many artefacts
It's weird the comparison with Tallboy bomb dropped from heavy bombers. The tallboy was almost the same weight as Dora's shell, hit with the same impact velocity while Tallboy eventually demonstrated far better accuracy than Dora's best theoretical accuracy. But Luftwaffe didn't have much faith in heavy bombers, it was all about that dive bombing (in theory at least).
Dora seemed to have been made because Krupp wanted to build a gargantuan gun, not because there was serious thought of how to deliver a bunker-buster weapon.
Anzio Annie seemed to have been far more effective because it could be used even when Germany totally lost air supremacy, it could pop out of a railway tunnel, blast away, then as soon as there was counter battery fire or an air-raid then it could reverse back into the railway tunnel and be all but immune. Although ultimately futile, it had substantial strategic effect on the progress of that campaign.
Too bad they blew it up. Just imagine if it had survived the war. It could have gotten its very own museum.
Frederik it could join the Amiens gun at the Australian war memorial in Canberra
@Mial isus that would have made the coolest museum on earth
@@deltoroperdedor3166 At the end of the war, people just wanted to forget the nasty business. The last thing on their minds was putting the biggest gun, up on a pedestal of sorts. Its only now we can admire the cold engineering aspects of the thing without cringing.
@@garywheeler7039 I can understand that, however, in theory, it could have been a large tourist attraction. It's a cool idea and I'm applauding it
@Mialisus that would be how the US makes museums out of ships however we keep them in the harbor and semi operational to boot (at least in the case of the USS midway an aircraft carrier dock at San Diego CA)
The gun is too inaccurate.
Dude the thing only needs to land HE shells in the same post code as the intended target.
but it hits 3 postal codes away XD
The earth is very effective of suppressing HE. You need accuracy against entrenched defenses.
@Reagan James If you miss by 30 meters with it you still are gonna damage that bunker heavily.
@@podemosurss8316 And and you're going to kill 4 soviet soldiers, that's if you're lucky enough to be that accurate. They said that they sometimes missed by 700 meters, 1 in 5 shells landed whitin 60 meters of a target
Then an hour later you can fire the thing again.
And you need a whole regiment of men too.
Don't even think what happens if a squadron of fighter bombers reaches that thing.
@@daniels_0399 "Don't even think what happens if a squadron of fighter bombers reaches that thing."
If those planes are not careful they might be downed when they blow up the Dora.