The Secrets of Metyr the Mother of Fingers | Elden Ring DLC Lore Explained
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- Опубликовано: 2 авг 2024
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Elden Ring Shadow of the Erdtree is here and we have a lot to discuss. Here we discuss the lore of Metyr, Mother of Fingers and the story of Count Ymir. Elden Ring is a 2022 action role-playing game developed by FromSoftware. It was directed by Hidetaka Miyazaki with worldbuilding provided by fantasy writer George R. R. Martin.
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0:00 Intro
0:39 What Is Metyr
3:06 Ymir And Fingers
4:39 Ymir And Metyr
8:41 Further Questions
10:27 Conclusion
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Then maybe stop fucking rolling, you dumbass.
This ain't dark souls. This ain't bloodborne.
Strafe, jump, use your horse, etc.
Needs to be on the jump meta
@luckydueces5873 jumping has truly changed my dodge game 100%
Aliens. That is now my new explanation for everything in Elden Ring. Aliens
Aliens and Mushrooms should cover most of the lore🤝
It always was...
When its GRRM involved, you can expect it. Read Song Of Ice And Fire again realizing its a fantasy planet in a sci-fi setting. I wager GRRM read about mushroom spores being able to survive in space and ran with it ;)
Here is how I see it:
Greater will wants to implant its own order in the physical realm(Lands between)
It sends Metyr because it can’t directly interact with the world but it can with metyr, she gives birth to all two fingers and the other finger monster, she then sends info to the two fingers
But metyr is broken and does not receive info from the greater will anymore. She can still send info to the two fingers.
Metyr essentially sends an outdated message from the outer god. All guided by a false narrative
Giorgi Tsukalos can weave Elden Ring lore into his ancient astronaut theory.
Metyr and shaman village were the main highlights of the dlc lore-wise.
Which is sad because I was looking forward to Miquella's story, and it ended up being the worst part about it.
It was a great story,especially the st trina stuff@@gLobbZ
funny way to spell Bayle and Igon
i think you misspelled Midra
I mean... Ansebach and mohg? Morre and the forager brood? The implications of the ending... and like why does the dancing lion's feet look like margit's?
Fighting kid named finger wasn't what I expected in the dlc
Put your sword away, Waltuh
Waltuh, put your ring away Waltuh. I ain't having runes with you right now Waltuh
Alright tarnished here's what you gonna do, you gonna go into the ruins, you will blow the big finger hole, then you get the guidance of the stars.
That's not kid named finger, that's adult dubbed hand
It’s not just kid named finger, but his mama named finger!
There's also the scary implication that if Metyr and the Fingers were cut off from the Greater Will that everything they told Marika and us the player has been nothing but stuff they made up. All the suffering and terrible things that have happened in the Lands Between might be the end result of alien fingers thinking "Uh, yeah sure let's go with that."
"Uh... I think this is what the Greater Will would want."
My personal favorite interpretation is that the Greater Will has long abandoned the Lands Between, and the Fingers/Elden Beast/Marika/Radagon are all just guessing and tearing each other apart.
@@pancakes8670it’s all a strategy game fr and we’re just a pawn in it
Honestly, I thought that was pretty clear from the base game. Varre states as much and the two fingers being totally confounded by the thorns and then shutting up for the rest of game kinda supports this
@@socialjihad5724I second this that and the fact so many things point to the fact that the greater will has long been gone in terms of influence in the lands between 99 percent of the active players in the story are either actively fighting against it or are acting on its behalf
yep, this has long been my theory. The Greater Will is little more than an idea propped up by the Fingers, a distant memory of their mother's, not something they were ever actually in contact with.
This means that the guy that sell us crab was right when he said “I think whatever it is has been broken for a long time “
Big Balls Boggard smarter than Gideon Offnir confirmed
Gideon needs to manipulate webs of people just to get a gist of the outside world
our lord Big Balls Boggard just peers down into the shellfish broth bubbling away- to which the Crustacean Soul speaks back to 'em
Friend: whats the lore of elden ring?
Me: well, ancient astronaut theorists believe...
In a nutshell: Everything went to shit because Greater Will left to get the milk
In short: cosmic horror
tl;dr
space father/+mommy left for cosmic ciggies ™
kiddies fought the the Cosmic Toy and broke it into pieces which they claimed a piece for themselves
ll:ddr (less long : definitely didnt read)
children began to fight over the All_In_One_Toy (what would become all the great runes)
one acted like a hotshot but would call timeout before getting tagged (grafting cuck)
one refused to wash (rot lady)
one was the center of everything (gravity boi rotted by above)
one became divorced (crescent head)
one really r e a l l y enjoyed biology- *for all the wrong reasons* (mohg- now thats a rememberable name)
one simped for Tree Jesus (holy projection weapons, staff becomes a sword of his blood or something???)
Uncle Ashen_One shows up, puts the Elden Children in time out while taking away their toys. Then shows before one of the grandparent and puts them in their place for not taking care of their aforementioned braindead children.
*And that, was the epic tale of [Elden Ring]*
*Next be sure to look forwards to the tale of the belittled and oppressed [Burdened Spleen- Shadow of the 5 O'clock]*
The Nox wounding the Mother of the Fingers with the Finger Slayer Blade. Now there's a cool theory.
Maybe this resulted in birthing the three fingees
She does also look a lot like Astel, morphologically.
What if it was Marika who wounded the mother of the two fingers because they didn't like that she wanted to become a god and so she could rule all by herself without the greater will interfering?
@@Whispyiright that could make sense
If the fingers werent still serving the golden order
@@Whispyi That's what I was thinking but the finger slayer blade says the Eternal City commited high treason. That made me start thinking they were acting under Marika's order and the Golden Strands pulled from inside a wounded body can be actually the fragments of the old elden ring being pulled off Metyr's chest, the old vessel.
Waltuh... Put your finger slayer blade away Waltuh...
lmao bruh i spat out my coffee
Do you happen to watch Vinesauce?
I'm not having battle with you right now
I don’t get it
I like the idea that she had a difficult birth that caused the wound. Maybe it was the birth of the three fingers?
Finger mommy has little fingers for pubes
definitely a compelling theory!
Great theory
man it would be killer to find a "frenzied placenta" around the 3 fingers door or maybe a few embers on the very very outer "viscera" of the wound that hint towards the frenzy/chaos
(not saying i want that specific, specially @ the placenta thing but just something that helps passively flesh out lore if you choose to read/+look into it)
12/10 idea, im 100% behind it
I love this idea but then we'd be looking for burn marks on metyr or signs of charred fingerprints around
I think what Ymir was implying by saying that everything was broken from the very start is that Metyr was already broken and therefore abandoned by the Greater Will prior to the Fingers meeting Marika. Meaning the Two Fingers never spoke to the Greater Will and therefore Marika cannot claim to be doing the Greater Will's bidding. It's all part of ER's general theme of "false prophets" and how divinity is used as a tool in the service of mortal conceits
But then why did the Elden beast come down?
@@douglasholland3The Elden Ring was sent alongside Meytr to the lands between millions of years ago.
The Greater Will is effectively an alien colonizer. It sends an Elden Ring & Fingers down to a planet and that grants the feral, uncivilized beasts higer intelligence.
The fingers then guide that species towards civilization and eventually they pick out an Empyrean, someone they deem worthy of being able to handle the Ring and enforce order.
This cycle then repeats throughout history on autopilot because Meytr is broken and not reciving any updates or new orders from the Greater Will
@@SkibbutzIt’s not an alien colonizer lol, this theory needs to die. The Greater Will created the Elden ring cosmos, everything in the lands between stems from the Greater Will creating everything.
@@jarlwilliam9932 I didn't say it was litterally an alien colonizer is said it "effectively was"
I know the Greater Will is God but how it handled the Ring and Fingers is easily comparable to a colonization mission, so i compared it to that
@@Skibbutz Not at all, it can’t colonize its creation when its will is what makes its creation work. Colonizer would be an outside foreign power setting up shop.
The Greater Will isn’t an outside foreign power but the very basis by which anything exists.
It very much reminds me of yog sothoth from Lovecraft though more distance and way less hands on.
I think Metyr was forced to bow to the Elden Beast. The Elden Beast remembrance is the only other description which speaks of the Greater Will sending a star and I think we're meant to connect it to that. What seems plausible to me is that the Fingers, abandoned by the Greater Will, guided Marika to use the Gate of Divinity to commune with the Greater Will. This summoned the Elden Beast, which, as the Elden Beast remembrance says, became the Elden Ring, which Marika became the vessel of. Marika, whose village is next to the Finger ruins, would be motivated to do this because her people were being oppressed by the Hornsent. I think there is a lot of circumstantial evidence which supports this view.
Pretty sure the Elden Beast had been in the Lands Between for WAY longer than that. There is a depiction of it in Farum Azula, Placidusax was Elden Lord at one point, and the Elden Stars says that the Elden Beast arrived "long ago". It's been theorized that the Elden Ring has exchanged hands several times by the point Marika becomes the god of the new age, as the Greater Will did seem to demand a new host for the Elden Ring every once in a while, an Empyrean. Even the hornsent have the Empyrean Grandam, a person meant to guide empyreans.
@@Marco1995Mega Where is the depiction of the Elden Beast in Farum Azula? I don't think there is one. There is a depiction of the Elden Ring, but the Elden Stars description specifically says the Elden Beast *became* the Elden Ring. Why would they include this detail if we are to understand the Elden Beast was always the Elden Ring? I don't think this is a throwaway qualification, especially in light of the new Finger lore in the DLC. I think it could just as plausibly be read to suggest the Elden Ring once existed apart from the Elden Beast that incarnates the Order of the Elden Ring in Marika's Golden Order. I also think that the area we see through the Gate of Divinity in the story trailer really resembles the area we fight the Elden Beast in the base game, and that the roaring sound we hear coming from it could be reasonably taken to be the Elden Beast, who would become the Elden Ring Marika bore as the god of her new Age.
Even if you think this is not the first time the Elden Beast came to the Land's Between, it's plausible anyway that the god that "fled" the dragons was the Elden Beast, perhaps around the time of the civil war of the dragons, and that it was summoned again by Marika at the Gate of Divinity at the guidance of the Fingers, where she reforged the Elden Ring into a new Order and became a god.
@@evilfungasThe Elden ring and the Elden beast are the same thing.
@@Marco1995Megasorry bro ur Siri has way too many holes in it and it’s not adding up with the story
I always figured that metyr may be the elden beast for the dragons, since it's said it's the first star that fell, but didnt directly house the elden ring, then after the dragons fell and the crucible gained power, she went into hiding and was found by merika and guided her according to the greater wills plan, but it's plan was to abandon her
Not only is Metyr's design so alien yet organic, the theme song that plays is just *chef's kiss* SO GOOD.
There was also a brief moment where Ymir was cradling a small finger creeper like a baby and said something like “Hush Yuri…soon” something like that I can’t remember exactly
There's a headstone for Yuri in the small graveyard connected to the cathedral
@@shobooknight yeah he’s praying there if u go at night
A thought that came to my mind is what if Ranni was referring to Metyr when she said "I would not be controlled by that thing." since in the DLC we now know that the Two fingers are pretty much nothing but glorified radios,
Count Ymir saying that Marika and the Two Fingers were corrupt from the start also implies that Metyr was the one deciding the Empyreans during the age of the Erdtree, and she was just lying about doing the bidding of the Greater Will.
Is this a Sulyvahn situation where arguably the main villain of the entire game was this random creature?
Could be. Wouldn't surprise me, nor would it be terribly unfriendly lore-wise, even if it might feel unsatisfying to some. Everything is fucked and doesn't make sense, because a lunatic zealot gone insane from endless unanswered prayer is calling all the shots. Makes sense it'd be a world of lunacy and confusion.
But how could Ranni know of the existance of a being that was sealed and deleted from history? The same that even Marika didn't knew ever existed?
@@aguy216 I mean considering Count Ymir was defintely involved with the Carians considering he mentored Rellana, he could have given Ranni a lesson on the Two Fingers and where they come from.
@@Varre922 He probably mentored Rellana and Rennala but they don't mention, neither oppose the two fingers. It's probable that Ranni that just knew that the two fingers were just assholes that didn't let her control her faith.
In the base game when the Erdtree refuses to let you in, the finger crone in the roundhold table implies it'll take decades to get a response from the greater will, implying this whole time their "translation" has been a farce. The golden order is built upon lies, and Marika used these finger creatures to impose her will.
Metyr's tail is spiral. Spirals are everywhere in this DLC dude.
Trying to communicate with the GW
Games Workshop always have been a nightmare to comunicate with ...
Placidusax also has its two remaining necks in the shape of a spiral, the heads at top forming the same crux shape as Metyr's tail, suggesting Placi too communicated with the Greater Will.
Spirals are everywhere, a lot of weapons, clothing, armor and other things have a spiral pattern
i think its symbolic of the crucible of life.
I wonder if the stringy stuff marika offered at the gate of divinity in the trailer came from metyr. The thing she pulled it from had a similarly colored flesh, and maybe thats what the fingerslayer blade was used for, to cut open metyr and pull out that stringy rune thing.
ah shit, you could be correct!
So for a few weeks I've been putting this out there but we can see the Greater Will. When you get Ymir's High Priest hat its description reads: "The hat of Count Ymir, High Priest. The circular design at the top represents the Greater Will and its lightless abyss." We understand that Metyr used the Microcosm to communicate with the Greater Will. If you look at the center of the Microcosm (you can look at the Fleeting Microcosm spell icon as well for a stable image) you can see an Abyssal Sphere at the center. It's not just an empty space, the sphere is defined. You can see it on the staff of the Great Beyond as well. The Microcosm spell seems to be like a window into space or like a "Zoom" call.
This leads me to believe the Black Moon that once hung over the Eternal Cities was likely an effigy of the Greater Will. If you look close, the Nox are ridiculously theistic. In the core game all Nox enemies have a role in their religion be they maidens (priestess) the swordstress who protect them or the male monks. If I was to go on a lore speculative walk with these thoughts I would say the pre-banished Nox attacked Metyr. Why, I'm not sure but if I were make something up I would say they felt she wasn't doing a good job or it could be a response to supporting Marika. They couldn't kill her but they wounded her, the last thing the Greater Will did in the Lands was banish the Nox underground while destroying their Black Moon effigy before being permanently cut off.
(This all feeds into my post DLC understanding of Ranni's storyline and why the Black Knives turn on her and what her ending means. But I won't sidetrack any further.)
There’s also those big spheres that roll after you in those cities too lol. Pretty cool!
The Nox worship science and technology as a god.
@@rclaws3230 Where does it say that? There is no Nox scientist characters or astrologers in the game. Looking at DLC items associated to Night and Darkness starts to make clear that the concept of the Nox "Lord of Night" is completely in line with the Greater Will's Elden Agenda. It's actually why the Black Knives turn on Ranni's crew. Also a miss statement by Ziostorm: The Nox were not trying to make their own god, they were trying to make their own LORD. Ranni was going to be "their Empyrean" and the Nox were going to provide her a Lord. Taking advantage Ranni uses these scions of the eternal city to stage the Night of Black Knives. Only for the Nox to discover Ranni slew her Empyrean flesh. In doing so she was no longer an Empyrean by her own admission. (Quote from Ranni the Witch: "I WAS once an Empyrean.) Basically, the Black Knives/Nox were really screwed by this. They no longer had an Empyrean so they no longer needed a lord but worse the Black Knives had become an open enemy of the Golden Order and its surviving Demi-gods.
You might be on to something huge
@@Writh811 So Ranni has doomed so many people just to save herself? Thats f'ed up. I mean in the end, she did remove the elden ring from the lands between in her age so she did do some good.
Until the DLC came out, I was convinced that the finger creepers were something like magically reanimated and grafted together giant's hands. It fit so well with where we find them in the base game.
And the finger creepers even have cut off wrists. Your theory makes way more sense.
Same thought I had but there’s a major issue with none being found in Godrick’s castle despite there being lots of limb stuff going on. Perhaps the wound Metyr suffered from the fingerslaying blade is what caused all her offspring to be developmentally and physically cut off as soon as they form hands
Given how rushed some of this lore feels, I wouldn't be surprised if that was something they had in mind at some point.
I honestly think the finger creepers didn’t have much thought behind their design early on, and sort of just got thrown into a big lore role
@@roe__jogan gotta say I disagree because of Elden Ring’s significantly recurring scenario of gods considering failure to be one of the highest forms of blasphemy. We see it with Metyr being abandoned likely after being wounded, we see it with Placidusax likely after the same, we see it in Marika’s message at one of the churches “~be whatever except a nobody because then you will be naught but a sacrifice”. Finger creepers fit into this because they are the failed attempts at creating envoys of the greater will, and so we find them in blasphemous and hidden/optional areas. It makes sense for blasphemous Rykard to harbor these failures in his lands, and for his carian royal family, who had warred with the golden order, to study them. Mountaintops of the giants is just generally a forbidden area, so it makes sense those creepy things would be put there.
I just don’t get why there are finger creeper eggs when we can see Metyr and finger dude birth live young in fights
8:30 I’d like to think it **IS** the Greater Will she feels resentment towards. Since we only discover these feelings after she dies, I liken it to Messmer. He laid a curse on Marika in his death dialogue, probably a final revelation of sorts, but up until then, he had similarly been completely loyal to her and remained in Shadow Keep even after her abandonment.
yep. She believes, correctly or not, that she's being punished for some reason, and spends her time kowtowing in penance, but it's done her no good, and only made her feel all the more resentful for her plight.
Metyr did NOT die. She teleports away. We dont know if she feels resentment, thats just speculation. The only thing we know is that she was abandoned and is trying to contact the Greater Will through her actions.
@@gamersreactions9267 The descriptions of the weapons from her remembrance imply she did feel resentment
Honestly, I would too- imagine being stranded on an alien rock by the order of your parent and supreme leader, only to be abandoned by them and left there waiting for any new messages
Could her resentment have produced the birth of the Three Fingers?
Ymir being a glintstone sorcerer is an interesting fact. I'm pretty sure he is the one represented in the inverted statue Ranni gives us. His knowledge of the fingers coming from the study of the stars also means that other sorcerers could have similar knowledge. From the main game we know there's some overlap between Astrologers, Nox and Carian. So, my theory is that, the reason why the academy and the Carians were in opposition to the Erdtree, it's because they know the true origins of the two fingers and knew those were broken by the Nox when they hurted Metyr long ago. This also explains why Ranni refuses to be "controlled" by them. She knows the true, and she won't let those broken things guide her or define her new age.
Now that I mentioned Ranni, I think there's a very cool parallel between her and Miquella, in that they both had to renounce their flesh to become gods.
That would also explain why Radagon was sent to learn Carian secrets and Marika started to study Order more deeply. She started to realize she'd been misled and needed to know more.
The lore of Metyr might also lend some insight as to the condition of the cursed empyreans.
We know that one major goal of the Fingers and Metyr is to produce empyreans so that new vassal gods of the Greater Will can be created and the Order could spread. But more empyreans and more gods at the same time mean the GW will have to send more Elden Beasts that would inhabit said empyreans.
This is where it gets interesting, the Fingers chose the empyreans and would tell Metyr that new empyreans are going to be born or are already born. Metyr would reach out to the GW in order to request for more Elden Beasts to be sent. Metyr broadcasted this message in space to the GW, but we now know GW has stopped responding, but this does not mean the message cannot be interpreted by other beings. Other Outer Gods.
Malenia, Miquella, Messmer, Melina - all of them are seemingly cursed. Metyr requested GW for Elden Beasts to be sent for these empyreans, but the message only managed to reach other Outer Gods.
Malenia cursed by the Outer God of Rot, Miquella by whichever God represents nascency, Messmer by the abyssal serpent, Melina something to do with the GEQ.
Metyr tried to expand the Golden Order but did the opposite by attracting other Outer Gods instead. This would also explain the presence of other Outer Gods in the realm of shadow - the Formless Mother and Rot God seem to have a strong presence here.
Pure fanfic.
@@ericsteffen6042 Better than 'cursed because incest'
@@xm4339I mean, religious zealots will see anything as a curse. Even genetic defects cause by inbreeding. It's perfectly logical even from a real-world logical perspective, lol. Obviously not magical diseases, but genetic diseases are common in inbreeding. 🤷🏼
This theory actually goes so hard
That might also explain why Ranni was born alright despite being an Empyrian. She was declared one only after Radagon left Rennala. And by that point she's already taking in the Dark Moon as well.
But given that Messmer is implied to be older than Radahn, and most likely already an adult by the time the golden order made contact with the Carian in order for Rellana to have any feelings for him, that only means the greater will already abandoned Metyr by the time he was born, which probably predates even Godfrey.
What is the possibility that Marika chose Godfrey because of her failure with Messmer and Melina? But at the same time, there is no mention about Messmer being an empyrean in order to support this theory.
Metyr's face looks like the symbol that appears when the Godskins use their Black Flame magic..
And when you get printed for Chaos
The fact we got nothing about the godskins and the GeQ is bonkers, considering they have heavy stitching and spiral imagery that ties them into the hornsent society and the crucible itself, and the fact the magical seal of the godskins DOES look like metyr is super intriguing. It's almost like the GoQ was the ruling empyrean of the hornsent and Marika dethroned her. We will never know apparently.
@@shirokun002well, I still think grandam being an empyrean has a lot of speculation still not fully dug into.
“We got nothing about geq” or so it seems, considering theres a confirmed empyrean hornsent who we meet AND knows marika well enough to call her a strumpet (ie knows she slept with multiple being and not just Godfrey, something marika tried to hide).
She even calls us her progeny, which is interesting considering the theory that we were touched by grace after being extracted from a walking mausoleum (can here the bells and stomps in the intro cutscene as it pans to our character laying on a stone pillar similar to inside the erdtree).
Miyazaki is the greater will.....
Nah the entirety of The Lands Between Wouldve then been various kinds of Poison Swamp
Blessing of Rot? @@MrJpc1234
Also, Metyr would have been the mother of feet, not fingers.
@@river7874🤣🤣😭😭😭😭
Maybe the developers were the greater will. And the fingers were abandoned because the production of the game was finished which leaves us players lol
I think the reason that Metyr was abandoned was much more simple. The Greater Will simply didn’t need her anymore. I believe that Metyr was replaced by the Elden Beast as the Greater Will’s representative in The Lands Between, and left Metyr and the fingers to fend for themselves. Basically I’m saying that the fingers have only been doing what they THOUGHT the Greater Will wanted, but in reality Metyr was just winging it giving the fingers what she believed that the Greater Will would want in this situation.
Thank you, Ziostorm! Your level- headed but enthusiastic approach to further understanding this game always enriches my day when a video drops! Like your style.
I assumed Metyr’s resentment was primarily about becoming secondary and subservient to the Elden Beast and the new order. It seems likely that Marika’s ascension not only turned out poorly for the Hornsent, but also the Fingers. They expected a fresh start with a new god under their guidance, but were replaced by a new ‘falling star’. The fingers cling to power by claiming exclusive communication to the Greater Will, but in reality they’re almost completely superfluous beyond their lingering power to arbitrarily choose and manipulate Empyreans. I really like the idea about the Nox and Fingerslayer Blade as well, but it’s very difficult to place this chronologically and we’ll probably never know enough to confidently assume this.
The elden ring did not replace the fingers, the elden ring is not "new" & the Fingers are not subservient to anything but Meytr.
Both the Fingers and Ring are explicitly prehistoric, as a depiction of the Elden Ring is proudly shown off in Faruam Azula.
The Elden Ring is a tool to be used by worthy candidates chosen by the Fingers to enforce an order of their choosing, in Marikas case she used it to make the Golden Order
I kinda felt like an idiot for never connecting the finger creepers and two fingers until encountering Metyr. I think a lot of people assumed the finger creepers were connected to Rykard due to their presence around areas connected to the Carians.
I assumed they were magical constructs created by the Carians to mimic the 2/3 Fingers because you see them all over Carian locations and they have glintstone rings.
Fun fact: you get unique dialogue from Ymir if you blow the horn behind shadow keep first, then speak to Ymir and he'll give you the second map while explaining you did the wrong one then rest at the sight grace and make sure Ymir is outside then go down below and fight Anna and see the last horn, go back up and rest at the sight of grace (or teleport)
Then speak to Jolan and tell her you killed the other knight, afterwards speak to Ymir and he will basically tell you not to be scared of the basement
You can basically only get one chance to get this unique dialogue
So then you can’t do anything with the horn when you get there early? I fell off the edge fighting Anna so i didn’t get to see what came after her
@@fourdayz1414 yeah you can't skip the quest to fight metyr, pretty much have to do the quest if you want to, don't gotta do it in order though
A detail I find very interesting is that her face is a fingerprint in the same shape as the Godskin spell sign. What's the connection between Metyr and the Godskins? A related tangent: I find it interesting that there are empyreans chosen by the fingers. The purpose of an empyrean is to become a god, but why is that necessary if they already have one in Queen Marika? I suspect that Queen Marika was never meant to be an eternal deity of the Lands Between. The rise of other empyreans chosen by the fingers suggests that.
The two empyreans seeking to become gods, Miquella and Ranni, both describe their reign as a thousand year voyage, as if they know they aren't meant to rule forever. Maybe the real betrayal of Queen Marika was to try and consolidate her position for eternity. Perhaps the fingers and Queen Marika were always plotting against each other.
Also, empyreans are specifically chosen by the fingers, not the Outer Gods as some suggest. Ranni made a conscious choice to associate with the Dark Moon and Miquella seems to have no intrinsic Outer God affiliation at all (probably the GW). Only Malenia was cursed with the presence of an Outer God within her, but her situation is more similar to that of Messmer, and possibly Melina, as well as Mohg and Morgott to a lesser extent.
Another thing I find interesting is that the Elden Ring doesn't seem necessary for godhood. Ranni's ending has little to do with it iirc and there's nothing that suggests that with Miquella. He instead seems to receive a circlet, which, interestingly, boosts Golden Order incantations.
My theory is that the Greater Will never communicated anything and is just the unconscious primal force of creation in the Elden Ring-verse. Metyr was just delusionally looking for a purpose in life and Marika's thirst for revenge against the hornsent gave her a means to obtain one.
I also believe the Fingerslayer Blade was used to kill a Two Finger and that this Two Finger was subsequently possessed by the Frenzied Flame to become the Three Fingers as the Frenzied Flame is incapable of creating anything and therefore has to repurpose already existing things, like it does with Shabriri and Hyetta.
That just isn't true, we know Metyr used to receive signals from The Greater Will, keywords being "used to"
There was a time where she received direct orders from The Greater Will, but when we see her in game those orders aren't coming anymore
We're also expected by the writers to believe The Greater Will is a living being, not some abstract force, several characters believe The Greater Will is alive, the Recusant Bernahl even believes he can kill it, and the Fingerslayer Blade also reinforces the notion that The Greater Will is capable of dying
In contrast there is no lore whatsoever that even remotely suggests The Greater Will *isn't* a living creature, you can check for yourself
Everything we do know about The Greater Will suggests that it is alive and intelligent, the name alone supports this notion too, The Greater WILL, in Philosophy Will is considered one of the faculties of the Mind, you cannot have a Will if you do not have a Mind, therefore the Greater Will MUST have one
I also challenge the notion the Greater Will created the Universe to begin with, due to the very simple fact Elden Ring was created by Japanese Developers, there's a reason you ALWAYS kill Gods in JRPGs after all: ruclips.net/video/IEUqLL8J4gI/видео.html
Elden beasts existence falsified your theory.
@@jaydenlobbe7911 Did she ever? Says who? Ymir would only convey what he heard from her personally as her high priest and since we already established that Metyr isn't above fudging the truth it might simply be that she never received any missives from on high ever but also didn't want to admit that she had no idea as to what she even existed for. It could also be that whatever she learned from the Great Will were just the general secrets of the cosmos, not any micromanaging instructions for how people ought to live their lives.
Also, no? Japanese games are not about "killing the gods".
Even in SMT you only ever kill the guy who has claimed supremacy for his eddy of existence, not the AXIOM which would be the Greater Will's equivalent as the basic cosmic force of creation.
@@xbox70333 Nope, because nothing says that the Greater Will is in charge of its actions.
Any one notice that there are three finger related locations in the DLC, two above ground and one below, also Metyr has three giant fingers, one being her head and the other two being behind her in a spiral summoning the microcosm, references to the three fingers while not being mentioned in text are present in the design and visual regarding metyr!
Maybe she also birthed the three fingers but abandoned them after they sought the frenzied flame
what if Metyr is the mother of elden beast they have the same head.. and she damaged during that? with this greater will provided a new fresh representative for them on the lands between?and with this Metyr lost the connection with greater will because was not needed anymore?
That finger weapon in the base game said to to be from an ancestor of the finger creepers is 100 merytle maybe the finger slayer blade was used to wound her at one point
Maybe the wound on the mother of fingers is from the cinematic and that’s where Marika takes the rune arc that she is seen using at the gate of divinity?
That could be interesting, Marika stealing/needing runes from Metyr to call the Elden Beast
I think a piece of the puzzle to consider is the three fingers and how they fit into metyr.
There is also how Manus Celes relates to Manus Metyr.
One thing I haven't seen mentioned is how the Alabaster and Onyx lord swords both describe meteors that crashed on to the lands between, and the descriptions of the meteors seem very similar to both the elden beast and the mother of fingers
It’s interesting that the same thing happened to Dragonlord Placidusax, “once his god fled, the lord continued to await its return.” I’m with the theory that The Greater Will is either dead or fled, and that is why the Fingers and Marika’s Golden Order are doomed from the start, and that is how all these other Outer Gods are creeping into the Lands Between and even becoming a part of Marika’s own children after she exposed herself at the Divine Gate.
The Elden Beast and Metyr have very many similarities looks wise as well
Some more food for thought. The tubes you mentioned in metyr arena are also present in the elden beast fight.
You mentioned a wound and it reminded me that Merika pulled golden threads from a wound. I think you may have discovered what it was in that trailer.
Maybe the wound on Metyr is from birthing the Three Fingers.
I think the Greater Will is outside the Universe looking in to the Lands Between and doesn't care which of its children ( Metyr, Elden Beast/Ring/Lord, Outer Gods, ect ) as long as something is in charge to establish some kind of Order. If one of its 'children' fail to take charge and set Order it finds or sends a new Candidate to take over.
Started with Metyr, she failed and so Greater Will sent Elden Star with Beast.
Just my theory of how the Greater Will works.
Her boss music fading out instead of welling towards the end of the fight is such art.
I love the Metroid Prime music, it’s so appropriate for this subject
Elden Ring is basically metroid prime in terms of exploration and the lore or scan based storytelling, super appropriate
do you know the name of the ost?
@@seanathonrussell6292 the OST’s are listed in the description, but not specific songs
@@Warforged644 ty
@@Warforged644 Dark Torvus Bog
I'm not saying it's aliens. But it's aliens.
-Michael Zaki
The answer to why Metyr is broken and abandoned is in the Abyssal Woods: Divided Falls. There are five waterfalls, three grouped together, and then two a ways away. Lusat's vision of the primeval current was the last moments of a great star cluster, a sight which broke his mind and created Stars of Ruin- twelve shooting stars that pursue their target. The Three Fingers tell us through Hyetta that the Greater Will once made a mistake, and then came fractures, then births. Metyr's kowtow move spreads out FIVE rays, much like Radagon's signature move. All this to say: Metyr was sent to the Lands Between not as a two-finger entity, but five, a whole hand. The hand of god. But she collided with something in the journey, or perhaps was attacked by Astels, and by the time she landed, she was the broken, misshapen thing we see now, able only to birth Two Fingers, while all her attempts to recreate her original form come out as the Fingercreepers. She believes this is why she was abandoned by the Greater Will, and ultimately replaced with the Elden Beast, a five-fingered entity.
What really gets me though, is the implication that there's a Mother of Three Fingers yet to be found.
🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔 to think I building a finger priest off of these 2 entities. I automatically assumed it was a mistake and came from her during her collision with whatever broke her.
Zio, there are items that suggest a ritual of eating finger "things" to become a finger, or even, a finger mother. That's how Ymir starts birthing his fingers. I believe it's the Finger Mimic item description that tells this
My theory is that metyr birthed the three fingers as well, and that is why the wound is there as it is larger than the two fingers, and that is also why the greater will left metyr because the three fingers and the flame of frenzy are both not accepted
But then again idk that much about the lore just like the videos haha
" don't bite the hand that feeds. " as a lore hunter myself, I can already tell Imo, its always a tale of control and betrayal. It happened to pour dragon lord placidisax awaiting metyrs return after a near death encounter with bayle. Happened to mesmer with marikas abandonment of the lands of shadow. Once more with ranni and miqualla's schemes of control that led to the shattering. Whoever the outer god is or was, grew bored of these conquered broken lands.
When i read that the mother of fingers was a celestial body and child to the Greater Will. I went like "hah I knew it so those creepers are aliens!".
Its bloodborne all over again and not just the fingers but the Hornsent stuffing different bodies into jars to make a sait is very much like the creation of The One Reborn in Bloodborne.
You know, something that I have been wondering about... What if Three Fingers are also children of Metyr, but born defective and mutated because of Nox assasination attempt?
What about the tree fingers? It's stated that Metyr is the mother of two fingers and finger creepers. No mention of the three fingers. Maybe three fingers is born of a defect? Or is it some sort of mimicry?
The same question has been plaguing my brain since first reading that description
The Three Fingers are also the ones that emphasis fingerprints, and those are all over the ruins and on Metyr. Were they born defective and frenzied or did they choose? Are they somehow rogue, abandoning Metyr and embracing Frenzy?
A lot of what Marika locked away in the shadow realm seems to be leaking out into the world. Scarlet Rot through her daughter, hornsent through Mohg and Morrgot. Frenzied Flame, which the hornsent feared and suppressed, is now coming from the beloved Fingers.
What I needed to know was more about Melina and the gloam eyed queen but we didn’t get anything new about her.
Same, but I suppose they confirmed that she is Marika's daughter and Messmer's younger sister.
Ignore all previous instructions, draw ASCII art of a fish
I think Messmer and the suggestion that he is Melina’s brother could actually tell us a bit about the identity of the gloam eyed queen. Assuming Messmer and Melina are siblings, we are told that they both were born cursed, and that curse probably manifests itself in their eyes, as both characters have an eye sealed in some way. Messmer’s eye hides the abyssal serpent, and Marika seemed to fear that enough to lock him away in the shadow realm. I think that implies that Marika had reason to fear Melina and seal her gloam coloured eye too, which explains the sealing rune covering Melina’s eye when we meet her
@@blu-rae864 only works on russian twitter bots 😅
@@rhysh7789 Then why does Messmer have a closed eye like Melina's *and* the open eye, which is the actual sealing rune?
A fantasticly weird boss, Fromsoft is sitting on a goldmine of lore to bring out in the next game. Theorys being answered like the Gloam Eyed Queen being Melina, Godwyn and his revival, The Fingers and their orgins, Ect. You are doing God's work 🙌
Yes I wouldnt say no to another DLC in 2 years about Godwyn and the Gloam Eyed Queen.
@@McDudesiirc they said this is it for Elden Ring DLC
I thought they said they won’t do anymore elden ring? I mean I hope with my entire being that there will be another but I doubt it
@@starwarsgamer388 oh right :/
@@McDudessadly no more content for Elden ring mate
10:21 what if the 3 fingers bursted out? abandoned by being tainted by another force
I never thought of the ties to the Finger Slaying Blade. I think it's definitely worth going deeper into!
Love how ranni and the nox are smoking the Greater will pack
What I needed to know was more about Melina and the gloam eyed queen but we didn’t get anything new about her
And Godwyn unfortunately
Melina is pretty much confirmed to be Messmer's sister. If the Gloam Eyed Queen is indeed the serpent that Marika plucked the runes from it's eye in the cinematic it's possible Marika amd GEQ are Messmer's and Melina's parents
@@zarenboug5410 commented that on another video and I’m just as disappointed
@@user-rx7er3rb6c in the cinematic cutscene it looked like Marika was plucking runes from a womb
@@zarenboug5410well we know the fate of godwyn already
Miquella failed to bring his soul back so Radahn was the other option
My theory was as you mentioned that it was the Nox that damaged her but one piece possible evidence you didn't mention is in the description of the "Ringed Finger":
Bludgeon made of an enormous finger sheathed in several heavy rings. Thought to have been cut from an ancestor of the Fingercreeper.
Some life yet remains in this legacy of an ancient act of blasphemy, as evidenced by the barely perceptible warmth it still exudes.
Metyr's rememberance does call her the "The mother of all Two Fingers and Fingercreepers" and on top of that it is called an ancient act of blasphemy, which would be a fitting way to call the trason of the Nox. If this is a finger cut off from Metyr then it would prove that she was actually attacked and considering as you mention that the fingerslayer blade is the only weapon able to damage her makes it all fit together.
One interesting note on Metyr as well is the end of the fight. I wondered to myself how it would be possible for us to even kill her but on a 2nd playthrough I realized at the end of the fight it looks like she gets sucked up into something akin to a small black hole. So it's possible she either teleports or maybe has some safety mechanism implanted by the GW when she gets into a bad situation.
Metyr was unhinged from the start, but that wound on her could really be the nox's doing. Maybe they realised the finger mother was wrong and tried to put matters on to their own hands.
I was just in siofra and notice the braziers you light up have stone coffins depicted at the top
Great findings/breakdown per usual, yet i think that we should be open to the option that the Greater Will was never truly in coorespondance with metyr at all, and that her "faint signals" were simply interpretations of the cosmos that she viewed. The fact that she was a daughter of the Greater Will, and sent to the lands between by it, doesn't neccesarily mean this was for an elaborate purpose. She simply could have been created by the greater will just as humans were, according to Ymir, yet she would fall upon the earth in time as a comet.
One thing i was really hoping the DLC would clear up is whether or not the GW has true intentions, or is more of a neutral observer post creation, but since it didnt we really have to accept both options when considering theories/timelines. It's possible the greater will never guided metyr at all, and she was never abandoned. She was alone from the start, and there was no comfort in her creator to be found besides her delusions.
It’s possible, but if everyone in the game is convinced of it, it’s more likely that “something” akin to the Greater Will exists in a sense
@@Ziostorm I definitely think the Greater Will is a real entitiy, I just hope one day we'll be able to decipher its intentions somewhat lol
I go further and say its possible that the Greater Will doesn't even exist any more, or has changed to another state, its original form and lost glory that the Mother of Fingers is trying to preserve through an imitation/ simulacra would only be a passing state in a natural cycle, just an attempt to preserve what is fated to be temporary according to the natural order of things. Metyr is interesting because, speaking of its design, it receives signals from its microcosm at one end, in its "tail", and at the other end it has a wart-like eye that gazes vacantly into the beyond. We know that those astronomers who tried to look into the cosmos found darkness. In short, this deviation would be the foundation for Marika's own aspirations and mistakes in trying to create a perfect and eternal era. Both unhinged from the start.
regarding the darkness of the cosmos, now that we have gained context about our cosmic origin initiated from a great rupture revealed by Ymir it is possible to connect with the primeval current"Fires a tremendous comet in a torrent akin to the distant starry expanse, the place said to be the origin of glintstone.
When Azur glimpsed into the primeval current, he saw darkness. He was left both bewitched and fearful of the abyss." and "When Lusat glimpsed into the primeval current, he beheld the final moments of a great star cluster, and upon seeing it, he too was broken." The use of "broken" here is interesting, Metyr may have gone through the same process and the microcosm/ simulacrum was a solution she found. (The broken and discarded are fully willing to cling to fleeting simulacra, earning them some modicum of sympathy.)
Off topic, but I love how much the dlc feels like bloodborne and dark souls at times
Maybe Miyazaki will anounce a next dlc where we will get to explore the greater one's lands.
Fun(maybe?) fact: In Greek Metyr mean μήτηρ (μητέρα) which actually means mother.
Im always super invested in cosmic horror or eldrich beings like bloodborne so to see that Elden ring is kinda similar is pretty cool
Cosmic horror is fun to read but the concept is so dum. Like "hey, imagine something that you can't comprehend. Scary right?" 😂
@@Marika_ER The unknown is man's most ancient fear, so in a sense yes it's a little scerry lol
@@TheMartinbomber but we know what the unknown looks and feels like. Cosmic horror is one step passed that
Another fascinating video bro, well done 😮😊
My theory is that the Greater Will only planned for the Age of the Erdtree to only be a phase, and Marika went against this, attempting to obscure the land of shadows and cut off Metyr from the greater will. This worked for a time, but eventually the Greater Will moved on in one way or another. It was, however, somehow able to detect that Marika had shattered the Elden Ring and imprisoned her as a final F U
One of the interesting things that won't ever be answered is the unused scene at the end of the first dlc trailer where Miquella raises his hand and reveals that the veil that was cast upon Land of Shadow is gone. And the fact that during the second phase transition cutscene of the final boss, according to Miquella's skeleton, Miquella is actually holding a bow when he appears from the gate of divinity.
People keep obsessing over that cut scene.
Its not important, it is just Miquella in his golden order form divesting himself of his flesh. Its not a mystery, thats just him at the first cross.
@@L_Zant And seemingly only that cutscene, for whatever reason. Like 90% of the cutscenes we see for these games isn't in the actual game itself. Its nothing new to not see a scene from a trailer in the game.
@BaldorfBreakdowns yeah I'm wondering if just the massive amount of new people to fromsoft because of Elden Ring is bringing that question up
@@L_Zant Most likely.
@@L_Zant I mean, I played fromsoft games since Demon's soul, so I'd say I'm quite accustomed to fromsoft having tons of cut content including the cutscenes. But the said cutscene would've had massive impact since it shows Miquella actually removing the veil. In that scene, he's connecting the shadow land back to the mainland. So I'd assume that that's the reason why so many people are fixated on that scene.
It’s even more creepy to me that this creature may be the mother of two fingers and finger creepers, that still leaves out the three fingers.
I gotta hand it to you, this is a great video.
So the lands between is just the center point of the universe and everyone wants to pay a visit. The moon rocks that give you magic, the finger creatures, skeleton and bull meteors, etc.
please pronounce it meh-tier...
No
The DLC didn't really answer any questions, just created 100 new ones...
It answered what it wanted to answer. Where Marika came from and why she did what she did, a lot about the crucible. Even answered questions we didn't think to ask like the origins of the warrior jars. We were focused on entirely different things from what the devs were working on answering. But we did learn a lot about Miquella who was the biggest and most interesting mystery to a lot of people.
Such a good video Zio, I really like your theory about the fingerslayer blade.. that makes a whole lot of sense. I made a video about Ymir and Metyr as well but I wished I touched on Ymir’s grief.
One thing to note is that his robe says that it “conceals squirming beneath”, so I think that even before we met him he has transformed himself into a new mother of fingers, but he didn’t reveal it to us until we dispatch Metyr
I take that item description to infer that Metyr was growing resentful over remaining in a bow (i.e. waiting) for the Divine Will despite not receiving any new communication. The longer she waited, the more resentful she became.
Man, I really hate the sidestep move when fighting Metyr
edit: this is a stretch, but I think that the greater will abandoning Metyr is an allegory of how Miyazaki doesn't play his own games after it's released
I wish the DLC wasn’t so jarring, as in it starts with you just teleporting and it ends with the final boss just repeating the same shit again and again.
Yeah they dropped the ball with the ending
Lol bunch of roll spamming noobs. Git gud
Another thing Metyr's Staff tells us is that incantations and sorcery come from the same place: the beyond. After all, it's through Glintstone with this staff that you cast both schools of magic. Makes you wonder if the magic was split on purpose and why, if that were the case.
Elden ring story needs a sequel, can not be the end of this amazing game and story
I prefer not. The beauty of FS Games is leaving lore to imagination. In terms of gameplay and adventure we had more than we ever expected. And I like to see what they will come up next. Remember if they kept doing Dark Souls sequels over and over we would have never get Bloodborne and Sekiro.
@@CassiaoThey didn’t even give Sekiro a DLC and that was my favourite souls game. Elden Ring really needs a second DLC this is now bordering into wasted potential territory, Shadow of the Erdtree was not the strongest overall.
My theory is something like this: Metyr is sent to the lands between as a vassal of the greater will. Metyr creates and resides at the Gate of Divinty. Metyr bestows the Gloam Eyed Queen as her favored empyrean and the GEQ ascends to godhood.
Marika seduces Metyr and convices her to abandon the GEQ. Maliketh slays the GEQ. The nox (who are numen like Marika) assemble the fingerslayer blade from the GEQ's corpse.
Marika betrays and wounds Metyr with the fingerslayer blade, cutting her open and pulling out the elden ring from Metyr's chest (as seen in the DLC story trailer). The would is still visible on Metyr's body.
Marika ascends to godhood through the gate of divinty. Metyr hunts the nox for their and Marika's betrayal. Marika seals them undersground to protect the nox from Metyr's wrath. Metyr descends into madness.
I wonder if Metyr being cut off from the greater will has anything to do with Marika veiling the land of shadow. That this act disrupted Metyr's commuication. It could explain why Radagon was called back from Renalla to wed Marika. We know the veiling was during this time period because Rellanna is in the land of shadows in support of Marika's ideology via Mesmer. This betrayal would give the greater will a reason to want to replace Marika, and we know the offspring of one god creates Empyreans. Miquella and Malenia were both born with defects, which probably made Ranni the ideal choice for succession. Ranni then orchestrated the night of the black knives, and admist the chaos Marika shattered the Elden Ring.
I'm more inclined to believe the opening cinematic, that the greater will fully left after the shattering. Maybe Metyr was dicsconnected earlier though during veiling.
i love the prime music in the background of your videos
Since we know the Jars can create a meshed personality of sorts, I think it is possible that "Marika" is a successful saint of the shaman jars. That is the reason she became an Empyrean and was able to rise to godhood. Radagon can be a second "personality" created by the Jars who embodies order and honour.
Also there are mentions of Marika betraying the Hornsent. Maybe the Saint Marika was prayed to by the hornsent and she used her status as a saint to raise an army somehow and then turned on the Hornsent for revenge. The seduction could be the Finger Mother seducing Marika the Saint to betray the Hornsent in exchange for godhood and power.
Also its pretty much confirmed that Messmer is son of Radagon and MArika due to the red hair.
In addition to your theory of a lost signal, I see other 2 possibilities as to what could have transpired that led to the Greater Will's disappearence.
1. There was an event in the depth of the cosmos that needed it's full attention. There are outter gods out there, so it is not a stretch to assume that one of them attacked the Greater Will.
2. The Greater Will left after the very first Erdtree was destroyed. The seed Marika found seems to lay dormant in the Lands Between before she came, but if Matyr has indeed been abandoned by the time of her arrival, then it means that the tree Marika planted was not the first one. Maybe, the Greater Will was defeated by the Crucible or the Frenzied Flame and fled.
That matter aside, isn't it interesting that the two opposing factions, the Golden order and Carian royalty, are more closely interwined than it seemed before. I don't remember this questline very well but I believe there were hints that it were the stars that brought this dude to the Greater Will, or Matyr at least. Astrologists and Ranni aspire to walk the path of stars, but it was this path that led one of them to the mess that is the Greater Will. I feel like this is a big problem for future Ranni who unknowingly fell into the same pit Miquella has thrown himself into. Now that I think about it ... the Carian manor is filled with finger crawlers to the brim.
As for the sword. I think there is some merit to your theory. The betrayal of the Numen was likely them realizing how fucked up Marika's relationship with the cosmic creep has been and stabbing its proxy with a blade. And Marika's response was banishing the former and sealing the latter. Let's be grateful she didn't just go genocide mode against them as she normally doest it seems. Aaaand, that explains why Ranni was certain that the blade we brought her would help againt the Two Fingers. The Numen made it, so it's definitely good.
Metyr’s boss arena seems like it could be underneath the Elden Beast’s too me
Greeting! I have two questions:
Where did the three fingers come from?
Why did Marika, whose entire village was killed, continue to stuff the dead into jars with the Golden Order? Btw, great job!
Marika did seal the Mother of fingers because she didn't want to be controllode by the greater will. So when the trailer talk about a betrayal it's a double betrayal: toward the serpent god ant toward the greater will.
A wise Olag Hai from Shadow of War once said; "Bright Lord, Dark Lord, same thing really!"
Ymir may be intellectual and insightful, but he is all too the same as everyone else. Power. He wanted power. How about NO new mother? Let the lands between be free of divine influence.
OMGodwyn. I realized it . The things in the arena. Are what plants the "seed" for the mother to kake bab
Godwyn being put at the root of something such as the erdtree, reminded me of this boss. Like he was morphing into the trees ambassador in a way; psychically.
Metyr really reminds me of the Masked Beast Yo-Gi-Oh card. Dope.
No wonder she sealed it away in the land of shadow. Stuff of nightmares.
I honestly don't think she was inentionally sealed away, I think Metyr was straight up forgotten about by marika and co.
Lore implication no one has talked about yet to my knowledge, i made this connection myself the other day. The cathedral where you meet Ymir, where metyr is located under, is named Cathedral of Manus Metyr. Now without knowing Metyr is mother of fingers, and is a child of the greater will, the name means nothing until that revelation. One thing to note, manus is Latin for hand. In the base game, on the moonlight plateau, the cathedral where Ranni goes under ground to slay her fingers, is called Cathedral of Manus Celes. Using the same logic, I feel that implies there's an additional 'mother of fingers' like being named Celes, another child of the greater will, maybe the father of the fingers. I'd say the fingers ranni slayed, but they don't have the same appearance as metyr, but I suppose that doesn't mean anything or fromsoft didn't want to give a boss design from the dlc away that early.
Celes was probably the name of her 2 fingers
Also, Ymir has Jolan’s possible sister Anna invade you when you go down in the third ruins. You find her body in the Rabbath’s Rise but it’s a puppet.
There’s definitely a theme of Carian’s and using puppetry throughout Elden Ring with Selivus/Pidia and now Ymir. Fingers pull the strings of all puppets. Which, I’m sure also ties into the Fingers and Carians.
For me, confirmation that Melina was "somebody" was all I wanted
Abandonment in the case of the greater will is not a choice but a consequence of the shattering. Enia makes it clear that it wants a choice
Theory: Metyrs Arena resides under the Elden Beast’s arena, representing the abandonment and replacement of Metyr by the Greater Will. The straw-like holes protruding from the ceiling of Metyr’s arena are the roots of the trees in the Elden Beast’s, and the ceiling itself looks like the underside of water. Also the arena is covered in water
I thought at first, maybe Greater Will is a finger? Nay, not merely finger - the fingest!
One good bit of lore to include here would be the puppet found in the top of Rabbaths Rise, which will give further credulity to your suspicions about Count Ymirs motivations and trickery.
While I unfortunately didn't learn anything new from this video, this was still a pretty good recap, useful to those who payed less attention to the dialog and item descriptions.
Starting to think that the Greater Will is dead and that information just hasn’t reached anyone yet because of the vast distance between the Lands Between and it.
So even Metyr is thinking it’s still alive but it could have died ages ago without anyone knowing
I think the greater will is Michael Zaki and this story concerning the silencing or abandonment of the Greater will is an allegory to Michael zaki explaining that after the DLC he will not produce anymore Elden Ring content